Capt. America being used as Liberal Propaganda tool

Left-minded staffers at Marvel can't resist the urge to use new issue of Captain America to promote anti-Middle America sentiment.
Ed Brubaker, writer for Marvel working on "Captain America" - Two Americas has denied his involvement in a political jab that was written into the comic book to be released soon. While that small aspect of the insult will be removed before the issue hits stores, the message itself is intact and waiting to be bought and internalized by readers everywhere.

I'm going to have to go on a bit of a rant here because, while I know that both political parties in this country are equally petty and capable of slander and libel, the left has media and entertainment in their back pocket. What does that mean for us? It means we get bombarded w/ anti-military, anti-middle America, anti-anything traditional propaganda on a daily basis even though it reflects the views of less than half of the U.S. population. It's called a bully pulpit and anyone w/ real conviction for their beliefs and a spine doesn't give their opinion from behind a camera or microphone or on the pages of a comic book... they do it face to face with their opponents and challenge them to a real debate.

While this is hardly new at Marvel (we had BHO featured in an edition of Spider-Man after he was elected), picking the Marvel Superhero who was SPECIFICALLY created to embody American Exceptionalism as a tool to criticize those members of our population who still believe in American Exceptionalism is in very poor taste. What's more, the fact that the perpetrators didn't even stop to think about that bit of hypocrisy, shows how out of touch they really are with the American public.



And so it goes... "In issue No. 602 of Captain America, "Two Americas, Part One," the title hero and The Falcon, a black superhero from New York City, stumble upon a protest rally in Boise, Idaho. They see scores of protesters carrying signs that say "Stop the Socialists!" and "Tea Bag The Libs Before They Tea Bag YOU!"

Captain America says the protest appears to be an "anti-tax thing," and Falcon jokes that he likely would not be welcomed into the crowd of "angry white folks." (imagine if Capt. America had said something similar at say... an ACLU rally).

There's obviously more to the article beyond what I've already written that can be viewed at the source link but I'm going to go ahead and drop it now and see what you guys/gals think.
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238 Comments

So which part are you saying is the direct attack on Republicans?

And this is the first time im first to comment!
superman7 - 2/10/2010, 9:54 AM
It just seems topical to me. And the Falcon was making joke in an instance where he probably felt a bit uncomfortable. I don't see the problem. Oh, Faux News as the source? No thanks.
TheQuestion - 2/10/2010, 10:00 AM
It was probably the Falcon's response to Cap's comment. It does stereoype conservatives as being racist. there is no room for this junk in the comic, especially Captain America, who has embodied traditional American values, not current liberal viewpoints. It's a sad day for Cap.
padrejeff - 2/10/2010, 10:00 AM
The news and entertainment media have been in back pocket of Left wing Liberal America for as long as I can remember, but I think Marvel has usually been very tactful in remaining neutral. They did feature Obama in ASM simply because he won the election, which, to me, doesn't show favoritism. Captain America wouldn't say something like that. Falcon would though, just cause that's in his character. Although I applaud Fox News for being the only news network that's not sucking Obama's c*ck 24/7, Fox News does have a tendency to be a little oversensitive and take things like this comic book's reference and blow it out of proportion.
jusme6 - 2/10/2010, 10:01 AM
it's the depiction of an angry mob of white protesters and a superhero of "African American descent" implying that he would not be safe in that crowd, coupled with the need to pencil in signs that clarify that these protesters are Tea Partiers
MrJosh - 2/10/2010, 10:01 AM
You are on target, my friend. It is this same media that immediately crucifies people for being pro one thing yet equivocating that it is anti- another. Funny that TEA parties are being lambasted for exercising their right to protest a government that has now more than triple in spending, etc. Funny how the PC crowd immediately claims that TEA parties are racist. How? They are protesting government growth, taxation, and spending. It has nothing to do with race, religion, or creed.
I know I'm almost soap boxing, but expect more from Marvel. They are now owned by Disney. Look to ABC news and ESPN's non-sports reporting to see what Disney thinks we should think.
When they bought Marvel, I was sickened. I firmly believe that Marvel has hit a plateau. Disney has the money but not the vision to lift Marvel beyond. They bought the Muppets due to competitive reasoning, and we barely see them anymore. What does the future hold? Not sure, ask the mouse.
marvelguy - 2/10/2010, 10:01 AM
I'm not wanting to make a mountain out of this ant hill but if you take this with all the innuendo that can be found in movies, tv, music, public service announcements, every interview with celebrities... it is getting old...
MrJosh - 2/10/2010, 10:03 AM
more so than anything it is clear what the writer's leaning is, it is clear who he wants to depict and how he wants to depict them and, as I stated in my rant above, he is using the superhero that Marvel created to embody American Exceptionalism to support a movement in this country that runs counter to everything Capt. America is meant to represent
MrJosh - 2/10/2010, 10:04 AM
Yeah, the "angry white folks" line is a bit much. Low blow Bru, you really disappoint me with that man.

People that live in Middle America don't make as much as people in major cities. The tax revolt is a result of poor government spending and a rising cost of living on people whose wages have pretty much hit a state of stagnancy while their taxes are going to get a hike to cover the crazy spending and inflation, all the while a rapidly rising cost of living will eat away at their daily income. People are scared. It takes a lot to get the average non college aged Middle American to pick up a banner and take to the streets to criticize the government.

Look, I'm an independent and I can see why people pick up signs and go a’ protesting lately. But to ham fistedly call people racist in such an underhanded fashion is off the mark and to be honest stupid. Shame on you Bru.

These are weird times, and people are unsure about their jobs, their futures, war, the economy, you name it. Captain America of all titles could be conciliatory or uniting force right now, to use it to make derisive jabs from one perspective or another just cheapens the character, the book, and what it should stand for. Bad move guys.

NERO - 2/10/2010, 10:05 AM
After reading that article from Fox News, it actually makes the depiction of the Right more spot on. That wasn't an article. It was another hypersensitive retort mean to demonize liberals. That's what I think is getting old.
TheQuestion - 2/10/2010, 10:07 AM
The Question @ while no news station is unbiased and objective in their news coverage Fox News has consistently been ranked the most honest and reliable by both republicans and democrats so while you may disagree and even hate their message, statistically speaking, you are dead wrong when you refer to it as Faux news
MrJosh - 2/10/2010, 10:07 AM
I don't think so. Anyone that thinks that Fox News is anything other than an extension of the Right Wing is delusional or uneducated. While MSNBC may be Left leaning, they typically avoid the kind of mindless, misleading filth that is spewed from Fox. Either way, Captain America didn't even say anything noteworthy in the comic. This is really another example of making a mountain out of a molehill.
TheQuestion - 2/10/2010, 10:15 AM
@Question, liberals aren't demons. But saying a guy protesting taxes is a racist, a jab both off topic and demeaning as it implies just as unfair a stereotype as any other, is not exactly a shining example of liberal warmness towards a conservative idea either.

