What Was Wrong With 'THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN' & What I Want From The Sequel. (SPOILERS)

What Was Wrong With 'THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN' & What I Want From The Sequel. (SPOILERS)

These are my thoughts on where I feel the Spidey reboot messed up and what should be done with the up coming sequel.

Hey guys, Hotshot101 here. So the newest Spidey flick that will be released in 2014 'Amazing Spider-man 2' has some buzz going for it nowadays. Especially since the leaked comic-con trailer found it's way online a while ago. It's predecessor 'The Amazing Spider-man' has recieved a mixed response on this site with some loving it while others hated it. So I decided to look back on the 2012 reboot that started this franchise and write down what I thought that movie got terribly wrong and what the sequel should aim to do. Remember, these are my own thoughts and are in no way meant to offend anybody else's opinion. This article is full of SPOILERS for anyone who hasn't seen the movie.

What went wrong with 'The Amazing Spider-man'?

1. Believability of Peter Parker:


Peter Parker's most famous characteristic has always been that he wasn't like any other superhero from his time. Why? He wasn't some muscular super powered news reporter, god, billionaire or alien. Nope, he was just an ordinary kid. A nobody__no, LESS than a nobody. This genius high school loser was always pushed around, ignored by girls and didn't have 2 friends to put together to make a third. That's pretty much why back in his début in Amazing Fantasy#15, readers sympathised and related with him more than almost any other comic book character. Then after being bitten by a radio active Spider, he gained amazing superhuman abilities but his attitude was almost the same, he was still a nerdy kid inside. The original film trilogy directed by Sam Raimi did a great job of bringing this Peter Parker to the big screen in a way that was accurate to the source material while still being believable enough for the audience. This was mostly thanks to the shy, nerdy and awkward Tobey Maguire who perfectly embodied the nerdy teenager Peter Parker.


Looks just like the original Steve Ditko variation.

Now, getting to the point, one of the major flaws I found in Amazing Spider-man was that Peter Parker(Andrew Garfield) did not embody or resemble the teenager who everyone loved in Amazing Fantasy#15 or for the modern readers, Ultimate Spider-man#1. The reason for that isn't really Andrew's acting, but more of a question:WHY was he an outcast? This Peter Parker was meant to be a more modern nerd, but I really doubt that making him attractive, highly athletic, rebellious, intelligent, well-dressed and nice to everyone helped show his is nerdy side. There was no aspect of him that was even remotely nerdy and any 'awkwardness' he had, worked to his advantage. I did not believe for one second that this was Peter Parker.


The only reason this guy was beat up or unpopular was because the plot demanded it. It was just like they was trying to force it on us, "LOOK! HE'S SOOOO SUPER-RELATABLE!LOOK AT HIM!" This is Peter Parker for the TWEEN generation.

2.Peter's character development:

Every Spider-man story everywhere has started with this. Peter is this lonely guy who's bitter at the world for mistreating him. When he gets his amazing Spider abilities, he uses it to his own advantage in the start like any normal teenager would. So what's so interesting about this story? Well it's what happens next. Peter decides to let a thief escape right in front of him when he could've easily subdued him. "It's not my problem." This thief eventually shoots down Ben Parker. Peter's only father figure and one of the only people he cared about. After realising what he's done. Peter feels nothing but shame and regret, but then he has an epiphany.


Say it with me now kids, WITH GREAT POWER, COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY. THIS is the basis of every Spider man story ever told. This is the moment where Peter goes from Spider-'boy' to Spider-'man'. Peter stops thinking about only his own benefit which he always did before this moment, and he starts using his powers responsibly to help his fellow man. He becomes, THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN!


I feel that last year's Spidey flick missed out on this vital part of Peter's character development. This Peter Parker already had a habit of helping those in need as shown by his standing up to Flash...TWICE. So what changed in him? What did he learn? To put aside personal gain to act responsibly? Not that they showed this. He went on a manhunt, decided to drop it and help people again. The end. I never felt that Uncle Ben's death was a major game changer for Peter's personality here.Peter didn't go on any mission to repay a debt to his uncle which has always been the basis of his existence in pretty much every incarnation. Especially with that final line. They did a good job of showing Peter's motivations and thoughts but in the end, anything he may have learned was forgotten and he was back to square one. Thus, they messed up here, BIG TIME. Now don't give me that whole "He'll learn in the sequel" speech. That won't improve this since they should at least start with him moving forward from square one.(SPOILER) Am I supposed to cheer at the fact that he just spit on dead man's grave for his hormones? (SPOILER)

