JUSTICE LEAGUE Movie; A Way WB/DC' Mess Could Actually Work

JUSTICE LEAGUE Movie;  A Way WB/DC' Mess Could Actually Work

WB will release a Justice League movie without solo movies to introduce their characters can that actually be succesful?

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By kenjim152 - 1/22/2013
There has been a lot of talking about the possible Justice League movie that would hit theaters in 2015; On this site we have read articles about possible casting and even possible story lines that could be used.

The idea of bringing the Justice League to the big screen is great since we could finally see a film in which at least we could have Supes and Bats working together, but beyond the project itself there is a bigger task and it is to have Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Flash and Wonder Woman work on a crossover film without having solo movies to be introduced. According to WB/DC the Justice League movie will be used to introduce the team to the audience and then it would push the production of the characters solo movies. Even though I believe characters like Wonder Woman or Aquaman do not really need an introduction to the general audience, I have been told on this site several times that the general audice lacks of knowledge of such mainstream heroes. Therefore I have been thinking about a way that WB/DC could actually have this weird idea of getting rid of the solo movies and going straight to a Justice League film, and I got to the conclusion that since this is a comic book movie (and not just any comic book movie, come on this is the justice league!!!) it has to be treated as a comic book, and if there is something comic books have taught me is that there cannot be any action without a reaction or CONSEQUENCES!!

Yes comic books are all about consequences, and if there is something any comic book movie has lacked of is consequences, we have all these great characters with great powers which have defeated greater threats, but besides X3 and Blade 3 I do not see a big impact on any comic book movie universe so far; for example if Nolan’s Batman was so focused on realism, why hasn´t the police chased him directly (before Gordon taking over of course) even when Commissioner Loeb said he would do so?, Why has there been 3 Iron Man movies and 1 Avengers movie to have a terrorist attack Tony Stark directly specially when he was messing up with some guerilla leaders in Iron Man 1?,Why nobody mentioned anything about a giant robot destroying everything somewhere in New Mexico?, (and I could go on, but these questions are enough) so as you can see we have had all these really great CBMs, but there has not been a real impact on their universes and here is the area where WB/DC could exploit the Justice League film.
I am not going to give you a storyline, but I am going to give you some things that could be used on the JL movie that could actually give us great solo sequels.


1 There is no way Darkseid should be used as the main foe.




Eventhough everybody wants Darkseid to be the main villain, I do not think that is a smart move. Darkseid is one of the biggest threats of the DC universe, the guy is actually a god and using him in the first film would be a waste. Now that does not mean He should not be addressed somehow. Darkseid is surrounded by great characters, Kalibak and the furies are more than a challenge that could be potentially used on a Justice League film, actually no matter what villain is chosen for the movie at the end that villain has to lead the team to know there is a big threat and that he is Darkseid and that Darkseid has a big interest in earth.




Now not all alien races have to be depicted as conquerors or invaders, sometimes there are bigger goals not just destruction, so why would Darkseid would send his emissaries to earth?? Well there are actually a lot that have already been used. Darkseid was somehow in love with Wonder Woman because she is the only worth female he would pay attention to, so why not sending Kalibak and the Furies to kidnap Diana??? And believe it or not the amazons are ready to defend themselves so they have this great battle that takes everything out of Themyscira. This gives us some great points:
A) The world gets to know that Wonder Woman and the amazons exist.
B) Superman, Batman and Green Lantern (only those 3 because those are the only ones that have been established so far) have a real reason to come together and fight along Diana eventhough they have not actually met her before or each other whatsoever.
C) Wonder Woman has a real reason to get to know the world of men.
So as you can see everything is around Darkseid, but we do not need Darkseid to be around.





2 Diana’s Lasso of Truth has to be broken.



At the beginning I was talking about consequences right? So after the final fight there have to be so big consequences that would lead us to our long waited solo movies. Wonder Woman’s universe is so big and so unique that the only way to explain it on the big screen is by exploring it, and the only reason Diana would explore her own universe instead of exploring the world of men is by having her need something of her home universe. So what about breaking the Lasso of Truth so the only way to repair it is by asking I do not know what god or facing I do not know what gorgon (sorry I am not a WW expert); my point is: instead of getting Wonder Woman on the world of men we immediately (after the JL movie) send her back to her own universe. Before you start telling me that the Lasso of Truth cannot be broken, well let me tell you it was broken by Rama Khan on JLA 62 march 2002 ( I am giving you all the details before someone says I am coming up with this or that I need to be schooled :D).
And I would send WW back because the only way I see that character work on a movie is by challenging creatures from her own mythology.