The put down is there in print, undeniably so.

The question is whether a book like Cap should be used to be derisive or to help us all unite. I don't think Cap should be used by either viewpoint. Because he represents what is best in America, and this constant Democrat/Republican Liberal/Conservative jabbing and backstabbing is what is worst in us. It is dismissive of ideals, and beliefs. While we can disagree on things to be dismissive and disrepectful is uncalled for and out of place in this context.

NERO - 2/10/2010, 10:20 AM
you complain about the liberal media?

MrJosh
2/10/2010
foxnews.com

LOL
fanboiii - 2/10/2010, 10:21 AM
fanboiii@ did you read the article or just stop when you read it was from Fox News? I guess you don't believe ACORN employees got caught on tape explaining how to open a brothel, whore out underage girls AND claim it all as tax exemptions, because CNN and NBC didn't cover it... aren't ya! How's that tunnel vision treatin ya?
MrJosh - 2/10/2010, 10:27 AM
And as for the media: Don't trust any news story unless you fact check it yourself. That goes for Fox, MSNBC, CNN, all of them. Its not journalism anymore its sensationalism, quotes are almost always used out of context, agendas are pushed, pretty sick what has become of the current state of the news all around really.
NERO - 2/10/2010, 10:28 AM
Don't get me wrong, I agree that a Cap book shouldn't be used in such ways. But I just don't think it's as serious as people are making it out to be. Whether it's right are not, Marvel isn't making this stuff up. The Tea Party movement is quite radical, and it even upsets Republican friends of mine. Taxes are hardly ever the real source of the anger coming from Tea Parties. Not a single tax has been raised since Obama took office. In fact, they've been lowered. Also, many of these Tea Party events have roots and proponents based in racist and subversive radical groups. It may not be all of them, but a good amount.

I think Captain America books should stay away from topics like this, just to avoid controversy. But I don't think what was displayed in this instance isn't misleading, or propaganda, it is what it is. I think people only take offense due to the medium it's portrayed in.
TheQuestion - 2/10/2010, 10:28 AM
@Nerosday: That's why I avoid nearly all news stations, even local news for the most part. I need information, not positions.
TheQuestion - 2/10/2010, 10:30 AM
when a real life captain america steps up and voices his opinion, i'll think it over. until then i'll accept the fact he is a made up character in a comic book and is only voiced by his writers.
A7 - 2/10/2010, 10:36 AM
Captain America has been around for DECADES and NOW people are trying to politicize him? What Is WRONG WITH YOU?! HE'S A SYMBOL!
Wesley Colvin - 2/10/2010, 10:40 AM
Wow you actually took news from FOX NEWS.. i mean really??!?!?! this story is fail. I knew republi[foo foo]s would start complaining about this movie LOL. I think its the republicans who will start using captain america for political reasons and to complain and whine that its unamerican.
z3ro - 2/10/2010, 10:42 AM
Alright... so the main problem is that Falcon said he wouldn't be comfortable in an angry mob of white conservatives...

Let me ask these questions:

1. How many people reading this are white?

2. Now how many (republican) white people would willingly hop into an angry African mob of liberals?

(And that's not meant to be racist at all. I think the joke was kind of funny. But there's no sense in hiding the fact that racial tension still exists. And most African Americans are generally more Liberal. Stop being so touchy. And I know that every news group, other than Fox news tends to lean liberal, but Fox is propaganda.)


@ nerosday: Thank you

superman7 - 2/10/2010, 10:42 AM
Just have to say as an independent who watches them both using the name "fixed news" is often appropriate, but saying MSNBC is a little left leaning is like saying Goebbels was just a little Nazi, or Melted peanut butter is a little sticky...mmmmm peanut butter.
Jimll565 - 2/10/2010, 10:46 AM
superman7@ you're too focused on the Falcon bit and we're discussing the big picture. Ask yourself 2 things right now...

regardless of how bold or blatant the insult, are these cells within the pages of the comicbook being used to paint a negative picture of Tea Party supporters? Yes or No? YES

Is Capt. America the most appropriate medium for the attack given what he is supposed to be a symbol of? Yes or No? NO
MrJosh - 2/10/2010, 10:46 AM
Couldn't it just be that particular mob that Falcon was weary of? Why does everything have to come down to blanket thinking? Are you suggesting there are no such things as angry mobs of racist republicans or something? This type of reactionary bullshit amazes me. Why does everything have to come down to "Oooh, they said this about us, [frick] them, we know whats really going on" and vice versa. Just live your [frick]ing life! Anyone that is 100% liberal about everything or 100% conservative about everything is a [frick]ing android. Think for yourself, and if you see a comic with an angry mob, read it and turn the page.
RorMachine - 2/10/2010, 10:47 AM
P.S. I made main on my second article!
MrJosh - 2/10/2010, 10:47 AM
great article. But is anyone surprised by this? Marvel is full of liberals. It has been for a very long time.
SixSixteen - 2/10/2010, 10:49 AM
liberal, conservative - boobs are boobs.
A7 - 2/10/2010, 10:52 AM
Bloody yanks! lol geeze I wish Australian politics were this exciting, but in all seriousness this is building a mountain out of an echidna hole ( thought I'd throw in an Aussie reference :P). The real problem here is that American voters are too concerned with which party you support, our parties are essentially the same and our biggest problem is which nerd to vote for. Plus there's nothing wrong with a bit of socialism, my city is consistently voted 'the mist livable in the world' and that's thanks to socialist policies put in place after WWII during the rebuilding phase.