3.Tone/Theme of the movie:


The movie ignored the whole 'Friendly neighbourhood" thing and went too dark for a Spidey flick. The whole 'only comes out at night' made it feel too much like Daredevil or Batman. Spidey is supposed to be this colour figure of hope, not a dark avenger of the night. Plus the his humor didn't really brighten up the movie it was supposed to, especially with the car jacker scene. I know Spidey quips a lot, especially when fighting enemies, but unlike Deadpool, he does it at the right time and right place:


He quips just to annoy or even further tick off his enemies while in combat.That car jacker scene didn't work because:

a)Uncle Ben just died and he was on a angry manhunt. That car thief he apprehended was a possible suspect, he's the last person would joke around with. Peter wouldn't quip in that situation, he'd be pissed.

b)The scene was poorly placed. So Uncle Ben just died, the tone is dark as hell as it should be at that particular time, and Peter suddenly develops a sense of humor for the first time right there and then? It felt out of place in the movie, removed me from the story and it was pretty forced.

c)Spidey's sense of humor was too Deadpoolish. Even Spidey knows not to take a joke too far. It was like they just wanted it out of the way:"HEY LOOK! THIS SPIDEY JOKES! HE'S SUPER COMEDIC! DOESN'T MATTER HOW DOUCHEY HE APPEARS RATHER THAN CHARMING! IT'S THE FACT THAT HE JOKES THAT MAKES HIM THE PERFECT SPIDEY!" The audience was not allowed to generally grasp Spidey's attitude, instead it was all thrown at their faces in one scene. The guy had surrendered, was begging for mercy, he was zero threat. I was okay with him joking around UNTIL he kept torturing after he was webbed up. I get that you want to make Spidey joke, so throw some mild quippage in some scenes that weren't supposed to be too serious.

Come one guys, was I supposed to cheer that Spidey was torturing that guy? Or that he was dissing the police? They got the humor right in the other scenes, but this one was WAYY too much. Even though the Sam Raimi trilogy had less quipage, when it was there, it worked.

4.Peter didn't suffer:
I'll keep this one short. Peter's uncle died, he's moody for 2 minutes, gets over it and fights crime. His relationship with his girlfriend stays strong throughout, despite his promise to the captain and the only problem he has with Aunt May is that he thinks she nags too much. Peter gets off too easy with everything he does in this film without learning something from it. That is the exact opposite of Spider-man's message in general.

5.The Romance:

I think that the onscreen and off screen chemistry between the two leads:Peter and Gwen(Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone) is great. They make a great couple and my only complaint with the romance is that it's....boring. Spidey struggling with his love life and superhero responsibilities has always made for a good read over the years. These two did NOT give me a reason to root for their relationship. The hottest girl in school falls for the creepy stalker. Then after a total of 2 and a half minutes of screen time together, they're madly in love. He asks her out in one scene, next time we see them togther, they're madly in love. Any threat to their relationship is wiped away easily. Dual identity is a threat to their relationship? Peter tells her the truth in a scene that is also very out of character. (SPOILER)Her dad gave his life to save him and just asked that he stay away from her so that she'd be safe? "Screw that, HORMONES!" *movie ends with them expecting you to cheer.*(END OF SPOILER) Why should I care about these two being together? They spend the entire movie in love and constantly making out with zero threat. At least in the old movies, Peter and MJ knew each other from childhood and they struggled before getting together. That made their relationship worth something.

The whole struggleless romance with two perfectly beautiful leads felt like Twilight.

I guess this movie felt too much like it was made for Tweens on TUMBLR than for long-time Spidey fans. That's just my opinion though. That's the end of my rant.

Now onto the upcoming sequel. Judging by the trailer, it looks like they learned a lot from their mistakes and are doing somethings better like the more friendly neighbourhood tone and new suit:


This movie looks much better than the first so far so I'll get to what I expect:

1.Originality: One problem with the reboot last year was that it was too familiar. Too much of the story was familiar. I hope that now the origin story is done, the familiarity with old movies won't be too much. That whole 'Laundry' sheriff scene could not be a more obvious reference to Spider-man 2 and was pretty cheesy and unfunny. It should be removed. So far the story has been explained as :"He can't be Spider man anymore", just like Spider-man 2. It's too early for me to judge it but I hope they don't rip off Spider man 2. "Stops bus with his bare hands."

