EDITORIAL: Why I'm Almost Certain "The Gentleman" is "Ezekiel" In TASM2

EDITORIAL: Why I'm Almost Certain "The Gentleman" is "Ezekiel" In TASM2

With the TASM2 trailers we've seen eels are involved with Electro's inception as well as Vulture's wings and Ock's tentacles. What does any f this have to do with Michael Massee's "The Gentleman" you may ask? Well, hit the jump to see what I'm thinking.

A while back I posted an editorial in which I speculated on Massee's character being Ezekiel, whom some of you may know of from the Spidey story, Coming Home. In this, a man called Ezekiel with powers similar to Peter's shows up out of the blue and decides to inform Peter he's involved in a ritualistic and totemic battle. A battle which spans the animal kingdom, in order to determine the top predator. Then a guy called Morlun turned up and beat Spidey to a pulp, all the while feeding off the radiation in Spidey's blood. But I'm straying off topic, we're here to discuss a possible connection between "The Gentleman" and this, "Ezekiel".

I'll start with the eel thing. In the latest trailer for TASM2, we see Electro fall into a container full of electric eels. This, coupled with some input from wires and whatever else fell in there with him, grants him his powers. This means that Electro's abilities stem from animals.

As I said above, Ezekiel told Spidey about a totemic battle to dtermine the greatest predator. So far, Spidey has faced a Lizard and, thought they aren't predatory creatures, he'll be facing a Rhino. We also know that Vulture and Dock Ock will have to be turning up eventually as there was a blatant easter egg as well as the confirmation of a movie.

So, the Gentleman and Ezekiel, where's the link I'm making? Basically it's this:

The Gentleman assembles the Sinister Six, and I'm pretty sure we all knew that at this stage. It would seem that the majority of the villain team, will comprise of characters who have gained their powers through interactions with animals or their suits making them like animals. Here is where I bring in the Ezekiel assumption. What if The Gentleman is Ezekiel, who is trying to prove that Spider-Man is the ultimate predator? He is assembling this team of villains, all of whom fit the bill for this totemic battle of the species.

In a nutshell, the Gentleman could be Ezekiel trying to drive Peter towards his true destiny, leading to a showdown between him and Morlun in TASM4. Of course, that's only if Marc Webb sticks to source material, which it doesn't seem he's a huge fan of so far, at least not when it comes to character design. With the exception of the new Spidey suit, that's just perfect.

We also know that all the villains will come from Oscorp. If the Gentleman is a rival businessman of Osborn, he could use the company's involvement with the SS tech and bring them down, using Peter as a tool in that situation.

Whatever happens, I hope to God it's better storytelling than the first TASM. I'm getting a sense it may just be that from the trailers, but we'll have to wait and see now, won't we?

That's all my thoughts on the matter. What do you guys think? Be sure to leave your own theories in the comments section below, I'll see you next time.
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Platinum - 2/8/2014, 9:21 PM
It's probably Mendel Stromm, Spencer Smythe or a rejuvenated Norman Osborn. Ezekiel is just too far out there at this point.

I think updated version of the coming home story line would make an awesome reboot down the line though.
charlie2094 - 2/8/2014, 9:39 PM
Some interesting ideas, really enjoyed the "Coming Home" arc, but think the whole Ezekial stuff might be too hard to pull off properly, might be a bit too out there for general audiences, but we'll see, be cool to see try something like it

Platinum - 2/8/2014, 11:08 PM
So the bad guy's plan in TASM was to hope Peter would eventually walk into Oscorp years later and sneak through the purposefully shoddy security on the off chance he'll get bit by the genetically altered Spiders?

Sounds like an insane Batman gambit.
dethpillow - 2/8/2014, 11:36 PM
good stuff, good article.
this makes sense to me, as Ezekiel was a businessman of the weirdest and most high level, 'Illuminati-esque' status. so I could see them combining the characters, especially as Gentleman is so obscure and really doesn't have a lot of strong characteristics from what i've heard about him.

but you combine like Russian mob ties, Chameleon ties, which all that is being introduced in this movie, at least, indirectly thru Rhino's insertion in the story. we'll have to see how that plays out. but combine that with Ezekiel and all his animal obsession.

but I'd make it less like Ezekiel was some kind of omnipotent master that orchestrated all this for Peter's good. I'm not sure if that's what you're saying, but @Pending's comment above shows how too much of that would come off as false. he'd still be what he is but more of a neutral invisible hand on events that was guiding this research on animal genes and blending them with humans. He'd still have a mystical and occult outlook on things, but realize that science was the way to implement this. and Madame Web could be done as like an associate of his in some way, and she would be the one that maybe had some inkling of how all this would come together. but i used think she was an awful character, but i'm realizing now that they could update her to be real creepy and wicked.

