EDITORIAL: Humour And How It's Handled In Comic Book Movies

EDITORIAL: Humour And How It's Handled In Comic Book Movies

Humour is one of the most subjective things on this good Earth. Lately, it seems people just don't want it around, people seem to think a film, especially a comic book film, is silly if there's so much as an ounce of humour. Hit the jump to hear my thoughts on the topic.

Introduction

As I mentioned in the teaser, humour is subjective and people's sense of humour can vary massively from person to person. As of late, especially in comic book  films, people don't seem to accept humour as much as they used to. A lot of the time, people would watch a film hoping to get a bit of a laugh out of it, it brightens your day a little. Nowadays though, people seem to rejct humour and demand that there only be serious themes and tones throuhgout a comic book film with little to no signs of so much as an attempt to make you laugh. Some might argue that this is a good thing but the truth is, it really isn't. The ever-decreasing levels of humour in comic book films actually reflects us, comic book readers, as a fanbase. These films, no matter what company we're talking about, are primarily made as fan service as well as telling a broader story. So, if the film is tailor-made to make us as a fanbase appreciate it more, then the film itself influences the perception people have of the die hard fans like us. Seeing as it's the main reason this is occurring, let's look at Chritopher Nolan's Batman trilogy as a kickoff point.

Where It All Began

Nolan's Batman films are held in astonishingly high regard by most comic book fans and general audiences alike. The films are truly exceptional and they served their purpose, they provided us with a gritty, realistic comic book film series that suited the character around which the story was centered. They had their humourous moments, not in high quantity as it would have ruined the tone, but nonetheless, humour was present. Before these films, most mainstream audiences had only seen comic book films that catered to a humourous character like Spider-Man, or even the X-Men movies which contained quite a fair amount of humour. Never before had the masses of the general audience seen a serious comic book film. When Batman Begins rolled around, we received our first mainstream gritty comic book film. Batman is a character that doesn't require humour to tell his story. He's quite a dark character with plenty of troubles in his past and humour would have spoiled that if used excessively. This is where the script-writing and directing come into play. David Goyer's script portrayed this gritty and grounded world perfectly, and he has to be applauded for painting that picture. Christopher Nolan then took that and presented that picture to the masses, for which he is critically acclaimed by fans and actual critics alike. The influences the pair had on the comic book genre are far too vast to list, but not all of them were for the best. Especially in regards to humour. The film was so well-received that the fanbase decided they preferred their comic book films to be realistic, dark and gritty, but at this early stage, it wasn't too much of an issue. By the time The Dark Knight was released, the fanbase truly made up their minds. Humour almost became a no-go area due to how brilliant the film was, and how little humour was used. Again, Batman is a character that doesn't require humour to portray accurately and so it's easy to accept him in this dark and gritty world because that's what we get in the comics. But us, the fans, we found The Dark Knight so good we wanted all comic book films to aspire to its greatness. This was our first downfall.

True Grit

It seemed after Batman Begins that "gritty" was the word we wanted to hear from critics in regards to our comic book films. When Marvel Studios released Iron Man, it was met with rave reviews and was also a financial success to boot. The film had action, drama, explosions, hot chicks, emotional weight and on top of all those other things, they found time to make us laugh. Iron Man is a character that can have humour used in his story as the character himself is quite the wisecracker. The Incredible Hulk, a film most consider to be quite underrated, had humour and also managed to balance out the drama and the action. Again, the Hulk is a character that can have humour used in his movies because he doesn't need to be dark and gritty, he's a giant green monster for Christ's sake! Why is it then, that a character like Superman gets pegged into this dark, realistc and gritty world? Superman is a bright character, heavy-laden with symbolism and messages pertaining to honour, patriotism, kindness and well-being. He's no Batman. He could do with a git of light-heartedness in his movies, as the original two proved rather well! Zack Snyder came along to direct Man of Steel and fan's got pretty excited. He was the guy who adapted Watchmen almost perfectly from book to screen! He was the guy who made that awesome movie 300 that was so far out and massive, yet believable! David Goyer's writing the script... It's gonna be dark, gritty and realistic apparently... WOOHOO, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THE DARK KNIGHT! No. That's not how we should have reacted to that. Superman should be a much more light-hearted character than Batman and that's why the two of them have such a great character dynamic in the comics is because of their contrast with each other. Man of Steel came out and it was all grey and gloomy, yet they managed to portray Superman pretty well and there was humour where it was okay to use it but if there's anything  Man of Steel wasn't, it was light-hearted. The destruction, the doom and gloom, the fact that every shot seemed to be tinted grey, it didn't help the movie at all. Humour would have helped that film. It would have established Superman as much more of a light-hearted character and not only that, but it might have made the film just that little bit more watchable for the general audiences. But the fanbase went nuts for it because we got to see a gritty and dark Superman. Why? That goes against pretty much every aspect of the character. Nonetheless, I enjoyed Man of Steel for the most part and highly anticipate Dawn of Justice, but wouldn't it be great if there was this stark contrast between Batman and Superman, one being the light-hearted "Superman to the rescure" character, the other being the troubled and damaged character we all know Batman to be? Of course there are times when humour can get to be too much.

