Is Spider-Man 3 Truly a Bad film? or just a good film in disguise?

Is Spider-Man 3 Truly a Bad film? or just a good film in disguise?

Spider-man 3 gets a bad rep but does it truly deserve that title?

So, a lot of people know me know that I get into fits of Nerd rage with TASM film. I do think both films are on par with one another, however Spider-man 3 is a tricky Film. No doubt it gets a rep for being remembered mostly for "Emo Peter" and doing a "terrible job on Venom". However does this film really deserve the crappy treatment it gets?

Not entirely. Before we can do that, there are a few things to make clear, Rami can be blamed for the following:

- Retconing Sandman as Peters uncle Ben's killer

- Adding Harry's Story (although originally he wanted Harry to be "somewhere in between" of becoming his father and being himself.)

- Concept of Peter to learn humility.

Everything else such as Venom, Gwen Stacy, Eddie Brock, and too much stories that ended up crushing the film itself, where all the producers fault. So the next time you want to blame someone blame Avi Arad, Grant Crutis, and the high up's at Sony.

Spider-man 3 is trying it's best to tell a good story and there are some aspects of a good one in there, its sad how it turn out, but I honestly think it gets too much of a bad rep for begin an okay film. something got me thinking, with why so many people have a problem with spider-man 3. The film gets a bad rap. is it a bad film? well no, not really, if anything you can say its on par with the amazing spider-man reboot. Now before you all start complainning about "emo peter's dancing sense." as your excuse, thats one flaw I Can agree with, but Sony found a nitche with spider-man 2, it expanded not only the universe but the characters actually grown, we got a ice story, a symphonic villain who we could relate to who already had a good relationship with Peter. Had different arcs and left with one of the best "final swings" as fans call them, out there. it had wonder action and made a lot of money.

As for spider-man 3, it was orginally going to be the new mandarin himself Sir Ben Kingsly as vulutre and Sandman. Rami didn;t wanted to have vneom but the studio made that little last minute change to him (the vulture) into venom. I guess they could of saved venom for number four, and many thigns but acordign to interviews the final product we got was the BEST case senario) I can agreeing retconning spidey's origin wasn;t good, however the movie itself wasn;t batman and robin bad. (becuase Batman & Robin was a giant toy commercial) Spider-man 3's problems where it had to many storys, and charaters, the stories were to copy the SM2 formula and had Too mcuh stories that it fell onto itself. hoenslly the theme is preplexing to find, but the action sequences where good and I liked the idea that we see spidey on top of his game as oppese to the last two films where spidery in SM2 was at his lowest so the logical thinking was to have peter get what he wanted. then add self-salutation to himself. the idea's are great, the action sequences are great, a lot of good things are in this film, then we see the black suit. i get the emo hair style, showing a different Parker, its just he was writtten mixed. he was a docuhe and it was interesting to see him become "his version of a cool guy" but i'd love to see it like an addiction. it would of been fun to see, but it came in like most of the humor. a blink of an eye.

So ask yourselves this. Is it really that bad of a film?
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Parker2017 - 12/27/2012, 1:09 AM
rule of making a spider-man film NO RETCON!
calin88 - 12/27/2012, 1:15 AM
It's not a bad film, it just desn't live up to what 1 and 2 had offered. I watched the hole trilogy with my girlfriend a few months ago and she sai 1 was good, she loved 2 and said that 3 was a little "not like the other 2" andI agree
jjk2814 - 12/27/2012, 1:47 AM
Okay...first off...Dude! I love you for fighting for the underdog, and ultimately, I agree with you, so let me get this out on your punctuation and you got a solid editorial. Also some spelling problems...but beyond being the grammar nazi...let me ask this...

Was retconing Sandman/Uncle Ben murder really Sam's idea or was that another Avi Arad b.s. inclusion? You kinda got go back to when Spiderman 3 was made and really look at the competition. I mean everyone gives Green Lantern all kinds of hell but even at that time Marvel's "phase one" was still in the works...

