EDITORIAL: Marvel, Warner Brothers, Fox, and Just Those in Between!

EDITORIAL: Marvel, Warner Brothers, Fox, and Just Those in Between!

This fun article is about dissecting the overall mindset one gets from reading fan comments on this site. I am a marvel, WB, and Fox fan. I take the good and the bad. WARNING: If you are easily offended, Don't read this, now hit the jump!

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By LastAvenger99 - 1/30/2014
In this article I want to examine the mindset of the different cults known as the Marvelites, The use-to-be Nolanites, who have now morphed into WB fans, the Fox fanboy; then there are those people like me (who just enjoy a good superhero movie regardless of the studio making it). While I thought the Avengers was all around fun I also thought Iron man 3 and Thor 2 fell flat after being over hyped. While My heart stopped for those few minutes watching a Dark Knight trailer I call the Green Lantern an abomination. While the Amazing Spider-Man 2 looks awesome the first movie just didn't do it for me. X-men first Class and X2 were good to me while the rest were shit.


CASE ONE: MARVEL STUDIO FANS



Now these have to be some of the most passionate and supportive fans I know! And for good reason I admit. Marvel studios has proven it CAN be done how the fans like it but at the end of the day we are still making a movie not just for the die hard fans. With the release of Marvel's The Avengers helmed by Joss Whedon Marvel fans were unstoppable. Whenever another Marvel Superhero movie is bashed its always "Joss Whedon would never!" "Quicksilver looks like shit Joss whedon is laughing." Yes the Avengers was awesome only a fool would say other wise but it was also over hyped in my opinion while it was good it wasn't THAT GOOD! In a Marvel studios fans mind they do NO WRONG. Everything Marvel does is creative and going in a new direction and in Marvel we trust, even when they decided to go a different direction with the source material! Never mind the Mandarin looked stupid and wasn't like his comic representation but hell its MARVEL STUDIOS so the plot makes since, the twist was good and we just didn't understand it, well in that case the ending of The Dark knight Rises is a master piece! While Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch will have to be changed from the source material its ok because Whedon really wants them in his movie and the actors are amazing.



When Ant-man was announced fans were happy after it came out that Paul Rudd would be cast as the lead and that Hank Pym would be an older man while some said blahh majority of Marvel fans didn't cry outrage it was rather We trust marvel and they are going in an interesting direction. Yet The casting of Gal Godot as wonder woman is just plain bullshit. I like Joss whedon but you have to admit he has become a near God to marvel fans! Its ok to say Zack Synder is bad or Chris Nolan is over hyped but don't you dare speak against almighty Joss! Sure some directors are more comic mindful than some but at the end of the day these are MOVIE DIRECTORS, artist in their own right. We don't compare Michelangelo to Andy Warhol cause they are two separate artist with two separate visions. You may not like ones art but the artist deserves respect.



While this becomes a different direction and Marvel are doing creative things.


This becomes the worse thing on earth.



Warner Brothers fans are tricky because while some defend WB others will honestly say hey We love you Warner Brothers but please get your shit together. There is no doubt that after the success of the Avengers WB said hey ok maybe Justice League can work. Although a Justice League movie had been in the works before it fell flat for many reasons and im kinda glad it did. With the Advent of Chris Nolan it would seem New life was breathed into the DC universe, but I for one believe Nolan as good as he is only breathed new life into Batman Not the DC universe. Green Lantern was that attempt and failed miserably all comic fans pretty much agree the movie was shit lol. Chris gave us the Batman we needed to let us know yes there still is hope but not the Batman we deserve. Warner Brother fans need to realize WB does not know what they are doing and yes looking to Marvel could be an option for them i say if it helps go for it. But what Marvel fans need to realize is not every hero is easy to get right like Iron man or The hulk . I wouldn't want the same tone of Thor in a Batman movie. Iron man works because he embodies something totally different than superman.
I look at DC heroes more as Gods walking among men while Marvel is more the hero could be your uncle. Its nothing wrong with that but some things are just hard to get right. I am NOT defending Warner Brothers because they should stop being scared and get their shit together yes Green Lantern scared them but that's the fault of the script no the hero.


Could WB benefit giving DC their own little branch off studio..HELL YES but since they don't want to I say get it together or just don't make nothing at all and WB die hard fans need to realize that. Chris was good he wasn't great! Batman begins was amazing and while The Dark knight was good re-watching it today it became boring. Man of Steel was a amazing movie and a good attempt to get the DC off their asses but the movie could have been better!