Also even I know that FOX is evil and should never be listened too lol

oh and good article, well written!
Boekelaar - 2/10/2010, 10:52 AM
Wisdom, A7, wisdom.
TheQuestion - 2/10/2010, 10:56 AM
Why they jumpin' on Teabag? He's a cool guy.
Betty - 2/10/2010, 10:57 AM
I don't think you can paint a positive view of them, any more than you can acorn.
And secondly how is the Tea Party a symbol of American exceptional-ism? They're a very narrow minded, radical group that doesn't represent the views of the US as a whole. They are hyper conservative where the majority of America is independent. And being independent most people are confused as to why the Tea Party seems to be all riled up, so isn't it natural that Captain America would be the same? He's basically saying he has no idea what they're going on about, and that is the opinion of most of the US.

And the falcon's comment is justified, I mean flip it around, wouldn't you be a little uncomfortable faced by a shouting mob of African Americans, or Muslims?
thwhtGuardian - 2/10/2010, 10:57 AM
Don't like it, don't buy the comic book. Or even better, publish your own comic book with right-wing propaganda.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 10:58 AM
Thats right folks... white racist republicans dont exist... its all a lie.. Ive never seen republicans at thier tea party rallies holding signs that said Obama is a terrorist or an arab. or people wearing shirts of obama as a monkey or a gorilla. thats right I did not see on tv tea party people being one bit racist.. MrJosh you live in lala land my friend. your party is blatantly racist all around. tea party chant "hes not american hes a [racial slur] an alien!"
z3ro - 2/10/2010, 10:58 AM
Writers are going to write their beliefs into stories. It's the way it goes and it happens all the time.

It just so happens that I personally have a very different view of the so called "Teabag Movement". I have it on very good advisement that it really is just ordinary folks and it's entirely benign.

Of course the state controlled media would have us believe otherwise..
SixSixteen - 2/10/2010, 10:58 AM
once again it's not a matter of making a mountain out of an ant hill. It is a matter of placing ant hills in every single piece of media entertainment that America's youth processes today. I'm commenting on the trend as a whole and using Capt. America as the catalyst that makes me say "Whoaaaa Nelly! this is going a little too far" I don't like the fact that my little sister tells me the war in Iraq is bad... not because it is morally wrong, not because it is influenced by greedy corp. types who want access to their oil fields... but because Angelina Jolie and the Dixie Chicks told her so.
MrJosh - 2/10/2010, 10:59 AM
@betty I think it's because teabag is English, bloody poms! :P
Boekelaar - 2/10/2010, 10:59 AM
If you guys are just now noticing the undertones of Captain America, and the Marvel Universe for that matter, you must not be paying attention. It been pretty clear what the Death and Rebirth of Captain American has been about. I will let you in a something, white supremacists are using tea party gathering to recruit new members and I bet this issue will be shown during this arc of Captain America. And the Captain from the 50's who became a crazy racist, its not an accident he is involved in this story.

By the way; if you are offended you are probably part of the problem.
mpku - 2/10/2010, 11:00 AM
and dont bring up acorn. because many republicans were part of acorn. John Mccain was a big fan of acorn as a matter of fact they even honored him and he was there. look it up. you speak as if acorn is all liberal run.
z3ro - 2/10/2010, 11:00 AM


Priest-- I know right?
Betty - 2/10/2010, 11:01 AM
Question, you are right on. The Tea Party movement is based partly on real concerns but largely on unsubstantiated rumors and outright lies. These folks have not had their taxes raised but they are relentlessly told otherwise. And while I don't believe racism is the primary source of all the anger, I think it would be naive to think that it plays no role at all. The Socialism paranoia is bizarre. They don't want socialized health care but ask them if they want to eliminate Medicare (a socialized program) and they will say "absolutely not". There's no logic but the anger persists because it is fueled by self appointed "patriots" who want Obama to fail.

Should a comic book address such issues? I don't see why not. And Falcon's comment was right. What's the point in pretending that racial issues do not exist? How will that ever help solve the problem?
m2prod - 2/10/2010, 11:01 AM
They might be just normal people Darth, I agree, but you have to admit their idealolgy is hyper conservative. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I am saying that given that Cap should be neutral his confusion about what they are carrying on about is justified.
thwhtGuardian - 2/10/2010, 11:03 AM
Where's Captain Canuck when you need him? LOL :P
Shaman - 2/10/2010, 11:08 AM
@ Guardian: Acorn breaks the law in several different ways. They are a poilitical activism group that routinely engages in criminal activities.
Those are two entirely different things.


Teabag people are just people standing up for their beleiefs. What does hyper conservative mean?? Nazi? Racist? Far Right? lol

Just look at all these Obama admin. foisted conspiracy theories! The prpoganda machine has done it's work.

@ mpku: Get help, kid. I am not offended, but that is incredibly stupid and it's nothing but lame paranoia
SixSixteen - 2/10/2010, 11:08 AM
@shaman yes where is Jensen Ackles when you need him :P
Boekelaar - 2/10/2010, 11:09 AM
Guardian, why should Captain America be neutral? If the Marvel editors approve the story, it's Marvel's right to write about anything they want. They are not forcing anyone to buy the comic book.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 11:10 AM
@ Mr. Josh:
I see what you're saying. I really do. You feel annoyed that something you love (comic genre) is attacking your belief system. If im wrong let me know that i've misinterpreted your message and i'll apologize for my stupidity.

I just don't see the incredibly insulting nature of the panel. To me you're looking into it too much. Fox has a tendency to complicate to the ridiculous. Im not one of those liberals who simply watches MSNBC and relies on that as my source of media. They are completely bias as well. And I do not want to talk about Fox News.

If i was black I wouldn't hop into an angry mob of conservative white people, just as a conservative white guy wouldn't hop into an angry mob of liberal black people.
Angry mobs are dangerous. One extremist can turn an entire mob against one person pretty easily. Thats just human nature. To me its just being blown out of proportion.
superman7 - 2/10/2010, 11:11 AM
I take hyper conservative to mean far right, and you're right they haven't broken any laws, but I don't see how they represent the American ideal any more than ACORN. People who operate at the far ends of either side of the spectrum are equally off base in my opinion.
And priest his comment is neutral, he's not saying death to the tea party and shown punching out the leader, he's just expressing what most Americans fell...whata re they yelling about? That's neutral.
thwhtGuardian - 2/10/2010, 11:11 AM
go to comicbookresources.com where there is a segment by marvel editor in chief joe quesada who explains this entire article that is raging and sparking debates...words straight from the mouth of marvel!
Anil Rickly - 2/10/2010, 11:11 AM
Sorry "DarthMulder", teabaggers who use racist symbols and words to protest our president are standing up for what belief? I know you want to excuse their actions, you sympathize with them.
mpku - 2/10/2010, 11:12 AM
Darth is just trying to bring some objectivity to the conversation mpku, chill out, he's a level headed dude.
thwhtGuardian - 2/10/2010, 11:14 AM
Sorry "DarthMulder", teabaggers who use racist symbols and words to protest our president are standing up for what belief? I know you want to excuse their actions, you sympathize with them.
mpku - 2/10/2010, 11:15 AM
Sorry "DarthMulder", teabaggers who use racist symbols and words to protest our president are standing up for what belief? I know you want to excuse their actions, you sympathize with them.
mpku - 2/10/2010, 11:17 AM