But so Ezekiel is just this kind of neutral force, but when he sees this amazing specimen, Peter Parker, he gets obsessed with finally being able to see who the top predator is, so he takes all these elements that have been shaking out at Oscorp and pitts them as a team against Spider-Man. so it'd be serving two interests, Oscorp's need to rid themselves of this pest as he is the one that keeps bringing their plans to an end and also cuz authorities, with each movie, are gonna start honing in on Oscorp as being the culprit here, and start taking them apart and ruining them. but it would also serve his position as honestly just wanting to see who would come out on top.

then that'd be the Sinister Six film and Ezekiel would be kind of the mastermind and head villain of that one. but at the end he would escape. then do the Venom movies and Clone Saga, maybe that'd be 3-5 movies on their own, some of them including other foes as main story while the larger arc plays out in the background, but then...

after that, then you do a real Morlun movie, and Ezekiel reappears, but this time as Peter's guide, just as he is in the comic books. that'd be wicked.

I always see an Ezekiel/Morlun film as being later in any series of Spider-Man films. it's a story that serves better once Spider-Man has been around the block, is established and then boom, all this stuff comes out about fate and animal totems and stuff. it wouldn't work as well to interject while you are building the character i think. it's more of a retrospective looking back on his life kind of story, to me.

but i love this idea, i think you're on to something great with that. totally.
gamecreatorjj - 2/8/2014, 11:51 PM
Guys it's Jackal, Andrew Garfield wasn't heard anything about TASM4, because he won't be in it, it will be Scarlet Spider
no wait, it'll be 2099
no it'll be miles morales
no it's gonna be spidergirl

The gentlemen could be anybody, I'm saying he is going to a much more recognizable villain though, perhaps Edward Brock Sr, maybe Chameleon pretending to be Osborn.

Which by the way, it might not even be Norman in the hospital bed.
dethpillow - 2/9/2014, 12:38 AM
@gamecreatorjj - yeah, what's the story with the chameleon/Osborn rumors? i tried to read up at another forum board but it's too hard to navigate to the actual theory.

but theory seems to be that Man in Shadows is actually Osborn? and who's in the bed then? Chameleon pretending to be Osborn? cuz if Chameleon was pretending to be Osborn, why would he look like someone that wasn't Osborn?
or if Osborn looks different now, and it's some nameless dying stooge in the bed, why would Man in Shadows be assumed to be Chameleon 'pretending' to be Osborn rather than Osborn himself with his face altered?
i guess i'm unclear on what the basic theory was and just only read people either misunderstanding it or adding in their own theories, cuz it's just a jumble in my head about the whole thing.
BenjiWest - 2/9/2014, 1:06 AM
I think the gentleman is someone related to Peter Parker.
DEVLIN712 - 2/9/2014, 3:16 AM
Good to have ya back Nova. I think the guy's Spencer Smythe, he's gonna be the brains behind the Sinister Six
GliderMan - 2/9/2014, 6:28 AM
Great points. I don't know if it'll be revealed in this movie though..

I really, really hate the way they're handling Electro. It's so unfaithful to the comics I could just spit. Why do they all have to come from Oscorp? That's just weird and frankly unrealistic.
Interestein - 2/9/2014, 8:01 AM
I was thinking Spencer Smythe, but whoever he I'd he'll be the Nick Fury of the Sinister Six!
Zeponi - 2/9/2014, 8:49 AM
I think Michael Massee does look a little like Ezekiel.
MrCameron - 2/9/2014, 12:33 PM
Good theory. I think that this is very plausible and makes a lot of sense.
Bearjew - 2/9/2014, 1:15 PM
Either Spencer Smythe or Ezekiel.
WeddingTux - 2/9/2014, 2:57 PM
yep, I'd say you were correct sir.
WeddingTux - 2/9/2014, 3:05 PM
except for the Sin6 part, I don't believe that's what ASM3 is gonna be about, putting an emphasis on villain overload never works out. the Sinister-6 could very well team up to fight Symbiotes like Venom or Carnage, but Spidey's struggle has always been within himself, the series can't culminate with a bunch of old guys trying to kill him. it'd make more sense the villains to take a backseat in 3, and have their moment in the Venom spin-off where all the main characters are villains. amirite?
dethpillow - 2/9/2014, 3:35 PM
that'd be an interesting way to do it, never thought of that.

u know Spider-Man really needs about 12 movies to even start to do him any justice. i was figuring it out this morning, and if they did a Morlun movie, it should be like the 11th one. haha. never gonna happen, but me being happy with a Spider-Man movie is never gonna happen either, i guess.

what a dumb waste they did with the Lizard. just toss him into the trash, i guess. there's the Lizard... we did it. good.
MightyZeus - 2/9/2014, 5:35 PM
Interesting speculation. I'm thinking it could be Ezekiel but i also assume with the announcement of Smythe it could be him too. It's too early to assume or know who the man in the shadows is or what he is up too and why he hates Peter?

