Could Norman Osborn Become Venom In The Amazing Spider-Man Franchise?

Could Norman Osborn Become Venom In The Amazing Spider-Man Franchise?

Based upon a crazy idea that popped in my head, I decided to share it with the world and see what you guys think. While I think Norman Osborn becoming Venom is possible, I also think it would really anger me and the die hard Spidey fans out there.

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By Venom2000000 - 2/16/2013

NOTE: I am firmly against any key characters from any existing form of media to be, when transferred from one form of media, changed or swapped out for a lack of a good reason. In this case I would see the only two reasons being
1. Norman becoming Venom conveniently fitting into the plot (which to me is not a good reason)
2. Sony doing this just to differentiate this franchise from Rami's (which is an even worse reason, because it's not like Spider-Man is an entity made up by Sony. It was a comic book. These movies are based off of the comics. There will be similarities across the film franchises whether it is this one or the inevitable one to come after it).
I feel that Norman being Venom would be an entirely wrong move on Sony's part and am happy that this only popped up in my head and not on the web in the form of an agitating rumor. If it does well you heard it here first and I will also be the first one to tell you and all of the other Spidey fans, "I am sorry for the major mess up Sony did." Do not ask me why I would be apologizing because I would not know. I just think that my love for the character is what makes me hate the idea of seeing him or any of his supporting characters being done wrong on screen for the sake of making a quick buck or differentiating its self from the previous franchise.
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Venom2000000 - 2/16/2013, 6:40 PM
why do you think Norman is dead?
ForeverPowerful - 2/16/2013, 6:52 PM
Dear god I hope not. That would kill the franchise for me, and leave a bad taste in my mouth concerning Spidey for awhile. Michael Massee is Norman, and he better be Goblin. I dont care if they do Harry as the Goblin first, I think that would be interesting to see the father experimenting on the son. That would show how sick and sinister Norman is, before finally turning into the monster himself.

I'd like them to do a Venom film, but only if he's done right. I love Raimis films to death, but dear god Venom was terrible. The only parts they got right were when the face was up, and he was more like an animal. I loved the way he sounded, very alien like. Other than that, not much good done.

They have alot of material to work with, and they have alot to answer for too, being all the plot points in TASM dropped. Hope they can pull it off.
ForeverPowerful - 2/16/2013, 6:57 PM

I agree with you, putting in Venom would make TASM 2 an even bigger mess. It already has alot of crap to introduce while also adressing alot of the questions brought up in 1. They have alot of story to tell in a 2-3 hour period, hopefully it doesnt become clogged.

I personally though dont think Norman is dead. Maybe logically it would make sense (since he is dying in the first one) but I dont think they would kill off a major character in the mythos before you even see him. If they do, thats kinda dumb in my opinion. I really hope Massee is Norman. The man in the shadows all shaky and hoarse of voice sounds like a deadman walking to me.
Minato - 2/16/2013, 7:02 PM
Spiderman should fight the Champion of the Universe just to mix it up
AshleyWilliams - 2/16/2013, 7:17 PM
@SotoJuiceMan, why are you hell bent on Norman being dead? It's a comic book movie. He could be dying in one and cured in the next.
DrHorrible - 2/16/2013, 7:20 PM
@SotoJuiceMan You REALLY think Norman is dead? WOW. That is just idiotic on your part.

They NEVER specified at how sick he was in TASM, only that he was "dying." That's IT. Do you really think someone else, besides Connors, WASN'T working on something else for Norman? Really?

Ratha took a vial of Connor's formula. He could've given it to someone else (maybe a certain doctor with mechanical arms of a sort...) and they could have modified it already for Norman. Who [frick]ing knows?

Seriously though, stop saying Norman is dead when he is most likely not.
Jollem - 2/16/2013, 7:59 PM
Tainted87 - 2/16/2013, 9:16 PM
What if Norman isn't actually dying like Dr Ratha wanted Connors to believe? Suppose that was the incentive to get him moving, and when at last Connors exclaims that "everyone dies, even Norman Osborn", Dr Ratha drops the act and prepares to fire him?

What if it was just a ruse? Suppose Norman is just vacationing in Europe?

Or perhaps he is really dying, and that is what pushes the Oz formula (which I really don't like, just do the original).

I don't think Osborn would ever become Venom. The justification is too poor, too little of a payoff, and everyone is already skeptical about Venom after what happened in 2007. It would be the coffin nail.
CaptainAmerica31 - 2/16/2013, 9:31 PM
@soto give is rest Norman will be GG
CaptainAmerica31 - 2/16/2013, 9:39 PM
@soto you really thin they're just gonna throw away a character that pretty much had a villienous presence in TASM? A character that was so Hevely foreshadowed just thrown away? Seriously Norman is the main baddie in this whole trilogy, it makes abosulotley no sense that he would be dead. If you wanna keep spouting that idea go ahead but you look like a dumbass
superherofan21 - 2/16/2013, 10:19 PM
@Soto Someone who has cancer is technically dying, but usually it either takes quite some time or they get better (with the proper treatment, of course). TASM2 takes place shortly after the first film, based on reports that TASM2 takes place in Peter's senior year at Midtown (and Gwen said they were seniors in TASM), so I highly doubt Norman is dead.
TheRaven20 - 2/17/2013, 1:17 AM
@Soto stop saying Norman is dead!!!!! Why would you build up to Spider-man's arc nemesis just to say he died in between movies?!? Its the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I'm 99% sure you're wrong. You don't know why he's dying or how long he has to live so stop sassuming he's dead because to have him dead is extremely unlikely.
LEEE777 - 2/17/2013, 3:10 AM
Lol lets hope NOT.