It's Complicated, Alright, It's Complicated

We received the movie Iron Man 3 last year and I think it's safe to say, we comic book fans hated every last minute of it. Why? Because the film's plot was sacrificed to humour. The film was peppered with gags and unnecassary moments of humour, and it was all at the expense of one of the most highly anticipated villains since Heath Ledger's Joker (oh no wait...). Iron Man 3 is the perfect example of how humour can ruin a film. The film we were expecting was a tale of retribution, conspiracy and terror. The tale we got was one straight out of an eighties Seagal movie. Iron Man 3 ended up feeling like a filler episode for a t.v. show rather than another standalone super hero venture. The humour was the film's primary downfall. It was handled incredibly poorly and was over-excessive in all the wrong places. It's a rule of storytelling that you don;t use humour in the climax of the story, especially if it's a showdown between the protagonist and the antagonist. The arrival and subsequent blunder of the Mark 42 armour was probably the moment I truly felt like the humour was the main reason I wasn't liking this film as much as I wanted to. It certainly had its moments and handled drama well at times, like the house destruction and the aeroplane sequence. That doesn't change the fact however, that the humour damaged this film by being handled incredibly poorly. The same goes for Thor: The Dark World. Again; humour during the climactic battle between the protagonist and antagonist, it ruins the tension and it just downright upsets the tone of things. There were unnecassary characters that were obviously only put in place as comic relief and there were scenes written as comic relief but still, the film was help up entirely by the relationship between Thor and Loki. The humour between those two was well-executed and well-written also, but the rest of the humour in the movie felt incredibly shoehorned and out of place. Just when we were all on a downer due to the bad implications of humour, a film came along and restored our faith.

But It's A Price I'm Willing To Pay

Captain America: The Winter Soldier truly was the return of the prodigal son. The film managed to balance every aspect perfectly. The tone remained consistent throughout. The characters all got developed significantly, perhaps with the exception of Winter Soldier. The action sequences were executed brilliantly. But best of all, the humour was handled well. Humour seems to be what makes or breaks a comic book film these days and I can't decide if that's a good or bad thing. Nevertheless, The Winter Solider restored the faith we originally had in Marvel Studios and it all came down to the fact that despite maintaining a cohesive plot, humour was handled well and wasn't over-excessive. All credit for this achievement has to go to the Russo Bros. In my opinion, people who can write comedy, proper comedy that makes you laugh because of words and not actions, are the best people you could have writing something. When you're at school writing essays you're told, "Write something emotional, it'll be more impactful to the reader. Making people laugh is one of the most difficult things in the world, so avoid trying to be funny." Allow me to explain, as someone who wants to spend the rest of his natural existence writing, why that is bullshit. Comedy, humour whatever you want to call it, like I said before, is subjective. If you're going to write something that you want to be funny, think about what would make you laugh and go with that. When you can do that as a writer, you can write damned near anything because if you can put your own sense of humour on paper, film or imagery, you're going to create a connection between yourself, the piece and the audience. That's exactly what the Russo Bros. did with The Winter Soldier. They took their sense of humour and imparted it into their film, made it their own and it certainly payed off in a big way because they knew their cutoff point, they knew where their humour would fit in the movie and where it wouldn't. Lessons can be learned from that film from many different dimensions.

