Here comes Superman to save the… franchise?

Does DC/WB have what it takes to make amends?
I write this to you all in regards to my previous article “SUPERMAN: To reboot or not to reboot… that is the question!” which became a “top story” in no time having the very fans of the character battling over the issue of a possible reboot. As we are all aware of the outcome of such a decision, it leaves us wondering “what if they continued with what was made of Superman’s continuity?” Does DC/WB have the tools to repair the damages, to make the wrong things right again without having to reboot it?

Due to the recent “halt” in development of possible upcoming comic book related projects, us world wide fans are pretty much left in the dark, frozen in awe of what is to become of our favorite childhood heroes’ future on the big screen. We know what the reason behind the halt is but we don’t know what the outcome will be. In regards to Superman’s franchise, change is drastically needed as half the fan base is demanding almost begging for a reboot. The other half can’t dispute the fact that the storyline took a turn so ugly no one in their right mind could’ve predicted. What could have pushed an individual to willingly commit such an atrocious tragedy of what was his very own favorite superhero of all time? And why didn’t the executives stop him? It makes us wonder if they actually read the script at all. And judging from the legal dispute they have with Fox, I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t. It would actually explain a lot and it would pretty much confirm the need they have to halt everything and have a sit down to check every single detail. Captain Marvel was shut down completely, could it be because yet another mistake was just about to happen and they were quick enough to stop it this time? All we’re sure of is that either way, Superman’s franchise needs radical restructuring! Do we need to go as deep as to explore DC’s complex multi-verse to do it? Maybe not…

I firmly believe that Superman’s foundations are rock solid yet the faulty tower that was built on it was dangerously unstable and requires to be put down. In short, for something that colossal to be destroyed and rebuilt, I think the best option would be for Death itself to rear his ugly head and come on a knockin’. It has been said for ages that Superman’s own death was not only the best selling storyline of his existence but also what most fans wish to see live on the silver screen. It, like many other projects, at one time was to be produced however it was cancelled because they feared the technology wasn’t advanced enough to make it appealing to the masses. Kerry Gammill (which also happens to be one of my favorite artists of the Superman comic books) was to be responsible for the conceptual art of the movie. In his book “Drawing monsters and heroes for film and comics”, he shows us sketches of what was supposed to be Doomsday and explains the reason why the movie didn’t happen. Well, if Incredible Hulk’s success didn’t prove us that Doomsday can be done brilliantly by using CGI for their main villain Abomination, then nothing ever will. I believe the time has finally come.

If we examine the problems at hand that the latest movie “Superman Returns” brought, we’ll see that his death could very well change the opinion we have of this bound to be rebooted franchise. The first issue at hand is of course the fact that after coming back from a 7 year trip to the graveyard that is now Krypton, he discovered much to his surprise that he is now a father. Granted this is not at all the accurate origins of the character we know and love named Superboy however, it just might be the perfect way to bring him into play so to speak. Also, we seem to notice a lack of originality when it comes to challenges he encounters. Except for “Superman 2” which was the most popular of the five, every challenge he has met at the box office was earth based and the concept seems a bit overly exploited and illogical considering that the best villains and challenges he has encountered in the comic books came from space. Lex Luther is vital to Superman’s continuity, not as a main villain but as the brilliant business man we know to always plot in the background to finally be rid of the only thorn in his side. And the last detail was to be the cast of the movie. Brandon Routh did pick up nicely where Christopher Reeves had left off and Kevin Spacey was more than enough talented to fill in Gene Hackman’s shoes but for the rest of the cast, the characters weren’t portrayed rightfully as they should have. And this idea I have thought of, could be the answer to the problems we perceive of Superman’s new storyline.

