Why I Believe Gwen Needs To Die In TASM2 And Not The Third Installment

Some grammar, and spelling, but that's it on that end. Not bad at all I'd say.

That said, don't you think cramming the introduction of Electro, Rhino, Norman(who doesn't really have much reason right now to want Spidey dead yet), him developing the serum which ultimately creates the Green Goblin, and him turning into GG is a bit much to fit into one movie? Then they also have to have Spidey develope the relationship with Gwen, him figuring out how to beat Rhino and Electro, and then a final battle. Then he has to fight GG and have Gwen die. The there's the intro of MJ and Harry to the flick.

@Paragon79 Thanks man and yea i do still feel it's a little rushed but I mean that's just how it was set up from the first one but this is just the way I thought it would kind of even it out and give us the most epic finale.

@Soto that is an interesting point I think could pay off i just don't like the fact we may not get a Norman Green Goblin makes me somewhat bitter to be honest...

@Imthegoodguy: Haha i thought about that too it is a weird perspective but yes it is i believe very essential to the mythos. and thanks buddy for the compliment

AlertTheSus: Personally, I think they should just have Electro as the villian, we've seen how having two can hurt the movie(spiderman 3), and have Norman using him to do his bidding. Also, not even introduce MJ(sadly thats confirmed) in this trilogy. Have the fact that Slidey stops Electro piss off Norman and want revenge, and then in a mid credit scene have him become GG. That way the love of Gwen and Peter(hehe..Peter) can last two movies, and then the big payoff in the third. The third one should have an intro scene or two with Gwen and Peter(hehe Peter) on a date, then action right out of the gates with GG fighting Spidey, and Gwen getting caught in the middle. That would set up for a pissed off vengeful Spidey for most of the third movie. Introducing MJ(who I don't thing was intro'd till after Gwens death) before Gwen's death is already rushing things.

Nice article.

@Soto that seems plausible, but that could also work as a red herring - the story could unfold the way you described, only for Peter to discover Harry isn't the Goblin after all, and then they find out Norman isn't dead and that he was the Goblin the whole time.

also I hope they go with the traditional goblin costume for this movie and not the ultimate version of goblin (even though I have a feeling they will) like how it is in the pic in my article that would be sooooo bad ass

Great job! Very interesting, I wouldn't mind a movie like this. ;-)

@firstavenger97: thanks buuuuuddy :) I wa very worried my article would be utter shit. lol

@alertthesus- To be honest this trilogy of movies should of focused more on the symbiote rather than Goblin since Venom was one of the biggest character let downs.

@sotojuiceman: FOR SUUUUUURE MAN!!! when i first heard about TASM being in production that was the first thing that went through my head was I hope they do justice to Venom and was hoping for a really in depth story about the symbiote and eddie brock

These guys are in a very sticky spot with the whole GG, Gwen dies thing. If they do use GG, it will be endlessly compared to Raimi's version. And if they try and kill her off another way, they will get hate by blind fan boys unable to accept any changes.

Paragon79- I don't understand the hate if Harry is Green Goblin? HE WAS GREEN GOBLIN. Honestly Norman's story doesn't hold up till he kills Gwen. He holds up know because killed Peter's dad, but wow now he's getting two reasons of revenge. That's not a pay-off to me. Harry would be a way more interesting Goblin than Norman. Yea he killed Richard Parker and Gwen, reason for Richard cool but reason for Gwen....why? What drove him to do that? Bankruptcy, gee didn't fuel his rage in the first film? No reason to make Norman Goblin again, even he's JUST IN THE COMICS.

You don't need to follow every chronological timeline because it's in the comics for a film. That's just me. Just tell a good story that gives comic book fans something to love.

The Amazing Spider-Man 3 could be Venom. Peter is angry about his failure to save Gwen, and the symbiote feeds off of that. The symbiote could be an OsCorp experiment, escaped during either Electro's attack on Norman or the Green Goblin's rampage.

I wouldn't be angry if Electro killed Gwen...

At this point we only know minor details about the film.

I can only hope it plays out something like this.

MJ and Harry are introduced as his college friends*Felicia goes to the same school* while still seeing Gwen on their down time from crime fighting school and work.

Rhino/electro/blackcat are becoming a bit of a handful for our friendly neighborhood spider-man. It gets tot he point where he is looking for answers in oscorp and he comes across the symbiote meteorite. With his new powers the 3 new trouble makers are easily dealt with rhino and electro locked up but while fighting blackcat he soon realizes what this new suit is doing to him *with great power...ect* feeling horrible for the abuse of this new power he disarms himself of the symbiote and is left to reflect on the mistakes he has made . but once again peter's timing is off a new menace emerges from the oscorp labs taking gwen hostage. I have a feeling the second film we will be left with a cliff hangar

@SotoJuiceguy - wow, that's actually kind of a cool spin on it. personally, i'd rather have Norman as the Goblin, but that's a cool idea, lots of ways to do it that would be pretty rad. i like Acira's version of it too.