Next we have the FOX defenders. Now YES Fox hasn't given us trully any good type of Superhero Movie except maybe first Class and Dredevil the directors cut. Marvel Studios fans like to bash Fox but don't you forget thats where your roots are lol and if it wasn't for Fox their would be no Marvel Studios. Fantastic four was shit, Elektra? whoever that is lol. Most of the X-men *face palm* and so on. I'm not defending Fox and I believe if their is ANY STUDIO that we as comic fans should look at contempt with its Fox! With X-men:DOFP upon us many show such hatred towards Fox and I can honestly see why. Fox fans need to realize that Fox just like WB does not know what they are doing. The new Fantastic four idk what thats about, and i believe X-men is Fox golden child for comic book movies. Fox fans need to realize just like WB they don't know what they are doing and are trying to work with what they have. Marvel fans need to get off their high horses and realize that not all studios want the same tone as Marvel studio films. One thing I give WB than I give Fox or Marvel is WB seems to trust their directors. Fox only seem to trust Singer and Marvel well if you dare say as a director or actor I want this then you can expect your job won't be there in the sequel lol.




Then their are those of us in between that love all comic movies whether its Batman or Captain America, Fox or Marvel. We sit back and laugh at the hatred shown and try to bring reasoning into the situation while avoiding being call a MCU hater etc. I for one have experienced more backlash from the Marvel camp than anyone else and I LOVE MARVEL STUDIOS and what they are doing. But at the same time I can sit at a X-men movie and take it for what it is. Here are just some things that could help these are just my opinions nothing personal im neutral and just notice this as a movie lover .

1: Marvel Studios to me uses the same formula when I go into their movies while I am excited to see whats in store I'm also prepared for pretty much the same outcome and comedy and undeveloped villains. Loki is about as close as a developed villain we've gotten. Now I know story is different to most people but to me Marvel only excels in the Visual department. They sure know how to get fans going. My suggestion is drop this toy making comedy tone and go back to Iron man 1 and the Incredible Hulk. I also believe Marvel suffers from being over hyped if a movie critic gives marvel a bad rating it has nothing to do with them hating marvel cause green lantern received worse from critics.

2. If WB with their Dc wants to truly stand out i say give them their own world and when I say that I mean look. I love when DC gives Batman and even Superman that Art deco and dark deco look and could really make their movies stand out visually. WB needs to understand its ok to take a risk. They did it with Green lantern yes but that failed cause if its own reasons. TRUST YOUR HEROES Wb has sooooooooooooo much potential. I mean your heroes are basically Gods in their own right and when Gods clash you can guarantee they will leave a mark!

3. Fox needs to stop trust source material to a degree of course not copy the script page from page from a comic but to bring in visually creative directors. Bryan is ok at best but Visually X-men can be better and which is why I'm so excited to see DOFP because visually it does look a bit different. I say Fox get a creative team together or go home.

Again this is article is purely for FUNNNNNNNNNNN! If i offended you im sorry. But please COMMENT BELOW im not saying im right about any of this lol!

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Klone - 1/30/2014, 10:00 AM
A War Is Coming To Thy Thread
LastAvenger99 - 1/30/2014, 10:21 AM
lol @SotoJuiceMan I agree lol the whole ruined childhood stuff is funny to me
DeathstrokeTerminator - 1/30/2014, 10:24 AM
I agree, give DC comics their own movie studio WB. Maybe some shit will get done faster. I pray to god that in 2016 WB finally gets their plan together and can AT LEAST give us 1 DC movie a year so we won't have to wait 3-4 years for one like now.
cipher - 1/30/2014, 10:27 AM
Is there a category for unapologetic drunks with a fondness for punk rock? I don't think I fit into any of the factions 'round here.

I'm too bloody ambiguous.
cipher - 1/30/2014, 10:27 AM
I want a cult of followers. Wouldn't that be nice? I'll call them cipherites.
MexicanSuperman - 1/30/2014, 10:27 AM
Good article. I like most cbm, even ones people hate. I could careless what studio makes cbm, and the only thing that matters to me is that I enjoy the film. I don't think Marvel Studios make the best films that they can possibly do, Fox need to be a little more faithful the comics, WB needs faith in their characters and make more films based on characters other then Superman and Batman, and Sony just needs good writers.
cipher - 1/30/2014, 10:28 AM
Ignore me. Not enough caffeine.
kinghulk - 1/30/2014, 10:33 AM
i think most of your points are valid, regarding changes to characters like the mandrin or old pym im ok with it as long as the film end up being good. i would have prefered a real mandarin but im still happy with what we got.
Klone - 1/30/2014, 10:34 AM
*slaps cipher in the face with Soto's personal dildo before splashing blacksuperhero's acid in his face*
Pasto - 1/30/2014, 11:00 AM
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!
DefcoN - 1/30/2014, 11:13 AM
Wait, what about Sony?? Also, I thought Fox Fans were merely a myth.
McNyagano - 1/30/2014, 11:15 AM
Oh boy.......