Again, I ultimately love that you're fighting for the underdog as I so often do...

Ah hell...Thats all I really wanna say...Bully for you, my friend. Bully!! Its not a terrible film but Studio/Marvel influence(at THAT specific time) ruined what could have been an amazing franchise that could have went one more film without being rebooted.

If they had let Raimi make a Vulture film starring Ben Kingsly, I genuinely think it could have worked, and the series would have continued to provide competition with Marvel's Phase One, and when it did would have been a magnificent film on its own...and we would have a vastly different opinion of Sony's approach to Spiderman than what we got from that one movie that unfortunately landed between The Avengers and The Dark Knight...

A true Venom film! If only...
GetsugaTensho22 - 12/27/2012, 3:35 AM
It's a better movie than The Amazing Spider-Man.
marvel72 - 12/27/2012, 4:50 AM
i can only watch the action scenes & the creation of venom,the rest of the movie is really a challenge to watch.

@ getsugatensho22

i agree spider-man 3 is better than the amazing spider-man.
bazinga85 - 12/27/2012, 6:51 AM
SP3 was terrible no matter what anyone says. Good action scenes don't make up for poor acting and a horrible story. If it did, then we'd all be saying jason stathom's movies are great(which they aren't).
EdgyOutsider - 12/27/2012, 7:07 AM
Spider-Man 3 was pretty good. Still at the bottom of the list for me. It's goes (worst to best) 4) Spidey 3, 3) Spider-Man (which is still a very good movie) 2) Spider-Man 2 1) The Amazing Spider-Man. I think Spider-Man 3 would have been a much better finale if it was just Harry (he was set up as a villain in Spidey 2, it's only logical) and if they would've had also Venom. While, Gwen was only used for a little bit in the film. At least she was used. Just with those two villains and not ruining Uncle Ben's death and it would have been as good as the first two. I won't lie, The Amazing Spider-Man has a weaker story than the other two as a stand alone film. But, it' kicks the original trilogies (which I love btw) ass in every other way. But, that is a matter of opinion. Yes, I find The Lizard (in an unbiased way) to be a much better and interesting villain (in film and of course, comics) than Doc Ock.
Odin - 12/27/2012, 8:40 AM
Always much more better then the Amazing Spiderman.
AC1 - 12/27/2012, 10:12 AM
"Is Spider-man 3 Truely a Bad film?" Yes.
"or jsut a good film in disguise?" No.

There you go. No need for this article. Spider-Man 3 was shit. Watchable for the first half, but still utter shit throughout. As a huge Spider-Man fan since childhood, I remember that this was the first Spider-Man film I got to watch in the cinema. I was 13, we waited in line for over an hour, I was so excited, and I was almost crushed by the overwhelming disappointment when it ended. Even my recent disappointment over The Dark Knight Rises was nothing compared to that.
VIRILEMAN - 12/27/2012, 10:38 AM
I love how people give Raimi a free pass even though he directed AND wrote the film! The reason Venom sucked was still his fault. He wrote the script! He was forced to use Doc Ock and the Green Goblin but they didn't suck (outside of the GG's costume). You know why? Because Raimi didn't write those scripts!

All directors are given material and then told to make it work. The difference is RAIMI GOT TO EVEN WRITE THE SCRIPT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VIRILEMAN - 12/27/2012, 10:39 AM
Oh, and he cast Topher Grace. I 100% blaim Raimi.
Parker2017 - 12/27/2012, 12:54 PM
@Virileman I Got to play devils Advocate ehre man, listen, yes Rami Wrote a treatment for it, but it was mainly written by Alvin Sargent (who had so many idea's with rami's input) who wrote the final product. Look it up and do the research. I'm saying its ON PAR with TASM, because while SM3 had Too much story as oppose to the other film (TASM) which had no real story at all. oh yes he got to write it, of course hsi roginal verison was a lot better then the crap we got. That doesn;t eman there are still a few good things in this film like there are in TASM but calling TASM the ebst spider-man film to date is not just a stupid idotic statment i itself (@Lizard1) but just plain dumb to begin with.