Any Questions?
Priest - 2/10/2010, 11:18 AM
@ Priest:

BC thats the Characters character. He is meant to stand for America as a whole.
superman7 - 2/10/2010, 11:20 AM
But he is still a character owned by Marvel. They can do whatever they want with him.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 11:21 AM
Boek- HA!!!
Shaman - 2/10/2010, 11:21 AM
thwhtGuardian, apperantly I offended you by asking a question of, who I presume is, your internet friend? I made a bold statement of those who are offended. He took that statement directly. Is that level headed, since you know him so well?
mpku - 2/10/2010, 11:22 AM
Priest-- Wow, people are crazy.
Betty - 2/10/2010, 11:22 AM
Thanks guardian.
99% of the time when the popular media makes a claim about a person or a group it's just lame partisan hype.
But if you could meet the person or find out about the group you would probably find out that that there is always some bad apples in with the good which is how it always is.

I will give you an example: Rush Limbagh says that Obama is TRYING to destroy the country on purpose. Now I am not an Obama supporter but you don't have to be the shapest tack in the box to realize that that's BLOODY STUPID. When you hear something in the media ALWAYS take it with a grain of salt.

@ MPKU: Why do you let assholes like Nancy Pelosi do your thinking for you?
SixSixteen - 2/10/2010, 11:24 AM
thwhtGuardian, apperantly I offended you by asking a question of, who I presume is, your internet friend? I made a bold statement of those who are offended. He took that statement directly. Is that level headed, since you know him so well?
mpku - 2/10/2010, 11:24 AM
Yes they are. MrJosh, do you think that a black man would feel comfortable mingling in a crowd with signs like those? I think that what Falcon said makes perfect sense.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 11:25 AM
@TheQuestions remarks I find it kind of odd that you seemed to be a Liberial guy and probably support socialism yet you use the username and a avatar of The Question when he was a supporter of Objectivism.
Dmon - 2/10/2010, 11:25 AM
"DartMulder", it interesting that someone described as level headed would assume that Nancy Pelosi does my thinking. Why is that? Probably because you can't truly answer my question. You need to turn to absurdities for comfort.
mpku - 2/10/2010, 11:27 AM
@ priest: what about the black teabag movement members?

Does that make perfect sense to you too?
SixSixteen - 2/10/2010, 11:28 AM
"DartMulder", it interesting that someone described as level headed would assume that Nancy Pelosi does my thinking. Why is that? Probably because you can't truly answer my question. You need to turn to absurdities for comfort.
mpku - 2/10/2010, 11:30 AM
@Priest and at @mpku Nambla marches in gay parades does that mean all gays are child molesters. No. Just like most tea partiers are not racist.
Dmon - 2/10/2010, 11:30 AM
I'd start saying what I think of this... but I don't want to start a stupid political argument... I guess I see how this is offensive, but its comics and I really don't care... I love comics and I don't care what they put in them... Liberal, conservative, Democrat, Republican, can't we all just get along??? Of course I agree with the views of one of the sides, but its justs a comicbook. Like @Priest said: Just publish some right-wing propoganda (like Rorschach, a very conservative character).
TheCritic17 - 2/10/2010, 11:31 AM
lol @ mpku


SixSixteen - 2/10/2010, 11:32 AM
There may be some, very few, but the sad reality is that there's plenty of people in the tea party movement that have very outdated ideas regarding race...among other things. And you can't deny that a sensible black person that reads signs like the ones in the pictures I posted would feel uncomfortable. Therefore, what Falcon said in the comic book is not that outrageous.

Besides, the bottom line is that Marvel can write whatever they want. If you don't like it, don't buy the comic book. Or publish your own with a conservative message.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 11:33 AM
Another interesting note, "DarthMulder" is that of two groups; ACORN, whose effort was to register poor minorities to vote, and Tea Baggers that use racism, you protect the Tea Baggers. Why?
mpku - 2/10/2010, 11:34 AM
Black Teabag Movement? I knew Tea was English..never really cared if he was black and why care about Tea's movement's? I thought Lee777 was odd.
lee666 - 2/10/2010, 11:35 AM
@Dmon: Nuff said... You could be liberal and support objectivism... plus maybe he just likes the Question. Roschach is one of my favorite comic book characters and he's very conservative. I'm not. I've read Ayn Rand's work on her philosphy of objectivism and I understood that your object society but it doesn't mean you object everything society stands for (like being Liberal or Conservative)... If that makes any sense...
TheCritic17 - 2/10/2010, 11:36 AM
Dmon, I welcome a citation to your claim of NAMBLA in a gay rights parade.
mpku - 2/10/2010, 11:37 AM
Dmon, I welcome a citation to your claim of NAMBLA in a gay rights parade.
mpku - 2/10/2010, 11:39 AM
Priest ... lots o questions. Pictures can be found anywhere and are like statistics. They can be manipulated.

Bluehero - 2/10/2010, 11:39 AM
HAHAHHAHA!!! YOU @$$HOLES!

Read the interview on CBR. Basically Marvel's E-i-C says they did this on purpose to prove that the stereotype is false. So again Fox news has blown something WAY out of proportion as I said earlier. They took 1 panel completely out of context and used it as propaganda to to attack liberals.
At the end of the story Falcon realizes he was wrong for saying that. This is why I HATE Fox news.
superman7 - 2/10/2010, 11:40 AM
@ priest: A sensible white person would feel uncomfortable at those signs too.
Those signs are crazy and offensive. But that's not every sign in the crowd. Nor does it reflect the attitude of every Teabag(er) lol


I hate to break it to you man, but this popular notion that people don't like what Obama is doing because he's black is really just ultra partisan political hype designed to shut the opposition up.