Ten years have passed since the events of Superman Returns and Lex Luther wasn’t arrested since the incriminating evidence of his last plot had been thrown in the Sun. Superman did what he had to do even though he wasn’t pleased of the outcome, it was the lesser of two evils. After this last attempt, acknowledging that Superman has come back to stay this time around, Lex turned over a new leaf. His brilliant mind still led him to the corrupt occasional activity however he was determined to find better ways of getting the power he richly desired. In the ten years, he became a real “shark” on Wall Street, acquiring stocks of various international companies and becoming one of America’s most powerful businessmen in history. His upcoming goal as publically announced will be to run for presidency. Lex being the new owner of an important oil company has had teams digging in Antarctica for the last few years. They came upon a discovery that seemed to be alien artifacts, a space ship to be precise. Before his archaeologists could get there, the warmth that was generated to sustain life in the crevice for the workers, thawed the ships mechanisms as well as what was left dormant inside. The earth shook and the ships hull exploded creating a back draft that destroyed everything in the crevice. Outside workers were appalled to see this event as a creature immerged from the hole. In a blind Fury it destroyed everything on sight leaving nothing behind except for silence and death.

In Metropolis, Lois and Clark’s son has grown up a bit. He is a teenager going regularly to high school for fear of getting scolded by his adoptive father Richard White. One fine day at school, as he is sitting in his math class, an impact was heard not to far from school grounds near the football field. As every student crouched under their desks, Jason was curious as to what had created that impact and left his class room to investigate. As he neared the Gym, the wall next to him collapsed and a gruesome silhouette emerged from the rubble. It appeared that Doomsday had a built in tracking system that could locate beings with Kryptonian blood flowing in their veins. Jason being the closest one, he directed himself to Jason’s location. He started to attack Jason in frenzy and even with Jason’s developing super powers; he was no match for Doomsday. Lois being one of the first to hear the news at her office, she rushed over to her son’s high school to find him lying in a puddle of his own blood… with no pulse. The police noticed the culprit’s trail which seemed to lead towards the city. Doomsday leaving nothing but mass destruction behind him was tracking down the next closest being to have kryptonian blood… Superman. After dealing with a massive landslide on the outskirt of Metropolis that would have been responsible for the death of thousands of people, he left in super speed towards his son’s high school to deal with the situation. Doomsday feeling that his prey had fled away from him, started to wreck havoc in the heart of Metropolis. Upon arriving too late on the scene, the chief of police explained the situation that Jason had perished at the hands of this ravaging monster that headed towards town. The ambulance took Jason and her inconsolable mother to the hospital. In a fit of absolute rage he flew in the killer’s path to destroy him.

At the hospital, Lex Luther himself came to see Lois which was sitting in a river of her own tears, to offer her something a loving mother couldn’t refuse. It had appeared that Mr. Luther had secretly started a research facility at Lex Corp which had a single purpose… human cloning. He offered it at no cost since it would be their first test subject. When Lois saw that he wasn’t kidding, she put aside the risks and their horrid past and accepted. All Lex needed was a lock of hair from Jason. Upon examining Jason’s DNA, his researchers let him know of the anomaly being that he was half Kryptonian. Lex was ecstatic to learn that his suspicions he had in their last encounter, had been accurate. That he was indeed Superman’s son! So he spliced Jason’s DNA with his own in hopes that he might be able to control him somehow. Unfortunately, Jason was reborn with no memory what so ever and his father had already passed away in the climactic battle that almost destroyed the city. When Lex found out that Jason had no memory, he eagerly took Kal-El’s place as Jason’s father. He then went to Lois’s home to announce that his experiment failed and left their family to morn… heading towards his limo with a smirk on his face. After Superman’s world wide broadcasted funeral, sightings of him appeared on the news with very little detail and no pictures to confirm the allegations. Everyone was glued daily in front of their television in hopes that the reports were right. Enter “The Reign of The Supermen”!!!

Since time has passed, and since the cast was pretty much god awful aside from the two main actors, I will recast every role for this plot. Starting with Superman, his character hasn’t aged much in ten years since a Kryptonian doesn’t age as fast as a human but since I am recasting the whole cast, it would be nice to have an actor that has a more “experienced” look than what Brandon Routh had and maybe slightly older. My good friend LastSon1027 had this pick for a younger Jor-el in the previous article but since this story calls for an actor that can pull off the intensity needed as well as the look of the character. TheSoulEater had previously mentioned him in a post in 2008. I give you… James Caviezel as Superman, Cyborg and Eradicator!