Rami's films are waht made for alot of stuff to begin with.

@jjk thank you buddy ^^ yeah i know i was tired when i wrote this, need to proof read and spelling check more i guess XD.
Parker2017 - 12/27/2012, 1:43 PM
p.s. Yes it was RTami's fault not Avi Arad to retcon sandy to spider-man's origin that was jsut plain stupid to begin with.
FirstAvenger - 12/27/2012, 3:50 PM
Yoss I'm with you man.
Jollem - 12/27/2012, 5:06 PM
there were a handful of parts i liked in spidey 3
Tainted87 - 12/27/2012, 5:35 PM
Spider-man 3 had its flaws put out in plain sight for everyone to see in the trailers.

Sandman was revealed to be Uncle Ben's killer. That was the act of reopening an already healed wound that the audience had already put behind them and didn't care to see again.

Then Harry's up on a glider saying "you knew this was comin', Pete" to the audience, promising to deliver something that we already knew would be over-shadowed by the above... and what would follow.

Eddie Brock then is only introduced as a photographer whose camera Spider-man breaks. In truth, that is the extent of his depth. Suddenly the symbiote is pouring all over him and morphing him into Venom, in a rather iconic scene all Spidey fans know about.

Was it a bad film? No, but it was mediocre. It lacked focus and didn't care whether the audience was properly invested or not before jumping to the next sub-plot. I didn't hate it, and it doesn't deserve the flack it gets, but it had heart and a spirited cast.
DrHorrible - 12/27/2012, 8:13 PM
Spider-Man 3 was utter, unredeemable, absolute SHIT.

That is all. :)
Parker2017 - 12/27/2012, 10:40 PM
@DrHorrible the same can be said about Frank Miller :) (and TASM)
Parker2017 - 12/27/2012, 10:44 PM
@SotoJuiceMan did you even READ the article? at all? Look like I said before and i'll say agian, Rami can be blamed for the retcon, it should have enver happen, sony found its nitche with spider-man 2 and sicne they don;t have any REAL respecr for charaters, or sorce amterial in gneral, they wanted to copy the already working formula and make it bigger. pretty much Sam was liek a kid in a candy store and while I will agree with everyone on the whole retcon and dancign emo parker sence's, I Still think its an okay flick, I really don;t think it deserves the crap it gets.
GuardianDevil - 12/27/2012, 10:58 PM
I didn't like Venom's portrayal, it's simple as that. He wasn't in the film for very long, he didn't have much character development, if I had done it I would have introduced Brock at the end of "Spider-Man" and show Eddie and Peter getting off on the wrong foot. And then have a rivalry with him all through out "Spider-Man 2" and then become Venom in the third one. I didn't like Topher Grace as Brock, but I would forgive bad casting in exchange for a good story and character development, this film had bad casting AND poor character development.
GuardianDevil - 12/27/2012, 11:03 PM
But it wasn't a horrible film, I just couldn't stand Venom. I wish Arad hadn't forced Rami to use Venom, Venom is Spidey's coolest enemy but they did him an injustice. It wouldve been better if they had just used Sandman and Vulture like it was originally planned.
Parker2017 - 12/28/2012, 12:02 AM
@fenix yeah, also they still had John Jameson, I mean they could have done him as venom but left it as a cliffhanger for a spider-man 4. That would of had so much oppertunities right there. if anythign its an okay film.
Parker2017 - 12/28/2012, 9:45 AM
@bazing so according to you ever action movie is jsut a terrible film, and the lazy way to get ritch and quick by doing it. Theaen agian you could call the godfather trilogy terrible shitty films to.
OneWingAngel - 12/28/2012, 12:41 PM
Was Spidey 3 terrible......YES 100%. The movie was all over the place and missed on every single mark. Sandman killed uncle ben, emo dancing peter those are forgivable but to cast Topher Grace ad Venom was insane. The guy has no acting ability/likability and didn't give off even the slightest feel of venom/eddie brock. How do you take a body building brute with a sinister symbiote that has on more then one occasion beaten spidey bloody into a sniveling little twerp who grand plan was to capture mary jane? That right there was the biggest problem venom (forced in or not) was cast horribly wrong and then he was given the worst possible story line ever not to mention he apparently died too. I look at it as a bad movie made worse because even if they had done Vulture/sandman/new goblin it still would have had to much going on but at least people wouldn't care as much as vulture is really not that big of a character and harry really had no where to go since in 3 movies he really did not develop all that much (i was thinking SM2 would be Harry as the goblin but somehow doc ock got stuck in there).