@original poster - good article, I totally disagree tho. I think Gwen dying in the second is the thing that crams too much into one movie. and also, i think that the trilogy model is messing things up.

also in general, this is making me want to write a couple articles, one on what i see as what the unalterable elements of the Gwen Stacy story are. the things that no matter what elements you change around them, absolutely need to be included to do justice to the story. there's a lot of secondary things around these stories that can be changed tho. and i definitely don't think that adhering to the comic is always gonna be the best thing for a translation to film.

so not to say that any movie version has to follow in this way, but wanted to clear up about how the comics did the MJ/Gwen thing. MJ was introduced way before Gwen died. Aunt May was always trying to set Peter up on a date with one of her friend's daughters or nieces or something, but this was MJ, she was referenced without us seeing her quite a few times as Aunt May would bring her up.

finally Pete agrees to go on a date with her and that's the famous 'face it, tiger...you just hit the jackpot' panel is from. he's never actually even dated Gwen yet, the two of them just crush real hard over each other.

Gwen and Peter actually start dating after Peter goes out with MJ i forget how long, but just briefly i think and realizes that he doesn't like her romantically, that he loves Gwen.

MJ stays in Peter's circle of friend's tho and i think she actually dates Harry for a while. Whether they dated or not, he get totally crushed by her somehow and this is one of the excuses he uses to go deeper into his drug habits. But her character was a total party girl. She avoids any real long term committments to people and just seems to be in it for the good times. She's not portrayed as a bitch like this, she's a big part of this little social cirlce of Peter's, and i think maybe even becomes a kind of confidante for Gwen. But she's ultimately just a party girl.

That's why it's such a big thing when after Peter has just seen the Goblin impaled on his glider and is finally coming home to his lonely apartment to find Gwen there waiting for him. She had heard about Gwen and everything and knew Peter would need someone. He totally freaks out on her, yells at her to get out of the apartment, and says something about how everyone knows she only cares about herself and he doesn't need her, that she should quit pretending to have feelings. not exactly that, but something like that. so she leaves for a second, but comes right back in and lets Peter know that she really does care. and it became the first time Peter began to see MJ as something more than a self-involved person who was just in it for the good times.

i'm not saying that the movies need to follow any of all that literally, but trying to remind people what the source material is that any Spider-Man movie is pulling from. and that MJ being cast in this movie doesn't in any way imply some cheesy love triangle. in fact, for me, a movie that introduced MJ after Gwen died would be missing a lot of great opportunities that actually lend some depth to her character.

Spider-Man has always very much been a soap opera, and there's ways to incorporate those elements of it in a good way or also handle them in a bad way. But to complain that a Spider-Man movie is gonna suck becuz you think that Peter might have personal problems to deal with or twists in his love life is ignoring a huge part of what that the character is. it's like attacking a Wolverine story becuz you're sick of this 'loner, tough guy' schtick Wolverine always tries to pull. or the X-Men in general becuz it's gonna have something to do with mutants again.

i mean, i know that people mean that they don't want to go to a Spider-Man film and see Twilight. but Twilight can be uncomfortably bad to watch becuz of the way it's done and the overall stylization of the movies. it's similar to saying a movie is going to suck becuz there's two villains and we all know from Spider-Man 3 that 2 villains make for a bad movie. that's just not true. Spider-Man 3 fell short becuz of the way it was done. and the presence of MJ and Gwen both in the same film doesn't mean that all of the focus is going to turn towards Peter sitting in front of his Facebook and saying 'who am i going to date? on one hand, perfect tits. on the other, perfect ass. if only a fusion of the two...but alas' then enter the Black Widow. ha.
stupid. whatever stupid scene plays out in your head when u imagine love triangle, actors being cast for both Gwen and MJ doesn't mean that's what Webb is thinking.

having more than one villain wont make a film a cluster [frick]... people just like to pick on sm3 because the end was so rushed with venom. but given the proper treatment you could have as many as you want look at the shows/comics they pull it off no problem. So many films that are not comic book movies have several villains and bad guys. people just like to make excuses. The more iconic spider-man characters the better.

@Soto

I'm sorry but there is no way they build up Normy this much only to kill him off like that.

The "Norman Osborne is dying" story is just to build up up hype, and set-up his origins as Gobby.