2.Balance the sub-plots: We've heard news of multiple villains like Electro, Rhino, Green Goblin and maybe some mention of the sinister six. The problem with Spider-man 3 was that there was too much thrown in there. Too many villains and sub-plots and not enough focus was given to any of them. I hope this movie doesn't fall prey to the same problmem.

3.Balance the tone: The movie's tone looks much better but it shouldn't be like Ironman 2 which wasn't serious enough. I hope the movie takes itself seriously enough so that the story can flow with Peter actually learning something but not be too gritty like the first one.

4.Spidey's quippage timing: So far in the trailer, we've seen Spidey's humor done right. He was cocky at the right time and actually helped Max up the way Spidey would."Lick that. You're not a Nobody. YOU ARE SOMEBODY. You're my eyes and ears out here Max!" Basically, keep him cocky but make sure he takes the situation seriously when he needs to. NO carjacker scene reminder.

Well these are my thoughts on the old film and upcoming sequel.It's simply my own opinion and I'll say it again, not meant to offend anybody else's opinion of the movie. I think Amazing Spider-man is still a pretty solid movie. If done right, "Amazing Spider-man 2" Still has the potential to be the greatest Spidey flick yet(Especially if Jim Carrey is really in it.) As usual, sound off your thoughts in the comments section.

HOTSHOT OUT.
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GizmoEl - 8/21/2013, 12:41 PM
I think TASM tackled the outcast problem quite well. Just cause Andrew is more attractive than Tobey doesn't mean that Tobey's Peter was more faithful.

Peter, in the comics, ends up with a model. He dates some of the most popular girls in school. Sure, the early versions of Pete showed him as an uber-nerd.. but lately he's been portrayed as a normal guy. Look at him in Civil War, he's a good looking guy. What makes Spidey appealing is how down to earth and real he is. He has financial problems etc. I think Raimi's Spidey went a little over the top and relied on comedy in those situations a bit much. TASM hasn't really tackled the issue yet, I hope they do
Highflyer - 8/21/2013, 1:00 PM
About thee whole car jacker scene, Peter was still hostie towards him. He wasn't as friendly he would be if it were someone else. Plus He didn't meet the car jacker on the same night uncle ben died. I didn't love TAS but many of your point don't make sense to me. Like in raimi's film, peter hardly mourned at all. You say two minutes simply because we watched it as two minutes but in the movie peter seems to suffer much longer than that. Did you want him to cry for the entire movie?
MegaPrime1107 - 8/21/2013, 1:08 PM
Look at this guy trying to act like his editorial is news worthy. :] TASM > 2001 SM
It's pretty much his biased opinions summed up. He must feel smart.
HOTSHOT - 8/21/2013, 1:09 PM
Yeah sorry about the whole news thing, I'll correct it immediately
MegaPrime1107 - 8/21/2013, 1:09 PM
TASM > 2001 SM

You either like it or don't. The film gets enough criticism and hate. Leave it alone now.
HOTSHOT - 8/21/2013, 1:11 PM
@Megaprimeike I said, it's only my OWN opinion. I said this twice. No offence to anyone else's.
MegaPrime1107 - 8/21/2013, 1:15 PM
@hotshot101 Yes and you're being biased. Being biased = Hating
WYLEEJAY - 8/21/2013, 1:32 PM
The entire Peter was relatable thing, back in the sixties when he was an uber nerd as you put it, that uber nerd worked back then. It didn't last long, and people still felt relatable. Nowadays, to make him that uber nerd, like in the Raimi films, would feel forced and unrelatable. Theres other ways to depict a character as an outcast. I'm glad they did it the way they did. If there's nothing relatable about the version of Peter Parker in the Amazing Spider man, then your in a minority of people. Cause anyone should be able to find something to relate to. The Raimi version is harder to nowadays. I don't mean race when I say minority either, just referring to the small number of people that couldn't find anything at all that they have in common with Peter Parker.
Tainted87 - 8/21/2013, 1:34 PM
I'm much more optimistic about the sequel now these days than I was when TASM came out.