Now is Amazing spiderman better then SM3....trick question because they both sucked. My only hope is that with Amazing since it is a fresh start it will get better with each movie where as the originals got worse. Yes Amazing is a bit more i wold say teen geared but hey Spidey was a high school nerd who worked in the lab and moved on from there so the story has growth potential whereas SM 1 we already had him graduated, moving out and working at the bugle all the while chasing MJ.
Albie - 12/28/2012, 1:51 PM
Parker2017 said: "...too much stories that ended up crushing the film itself, where all the producers fault."

Wait, is this supposed to be a legible article? What?

Parker2017 - 12/28/2012, 3:28 PM
@Albie its an opinionated editorial. I meant to add that the producers had a lot of input int he making of spider-man 3 which i think adds to its own self torched downfall. its an okay film, not as bad as everyone gives it. Hence why is y its on par with TASM film.

@OneWingAngel Liek is aid TASM and SM3 ARE BOTH ARE PAR WITH ONE ANOTHER! SM3 is an Okay film, you yourrself jsut said i could forgive the retcon (why?) and dancing emo spdiey (okay it hink we all can forgive that one, i hoenstly thoguh it was Peter trying to be "cool". like i said int he article, i wanted it and would of liekd it to eb an aditions, insted of looking like a hipster emo douche he should have slowly dissapper as peter embracing the black suits power an influence.

I Like sm3 as tiny bit better then TASM.
dellamorte1872 - 12/28/2012, 5:49 PM
the first 40 mts of SM3 were the best anf the last 40 mts of ASM were the best. i didnt like both tho their tones are off
Parker2017 - 12/29/2012, 8:59 AM
@ACira dude theres sitll a good story buried deep in spider-man 3, sure its the worst one compared to 2 & 1. it's an okay film, I mean TASM is pure crap, but you glorified it like its the best movie ever.
Lindsey35 - 12/29/2012, 9:28 AM
Work on your grammar and spelling, man, this was really hard and annoying to read.

I'm what you call a silent reader. I hardly ever comment, but I read comments. I'm not sure if you're a "Raimi" fan-boy (haven't really heard of you on this site) and I'm not sure if you're a TASM hater-troll.
But, saying, "TASM is on par with Spider-Man 3" is completely ridiculous.
This tells me you are both a TASM hater-troll and a Raimi fanboy.

I'm asking Spider-Man 3 really a bad film?

The action is horrible, its like watching a cartoon; Peter's face (during the Peter vs. Harry fight) looks deformed and ridiculous. The story is terrible. Sandman is not needed (and having him as Uncle Ben's killer is just a stupid idea). Mary Jane bitches throughout the whole movie. We have Peter dancing like an idiot (oh and, where did he learn to play the piano? Way too sudden) AND he took PLEASURE in killing. Also, did we even get a "final-swing"? All I can remember is Peter and MJ dancing AND HARRY DYING (another Villain to die, of course). And some of the most chessiest lines in the history of CBM's.

That is not the Spider-Man I know and love.

