SPIDER-MAN Producers Discuss SINISTER SIX & VENOM Spin-offs

SPIDER-MAN Producers Discuss SINISTER SIX & VENOM Spin-offs

SFX recently chatted with Spider-Man producers and asked them about the new expanded universe that they are planning with the Sinister Six and Venom films. Check it out.

In December, Sony surprised everyone when it issued a press release announcing that Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Jeff Pinkner, Ed Solomon, Drew Goddard and Marc Webb were all putting their heads together in order to expand the Spider-Man live-action film universe with Sinister Six and Venom spin-off films. Sony Pictures hired Kurtzman, Orci and Solomon to pen the Venom script, with Kurtzman on board to direct it. While The Sinister Six project will be written and directed by Cabin In The Woods helmer, Drew Goddard.

After the news was announced most people were surprised by the Sinister Six film, as they see it as quite a challenge making a film that centers around numerous villains. Producer Matt Tolmach addressed this concern with SFX.
“It’s a challenge in every sense. Obviously questions of traditional hero/villain dynamics have to be looked at. At the same time it’s an awesome challenge, because some of the greatest characters are in fact villains, and how you construct that is so much fun. People love those bad characters if they’re good bad characters, and love to watch them. And nobody’s all good, nobody’s all bad, and so where we end up with that story, I think, is a really awesome challenge, and we all smile when we think about what you can do. It’s definitely a bad-ass group of people and I think it’s going to be a ton of fun to watch them.

As for Venom, producer Avi Arad believes there is room to delve into the moral conflicts that have surrounded the character.
“Venom hated only one guy – Spider-Man. He wasn’t innately bad, he was a shortcut guy, not really into fighting hard for achievement. That’s the Venom story. Can he also be a good guy? As you know, Venom was also called ‘lethal defender of the innocent’. We had a great history with him, especially caring for the homeless, which is a very sensitive issue and something that many of us are very concerned with. Our villains all represent a different side of the misunderstood, and some of them unfortunately turned to the dark side. Venom happened to be a phenomenal character. With Eddie Brock, or if you do Flash Thompson, it doesn’t matter who is going to be inside the suit – what’s important is that a man like him is going to realise there comes a time when you wake up in the morning and say ‘How did I get here? There must be a better way.’”


We’ve always known that Spider-Man’s most important battle has been within himself: the struggle between the ordinary obligations of Peter Parker and the extraordinary responsibilities of Spider-Man. But in The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Peter Parker finds that a greater conflict lies ahead.

It’s great to be Spider-Man (Andrew Garfield). For Peter Parker, there’s no feeling quite like swinging between skyscrapers, embracing being the hero, and spending time with Gwen (Emma Stone). But being Spider-Man comes at a price: only Spider-Man can protect his fellow New Yorkers from the formidable villains that threaten the city. With the emergence of Electro (Jamie Foxx), Peter must confront a foe far more powerful than he. And as his old friend, Harry Osborn (Dane DeHaan), returns, Peter comes to realize that all of his enemies have one thing in common: OsCorp.

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 will be directed by Marc Webb from a script written by Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Jeff Pinkner and James Vanderbilt. The film will star Andrew Garfield as Peter Parker/Spider-Man, Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy, Sally Field as Aunt May, Shailene Woodley as Mary Jane Watson, Paul Giamatti as Rhino, Jamie Foxx is Electro and Chris Cooper as Norman Osborn. The Amazing Spider-Man sequel will swing into theaters May 2, 2014.
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JoJo1982 - 3/12/2014, 9:57 AM

Can't wait!!!

Sony is going to do it big!!!

Just make spiderman 2099, scarlet spider, and miles morales spiderman movies while y'all at it
SpiderFraud - 3/12/2014, 9:58 AM
DC is the only people that can say "complex" when it comes to superhero villains. Maybe Fox-Men.
JordanKing - 3/12/2014, 9:58 AM
I still think its a stupid idea, but it's not like they have that many options when it comes to expanding their Universe.