I actually understand why Peter isn't made to be some super dork who gets picked on like he originally was in the comics. For one, this generation is vastly different, and while you still have bullies and introverts, the median between those has only grown bigger. Had Peter been this quiet and shy kid who doesn't talk to people, then we'd have a hard time believing Spider-man would be the annoying and wise-cracking smart-ass we all know. On the other hand, that would make Spider-man an outlet - a true dual identity where he can talk sh*t till the world ends... because he's got the mask. That would sort of come off as cowardly though.
Highflyer - 8/21/2013, 1:34 PM
People don't have to be unattractive to be bullied. Neither do people have to wear glasses all of the time to look like a scientist. That was the same complaint people held against Norton because 'He didn't look like a scientist.'
Jollem - 8/21/2013, 1:36 PM
1. raimi's was a good golden age peter. webb's is a great ultimate/current real-world peter. raimi's was good, but i want to get out of the 60's, thanks

"WHY was he an outcast?". for the same reasons others are, most likely

"Peter Parker(Andrew Garfield) did not embody or resemble the teenager who everyone loved in Amazing Fantasy#15"

yes, he did not say "oh boy", "gee shucks", and "gosh golly". i can do without that just fine

"This Peter Parker was meant to be a more modern nerd, but I really doubt that making him attractive, highly athletic, rebellious, intelligent, well-dressed and nice to everyone helped show his is nerdy side."

well, displaying intelligence WOULD be a good way to shown the nerdy bits

in all iterations peter has been attractive, highly athletic, and rebellious

well-dressed is subjective:) and what's the problem with peter being nice?

"There was no aspect of him that was even remotely nerdy"

you have to be kidding. really? there were many, many moments that showed that peter was a smart, social outcast

"any 'awkwardness' he had, worked to his advantage."

what?

"The only reason this guy was beat up or unpopular was because the plot demanded it. It was just like they was trying to force it on us, "LOOK! HE'S SOOOO SUPER-RELATABLE!LOOK AT HIM!" This is Peter Parker for the TWEEN generation."

maybe the plot "demands" showing peter is an outcast because he actually IS an outcast

like you said;

"he was just an ordinary kid. A nobody__no, LESS than a nobody. This genius high school loser was always pushed around, ignored by girls and didn't have 2 friends to put together to make a third. That's pretty much why back in his début in Amazing Fantasy#15, readers sympathised and related with him more than almost any other comic book character."

so, you're kind of contradicting yourself, there

that's what he is and that's what webb did

2. way off here

peter was out for revenge at first. george stacy later dropped some knowledge on peter about really being a hero and not just a vigilante thug. i thought that was great, btw. also, remember uncle been lecturing peter about getting even and what good it really does? nice

"I never felt that Uncle Ben's death was a major game changer for Peter's personality here."

i believe it changed him quite a bit

"anything he may have learned was forgotten and he was back to square one."

peter is a teenager, and teenagers make mistakes. it's live and learn. these kinds of things have happened in the comics before. he also didn't necessarily break his promise. what cpt. stacy said was "leave her out of this". "this", being the spider-man thing. so, he cares about gwen so much that he is willing to try to see her while trying to keep her away from the spider-man thing. most likely, it won't work out. oh, no!! what if she dies because of it? wouldn't that just make for something interesting to happen in a movie? what, did you not want peter to ever see gwen again? give me break

3. peter is still in high school. the night time is usually the spider-time. he did some vigilante stuff in the daytime, also. i thought they got spidey's humor and pretty much everything spot-on

there was nothing wrong with the car-jacker scene. he was messing around, then got serious

oh, the poor, poor car thief. please, this whole argument is lame. he "tortured" the "poor" car thief who wouldn't think twice about killing a mother and her child for her car and money? yeah, sorry. not gonna feel sorry for him or flash

i liked when spidey smack-talked the cop who shouldn't have been given a gun in the first place :)

4. wrong. just wrong. that's all i'm gonna say

5. one of, if not THE best relationships in any marvel movie



tasm 2 is gonna rock!

...spider-rock

McNyagano - 8/21/2013, 1:39 PM
My reaction to this article:

HOTSHOT - 8/21/2013, 1:42 PM
Sorry if my opinion came off as biased. That wasn't my intention. It's not that I want an exact sweater vest Peter like in the 60s. I just didn't see anything that made Andrew look or act like an outcast. He felt like a generally likable high school kid who's very athletic and intelligent. He did some great acting but he didn't scream geek like many people say he does.
TheOneAboveAll - 8/21/2013, 1:47 PM
I think Levi should write an editorial like this where he goes into depth what he would want in the next Spidey movie or what he wants Spidey to evolve into
Giznad - 8/21/2013, 1:48 PM
@Jollem, lol, you know what you're talking about, BUT I believe he did say "oh boy" when he was fighting the Lizard at the school. Lol. I still understand your context, though.
Jollem - 8/21/2013, 1:54 PM
@Giznad - lol, i think you're right. and yeah, i've drawn spider-man thousands of times ever since i was 4 and loved him for over a quarter-century, so i might say that i know a few things :)
McNyagano - 8/21/2013, 1:55 PM
@Jollem

Frankly, I think the "peter is a teenager, and teenagers make mistakes." argument is fairly weak, too. We know he's bound to make mistakes. But what Raimi's Spider-Man series realized was that the epitomal mistake of Parker's career was Uncle Ben's death. And that this was a choice that was Peter's fault. Peter makes that same choice in TASM, but refuses to learn from it. I can't take the "youth" argument after I've seen it done correctly.