The idea is that if they can make people afraid of being called racist then they won't make anymore noise. I'm sure that to a certian degree it has worked
SixSixteen - 2/10/2010, 11:41 AM
@Priest the media purposely trys to find just the few signs like that to take pictures. Those were just a few signs in a crowd of thousands.
Dmon - 2/10/2010, 11:41 AM
@ Priest:

Thats like saying 'DC owns Superman, so if they made him into a bloodthirsty killer it would be okay.'
superman7 - 2/10/2010, 11:41 AM
Dmon, I welcome a citation to your claim of NAMBLA in a gay rights parade.
mpku - 2/10/2010, 11:41 AM
Bluehero, do you honestly think those pics are not real?
Priest - 2/10/2010, 11:42 AM
my comment wasn't written well. Falcon's comment is done on purpose. The only thing that wasnt was the teabag sign
superman7 - 2/10/2010, 11:43 AM
@RorMachine
exactly.
as Holden McNeil said in Jay and Silent bob.
"They're talking about fictional characters. Fictional characters."
Newbe - 2/10/2010, 11:44 AM
superman7, sad but true. If DC did that, the superman comic books may not sell, but it is their right to do whatever they want with the character. Again I say, if you don't like the way Marvel writes the Captain America comic books, then don't buy them.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 11:45 AM
Dmon, I welcome a citation to your claim of NAMBLA in a gay rights parade.
mpku - 2/10/2010, 11:45 AM
Priest: K I see. I would be thoroughly pissed if they decided to change a characters beliefs but i see what you're saying. It wouldn't be right but they do have the right to.
superman7 - 2/10/2010, 11:48 AM
Well if Fox News says it it must be true since they decide what is American and Not American.
Joker666 - 2/10/2010, 11:51 AM
@ priest
Well if I could get the pictures at work I could show pictures of plenty of Black people at Tea Party rallys holding anit President Obama signs as well fire arms.
Jimll565 - 2/10/2010, 11:52 AM
DarthMaul, don't misinterpret me. I don't think all tea party members are racist. But I do notice that they are not very vocal about denouncing racism either. I think it would be great if Sarah Palin made a speech condemning racism on live tv. But what are the odds of that happening?

I know what the tea party movement is about. I know what they think about Obama. I know it is not the color of his skin that the majority of tea partyers hate, but his policies. I also think that the tea party movement is highly misguided.

We are a highly ideologically divided nation, I don't see that ending any time soon without some big horrible event occurring.

But meanwhile, Marvel can write whatever they want in the Captain America comic books is their right and if you don't like it, then don't buy the comic book. Or even better, publish one that haves a conservative message. I'll read it.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 11:53 AM
sorry dbl post :)
Jimll565 - 2/10/2010, 11:56 AM
You're right, Marvel can do whatever they want with him. But I don't think this is liberal propaganda, it seems well with in his usual characteristics.
thwhtGuardian - 2/10/2010, 11:59 AM
This is just plain bad business. As a retailer I can tell you, Marvel just alienated half of my market. We’re struggling enough as it is. We depend on Marvel to appeal to a wide audience for the good of the industry and this time they have let us down. You may think this was funny or cute but our retail shop is already on the edge. Why would you do this to us?
Atomic1 - 2/10/2010, 12:00 PM
@mpku You go and look it up if you dont believe me. Sorry I am not going to research NAMBLA at work. LOL
Dmon - 2/10/2010, 12:00 PM
Half? The Tea Party doesn't even represent half of the conservative population of the US never mind half of the people who buy comics. This will have no effect on Marvel's reader ship at all.
thwhtGuardian - 2/10/2010, 12:04 PM
@TheCritic17 I know I just found it kind of ironic
Dmon - 2/10/2010, 12:07 PM
Guardian, I agree completely.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 12:07 PM
@ priest: I understand.

Personally I look at Captain America as being kind of apolitical anyway.

The man is an idealist. You'll find them on both sides of the isle.

Now when it comes down to defending the constitution, though you might start getting into partisan territory but I really don't recall that even coming up in comics.

Has anyone here ever heard Cap say anything that was partisan in nature or espouse the beliefs of a certain party?
SixSixteen - 2/10/2010, 12:11 PM
What Ror said. 2/10/2010, 10:47 AM
SHHH - 2/10/2010, 12:19 PM
@RorMachine - well put brother....

and now for my rant

For those who don't think the tea party is a small collection of ignorant racist, why did they only rear their heads weeks after Obama’s election, BEFORE BEFORE BEFORE he passed anything????
The thing is Racism isn’t cool anymore so they have to pretend it’s about the issues, but we ALL know that if there was a White person in office doing EXACTLY the same thing as Obama…. Yes, there would be NO Tea Party.

These people are the dumbest people on the planet. Most, if not all of them are middle class and will never see any tax increases; they are all mindless idiots marching along with signs that spew misspelled hatred instead of solutions. All they do is quote FOX NEWS who is only profiting right now because of peoples lack of thinking skills.

They can't know how to read because if they did they would know that Obama's “tax plan” is EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY the same as Reagan’s the "greatest republican ever" according to them (insert hypocrisy comment here) There was no Tea Party when Regan Raised taxes on the Wealthy. This has nothing to do with Middle America or the state of America... These people could carless about America…. They are just a bunch of old RASISCTS who want the America of the 1950s where "black folks knew their place…" well guess what THATAINTHAPPENIN ! They would rather see America burn to the ground then see a black man in office. That’s the bottom line, point blank, period.

All Members of the Tea Party are Racist FOX NEWS is Racist, Rush Limpd!ck is Racist, Hannity and O'reilly make money off racist.

If you don’t like Obama’s policies then don’t elect dumb asses like sarah palin to run for VP

Why can’t we all just get along, Racism & Politics suck.