Looking To The Future

With the highly anticipated Guardians of the Galaxy mere weeks away and people reporting the humour was well-balanced in the 17 minute preview, we must ask ourselves, has James Gunn done what the Russos did? Has he taken his sense of humour and imparted it into the film? Well, considering he was told his original draft "needs more James Gunn", by Avengers director Joss Whedon, I think it's safe to assume he has indeed done such a thing. It wouldn't be the first time either, his other movies are the exact same, there's a real sense that you're getting his sense of humour in there.
Will Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice follow suit? Will Goyer actually try to impart his own sense of humour into the highly anticipated sequel? Time will only tell, but given the fact the only two official images we've seen have been gloomy, we should probably prepare ourselves for the likelihood that the film will be just as lacking in humour as its predecessor. But who know, maybe they'll surprise us and give us the contrasting personalities of Batman and Superman like in the comics.
If the script writers all allowed their own sense of humour to be the humour they put into their scripts rather than trying to cater to the humour of other people, I think comic book films might just start to be the films they were before Nolan's Bat trilogy came along and made grit and darkness a necessity.

Conclusion

Just to sign off, these are all my personal opinions of things and I'd much prefer healthy discussion to an all out flame war so please, I'm begging you, keep the comments reasonable. I do hope humour becomes a much less taboo thing in future comic book films and I'm sure if we get the right writers and directors, it certainly will make a come back. If not, I'll probably give up on comic book films. If current trends continue with writers and directors, I can certainly see humour being  a trademark of the comic book film again and also being accepted by the fanbase. What do you make of humour in comic book films? Should screen writers try to start throwing off their inhibitions about humour and allow their own sense of it to show in their scripts? Be sure to let me know what you think in the comments section below!

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DannyRand1225 - 7/13/2014, 8:57 PM
Great Article!!!, i will just specifically talk about how i feel about the humor in these films(Humor is subjective, one thing that may be funny to u may not be funny to another person)

MOS has a couple of good scenes of humor such as "i grew up in Kansas" and Clark destroying the guys truck, those are good scenes of humor but most of the times they use it, it falls flat for me, whether it be the i just think he is kinda hot" or "what i have to tinkle" scene and a few other moments of humor dont work for me


IM3 is a film i really like due to many reasons that i wont get in to but one of the reasons is that i am a Shane Black fan and this is HIS movie through and through, it has many of his tropes such as kidnapping, being set on christmas, the buddy cop thing and his dialogue is always well done imo,plus it has noirish elements to it much like his previous works such as Kiss ,Kiss, Bang, Bang etc and i really like that.for me, the humor in IM3 ,for the majority of it, works cause it is Tony who is having his banters with people and Tony is a narcisist and they deflect their problems through humor,also This is VERY MUCH Shane Blacks sense of humor and he has a very specific sense of humor much like a Joss Whedon or a James Gunn or a Edgar Wright that doesnt appeal to some people,it does appeal to me..However,one of my very few problems with IM3 is that i do think , a couple of times for me, the humor goes overboard ,especially during the climax when after pepper 'dies" we have this slapstick moment with the armor, that is one of the two places for me the humor went overboard, but otherwise, THAT IS A FULL ON SHANE BLACK FILM, he loves to subvert moments and iron man 3 has alot of those subversion in it

Thor:TDW,to keep it short, i do like the film overall but one of my two big problems with it is the side human characters(not Jane,i actually like Jane) but the humor from those characters is painfully unfunny to me, now as u said, the humor between thor and loki and from thors "fish out of water" situations is quite well done and funny imo

Captain America :TWS is the perfect blend of humor, action and drama, the humor is great but never intrudes on the drama and that is great


as a guy who saw the 17 min preview for guardians, i can say, atleast for me, the humor was mixed well with the action, very little fell flat,VERY LITTLE but again its a very Specific sense of Humor,its James Gunns sense of humor and idk if it will gel well with some people