I would have been fine with constant Spidey sequels, and recast the role when necessary in the vein of James Bond.
ATrueHero1987 - 3/12/2014, 10:02 AM
Let's see. I can see a Venom movie(you have to set him up right!), maybe a Black Cat movie, or even a Morbius movie(that has been in production before). Other than that...NO.

....Does Sony have the rights to Silver Sable?

SN: Am I the only one that wish Eddie Brock was regular Venom again??
batmanvsuperman - 3/12/2014, 10:22 AM
Awesome stop comparing Sam spiderman or villains to Marc its better and different they will own this franchise
luffycapri - 3/12/2014, 10:23 AM
Venom movie first please
cipher - 3/12/2014, 10:24 AM
Doopie - 3/12/2014, 10:24 AM
as long as they get topher grace back everything should be fine
Hulksta - 3/12/2014, 10:26 AM
Don't care, call me when they adapt Spider-Man's greatest villain.

GodzillaKart - 3/12/2014, 10:26 AM
I hope they can pull this off. It could be amazing.

Curt Conners/Lizard wasn't bad...and had the potential to be great. They needed more scenes letting us get to know him. Including some scenes with his wife and son would have gone a long way to make the Lizard a more complex character. Ifans did a fine job in the role.
MercwithMouth - 3/12/2014, 10:27 AM
From what I've heard, Webb knocked TASM2 right out the ballpark. He's the one that needs to godfather all of it. Goddard is a great choice for the Venom movie, it'll be great. I like Orci and Kurtzmann, it'll be interesting to see what they can do with the 6. Sony is finally screwing it's head on right, I have faith.
Tainted87 - 3/12/2014, 10:31 AM
Yeah, I'd recommend they try to sign on Guy Ritchie, if only just as a writer, but he kind of does his own thing, and is EXTREMELY obsessive compulsive.
MercwithMouth - 3/12/2014, 10:33 AM

Doc Ock sucked.

They took an evil genius and turned him into a failed, sympathetic scientist, who sacrificed himself to make amends. It was garbage.
Bloodraven - 3/12/2014, 10:36 AM
At any rate, this new Venom can't be worse than the one in Spider-Man 3. Seriously, Eric Forman?
MercwithMouth - 3/12/2014, 10:36 AM
Norman was a much better villain than Ock. Dafoe's performance completely outclassed Molina, and they nailed the character. Only problem with Gobby was the suit. Everything else was great. I still think Spider-Man was a lot better than SM2.
GodzillaKart - 3/12/2014, 10:38 AM
@AnnoDomini: Lizard was threatening and his motivation was understandable, if underdeveloped. Like Whiplash in IM2, there was nothing bad about him...we just needed more.
SpiderFraud - 3/12/2014, 10:41 AM
Doc Ock is still better than half the lame villains we been getting in Marvel movies (all studious).
SpiderFraud - 3/12/2014, 10:41 AM
TheePeterParker - 3/12/2014, 10:42 AM

I am actually super stoked to see how the VENOM movie turns out, I think its really cool what they are doing although i am still like.. "Whats going to happen?"

Something like this has really, honestly never been done before, Same goes for the Sinister Six film.

ALTHOUGH - i can say, i am still in a - HOW - WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN - WHAT COULD THE STORYLINE POSSIBLY BE - ???? - HUH? - (for the Sinister Six film)

Would Peter Parker / Spider-Man actually have like a full on role in Venom? or would he be the guy you hear about or see swinging? Like is Spider-Man going to be the villain from the perspective of the Venom Movie?.. That would be really interesting and weird.. But kind of awesome!?

QUESTION TO CBM'ers.. Someone should post a fan-cast for Venom!!! (and sinister six)
CharlesLord - 3/12/2014, 10:43 AM
well at least Avrad gets Venom character and morality. I still dont want this to happen just because its Sony and theyve given me no reason to believe in them yet.
GodzillaKart - 3/12/2014, 10:45 AM
Dafoe was great...even if he overacted his ass off. Molina was absolutely great. Probably the best performance in the entire Raimi series.