PLEASE GET THIS BS CRAP ARTICLE OFF OF THIS SITE!

thatiscrazy - 2/10/2010, 12:25 PM
Meh, I wouldn't label them all racists. Like any group I'm sure they have their good and their bad apples. I don't agree with anything they believe in, but I'm not about to cover them with any kind of blanket statement.
thwhtGuardian - 2/10/2010, 12:32 PM
@@thatiscrazy: Well said..Damn Reagan did the same thing? Your'e right also on the 50's america.. Perfect example Rush Limbaugh..
SHHH - 2/10/2010, 12:33 PM
ITS funny how these morons try to act like there is no racism going on here. oh its only a minority they say. that is pure bullcrap and you know it. i see racist obama signs every day where i live...this is not about taxes, its not about politics. its about having a negro being your leader and you dont like it. why do you think they chant "take our country back" from who??? aliens?? we are all americans here. but when they say take the country back they really mean put a white leader back and get rid of the muslim from kenya. they dont even believe OBAMA WAS BORN IN AMERICA... why the hell do you think they say these things????? they hide thier racism behind political rhetoric
z3ro - 2/10/2010, 12:34 PM
enough said!
z3ro - 2/10/2010, 12:36 PM
1. Fox is the #1 news station in the country - so "liberal media" my arse. 2. The tea bag folks are either idiots, uninformed, racists, or have some sort of serious mental defect - or a combination. They revel in being stupid or misinformed and then wrap a flag around themselves and say they're standing up for freedom. Where were they when we attacked 2 countries with no way of paying for it and no exit strategy? Where were they when the deficit doubled from 2001 to 2008? Where were they when banks were failing and the housing bubble collapsed? Tea baggers are losers. LOSERS. The idea of controlling the deficit is correct, but had nothing been done by the Fed, the banking system would have collapsed. Our economy was on the brink. When unemployment starts going down - soon - the deficit should be addressed. In the meantime, the party formerly known as the Republican party and now co-opted by tea baggers, should shut it. 3. Both parties suck, they're corrupt, and they are beholden to special interests. Vote all the bums out!
80sFace - 2/10/2010, 12:36 PM
@z3ro - Well said. The code words tea morons use is as transparent as their motives: take the country back from black.
80sFace - 2/10/2010, 12:42 PM
[frick]- why do people always start liberal bashing on this site? Its about Comic Books- I don't rag on republicans, the least I expect in return is people not freaking out and blaming Obama for Cap's costume changes...
DannyRand401 - 2/10/2010, 12:48 PM
You know what Cap would say about this? He'd say that EVERYONE has a right to say what they want. BUT as soon as a racist turned words into ugly action, he'd get a big red fist in his face.

That said, I'm a small gov't, lower taxes, libertarian, and if any of you poozers calls ME a racist, well then we'll have, ahem, words.
BubbaDude - 2/10/2010, 12:51 PM
Priest you are right Mrvel owns Cappy and do what they will with him, but Everyone should read ********Atomic1's post*******
As a son of a small business owner that hits home for me. I whole heartedly believe this is bad for business.
EpicMan - 2/10/2010, 12:56 PM
As someone who lives in Boise, Idaho may I just say that in real-life there would not be a huge protest like this against a black superhero. The state of Idaho has got some bad reputation around the country because of some racist idiots in the NORTH part of the state, but we chased those Neo-Nazis out years ago. I guess this shows that the writers of this story clearly have not done their research, and I am offended that they would portray our state and its people in this way.
KatanaHero - 2/10/2010, 1:07 PM
@ Z3ro & 80'sface: All that you two have demonstrated is that you beleive the bullshit your taught to. Your addicted to a popular notion.

Call names all day long if you want. Only rednecks, Nazis and ethnonazi's (blacks that think everything is about race) give a shit what color Obama is.
The rest of us DON'T! This is Sharptonized ethnocentric America. You people are soo racially obsessed that you become incredulous and shocked with disbelief if anyone ever dares suggest that there is more going on or that there is something more important, and it's nothing but hot air and sensibilities that are based on pure cultural hype.

Listen, despite what your little cultrual icons have told you

80'sface:

1) huh?
2) How many Teabag movement people do you know personally? Or are you just regurgitating empty hype that you heard at church? Or from pro Obama liberal leftists who would say ANYTHING to besmirch the competition? It's bound to be one of those.
3) We didn't attack two countries. We attacked terrorists within those counttries in response to 9/11. When your at war with someone you have to go where they are. Where they are = Iraq and Afghanistan
4) Barack Obama has more than tripled the deficit in ONE year as opposed to doubling it in eight. Next?
5) This is a free country. People can say anything they want. But Libnazis like you just always wasnt to shut everyone up because your not smart enough to LISTEN.
6) lol I can't actually argue with the all corrupt thing. Bingo on that one.

And now it's Z3ro's turn:
Your imagining things and whoever told you all that crap is too. There's more to life than race man. Get over it.
4)
SixSixteen - 2/10/2010, 1:15 PM
Its true that everyone does have the right to free discourse. I think what's lacking here is respect- on both sides- for the other. Not calling anyone specifically out, so don't take it personal. But I love political debate, and crossing swords with people of different backgrounds (I'm a Left of Center Liberal, my bud is a HARD Right Catholic, others vary from Far Left to Far Right- awesome.

I think the nature of the medium doesn't help- the impersonal nature of this stuff makes it easy for stuff to escalate, although to be fair, this stuff escalates face-to-face as well, if not handled properly.

I posted this on another board, but I'd like to bring things back to Cap for a sec, and a little manifesto about why I love him, and what I think he stands for.

To be clear- this is NOT about the purely political debate going on here, but about Captain America specifically.


Cap is an interesting character in so many ways, and one of the things I love about him is the inherent tension between what he represents: America the Nation- and therefore is government/ and America the Ideal- and therefore the values enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, National Character, etc.

Although I'm sure many on this site are loathe to admit it, Cap isn't a Yes-Man like USAgent- he disagrees with various administrations, and has a serious Libertarian streak (Civil War anyone?). But he also can't become so detached from the American people, that he ends up being the only one believing he is in the right- like some crazy militia in the woods, who think by ceceding from the US, they are doing their patriotic duty.

As a proud Canadian, its always interesting to look in from the outside at Cap. There are elements of him that I connect with on a deep personal level; his Idealism, his Hope, Love of Liberty, the almost mythic qualities of the America he represents- what his country seeks to embody, and must always strive towards. Then there are elements I connect less with- usually when he declares America the greatest nation in history. I mean, somebody says where you're from is the best, you're gonna agree- someone says a different place is the best- you're not.

But I still love, and expect him to make statements like that- thats who he is, and I love it. I think Captain America is amazing, because he's a man who wears the American flag, and who on the surface appears to represent Nationalism- American is not only the best, but our people are better/smarter/morally superior to everyone else in the world. And a few idiots who don't know Cap think this is what he actually is about.