Tainted87 - 2/17/2013, 6:04 AM
Dang, Merry Christmas Soto!
AC1 - 2/17/2013, 8:30 AM
@Soto according to the plans for TASM2 (can't remember whether it was Webb or a producer who said it), the movie will pick up 1 week after the events of TASM. Norman Osborn doesn't have to be dead - you think someone as powerful as Norman Osborn would only depend on one man (Dr Ratha)? Besides, we don't even know what happened to Ratha after the bridge scene - he could have survived. And even if he did die, the Lizard serum would've still been in his car, so if the car was recovered, Oscorp could've reclaimed the serum he had with him (since it's technically Oscorp property).

The reason they I don't think they'd kill Norman Osborn, apart from the fact that he should become Green Goblin, is that they're setting up him and Oscorp as the big villains pulling the strings around the entire story - that's a huge reason why Peter's parents became an important part of this version. The conspiracy surrounding their 'deaths' will inevitably lead back to Norman Osborn being a villain, meaning it'll be the fuel to Peter and Norman's feud (which will then be made worse when Norman eventually kills Gwen).

Just because Norman is 'dying' doesn't mean he'll be dead by the time of TASM2. Sometimes it can take years to die from an illness, even when the patient is on their deathbed (as it was implied Norman was in TASM). I honestly think the reason they wrote him as dying is so that he'd have a reason to take the Goblin formula, which in all likelihood will be an altered form of the Lizard formula and will save his life but mutate him into a goblin looking creature.

I think the way they're handling Norman in this series is similar to how The Mandarin was used in the Iron Man trilogy - he's behind the scenes, pulling the strings, manipulating scenarios to his own ends, and he'll only get his hands dirty when he has no other choice. I think it's almost certain that Norman will become the Green Goblin, since that's the direction they've already set the series in.

Of course, you could be right Soto, maybe Norman does die and Harry does become the Goblin. But I think it's pretty unlikely. Although for some reason I do think Norman will fake his own death in the movie - perhaps the Goblin formula mutates him to permanently look goblin-y, causing his insanity and leading him to abandon his life as Norman Osborn. In fact, I also think the way he fakes his death will be similar to a scene in his Ultimate Spider-Man origins - he'll burn down his mansion or something, as the Goblin, killing his wife and almost killing Harry.
AC1 - 2/17/2013, 8:41 AM
Also, I highly doubt Venom or any other symbiotes will even be included in this series, considering the mess their inclusion caused in Spider-Man 3 (plus, how would they fit in?)

The only way I can see symbiotes in this series is if it goes past a trilogy, perhaps even into a second trilogy. The Venom symbiote (perhaps a creation of Oscorp and/or Richard Parker, like in the Ultimate series) becomes attracted to Peter's anger following Gwen's death and enhances his rage until he almost crosses the line between hero and villain. But then, who'd be the villain for black-suit Spidey to face? That is, assuming Norman Osborn dies following Gwen's death. Harry? Perhaps Harry becomes the second Goblin like in the comics? But then, wouldn't it just become a rehash of Spider-Man 3, minus Sandman? Then the film would have to end by setting up Venom, because we all know you can't fit the whole symbiote/Spidey/Venom arc into one movie. Perhaps Peter, while wearing the symbiote, accidentally kills Harry, and his guilt motivates him to abandon the suit, which then attaches to Eddie Brock?

I don't know... seems like too much considering this series was apparently planned as just a trilogy.
AC1 - 2/17/2013, 11:24 AM
The origins were handled differently this time round, so it's not exactly a rehash. Raimi's first film dealt with the origins of Spider-Man, but Webb's version dealt with the origins of Peter Parker, and his transformation into Spider-Man. This version will focus more on Peter Parker than Spider-Man, much like The Dark Knight trilogy focused more on Bruce Wayne while the Burton/Schumaker series was more about Batman.
TheSuperguy - 2/17/2013, 12:20 PM
Just have Norman be dead, Harry tries to follow in his footsteps, becomes Green Goblin, etc. And have Norman have a history with SHIELD, so it can be tied into the MCU.
Tainted87 - 2/17/2013, 5:48 PM
I think I've made peace with TASM after I watched it the second time last week on Redbox. It had a lot going against it, and now the hard hard HARD part is past. There should be no reason why the sequel can't be the best Spider-man movie to date.

But here's what I want to see. I want to see Peter use his brain past the point of "Hey! Gwen! You ok? Good! Do you know how to run a serum? Good. I need you to get to Oscorp and make an antidote." Gwen beat the Lizard - Peter just distracted him long enough for her to replace the payload.

I want to see Peter coming up with some impressive shit beyond an imaginative guess about cross-species genetics involving the regenerative properties of a Zebrafish. I hope that Peter will also understand something kind of important here about keeping his mask ON. Too many people know his identity already, and he can't even keep track of them all.

^That in itself kind of makes Venom seem a little less interesting as a villain.
AlexRival - 2/18/2013, 11:14 AM
So you have 0 proof of Osbourne being Venom yet you believe this theory of yours? Okay, dude.
Pending - 2/18/2013, 2:40 PM
Venom is just unnecessary at this point, they don't really need him in this franchise, unless fan service is their main priority then most likely they'll just shove him in like they did with the last series.
arashini - 2/18/2013, 11:25 PM
Normy = Gobby
Eddie = Venom

Eddie ≠ Gobby
Normy ≠ Venom
PeterParker1991 - 2/19/2013, 7:43 AM
OMG this better be a joke
Chris5241 - 2/19/2013, 5:43 PM
I thought of this idea before the vid and this article came out. Besides. I don't think Webb will mess it up that hard.

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