DannyRand1225 - 7/13/2014, 9:20 PM
i do think, besides a character like Batman who is inherently dark and tragic doesnt necessarily have to humor in his films, but every other character needs to have a sense of fun and joy to them because it makes these characters imo feel more "real" cause we as people make jokes and laugh but also have dark and serious moments in our lives which these films do need and it makes these characters more relatable to us as people or makes them feel more "human",plus people noawadays think that if u have humor, u arent a serious film but thats not true imo..u can have humor but still have serious moments ala Original Trilogy(Star Wars0 or Indiana Jones
Platinum - 7/13/2014, 9:27 PM
Ahh Batman Begins, People forget how fun that movie actually was. It's strange to see a Superman movie in MOS that's even less fun and more serious than Batman Begins.

There's lot's of moments of levity and humour that totally work in that movie yet MOS misses the mark in both of those areas. Strange times.
Abary - 7/13/2014, 9:56 PM
Avengers/DOFP kind of subtle humor = Amazing

Iron Man 3 shit 'humor that isn't even remotely funny that distracts from how serious the film SHOULD have been = [frick] YOU ALL
EhMaybeSays - 7/13/2014, 10:05 PM
"I like your coat"-Batman's humour should be dry like this. Superman doesn't need humour. The reason DC doesn't have humour is because few of them ever make jokes(and Goyer can't make good jokes). On the other hand humour is intrinsic for Marvel yet in many movies(read: all but Avengers and IM) the humour doesn't really work.
DannyRand1225 - 7/13/2014, 10:14 PM
Superhero-the only times it bothered me was the whole "u breathe fire" thing and the armor falling after peppers 'death,i actually laugh at the dora joke and the tony calling his armor when captured quite a bit ,again,the sense of humor is VERY Shane Black and i love Shane Blacks movies and his style, he, again, has a very specific sense of humor like Joss Whedon or James Gunn or Edgar Wright
tonytony - 7/13/2014, 10:59 PM
im sorry but marvel uses humour so you judge the movies on what they are trying to be not what they are. Also Cap2 is the least humourous marvel movie and its propably why its the best one. It didnt need humour to mask its not a great film
Braveandthebold - 7/14/2014, 12:00 AM
"Ahh Batman Begins, People forget how fun that movie actually was. It's strange to see a Superman movie in MOS that's even less fun and more serious than Batman Begins.

There's lot's of moments of levity and humour that totally work in that movie yet MOS misses the mark in both of those areas. Strange times."

Well that's easy to explain, one was directed by Christopher Nolan and the other by a hack by the name of Zach Snyder.
Braveandthebold - 7/14/2014, 12:06 AM
What I think DC's cinematic universe needs is light heartedness, it's really what was wrong with MOS it was just a movie am not even sure how to explain what was wrong with it .... it was just something I didn't enjoy. Captain American 2 had plenty of humor but it was balanced in the way it was in the first Iron Man film, that and it was directed by two guys that understood the character and knew what tone to go with. Nolan's Batman films found their tone and style, while Snyder tried to shoehorn Nolan's Batman into MOS that and other things just made it a bad film, Snyder/Goyer also don't understand Superman so not much you could expect from MOS .... I think MOS is just soulless.
Braveandthebold - 7/14/2014, 12:11 AM
"Superman doesn't need humour. The reason DC doesn't have humour is because few of them ever make jokes"