3 Green Lantern goes back to OA to try to find out more about Darkseid.




This is somehow the easiest after JL sequel that we could have. Green Lantern is a space cop, an alien police officer, so why didn’t the guardians let him know about Darkseid?
Well Green Lantern decides he has to go and ask them, but before they can actually give him an answer about him he has to finish his training so he can be ready for such a big enemy, and they have Sinestro give him some field practice. Then we have Sinestro and Hal Jordan work together and I guess everybody on this site knows how that ends.

4 Batman starts OMAC project.




After Batman teamed up with all those powerful heroes he decides he needs to oversee them because they are too dangerous and he starts working on the OMAC project that eventually gets out of control and he has to stop it.


5 Superman knows there are more than Kryptonians out there.




Superman’s sequel (I guess) will be the hardest to set up, since we cannot use Darkseid he would have to face somebody else. The main problem here is that Zack Snyder is taking Supes to his limits and I do not think after Man of Steel there can be a big foe to deal with down on earth. I would take Superman to outer space so He can actually deal with Brainiac or Mongul.






I am not sure how we could bring Aquaman and Flash to the equation, but I guess there has to be a way to do it right. I am not an expert on those characters, but what I have read of the new 52 universe is great and has a big potential. I guess we can all get some ideas on the posts section.




I also believe that in all their solo movies they all have to find out that Darkseid is a big threat and they all come back to look for each other to tell them about what they have found out about him, but they all discover somebody used Batman’s OMAC project and stole the information he had gathered about them, there you have your sequel.
My point is that WB/DC can have all their cinematic universe based on big consecuences not only by having some news anchormen mentioning a group of heroes battling together, but to have the Justice League members face a real comic book treatment in which everything that happens would lead us to another adventure.
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TonyChu - 1/22/2013, 12:01 PM
Please stop saying Darkseid can't be the villain because it can work. The thing that has to happen is the Justice Leauge thwarts his plans but are not able to fully defeat him, similar to the new 52 JL. Just read that arc and you can tell it can work. I mean look at the Avengers they were able to defeat a god and stop an entire alien armada.
kenjim152 - 1/22/2013, 12:33 PM
Darkseid is a great villain, the problem is that if he is chosen to be villain, who would be used for a possible sequel? Whats about escalation? Are you willing to make the same mistakes George Lucas (darth maul ep1) and Nolan (the Dark knight rises) made? RAs, VAndid Savage, BRainiac they all are deadly, but with Darkseid we are talking about a guy whose motivations and goals get to a cosmic level!!! The guy is not about bringing balance to wild life on earth, or world domination; his main and unique goal is the anti-life equation; once you beat him what else could you consider a challenge? We are talking about the guy who killed Batman (or had him time travel for a while If u want), as I said u need to mention him as a future threat, but not use him as the main villain first, using him first would like having to defeat Akuma as the first character on a Street FIghter game :)
kenjim152 - 1/22/2013, 2:11 PM
@sotojuiceman Akuma's first appearance was in Súper Street Fighter 2 thats 4 gamea after SF2 and he was a hidden character and a hidden boss, to have a chance to face Akuma you have to meet certain requirements and that is my point what if u had to face Akuma as a regular character and then ur hidden character or boss were bison or Vega or balrog? That would not make any sense u save the best foes for the end not to start with. :)
FrenzyFreak - 1/22/2013, 2:22 PM
Regarding the point you made about consequences in other cbm's, its simply not true. The whole marvel universe knows about the attacks that occurred in the solo films. However, the whole point of the MCU is that there is a massive and huge meta human population and superheroism and superterrorism comes to become a common occurrence.
ravennpilot - 1/22/2013, 2:26 PM
There s no reason that they couldn't do a trilogy type of thing like Lord of the Rings. That way you could start with one of the most powerful bad guys and have them battle him or 2 or more movies. This would give you time love the characters or hate them, or gain something more then one side is bad one is good.
kenjim152 - 1/22/2013, 2:31 PM
@avengers52 if that is so true how can Thor and Loky be walking at a park sorrounded by people after the NY atack and no one even aproaches to even ask for an autograph or a pic? As I said there is a big well written sequence in the MCU but there are not big consequences to the big events they have had, it seems to me they will start working that out with Iron Man 3 :)
kenjim152 - 1/22/2013, 2:35 PM
@ravenpilot exactly u got my point un TLOTR Trilogy the big foe is Sauron, but he is depicted as abig threat, they never battle him, but at the beggining of the film like in ancient times and then he is used as a legend or a terrifying foe who has to be prevented from battling with. All the movies go around him but they fight his army, his allies. That is the way I think they should go with Darkseid.
KingNTheKong - 1/22/2013, 4:11 PM
Here's how they do it. Follow the first story arc of the Justice League New 52 books. It introduced them all perfectly. They just have to add a little more to the beginning and it will be a fleshed out movie. Itliterally was done like how the DCU was done. It came out before any of the solo comics. Same thin with the movie.
aresww3 - 1/22/2013, 8:21 PM
Heres how you do it, don´t make the movie, do solo movies instead.
Huguex - 1/23/2013, 5:23 AM
I agree almost on everything in this post. Dude, I'm 100% percent sure that Darkseid shouldn't be the main villain. He is a big threath... something powerfull in the back... a growing shadow that the heroes must fight a the end of the last movie.