Odin - 1/30/2014, 11:29 AM
@MexicanSuperman You said it, man.
GoldSlayer1 - 1/30/2014, 11:33 AM
I'd like to consider myself neutral in the "wars"

But as for Which Comic stories i like better, im leaning towards DC.
I just find DC more appealing.
and from my OPINION (that's right, an opinion, dont get butthurt)

Marvel Animated Couldn't hold a candle to DC Animated.
keep in mind that both companies have full rights to their characters in the animated world, so there's none of that blaming the studios BS.

The only 2 redeeming shows that they had for Marvel Animated (which were good shows, but not super great) were Spectacular Spiderman and Avengers: EMH.
Both were cancelled for their downgrade shows Ultimate Spiderman and Avengers Assemble. just flat out terrible....

You might be asking me "Why bring up animation?"
ill take 5+ Animated movies over 1 decent live action.
And animated movies are underrated IMO.

It took an Estimated $3.5 Million to make JL: Flashpoint Paradox, JL: War, JL: Doom

Imagine how many GOOD animated movies (that's right plural) you can make with $200 million.
TheGoddamnPeel - 1/30/2014, 11:33 AM
For the part about Warner Bros. and DC, I honestly agree as the main problem is trying to spend two years on each big film, and trying to compromise big buildups by just going straight to the biggest blockblusters.

I cannot help but feel that if WB had their own private film studio for DC, they would consider either further establishing Superman in his own films before Justice League, or preparing for the JL movie rather than going straight into it after Batman vs Superman. That's a problem caused by WB trying to get movies out quickly, but not doing it properly.
Odin - 1/30/2014, 11:33 AM
Also, I have said this before, words like rape should not be used like they are being used on this site's comments. It's not something to joke about, and if you say you're not joking, well then you don't know shit about real world(you know that place where people always say you should go, but you never feel like going).
MrCameron - 1/30/2014, 11:40 AM
TREVOR SLATTERY IS THE GREATEST MOVIE VILLAIN OF ALL TIME!!!! [FRICK] HEATH LEDGERS JOKER AND [FRICK] IAN MCKELLAN'S MAGNETO!!!! THIS IS HOW YOU DO A VILLAIN!

MrCameron - 1/30/2014, 11:45 AM
NOLAN NEEDS TO TAKE NOTES FROM SHANE BLACK ON HOW TO MAKE AN EPIC VILLAIN!!!!!
Pedrito - 1/30/2014, 12:24 PM
@Soto
I've seen your comments about IM removing his chest piece and asking why he didn't remove it earlier. Sure, they didn't really explain why he kept it for so long in the first place. If he knew someone (in China) who could help him, why didn't he go to him sooner, right?
The movie hinted that he had grown dependent on the Iron Man persona, or that he was Iron Man not by choice but by necessity. But the rest is open to interpretation, somewhat.

I have a close friend who once, speaking to her therapist, mentioned casually that she needed a new prescription for her glasses, indeed she had been needing to get new glasses for a while. My friend was shocked when the therapist asked her, "in which other ways do you fail to take care of yourself?"

I think many of us humans maintain habits that are harmful to ourselves, for fear of facing and admitting erroneous aspects of our nature. So Stark's negligence didn't puzzle me very much.

At the end of IM3, Stark decides to take care of his personal life and put Pepper and himself first. It's not a bad way to "end" a trilogy, knowing that he can come back if he chooses to. But he's not carrying part of the suit with him at all times anymore, and thus he's not burdened to suit up.
BenjiWest - 1/30/2014, 12:25 PM
Call em out!!!!!!!!!!!
PeterPetrelliParker - 1/30/2014, 12:30 PM
FOX's take on superheroes is proof that Andy Kauffman is still alive and making comedy. I mean, how do you take 3 incredible franchises (FF, DD, X-Men) and just drive them into the ground? Terrible casting, awful writing, and crappy visuals.
dethpillow - 1/30/2014, 12:47 PM
WB fans, i call em the Goyerists.

there's some sickly and perverted about that which i think suits them.
almost like how Porky Pig lurks around wearing a shirt but no pants with that little weird corkscrew tail poking out from his pudgy little mound there..