Recently watched the first one again. The cartoony cheese is a bit thick...but there is something undeniably fun about the first two.
sKeemAn - 3/12/2014, 10:46 AM
I think Kurtzman is going to write the shit out of this. I really want a 'Reservoir Dogs' with supervillains.
GodzillaKart - 3/12/2014, 10:47 AM
Wait...what is that tingle in my pants...I'm getting so turned on...OH MY GOD!!!!MrQuantumMechanic IS TROLLING AGAIN!!!!DON'T STOP BABY!!!!!!!!!!

MercwithMouth - 3/12/2014, 10:49 AM
What Raimi accomplished...

Perfect origin (will never be done better)
Terrible Peter/Spidey (sadsack, never smiles, never makes jokes)
Mary Jane(horrific casting, terrible characterization)
Amazing Gobby
Terrible Doc Ock
Decent Harry Osborne(one of the highlights of the trilogy)
Terrible Eddie Brock
Venom (visuals were great, backstory almost non-existent)
Sandman(visuals were great, backstory needed more time)
ALmazing - 3/12/2014, 10:51 AM
A sinister 6 and venom movie without spider man? Yeah right

MercwithMouth - 3/12/2014, 10:52 AM

I don't really think that the complete bastardization of one of Spider-Man greatest enemies is a nitpick. Ock should be evil, not misguided. Same problem I have with lizard in TASM.
GodzillaKart - 3/12/2014, 10:53 AM
@AnnoDomini: Fair. I feel a bit differently, but fair.
SpiderFraud - 3/12/2014, 10:53 AM
Just because Doc Ock is not a great adaption, makes him a horrible villian?
GodzillaKart - 3/12/2014, 10:54 AM
"Ock should be evil, not misguided."

I disagree. Those kind of one dimensional characters should be left in the comics.
MercwithMouth - 3/12/2014, 10:55 AM

Raimi ignored the spirit of Doc Ock, just like Webb ignored the spirit of Dr Connors. They're equally terrible.
GodzillaKart - 3/12/2014, 10:56 AM
IMO, the best, and most complex villains in any single CBM to date are:

Ledger's Joker
Shannon's Zod
Hiddleson's Loki (Thor 1)

An argument could be made that Joker was fantastic, but not complex...

SpiderFraud - 3/12/2014, 10:57 AM

That doesn't make him a horrible villain.
ChiliConCarney - 3/12/2014, 10:59 AM
Uh-oh... I smell trouble.

"With Eddie Brock, or if you do Flash Thompson, it doesn't matter who is going to be inside the suit..."

Yeah, it kinda does. This:

is not what people want to see. Venom with guns? He don't need no stinkin' guns!

SpiderFraud - 3/12/2014, 11:00 AM
Would you guys consider Gobby Jr complex in the original Spider-Man movies?
MercwithMouth - 3/12/2014, 11:02 AM
I forgot JJJ. Yeah, he was awesome.


Good list there. I wouldn't put Zod, but that's just because I didn't like MoS.

I would add to the list with Nomak. Great misunderstood villain.
MercwithMouth - 3/12/2014, 11:05 AM

I think a one-dimensional villain can be great. It all depends on the hero at that point. And with Raimi's trilogy coming up ridiculously short in the hero category, the real Ock would've fallen flat. The complexity in Spider-Man should come from Spidey. His rogues gallery is largely one-dimensional, but they're beloved for what they are.
MercwithMouth - 3/12/2014, 11:06 AM
Lol, Ma-Ma. Great villain, but no complexity there.
CaptainObvious - 3/12/2014, 11:14 AM
Do we really need a Sinister Six movie? Sony seems to be under the impression the Spider-Man universe is as big as the Marvel or DC universes.
SpiderFraud - 3/12/2014, 11:16 AM

Yeah, I do think he is the most complex villain so far in Spidey villains. I always liked the way they set up his character in the movies.

MercwithMouth - 3/12/2014, 11:18 AM

Arguing with you about Spidey reminds me of arguing with Levi. Never ever agreed on anything, but argued respectfully, and intelligently.
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