You need to read more comics, they all joke around and make fun of each other. Green Arrow makes fun of Batman's brooding, and so does Superman. Hal makes fun of Green Arrow's trick arrows. Hawkman punches Green Arrow and Green Arrow sticks a arrow up hi ass and they laugh it off. Superman makes fun of Batman's pest problem etc.
Braveandthebold - 7/14/2014, 12:47 AM
Captain America 2 is what I thought Man of Steel was going to be, serious take one on the character and his cast while staying true to the heroes core and personality. MOS didn't do that, I felt they were apologetic about Superman (boy scout image,similar to Cap) and tried to change him and make him "cool", well am sorry giving him a beer and trahing an assholes truck wasn't it. I love Captain America:Winter Soilder because not only was it a fantastic movie and surely a classic and one of the best comic book movies ever(second in my book)but it embraced Captain America and is personality hell they even ditched the "darker" "sleeker" costume for the old one and Cap remained the the hero with his morality and did the right thing, unlike MOS who even had Superman steal yet Cap didn't steal he "barrowed" a truck to save the world and turned it, shit even Batman refused to steal and he didn't .... yet Supes steals a man's clothes and boots ? why ? we all know he doesn't feel cold, it's the same reason they gave him the "beer". At this point am just ranting ... so ..

Great Article, could use some editing to shorten it but you get my thumbs up.
Marqy - 7/14/2014, 1:42 AM
Good read .. people need to chill out with the "serious", "dark", and "adult" shit just because movie is using darker/greyer filters :) and characters ar ewearing darker clothes ... it sounds really pretentious and childish .. ERMAHGERD ! ADLTR! SERIURS ! DURKA DUR !
Doopie - 7/14/2014, 2:13 AM
I think there's room for both types of film. The darker, more realistic take on the superhero is here to stay and that's fine as it's appropriate to some characters. But equally humorous movies have their place too. It depends on the property.

I may be in the minority but I really liked IM3. Shane Black gets a lot of shit but I see it as him getting away with murder right under Marvel's nose (or maybe even with their consent) I think his use of humour in that movie masks what the picture is actually about.

I think ultimately it comes down to balance - just the same as it does with any aspect of a given film. If there's too much action you just get overloaded and it's less meaningful. For instance, toward the end of MOS I was thinking 'so are they ever gonna stop flying around and hitting each other?'

People often give Marvel shit for the humour in their films but without it you just have the same kind of films over and over. Even masterpieces like The Godfather had humorous elements - it's just about using them in the right way
gamecreatorjj - 7/14/2014, 2:13 AM
@Maxi I dont know if you did that on purpose
Doopie - 7/14/2014, 2:50 AM
@nailbiter111

Maybe change it and put it on main? I think the quality is high enough and Nova raises some good points
NovaCorpsFan - 7/14/2014, 3:26 AM
@nailbiter
Wrote this at two in the morning,finished it by nearly four a.m. I just didn't have the brain capacity to come up with anything better.
Doopie - 7/14/2014, 3:31 AM
lol. I make most of my articles at work. It can be hard to disguise what I'm doing sometimes but I need something to pass the damn time
NeoBaggins - 7/14/2014, 3:43 AM
I do all my stuff at work too lol If they checked my desk top they'd find folders of cbm pics and word docs with movie reviews and articles.

[frick]'em
WinterSoldier33 - 7/14/2014, 3:46 AM
it actually began with X2

I don't mind humor in CBM but when there is to much like iron man 3 and not funny like iron man 3 then i don't like it
dethpillow - 7/14/2014, 3:54 AM
great article. i disagree with a lot in it tho.
i think just saying humour... is too broad of a thing to really end up making sense across different examples. it's like saying do we like writing that is intelligent, do we like tension in films, or excitement. humour is too broad. everybody likes humour regardless of what they complain about. and Iron Man 3 isn't any objective example of bad humour. Shane Black is a certain way. when I saw the movie at first i feel like i probably would've agreed with you more, maybe. but i came out of it just feeling more like it was disjointed and kinda schizophrenic. and now i've come to really love that about the movie.

i mean, with humour too, to say that Dark Knight didn't have a ton of humour in it is just way off the mark, i think. but it wasn't written by Goyer, it was all in how Ledger delivered things. watching Joker in that, that just made me so happy, i was laughing the whole time. great, great stuff, great performance. and just the way someone delivers things can be incredibly funny.