Your ideas for the solo movies are very good too. Diana's journey into the greek mithology sounds nice, but it has to be depicted as a classic tale (no near the shiny visuals of Asgard in the last Thor, sorry folks). GL going back to OA, even Superman to space (I don't think that will be the case, though).

I don't think that the whole Batman creating Omac can, by itself, fill a complete movie. I'd prefer if that's a big revelation, the way it's done en the classic Tower of Babel story arc.

The only thing I really don't like it's your selection on villains for the movie :p. The furies? Kalibak... I think we can do better. And, please, no ALIEN INVASIONS!
HulkinOut - 1/23/2013, 6:24 AM
^^^No don't do solo films. The gen public will associate JL as a avengers knock off even more by doing that. JL has do go about it in a way that is totally different trim marvel. Also the gen public may not reconize the other characters, but they will still flock to go see batman and superman in the same movie together. Having questions bout these characters by the end of the movie isn't a bad thing either. It will only entice the audience to learn more about the characte, Wichita would then push for solo movies.
aresww3 - 1/23/2013, 8:12 AM
@hulkinout - so you think the general movie audience are going to appreciate DC´s innovativeness in setting up a JL movie more if its a rushed piece of shit, than if they copy Marvel and treat the project with the same level of respect as their competitors? Wow, I can´t believe a comic book fan would rather a crap movie that they can come on the web and bitch and moan about after it comes out.

See this is the thing, everyone who wants DC to rush this thing are the same people who are going to jump on the bandwagon calling JL the worst comic book movie since Batman and Robin when it comes out and its a load of shit.

I was actually considering that maybe DC could do a JL movie, without solos, but only if it isn´t an origin movie for the JL team. They should base it off a graphic novel like Kingdom Come, maybe done in two parts and then it could work. Once they´ve done that they could do solo movies in-between when there´s a demand to see all these characters in solo movies. But if they´re thinking about doing it the way the article says, man is it going to be the biggest piece of "tear my harir off my frickin noggin and storm out of the cinema super pissed" piece of shit to ever hit the screens.

@grayfox - I think you´re right, I think they wanna see how Superman does first, then you´ll see that they will start a campaign for solo movies. One cause from the profit they can then think about that. Also with the Man Of Steel out they can then build a cohesive single universe. I very much doubt JL is really coming out in 2015, unless the studio execs really have a very special script, that is really awesome (which I doubt) or (more likely) the color green from The Avengers has completely made them lose their tiny little minds. But somehow, I doubt even WB/DC can be that stupid; in all likely hood there are projects going on behind the scenes to bring us a WW movie and a Flash movie, but they´re unsure because of the massive flop that Green lantern was, and, Superman Returns, and they want to see if it is the actual characters at fault or if rather it was simple fact the movies were awful. Once Man Of Steel blows up the box office, they´ll realize all along it wasn´t the characters it was the quality of the films written about them. I´m pretty sure thats what WB are holding out for.
kenjim152 - 1/23/2013, 1:24 PM
@jokerfanhahaha, are u sure we are talking about the same Snyder and the same Cavill u may want to read this which has been on line for a while though:

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/zack-snyder-justice-league-should-aknowledge-man-of-steel_3389801
DrDoom - 1/24/2013, 9:45 AM
JokerFan insinuating that Batman Returns is a good movie.
DrDoom - 1/25/2013, 12:54 PM
@JokerFan

Why do people always get so mad at me? I never said anything. I merely posted a gif.
kenjim152 - 1/25/2013, 5:14 PM
Batman Returns is an ok movie and a lot better than lets say Ghost rider or Batman and robín
HulkinOut - 1/25/2013, 9:38 PM
@aresww3 you got the argument twisted bro. No one said anything about an rushed JL film, thats your assumption. Ive stated plenty of times on this site that i dont even think the film will even come out 2015. all im saying is that JL should come before solo films. If Dc has to copy marvels format then how are they gonna come up with the originality and creativity to make a JL film.
kenjim152 - 1/25/2013, 10:16 PM
@Hulkinout u e right about that, having question in a JL movie which could only be answered in the solo films aint a bad idea it can actually create more interest aming the audience.
kenjim152 - 1/25/2013, 10:19 PM
@Huguex, u r right man, I would only use the furies or Kalibak if DArkseid is to be the villain o the movie, otherwise I would really and i mean really would like to c Amazo or VAndid Savage :) and thanx dude is Good yo know someone likes ur ideas on this site :)

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