So yes, Spider-Man 3 is a terrible movie.
Parker2017 - 12/29/2012, 9:57 AM
@Lindsey35 I am NOT a rami fanboy and yes both are bad films, but still are on par with each other. I agree with you with the whole retcon and Venom, because it could of been a lot better, i'm sure without studio interference and rami's terrible idea of wanting to retcon sandy as Uncle Ben's killer does in fact undo the WHOLE FREAKING POINT of the first film. (but since you obviously can;t read anything form me, I understand why your a bit in a pickle) So let me make this PERFECTLY CLEAR FOR YOU MA'AM.

Spider-man 3 doesn't deserve the the crappy rep it gets, its not the best film in fact to me it is on Par with TASM. I Don't care if your a "Webb head" or Webb fangirl/fanboy, but to me both are on the same level. (if you like TASM good for you all the more power to you. but this is just my opinion on Spider-Man 3, yes its bad, but not a pile of shit. believe me it could of been WAY Worst.)
Lindsey35 - 12/29/2012, 10:18 AM

Okay :)

SM 3 is a pile of shit though :)

And like you defend SM 3, mister Raimi fan-girl, I will defend TASM.

'Cause at least TASM doesn't have freakin retarded moments that DO NOT belong in a Spider-Man film.

Good day, sir :)
Parker2017 - 12/29/2012, 12:25 PM

yay :)

Well Batman killed and thats not part of his goal but he did kill a few people in Batman returns.

wow the R word, well TASM does have shitty moments terrible flaws, bad writing, crappy editing, aim for twilight fans, and by all accounts you LOVE IT. to me, that's not even spider-man.

good day to you ma'am. :)
Parker2017 - 12/29/2012, 12:28 PM
@Lindsey but you can blame Rami for the shitty retcon, THAT was HIS own idea, and all on his own. the whole "killing", and other messy pieces are Sony and Avi Arad's doing.
Platinum - 12/29/2012, 1:45 PM
While I think Spider-Man 3 is not a very good end to a good series, I think TASM is a terrible start for a new series.

Spider-Man 3 and TASM are almost on par but TASM is the lowest on the list for me.

I really don't get the praise for TASM though.

Parker2017 - 12/29/2012, 4:41 PM
@SpectcularSpider I know I don;t understand it that much myself, I think its because of the web shooters (fan service), and like some people think its closer to the source material, when its on par with the original when it comes to "source material". I do wish The original ended on a better note, but its still not a shitty film. it's the worst film in all existence, its just an okay film, comparing to say Spider-man and Spider-man 2.

Spider-man 2 arguably is the best CBM out there right up there with the Avengers and the Dark Knight, Blade II and to a lesser degree X2.
Parker2017 - 12/29/2012, 4:42 PM
*its NOT the worst film in existence.
SpideyMan123 - 12/29/2012, 6:04 PM
lol the people on this site are hilarious
Parker2017 - 12/30/2012, 6:54 AM
@SpideyMan123 of course, why do you think everyone on here looks like a super model? ;D I Know how much you loathe Spider-Man, Rami, the 94 TAS, Spectacular Spider-Man, but Spider-man 3 isn't as Bad as ASM Issue 700 OR OMD. (could you image if they turn OMD into a film?)
Albie - 12/30/2012, 5:03 PM

I was actually saying work on your editing, but it's all good.
AlertTheSus - 12/30/2012, 10:47 PM
yes this movie is [frick]ing some other user commented above when i saw this movie I was younger and didn't even really know that much about spider-man and still thought it was terrible now knowing as much as I do from going back and reading all the 616 issues and shit, I think this movie is worse than I did before....and these people saying that TASM was for twilight dumb are you why cuz of his haircut? Im pretty sure Twilights love story is the worst thing to ever happen in movies meanwhile the chemistry between Andrew and Emma is TASM had some moments that were kinda dumb like the crane scene and that but over all i think its alot better than SP3. Don't even get me started on how [frick]ing terrible Dunst was as MJ in the Raimi trilogy
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