But he's not- and THATS whats so cool. He represents PATRIOTISM, not Nationalism- the belief that America is the greatest nation in history, not because of some inherent "goodness" but because of the ideals it enshrines and continuously strives to retain, that if America is to lead the world that it needs to respect and appreciate its Allies, like he did the Invaders and troops he fought beside across the world, and that Freedom, Liberty and Justice should belong to all the people of the world, and that America should act as the beacon, the ultimate expression of these values, so that the oppressed might one day follow their example.

Woah...I need to go sit down. :)
DannyRand401 - 2/10/2010, 1:19 PM
EpicMan, I highly doubt that Atomic1's comic book store will have to close because of one Captain America comic book. Besides, I am sure that if Captain America comic book sales started to drop because of this one issue, Marvel would change the political flavor of the comic. But I also doubt that that would occur. In fact, I am sure that this "controversy" will actually boost sales for Captain America. Oh, and the movie too.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 1:19 PM
@thwhtGuardian your right , I usually don't blanket... because there are usually some examples to neutralize it. But I've yet to see clear evidence that its about the issues so in the mean time I'm blanketing.

The only thing I hate is Racism and all rasists can go to hell for all I care. I geuss it doesn't matter because 50 years from now they'll all be dead and there views will die with them... hopefully
thatiscrazy - 2/10/2010, 1:24 PM
There's a simple thing the tea party leaders can do to boost their image. Have Sarah Palin or some other big tea party leader make a speech about the evils of racism and xenophobia. A speech that says that judging people by the color of their skin, their country of origin or their religion is just wrong, wrong, WRONG.

If they did something like that, they would hit their critics hard and gain more followers among minorities.

But I don't see that happening any time soon.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 1:26 PM
Yeah, that's something else that this story shows....sadly people from the far east and west of our country don't really seem to get those of us in the middle. Come on people, we're all Americans....apologies to those of you who may be from elsewhere....trust me, we don't like racists any more than you do, and I'm tired of being characterized as an ignorant red neck
BubbaDude - 2/10/2010, 1:27 PM
I think it's funny how a comment against a minority group (tea party) is villainized when there have been several incidents in comics where worse has occured and it's been okay. Hell, there was once a cover to a Superman comic book that said something to the effect of "Slap A Jap, It's The American Thing To Do!" It's okay for publishers to do stuff like that but God forbid they criticize a group inside their own country... give me a break.
DudeLove721 - 2/10/2010, 1:27 PM
@ Thatiscrazy: personally I beleive that they are well on their way already.

I truly do beleive that it's only the fringe dregs and cruddy little towns in the South that still have that stuff going on
SixSixteen - 2/10/2010, 1:28 PM
@Priest I hope so. I just hope that the Young Amricans that read this comic continue to think for themselves and dont drink the koolaid.
EpicMan - 2/10/2010, 1:28 PM
Falcon would be far more welcome at a Tea Party rally than Captain America would be at the Democrat Convention.

The racist at Marvel can go f*ck himself. Dry. But he probably already does.
bropous - 2/10/2010, 1:34 PM
I think America and Americans are awesome- just certain groups of you are assholes. But you know what, we got a mess of those up here in Canada too, doesn't mean the country sucks.

I like to hear that there are reasonable, intelligent people in the Teabagging movement, who almost certainly make up the majority- just like there are reasonable, intelligent people protests/movements on the far Left.

You take pictures of all those signs, of course they look bad. Just like you focus on the Anarchists who fight the cops at WTO protests, they all look like Assholes- while thousands of people are doing hippie-sit ins and are totally anti-violence. You gotta look at the bulk of these movements, not the hardcores at either end of the spectrum. Ironically they're often most vocal/covered by Media, be it Left or Right. Because who wants to hear people on the Left/Right making reasonable arguements at a protest- when you can shoot to some redneck with a racist sign that most of the people in the protest probably haven't even seen- or the guys in black smashing up MacDonalds to make themselves feel like they're fighting the Machine.
DannyRand401 - 2/10/2010, 1:36 PM
I not touching this. Except for one caveat:
I hope this version of Captain America makes it to film. Why you ask? I'll tell ya!
After if flops, they won't ever do it again.
They'll treat it like a used Maxi-pad, just like Singerman Returns.
Phinehas - 2/10/2010, 1:40 PM
Most likely, the movie Captain America will not mention politics at all. Just wholesome America is Great stuff.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 1:42 PM
Priest...you are absolutely correct about the need for a speech like that!
BubbaDude - 2/10/2010, 1:43 PM
gee, zero, how about we just post a lot of photos of Ku Klux Klanners, because when you actually listen to what they say, aside from the despicable racist language (which, supplant "white" for "black" in their speeches and they sound just like Jesse Jackson or ObaMao's preacher), they fit in perfectly with the party of their birth, THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.

I attended Tea PARTY protests. Idiots like the moron with the "N" word on his sign misspelled were DRIVEN OUT of the protests, as were idiots who showed up with racist signs referring to ObaMao (and gee, how funny, I recognized a few local DEMOCRATS with those signs!).

Fact is: The Tea Party protests have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with racist tendencies, and it is facile and a prevarication to state that they do. However, critical thinking skills is a little too much to expect from knee-jerk pablum puking liberal hypocrites.
bropous - 2/10/2010, 1:45 PM
EpicMan how is this bad for business? Let's assume that the US is 50% conservative and 50% liberal(which in actuality it's not). Of that 50% that is conservative less than 5% are Tea Party.
That's about 7,601,493 people in the US(if conservatives make up 50%). Now given that in 2009 only 107,636,591 people in the US bought comics it stands to reason that even if every single tea party member was an avid comic book reader and they all decided to stop reading that would only amount to a 7% decrease in sales...which considering comics have fallen 3% in the last year alone is hardly ore than a drop in the hat.


I can't believe I just spent time crunching those numbers. Oh and my comics sold is probably off, as I could only find dollars made and divided 3.99
thwhtGuardian - 2/10/2010, 1:46 PM
LOL, Bubba, the only need to make such a speech would be to try and tell idiots like you and priest that the call for limited government is not akin to racism, but it would be a waste of breath.