Both SM1 and TASM feature Peter Parker as the same age. Which ending shows Peter as Spider-Man? The man who accepts his responsibility as a hero?

This:


Or this?:



Getting away from the fact that there's no reason Peter should be late to class, and getting away from the fact the theme is shoved down your throat for the millionth time in "There is only one story! WHO AM I? OH, MR. PARKER, YOU'RE LATE!" this ending completely destroys the arc of the film for me.



Platinum - 8/21/2013, 1:57 PM
I agree with this article the problem was execution I've seen movies that handle these subjects way better Kick-Ass and Chronicle to name a few. TASM is the shallow end of the spectrum.
Platinum - 8/21/2013, 1:59 PM
Having two people die and also putting your girlfriend in danger multiple times and not learning from it isn't making a mistake it's being an asshole.
Jollem - 8/21/2013, 2:04 PM
@McNyagano - i disagree. i like raimi's, but i like webb's better
McNyagano - 8/21/2013, 2:08 PM
@Jollem

Those two scenes speak for themselves dude. One's a dick and one's a hero who has accepted responsibilty, you should be able to distinguish the two :)
Odin - 8/21/2013, 2:10 PM
@hotshot101 Everything you said about TASM, I agree 100%.

Even though I didn't like TASM that much, I still have high hopes for the sequel.

@ManOfReal People have right to express their opinions about CBMs on this site, even if you disagree with them. It's also compeletly absurd to think that Sony would ever return to Raimi's Spiderman; it's done, it's over.
LEVITIKUZ - 8/21/2013, 2:19 PM
MegaPrime1107

TASM > 01 Spidey

Considering 02 Spidey got better reviews and made more money without IMAX and 3D, that ain't fact.

One point I do agree on is Peter Parker. I like Andrew but I just don't see it with him as Peter. He looks too cool and if I might say good looking (no homo). Tobey gets hate for looking too nerdy too dorky BUT THAT'S WHAT SPIDER-MAN IS!!! I like Andrew as an actor but I don't see how he can pull it off in a way.
Jollem - 8/21/2013, 2:20 PM
@McNyagano - it's two different takes on spider-man. it's pretty simple. they're both good
HOTSHOT - 8/21/2013, 2:21 PM
@Jollem, '"WHY was he an outcast?". for the same reasons others are, most likely"

So Andrew was a clumsy, teacher's favorite and Unattractive loser? Hehe,.good one.

" you have to be kidding. really? there were many, many moments that showed that peter was a smart, social outcast"

My question isn't that was he an outcast or not, it was why WOULD he be an outcast? He was pretty much the rebellious, athletic and attractive guy who normally gets super popular in real life. Being smart isn't enough to classify you as unpopular( unless you are still referencing the Golden Age)

"there was nothing wrong with the car-jacker scene. he was messing around, then got serious

oh, the poor, poor car thief. please, this whole argument is lame. he "tortured" the "poor" car thief who wouldn't think twice about killing a mother and her child for her car and money? yeah, sorry. not g"

I'm not sympathising with the car.thief. It's.more like he just became a typical Joker for one scene all of a sudden. I just didn't think it was a great way to introduce his cocky attitude. It felt too much. Was I suppose to cheer? Was the scene supposed to be funny or gritty? He's joking...all dark and serious...Jokin again!.All dark and serious. One scene, unedited.

"i believe it changed him quite a bit"
Okay how? Made him more moody for a bit?"

"peter is a teenager, and teenagers make mistakes. it's live and learn. these kinds of things have happened in the comics before."

All Peters were teens. I don't recall they broke dead mens' promises. Why not call it."Almost amazing Spider boy?"