When they try to do jokes in the Batman movies, it might work if the jokes weren't so bad. that's bad writing, i think. and a lot of people could say that about Iron Man 3 too. stuff like some of the jokes at the end, i try not to even register those when i see a movie. those are like all the dumb action/summer movie type junk that has just been annoying since i was a little kid. stuff like Jurassic Park kind of jokes, X-Men 2 Nightcrawler jokes, TDKR's 'my wife' jokes, MOS' horrible banter between Superman and Lois and the army girl thinking he's cute. it's all bad Spielberg type stuff. and i don't think it's even written to be funny, it's just written for I don't know why...

but i doubt that it's actually trying to be funny. it's more just trying to be submissive or something. or make the audience feel comfortable, i guess. it's a strange thing about these movies. and Marvel is chock full of that stuff too. there's a way to pull it off, but Iron Man 3 definitely didn't pull it off well. Trevor is hilarious tho. tony is hilarious, Happy is great. that's all humor from the performance and more like the characters reacting to the words rather than like "joke,joke/punchline" type of things.

so there's bizarre ways that they mishandled some parts and how they wrote it, but there's also genuine rad humour in Iron Man 3.

an example of what kind of things are funny sometimes. look at this panel from the first issue of Original Sin...
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and the thing that cracks me up, even now when i had to find it to post it, is the delivery on Thor's line. haha. this panel made me really fall for Original Sin, where after i saw this, i was like Aaron's got it, he's on one, this is gonna be great. and so far, i really dig the series.

but see what i mean? a lot of people wouldn't think anything was funny about that. they'd just be like Thor is saying how serious things are. but it's not just that. it's intentional. even if Aaron didn't realize how funny that is, it only goes to show how great a writer he is that he is channeling the true character of Thor unconsciously. cuz that's spot on Thor, and it's hilarious.

early Avengers were hilarious in this same way. it's not the silly names they called each other, it's everything. and those writers weren't dummies either, they were doing that on purpose. i'm sure of it. people maybe like to chalk up to kitsch on that level, but no... those guys knew exactly what they were doing. they truly are giants.
Doopie - 7/14/2014, 3:59 AM
^^^ agreed. My work comp is full of pics and half finished scripts and editorials. I should really delete it all before I leave the job.
dethpillow - 7/14/2014, 4:14 AM
the bigger thing behind the "humour wars" directed at Marvel Studios,
it's really about this whole thing that DC has with their image. and of trying to differentiate themselves and brand themselves as being the more "adult" publisher. and it comes, a lot of it, from pure insecurity of the years and years they got trashed for being absolutely ridiculous. Marvel had a jump on that, so DC was ragged on about this for a long time.

then they just invested a little too hard, i think, in this donnie darko thing. and they tried to impose it as some kind of solution across their whole line, editorially, top down. which I think could only be a mistake for a lot of their characters. but it's kind of a thing that's still clung to as the differentiator between DC and Marvel.

so lots of fans of DC, this is their way of saying..."yeah, sure Marvel is making money off all the kids and dumb people, but over here at DC, this is the adult fare, this is the serious stuff. this is very deep, becuz it's more PG-13 than that other thing. they need jokes, well we have capital letters."
and you'll see this all the time this weird assumption that artistic integrity has anything to do with censor boards.

people will always say stuff like...'no way they're gonna let Superman die in this movie, they don't have the balls.'

which is one of the weirdest things to me. what do balls have to with anything like this?, but i understand how stupid people are, so i get what they're trying to say. but even then, it's this dumb assumption that good things have to do with being more PG-13 than another thing.

and the humour thing is coming from exactly this same place. exactly.
it really doesn't have to do with the movies themselves, it has to do with other things people are worried about. that's why it makes so little sense when you stop and break it down and think about it.

cuz look at this... i hate action movies. i think they're stupid. but i just don't watch them. and i don't think about them. they don't exist to me, pretty much. Transformers? didn't exist. i don't have to pay attention to it, so I don't. Expendables, i don't even actually know what else. but it's ignored. it's easy. that's usually what you do when something is stupid to you, and you have no issues with it. it's laughed off, it's forgotten about.

what we see here more, is people who have a definite need to have it reinforced that this thing is bad, and that thing is good. it's not just... this is bad. it's everyone needs to agree that this is bad, cuz it's important to me.

so if you start there, it begins to make a lot more sense.
kong - 7/14/2014, 4:22 AM
I think it's all about placement of the humor and how you market your movie. I know that IM3 looked like the darkest MCU film we had ever had, at that point in the universe, and I was excited for a darker tone with a more challenging threatening villain. That being said I still expected the humor that comes with Tony Stark. It was marketed as something it wasn't so that makes the humor seem even more prominent even though it's not.