I really hope that the film does not make out to be the man in the shadows Peter's father. That would be awkward and i'd just be questioning as to "why?"

gamecreatorjj - 2/9/2014, 8:55 PM
I think you can't do spiderman's history justice at all on film. They could do the symbiote saga, but it would have to be 3+ movies dealing with symbiotes, Clone saga doesn't work with one movie, hell Green Goblin is ultimately far more meaningful when stretched out over the course of multiple films.

The only way to these characters justice is to say this is Peter Parker, he has been spiderman for years now. He dealt with the symbiote already, he has defeated each of these villains numerous times, gwen died, he is engaged yadda yadda yadda
dethpillow - 2/10/2014, 2:35 AM
@Anno - u know, i've always been real leery of Madame Web stories becuz of what you're saying... the mysticism didn't quite sit well with me in Spidey comics at all. Like all the stuff about the tablets and Kingpin, i just never liked that.

but I could actually see Morlun/Ezekiel as working for like a crazy very last chapter in the series. I wouldn't like it done anywhere in the middle. and yeah, there's some hokey stuff written into it by nature, but it would make me happy to see the series go out like that. if it all the way up to TASM 10. haha. look this is my blueprint...

1 Origin, Kingpin, Enforcers

2 Kingpin, Green Goblin, Rhino, Chameleon, Tinkerer

3 Green Goblin, MJ introduced, Gwen dies, Electro, Chameleon,Tinkerer, Goblin's "death"

4,5 Two part Sinister Six Rhino, Electro, Chameleon, Vulture, Scorpion (JJJ subplot), Doc Ock. led by Gentleman/Ezekiel. Madame Web. Miles Warren, introduce the symbiote black suit (which he needs to beat the Sinister Six)

6 Lizard, Black Cat, Symbiote suit begins taking a toll on Peter, problems with MJ, after defeating Lizard, Peter ditches the suit

7 Venom, Black Cat, Miles Warren, back together with MJ at the end.

8 Kraven, Miles Warren, clones start background arc

9 Jackal, full on Clone Saga, Mysterio

10 Hobgoblin, Green Goblin

11 Morlun, Gentleman/Ezekiel, Madame Web.

and it still leaves out Sandman, Hobgoblin, Spider Slayers, Shocker, Hammerhead.

yeah, i think u need at least 9 to do Spider-Man right. they should save Carnage for a Venom film. they can go nuts there and have Carnage, Venom, Anti-Venom, Toxin all that stuff. keep that stuff out of Spider-Man.
OcciferPing - 2/10/2014, 5:27 AM
I think it's Norman Osborn. Yeah we've seen him in the hospital, but who knows? Maybe he's fine at first in the movie and then gets sick in the hospital. I mean if you watch the Enemies Unite trailer, Norman's voice and that guy's voice are oddly similar. Plus it would be logical for Harry to take over his father's mantle since Norman becomes unable to after having to be hospitalized.

Idk I'm just speculating right now.
dethpillow - 2/11/2014, 12:02 AM
@Anno - rad. see all that street level crime kind of villains is really important to Spider-Man, and I love how u got those spread out consistently thru those. Like how Chameleon is just some guy that can imitate others but he's a legitimate enemy of Spider-Man, used in certain context. and I love the feeling of the older books that on a bad day where Spidey had the flu and under the right circumstance, a room full of guys with guns could present a threat to his life.

I guess it becomes hard to rationalize then, how he's coming up against guys like Doc Ock or Lizard and beating them, but I wish they'd keep him more vulnerable. That's really how I think of him, still... even tho in comics they've sometimes pushed things to a ridiculous level. That's why that issue of him being stuck under the girders works so well. great stuff.

I get obsessed about perfect Spidey series, cuz I'm with u, I don't think it's ever gonna happen that I'm truly happy with any movie on him. But I think it's just impossible. If you could do what Nolan did with Batman, to him, meaning just a solid take on one aspect of the character, that's maybe the best anyone could do for him. But it would still leave me annoyed about the stuff that would necessarily be left out in order to do that.

ANd I don't mean that they should do some more "grounded" take on Spidey, even tho if people look at what I just said, it probably sounds like that's what I want. That's not what I mean, either.

I like in yours, the one with JJJ, Scorpion and a Smythe. I've always thought that a great movie would be combining Scorpion and some kind of Spider Slayers and have it be a JJJ gets in over his head type of movie. Where he starts funding this thing out of hatred for Spidey and at first just to keep an eye on him or counter him, but it starts turning into something serious. That'd easily be enough to carry a whole film.