Limited government means limited government for ALL, and if you are so goddamned stupid that you have to have it spelled out for you, then you are obviously too weak in the brain to be a conservative.
bropous - 2/10/2010, 1:48 PM
bropous, isn't it ironic that you mention all that yet refer to your president as "ObaMao"? If you are comparing President Obama to Mao Zedong, you are delusional.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 1:49 PM
There's always a troll that needs to insult others and dismiss civil discussion. *points to bropous*
Priest - 2/10/2010, 1:52 PM
I'm missing the irony.
Phinehas - 2/10/2010, 1:53 PM
not to nitpick but he mentioned obmao posters were driven from the rallies, not that he supported them.
thwhtGuardian - 2/10/2010, 1:53 PM
@DarthMulder your right along with them... the teapartiers that is. it’s a terrible cycle. we say its racist and you say that we only think its racist because you disagree with a black man but your not racist. Who’s Right? I guess your are... right. please and then you quote fox facts “Obama whah whah” you sound like a freaking baby.... its sounds like you’re the one that’s "regurgitating empty hype that you heard at church" and no I don’t know any tea partiers personally but I do know that the Tea Party is having a convention in Daytona beach Florida in a few days, funny thing about that is they have one of the largest KKK concentrations here in Florida....

It doesn’t take much thought to see what’s going on, but tea partiers don’t have brains…. Like I said, It’s okay to have opposing views but I can’t agree with racism and the tea partiers don’t talk about facts or issues they only spew second hand complaints about economic philosophies that they don’t even really understand. I hate government politics and I’m not for or against Dems or the GOP. But this whole Teap Party thing is a bunch of hate fueled Bull sh!t I just call things how I see it.

thatiscrazy - 2/10/2010, 1:53 PM
Can we see some boobs! i need boobs
thatiscrazy - 2/10/2010, 1:54 PM
Guardian, read his post again, he refers to the president as "ObaMao" twice. One of them not in reference to the posters.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 1:55 PM
Ahhh...
I must have misread. I thought only a the racist element was driven out. Not the ideological.
Phinehas - 2/10/2010, 1:56 PM
i can't believe you posted anything from faux news. MASSIVE FAIL.
113 - 2/10/2010, 1:58 PM
"Basically Marvel's E-i-C says they did this on purpose to prove that the stereotype is false. So again Fox news has blown something WAY out of proportion as I said earlier. They took 1 panel completely out of context and used it as propaganda to to attack liberals.
At the end of the story Falcon realizes he was wrong for saying that."

Thank you for the clarification, superman7. If they do so, it makes sense.

However, you do see how the mindless prolls immediately ran with the bits in their mouths on how the Tea Party movement is racist, and you see how just one comment, taken out of context, can definitely make tempers flare.

I appreciate the story if Falcon is made to realize, by the ending, that the Tea Party protests and protestors are NOT there for racist ideology.

There are far more racists today in the Democrat Party than in the Republican Party (you know, the party that freed the slaves and voted overwhelmingly for Civil Rights legislation in the 1960s when the Dems were the party of Jim Crow?). Proof?

A totally unqualified man being elected president based solely on the color of his skin. Hell, it wasn't anything to do with anything in his past that qualified him for office, was it, because the State Run Media ran interference for him during the entire racist campaign?

Voting for a president simply because of the melanin content of his skin is as racist as voting AGAINST him for the same reason.
bropous - 2/10/2010, 1:59 PM
@DarthMulder that was a little harsh... sorry dude :( I just want to make art and bang hot chicks. [frick] politics! I need a beer after this one fellas.
thatiscrazy - 2/10/2010, 2:01 PM
ObaMAO, priest.

SUCK IT. I've heard FAR worse from the likes of you about far better men than the lying Kenyan marxist.

As for the troll, gee, I don't seem to recall reading YOUR opinions aside from this one thread...perhaps your congressional office is paying you today to shill for that bastard?
bropous - 2/10/2010, 2:02 PM
@guardian so what your saying is that if your not a Tea Party member... like most conservatives, they would not be partial to and somewhat supportive of their movement anyways. No i dont think so. Conservatives wil relate to the upset and those comic book readers (conservatives not strictly conservativeTea Party members) will also be hesatent to buy this comic book, and may be offended by Marvel as a whole. Which causes a decline in comic book sales. All Marvel had to do was STAY OUT OF IT.
EpicMan - 2/10/2010, 2:03 PM
bropous, do you know about the dixiecrats? And do you know what party they defected to when the DEMOCRATIC president signed the Civil Rights bill?
Priest - 2/10/2010, 2:05 PM
thatiscrazy:

Talk to a Klanner in Florida. You will find them indistinguishable from your average Democrat voter, because Klanners ARE Democrats!
bropous - 2/10/2010, 2:05 PM
bropous, you are exactly what's wrong with America. Are you a fascist? Why do you hate America?

BTW, I don't usually post in this website, I do it rarely, but this article caught my attention since I am very passionate about politics and the true American virtues I believe in.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 2:07 PM
Priest...you are absolutely correct about the need for a speech like that!
BubbaDude - 2/10/2010, 2:09 PM
@PRIEST did you know it was republicans that were against slavery?
EpicMan - 2/10/2010, 2:09 PM
bropous, you are way wrong, like, on a massive fail scale. The republican and democratic parties of today are nothing like back in the first half of the twentieth century. And if you think that klansmen today are democrats, you are delusional...Are you from Bizarro World?
Priest - 2/10/2010, 2:10 PM
Okay dammit, @bropous "There are far more racists today in the Democrat Party than in the Republican Party" lolololololololololololol

as far as freeing the slaves... yeah they did that but back then the philosophies of the paries where reversed. lollolol this guy is fricking amazing. He doesn't consider fox to be part of the media lolololol

He thinks Obama won because of his color lololololololololoollol OMGoodness wheres my beer?
bropous you truly are now invisible to me
thatiscrazy - 2/10/2010, 2:10 PM
I know Epic, Lincoln was a Republican, but in those days, the Republican Party was the liberal party.
Priest - 2/10/2010, 2:11 PM
Alright so make 20 percent of conservatives who sympathize... or even 50. the fact is each and every single one of them would have to be members of the current reading population to harm comic sales...and I seriously doubt they have those numbers. This doesn't offend a large portion of comicbook readers, only a group of people that didn't read comics in the first place, they can yell and scream about boycotting Marvel all they want...but if they aren't a large portion of the comic's audience what are they really going to accomplish?
thwhtGuardian - 2/10/2010, 2:13 PM
Geez, Bropous, who's the idiot? Can't argue on the merits, so you attack personally?


I'm done with this shit.
BubbaDude - 2/10/2010, 2:15 PM
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