The other part, that I think Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 suffered from, was where to put humor. Some great moments were ruined by dumb jokes that fell flat. I believe that if Thor didn't try to be dark, and put some more humor in their trailers and clips it'd be more well received and if they removed some jokes in certain places it would be better as a whole.

GOTG has advertised itself as basically an action/comedy. Not only do I think this is the perfect way to go with this specific franchise, but if they advertised it with a lot of serious dialogue, not too many jokes, a lot more action, and the color scheme was darker, we'd think this was closer to Star Trek Into Darkness vs Spaceballs (not saying it would have the same amount of humor as spaceballs).
DrKinsolving - 7/14/2014, 4:26 AM
Great Article. I don't mind the humor as long as it fits with the tone of the movie. Iron Man 3 would have been fine aside from the Mandarin twist and Pepper saving the day, the PTSD was a bit of a stretch too. It was a Shane Black movie not really an Iron Man movie. I hope they sum it up in Avengers: AOU.
kinghulk - 7/14/2014, 4:32 AM
i remember before iron man 3 was released everyone was complaining about the lack of humour in the trailers so much so kevin feige actually had to reassure every one that there was humor in the film.

funnily enough i just finished watching iron man 3 and it is a good film despite some of it's flaws.
Doopie - 7/14/2014, 4:46 AM
yeah, neither studio/company has total dominion over serious films or more light-hearted stuff. GL proves that WB/DC were willing to give something else a try. the same applies to Marvel with CA: TWS. Sure it has humorous moments but overall it is quite a serious affair.

I can only think as time goes by that they will get more and more refined in what they are trying to achieve. But every now and then it might be nice to see soemthing totally different to what they usually put out
dethpillow - 7/14/2014, 4:55 AM
@0mega - totally, that's actually a more practical and objective way of phrasing it too, what's your saying. but totally. and it goes back to Frank Millers Batman and Sandman and the whole 'graphic novel' thing in the late 80s/early 90s or whatever.

and it's hard to argue with it, cuz that's how things actually end up shaking out inside competition. but i get insulted a lot about the rhetoric of it. becuz people actually end up buying into this whole branding thing and really seeing the world like this. which really, why should i care, right?
but they're talking about Marvel, that's why i care... hahaha.
it's like the Lakers or something. or talking shit about my first dog. haha.

but aside from the rhetoric, it's actually a good thing. that's why i'm excited to see what WB/DC does with their stuff, even tho i'm not a big fan outside of Superman, Wonder Woman and Animal Man. cuz it's gonna be a different way of doing it, cuz that's what happens naturally. but i just wish the humour thing was actually talked about more genuinely than the kind of stuff we see every day here. there's plenty of actual room to criticize what they've done with different films, but it's always reduced to this cartoon version of things.
MightyZeus - 7/14/2014, 5:05 AM
I do enjoy humor in comic book films. Even TDK trilogy does has some subtle hints of humor in it. The kind of humor i don't enjoy is when it's not cleverly written or basically it's just a person spouting out random words where it's cringe inducing and your questioning yourself as to why this is happening!!! eg. Darcy from Thor & Thor The Dark World. If it's lazy humor then basically i won't like it and i won't enjoy the film.

As long as humor does not cloud the film entirely and the story comes first. With GOTG there is humor in the comic books, so i don't mind the fact that the film could be funny and entertaining. Basically the trailers of GOTG have sold the film to me.

On the basis of unintentional humor associated with a comic book film where it's so bad eg. dialogue, scenery, characterisation, plot then that's a problem. An example of unintentional humor would be the film TASM 2.