" he also didn't necessarily break his promise. what cpt. stacy said was "leave her out of this". "this", being the spider-man thing. so, he cares about gwen so much that he is willing to try to see her while trying to keep her away from the spider-man thing. most likely, it won't work out. oh, no!! what if she dies because of it? wouldn't that just make for something interesting to happen in a movie? what, did you not want peter to ever see gwen again? give me break"

Of course I'd want them back together. But I'm just saying that this whole thing could have been saved for the sequel. Peter would have kept his promise then suffered breaking it in the sequel. That would' So far it looks like the sequence fix this and I'm excited for that but as a stand alone film, the ending sucked. It took away Peter's Redemption.

" liked when spidey smack-talked the cop who shouldn't have been given a gun in the first place :)"

The police are running an investigation on the car thieves, a guy shows up in a mask and suddenly interrupts their investigation. I think the police officer pulling a gun on a possible suspect is justified. Spidey disarming him was fine, its just mocking the officer that made it suck.

" wrong. just wrong. that's all i'm gonna say"

Your opinion and I respect it.

"tasm 2 is gonna rock!"

Like I said it most likely will. I just give some thoughts on what day should be careful about doing.
Jollem - 8/21/2013, 2:23 PM
@hotshot101 - appreciate the effort, but the article is a load of bollicks. not hatin' on you, but almost everything you said was silly as i explained previously :)
Platinum - 8/21/2013, 2:31 PM
Jollem

"Peter hasn't forgotten about the promise he made to Gwen's father to protect her by staying away - but that's a promise he just can't keep."
^
From the official synopsis, Yea your kinda wrong about Captain Stacey's promise there.
GinjaNinja - 8/21/2013, 2:31 PM
He came out at night, also Marvel movies get trashed on because they aren't dark enough. Yet now people are to mad about dark? Also he had quite a bit of jabber throughout the film not just the car thief scene. I think the only issue with the film was it was a second origins story in 10 years. Its going to be redundant no matter what. So its hard to really make it feel different. I actually personally liked the movie and think it has a good shot at being great after getting origins out of the way.

Movie still made more than Man of Steel.
DrDoom - 8/21/2013, 2:32 PM
TASM sucks, sequel should be cancelled, reboot now under Marvel Studios
LEVITIKUZ - 8/21/2013, 2:39 PM
^

This
HOTSHOT - 8/21/2013, 2:40 PM
@McNyagano - couldn't have said it better myself.
Jollem - 8/21/2013, 2:41 PM
@BeanzReilly - okay. simply, he broke a promise. happens all the time. he's doing it for love, man. you ever been in love before? try it out sometime if you haven't. it's good stuff. it'll grow hair on yer chest and whatnot :)
GinjaNinja - 8/21/2013, 2:42 PM
I understand the movies flaws and can see why people would hate it. For some reason I just really liked it. Again I think the main issue was trying to redo something to soon.
@doom chances of that are slim :( but I would totally dig if that happened. Sony seems to want to work with Marvel so who knows, if this one is really a good film then a they might think about a crossover.
HOTSHOT - 8/21/2013, 2:42 PM
@Doom, undoubtedly.
GinjaNinja - 8/21/2013, 2:43 PM
Lol jollem that last one made me laugh a little.
GinjaNinja - 8/21/2013, 2:43 PM
I feel this film is good enough that if it was in the Marvel universe it would solid.
McNyagano - 8/21/2013, 2:45 PM
@Jollem

Peter's last line to Gwen "yeah but those are the best kind" was bullshit. It's bad writing, plain and simple, especially when Peter was supposed to have accomplished his much needed self-realization in which he embraced the responsibilities that came along with his powers, he ends up back to square one.

If he'll learn about responsibilities when Gwen dies, what did Uncle Ben die for then? That was whole point of his death, and the lesson Peter should have drawn from it.Uncle Ben's death doesnt set him on the path to responsibility (he even failed to acknowledge he might have been a tad bit responsible, and thus prefers to go on a vengeful crusade) and top of that he fails to catch the killer *sigh*
GinjaNinja - 8/21/2013, 2:48 PM
@mcny Its a different look at the films. The last one was just uncle ben is dead, now I am changed. This one is trying to show that a lot of times you don't just up and change. We will see the direction they are going in the sequel
Jollem - 8/21/2013, 2:50 PM
@McNyagano - well, he is still responsible. oh, the responsibility. he is still going to see gwen, tho. don't you worry, i'm sure he'll still be doing his superhero thing :)

how about you just wait and see about stuff? preemptive speculating will get you almost nowhere
Jollem - 8/21/2013, 2:51 PM
@dougieisrollingthejays - you seem level-headed. that's refreshing :)
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