almost like that... Goyerist. (shudder) i think it suits them.
dethpillow - 1/30/2014, 12:50 PM
@BrokenBarriers214 - u win my fangz award of the day for merely mentioning Andy Kaufman, and u probably actually are gonna win it for the whole year for displaying such insight...
i can never post this performance enough, i think...
god bless u andy


PeterPetrelliParker - 1/30/2014, 12:54 PM
@dethpillow - haha thanks, someone actually got that.
dethpillow - 1/30/2014, 12:57 PM
@cipher - my friend you already have a cult of followers, indeed, i think we both share the same cult of followers.

they are known as they walk this material plane by the title...BARTENDERS.
:)
dethpillow - 1/30/2014, 1:23 PM
@0mega - indeed. like Apollo Creed.
LastAvenger99 - 1/30/2014, 1:26 PM
@0megaDaGod

this isnt an assumption this how most on this site act. not comic fans everywhere but the ones on this site
dethpillow - 1/30/2014, 2:17 PM
i think also, everyone is missing the point about WB...
it's not just that they need to have trust in their characters...
gimme a break.

this is like in a job interview when they ask you "What's your biggest flaw?"

and u say something, "my biggest flaw is that i care so much about my job and making sure i always do a good job that sometimes i even do too good of a job at it."

or "my biggest flaw is that i'm so perfect and good at everything that it's a flaw there aren't five of me to do everything here."

then flash a greasy cheeked monkey child grin at the interviewer...

c'mon, maybe read your own stuff and see what i mean.

WB cultists biggest flaw is their gullibility for the $10 Cheeseburger.
you see it's a cheeseburger, it's just being marketed at you as being an "Exquisite Dining Experience To Span Time And Ages Concurrently".

so it's basically as some people have so truly pointed out the market of pretentious teenagers. it's like the common man's brain twister, which i'm not insulting the intelligence of anyone, cuz all of us are common women or common men, even if we're also uncommen women or uncommen men.

but if you're really gonna profile these different groups, this is one of the core traits you see appearing there, this belief that somehow this stuff is more (blank)... blank being dark, deep, epic, all kinds of funny thinky feel words. i mean these things are actual qualities too, and it's totally right on and valid to say WB movies are more dark, deep, epic than Fox,Sony, Marvel movies, that can totally be true, but it's more a generalized cultish trait when it's expressed as a sense of given authority or trueness for dumb ass reasons.

if you're gonna get to the psychology of a 'Marvelite' one of the things you're missing also is the contingent of those who just always side with winners. these 'winners' are the kind most likely to run around being bullies and lording over others cuz they just savor the feeling of being on a 'winning' side. this actually accounts for a certain amount of the ugliness in 'Marvelites'. these people, actually are not people like Intruder. Intruder was a Marvel cat 100%, in my definition, not just in it for the winning.
and that's a whole different dysfunction.

anyways as soon as winds change, as they are bound to, these 'winners' will be suddenly aligned with some new cult group. whoever is on top, 'winners' will be there sucking em off, happily. they are the worst kind of bullies and fake thinkers.

i'm personally a 100% Marvel cat, that's half of my dysfunction, but being that doesn't mean that i actually think un-Marvel things suck. for the most part, i'm just not interested in anything un-Marvel. Marvel Comics i mean, so X-Men, Spidey and FF all fall under the umbrella of Marvel Comics. and people like me are gonna be especially critical of when X-Men is treated like

The Boo Boo Gang
The Futuristic Postman Gimps
The New Lords of the Bald Encephalo Rave Mechanic or
Bowling Alley Repairmen Military Strike Team

whatever weird thing Fox might act like is called X-Men.
and Boo Boo Gang movies can be totally rad,just why do they have to be called X-Men? i like Bowling Alley Repairmen Military Strike Team movies as much as the next guy. believe me i do.

100% Marvel cats can come off as pretentious and/or dismissive sometimes, but look a little closer and they really aren't. they're some of the happiest and most loving people you'll ever find on this miserable ball of dirty shit planet.
:")

silly thing is most people aren't gonna feel like they're any category, cuz we are brainwashed to buy into the loner archetype. in modern culture i mean.
this is a form of vaccination that the sytem at large has developed to subvert revolution and any possible true sociopathic movements.

basically why Batman is more popular than Superman. but that's kind of a different topic, but it's like how everyone thinks that everyone else is a bad driver, and the same reason why it always seems like the line you're waiting in is going slowest.

i love everyone i've ever met. :P
dethpillow - 1/30/2014, 2:30 PM
oh and whatever, Fox 'enthusiasts' i'm not even gonna open that whole bag of worms, cuz there's weirdness going on all over the place there and it's actually rude to confront them in public about it.