And it's one of those movies that could be powerful and define the characters and have relevancy, but that nothing would have to change in Spider-Man's life. no epiphanies, no weddings or deaths..,. just tidy up before you go, and leave thru the same door you came in from.

Kraven is one like that, and so is Lizard. especially Lizard, that character has so much subtext in his story that it's crazy to not devote almost an entire movie to him. and it can be done as an early one, a late one, a middle one... it doesn't depend on anything else. It's just purely Lizard vs Spider-Man and what that means, what the implications are. Of course it's good to build up Connors so the change means more, but in theory, it's not tied to any timeline linearity. I just hope one day we can get standalone Spidey movies like that...I guess I like that to a degree about Raimi's but any movie is still gonna feel like it has to pull all this big meaning stuff in Peter's life cuz they're only thinking of making a few of them.
dethpillow - 2/11/2014, 12:05 AM
@Anno - oh and Clones Saga in comics and even the cartoons, has never been very coherent or well done to me either. I think the Ultimate books did it better but still... they barely touched on it.

But this is actually why I very much want a set of films to do the idea justice, cuz I think there's a whole ton of potential there, and this only especially true becuz they've been so mishandled in the original comics.

It's like how if you're gonna cover a song, sometimes it's best to choose a secretly great song that originally was performed poorly. better than doing a great song that already was nailed perfect by the people who wrote it. that's why I'm all for Clones Saga. great song, just what were they thinking when they recorded it? haha.
CaptainAmerica31 - 2/11/2014, 8:03 AM
The gentlemen is the gentlemen. There is actually a character named the gentlemen in the comics. He is responsible for brining the sinister six together in the comics . See where I'm going with this?
CaptainAmerica31 - 2/11/2014, 8:04 AM
I wouldn't say he is Ezekiel. I think he'll just end up being the gentlemen
dethpillow - 2/11/2014, 3:44 PM
@Anno - right on, yeah, i'm down for all that. spider tracers too would be cool, it's really fallen out of the ideal we have of Spider-Man but there's something i've always liked about that too. especially seems good to do when he's younger. and yeah, the light seems like an obvious Batman cop that just didn't stick. but right on, great ideas for the imaginary Spidey series.
definitely an obsession of mine too.
dethpillow - 2/11/2014, 4:02 PM
@Anno - honestly on those, i don't have a very clear plan. everything before that, there's actually good reasons why i'd do Lizard especially with Black Cat and symbiote crash/comedown, or why symbiote suit, i think works great as a tool to beat the Sinister Six at first.

everything is real thought out til exactly what u bring up. The Kraven thing is just a Kraven movie. Cuz I think he really deserves a full movie and kinda later in Spidey's career, maybe. not necessarily but i think he's the kind of villain that fits later on. but the clones would just be a presence in the movie, which i guess actually doesn't make as much sense in movies as in comics. hmmmm. that's a good point. cuz the Clone thing the way i see it, pretty naturally builds from the beginning and also from Venom, who i see, similar to TSSM and Ultimate Spider-Man comic, being changed to a man made thing. but relate the clones to that, probably Jackal would be responsible for the symbiote too.

but yeah, the clones should have more of a build up in a way that relates to them, i guess. and for the other two, i just really haven't come up with a good idea for those yet, like exactly what spin would be best to put on the Clones thing. there's a ton of ways they could go, and i've read a lot of interesting theories, but that'd kinda be like the big reveal or whatever...it'd definitely be the hardest one to figure out if you were gonna use it.

and Morlun/Ezekiel, there's really a lot of wacky stuff going on in that story, and it'd have to avoid a lot of the totem animal stuff, i think. that's just personally with me cuz i don't like Spider-Man getting all mystical. but that's mostly on there cuz of this article and i was excited about the idea of him being in a later movie.

so short answer... u got me, i don't know. all the first 7 tho, i could almost recite u act by act how and why those characters were picked.

Spidey's hard to think of any kind of ending for. like with TDKR, u read that ending one way and i read it the other, but it's clear in how his character is built fundamentally that it's gonna come down to one of those two things, i think. Spider-Man not so much, i can't imagine a real ending for him. i guess Superman is like this too and probably most superheroes. Batman is one of the ones that really comes down to a logical bottleneck, i think. and probably a big part of his appeal is how much of a tragic hero he is in this sense. like in the classic Greek sense of a tragic hero, of course. or I guess that's with my reading of it, especially, but there's no other way for Batman then to have to deal with this issue that is presented at the end of TDKR. so it's very satisfying for a trilogy or as a separate object that can exist on it's own.

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