I'm just the sort of guy that loves variety instead of the same thing over and over and over again where it get's to the point of brain inducing trauma. I'm looking at you Transformers franchise.
MightyZeus - 7/14/2014, 5:09 AM
Oh yeah, i don't mind that Man of Steel basically had little to no humor in it. I'm cool with it and all. I mean before going in to watch Man of Steel and judging by the trailer's we all knew we where going to get a serious interpretation of Superman which i was fine with and Zack Snyder delivered a great reboot to Superman.

Never did i think before watching Man of Steel did i think to myself "i can't wait to see what jokes and humor is going to be in the film."

If DC/WB's started copying Marvel's formula then there would be no variety.
dethpillow - 7/14/2014, 5:51 AM
@AlmightyZeus - agreed, indeed.

@0mega - i don't even know what's going on with Lakers. my mom's barely on speaking terms with the word, and i've just been following in and out cuz it really depends on how much she watches Lakers. when she's into it, i'll go over as often as i can and watch games with her, but this last year or two, she's barely been mentioning them. i just want Kobe gone. once he's gone, i can think about it again. but he just makes me so mad. i can't believe we let Shaq retire in some god knows where town, just left him out to dry like that. dude is a true champion.

what a revoltin development. i'm gonna try and follow this season and get her excited about it again. Lakers have never been about only winning, not in LA, and maybe she just needs a little push or something. haha. but yeah, this summer's hasn't been full of any good news for them really. besides the coach leaving. i mean they kinda dug themselves in a hole, i guess.
RextheKing - 7/14/2014, 6:39 AM
Great write up, but I do have to disagree with you on the humor in Iron Man 3. I do agree the humor was the worst part of the film, but not so much it was a bad film.
cipher - 7/14/2014, 7:39 AM
Excellent as always.

I don't really have anything to add here that wouldn't just be a regurgitation of what a few others have already said, so yeah..

Thumbs up, bud.

:D
cipher - 7/14/2014, 7:43 AM
I've never had a problem with humour, really. I mean, it all depends how it's handled, but yeah.. I can't imagine going through life without a sense of humour. Laughs are how I've dealt with 90% of the shit I've gone through.

My girlfriend always says I missed my calling as a stand-up comedian. I tell her she's got me confused with somebody who's actually funny.

I don't think I'm funny.
GliderMan - 7/14/2014, 9:05 AM
I WANT AS MUCH HUMOR AS POSSIBLE. SHOVE IT IN THERE EVERY CHANCE YOU GET.

Seriously, these people are complaining about LAUGHING.

Just a typical case of humans searching for something to complain about.
NeoBaggins - 7/14/2014, 9:38 AM

"If DC/WB's started copying Marvel's formula then there would be no variety."-Zues

MercwithMouth - 7/14/2014, 10:06 AM
I love humour. I like funny humour, strange humour, gross humour, dirty humour, and even unfunny humour.

That being said... The Dark Knight Trilogy was amazing. Probably the best CBM trilogy ever made. Iron Man Trilogy is a close second.

And I loved the humour in the Iron Man Trilogy, especially in Iron Man 3. The movie was simply phenomenal. Maybe it's my love of 80'2 buddy cop films, maybe it's RDJ (who is simply put, the best actor to ever grace a CBM in a leading role), I don't know. But everything about that movie clicked for me. The Mandarin twist was executed perfectly, Tony was on point, even Harley was entertaining.

There was definitely some stuff in Thor 2 that missed the mark. Darcy and the intern receive a lot of hate, and most is deserved (I still laughed a few times). Dr. Selvig was hilarious (if you had been controlled by the scepter and seen the universal knowledge he saw, you'd probably go bat-shit crazy, too).

I think, though, it's just different strokes for different folks. Mantinium would be here whining about Mandarin doing sex acts, and Justin Hammer having a bitch, while me on the other side, would be saying, chill, it's just a little levity.

It all boils down to personal preference. That simple.
staypuffed - 7/14/2014, 7:01 PM
Iron Man 3 and Man of Steel were fantastic.
staypuffed - 7/14/2014, 7:02 PM
Thought I would add that, seeing as though you say that most CBM fans dislike those movies.

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