i think. they're making like really major breakthroughs in therapy every day tho, and pretty soon we'll be at the point where maybe these people can be rehabilitated and somehow integrated into the human race again.

so just didn't wanna leave them out.

people who are most into Sony.... well. i don't know if there's much to say about that. hmmmm. weird. there just isn't i guess. probably they're just Spider-Man freaks and don't really care much about other things.

i think Sony is usually more like a secondary degree earned in some kind of major that more specifically hates Marvel. like you get a major in Goyeristics, but u minor in Sony... u know what i mean?

if you ever meet someone that majors in Sony, then u should probably just think of the quickest most polite excuse to get as far away from them as possible, cuz they're gonna be the real oddballs, and strange ducks in the ballroom.

i think it's important too, to point out, that just like we got the 'winners' masquerading as Overlords of Marvel Studios, we also got the 'underdogs', and they'll kinda spread their energy pretty evenly on anything that's not the territory of the 'winners'. these people for the most part are just pretty decent chaps, and actually are cool. it's sort of a reactive stance, agreed, but these people are mostly revolted by the thought of being a 'winner'.

or at least acting like one. this is also a thing out culture is brainwashing into us as a 'vaccination' against true revolution.

anyways, nuff said bub.
dethpillow - 1/30/2014, 2:40 PM
oh and at the author - if you ever start to find TDK to bore you, then please, man... stop, drop and kick start your heart.

maybe don't watch it for a while, but Ledger's Joker is just painful to hear the thought of boring mentioned anywhere around that. that performance is hilarious, right on, real deal and bigger than life in the actual way that comic books are bigger than life. boring does not exist within it. i don't ever put on John Coltrane on purpose to listen to him. same with jimi hendrix, same with most Cure song....but i would never use the word boring to describe why i don't.
i've just heard them a million times, and i'm spoiled on the perfection of them.
when that stuff comes on the radio tho, you can believe my mind is always melting at how right on those things are to me.
i know you were making a point, but watch out for closing yourself off from beauty just to feel more objective about things. love what u love, who's business is it really? you know?
cipher - 1/30/2014, 2:41 PM
Hahahahahaha, "The Boo Boo Gang".

Nice.
H3LLBLAZER - 1/30/2014, 2:42 PM
@blacksuperhero4

Superman= Zeus God of Gods
Batman= Hades Lord of Darkness
Aquaman= Poseidon King of The Seven Seas
Wonder Woman= Athena Goddess of Warfare
Green Lantern= Apollo God of Light
Flash= Hermes God of The Travelers
Cyborg= God of Metalworkings

But even gods have flaws. Oh, and by the way we like to be referred to as DCKNIGHTS!
GliderMan - 1/30/2014, 2:42 PM
Christian Bale.
cipher - 1/30/2014, 2:43 PM
I still think I can rock the shit out of that silver whatever-the-f*ck Pietro's wearing.
dethpillow - 1/30/2014, 2:49 PM
@MarkOfTheDemon- dickknights?
you like to be referred to as a dick knight?
haha...
ok, if that's what u say, fine with me...
dethpillow - 1/30/2014, 2:52 PM
@cipher - totally right? i actually like the outfit, if it wasn't for the goggles, really and maybe like half the utility belt. but besides that...
sneakers, jeans, shirt, leather jacket, headphones...
pretty rad, and what a glam rocker Bowie kid would be wearing. i dig it too.

but it's just the little things.. u know? but yeah, u gotta rock the little things too, just be natural about it i guess, and totally it's gonna look better on film than that picture. movement. all that.

u know that they're gonna feature All You Pretty Things in DOFP, right?
that alone just makes it worth all the hardships along the way...
that is perfect.
H3LLBLAZER - 1/30/2014, 2:56 PM
If you guys were wondering Cyborg is supposed to be Hephaestus, I just forgot to add that.
dethpillow - 1/30/2014, 2:56 PM
@MarkOfTheDemon - and I'd say Superman woulds either be Apollo or Prometheus.
personally that's my feel for the guy. i guess Apollo.


Green Lantern would be more some kind of god of illusion... i'm not sure who would fit best... hmm. interesting way of looking at them tho.
Green Lantern actually i think would be Hades, possibly. no. tho that's not right either. good question tho... but not Apollo, man.

and Batman maybe would have to be a mortal hero, a tragic hero like Achilles.

yeah, Batman would be a tragic hero, no doubt.
dethpillow - 1/30/2014, 2:57 PM
he's not a god, you know? that what kinda makes him cool.
dethpillow - 1/30/2014, 3:00 PM
cipher gets to be Dionysus.
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