I was a very big fan of Kevin Spacey’s portrayal of Lex Luther however, in the years past his character grew and became a harder, colder and less of a comical person to survive the harsh business world. Now even though I know that Kevin is talented enough to prove that he can pull of a different take of the same character, for some reason I feel it would be better to recast the role so that we can experience someone else’s take on him. This pick was given to us from wadewilson1 in my previous article. I felt shocked from the realisation that even though in 1989 he gave us one of the best portrayals of the caped crusader, today he is more than perfect for this darker role as he has proven to have the range to be a psychotic murderer in Pacific Heights and in Desperate Measures as well as brilliantly playing a mature father figure in the thriller White Noise. And his screen presence is strikingly similar to the ever so popular version of Lex in the animated series of Superman. I give you… Michael Keaton as Lex Luther!



As for Lois Lane, Kate Bosworth left the role a stale and uninteresting void of a character. This was not the Lois we knew of and offered nothing to the people who weren’t familiar with her character. Now Erica Durance on the other hand is everything us fan boys dreamed of as the best portrayal of Lois however, in this storyline, she would be in her late 30’s. Since there are a few very talented actresses of that generation, it made it quite difficult for me to cast this role. However one does stand out from the crowd as her beauty seems to be unaffected by time and her talent more than perfectly suits Lois’s personality. Most of us remember her from her popular role in Unfaithful but the roles I remember her for was her highly investigative and passionate part in Judge Dredd as Judge Hershey as well as the agent Nina Chance that she played along side Wesley Snipes in Murder at 1600. I give you… Diane Lane as Lois Lane!



For the role of Jason White better known as Superboy, this one proves to be even more difficult. Young teen actors rarely have much experience to back them for such an important role. This pick came from another good friend JosLezio85 for a different role however I find he fits this one perfectly. The best example of his talent will be showed in what is anticipated as the next epic adaptation failure known as DragonBall: Evolution, the main problem being the changes from the source material. He has enough experience to back my choice but in this movie he plays the role of a teen, chosen to defend earth from an alien menace and more than adequately proves that he has what it takes to play Superboy. I give you… Justin Chatwin as Superboy!



This character unfortunately was terribly portrayed by a basket ball player known as Shaq. He really shouldn’t have quit his day job. This is why we need someone with the talent to undo the evil that was imposed on John Henry Irons. I believe the actor I’ve picked has what it takes even though he might not be known for similar roles. I give you… Dennis Haysbert as Steel!



As for Jimmy Olsen’s role, we would also need an older actor but he would still have to be able to fit Jimmy’s profile. I think we might need someone that can pull a dramatic role all while being the funny bone to lighten things up. This has always been one of my favourite actors for a comedic role as he has made my squirt milk through my nostrils more than once on the sit-com Men Behaving Badly along side Rob Schneider but his best role I find was in Mystery Alaska where he played with Russell Crowe. I give you… Ron Eldard as Jimmy Olsen!



James Marsden is a brilliant actor but to us he will always be that douche of a boy scout known as Cyclops. His portrayal probably felt wrong for that single reason but he still delivered a great one. This next pick is a long shot since it is only a small part but a very dramatic one. I would only dream of this actor playing the role of Superboy’s adoptive father and as the new editor in chief of the Daily Planet(since in this story line Perry has pased away)but who knows, it just might happen. I give you Greg Kinnear as Richard White!



And last but not least, everybody’s favourite pick for this role would have been Michael Clark Duncan however I do believe he is best suited for Darkseid. This character will probably mostly be made by CGI and a computer alterated voice however, if they did decide to save a buck or two on FX, one actor does have the original voice, the build and the talent to play this role as he has proven it in Underworld as Raze. I give you… Kevin Grevioux as Doomsday!



The “Shaman” has spoken!
39 Yes
48 No
Shaman
1/13/2009

122 Comments

awesome article shaman, just an fyi lane smith died almost 4 years ago.
bertilrud - 1/13/2009, 1:33 PM
Man, i can't get a break LOL. I fixed it, thanks for the info :))
Shaman - 1/13/2009, 1:38 PM
Cyclops is a douche of a boy scout? Good bye, now.
slimybug - 1/13/2009, 1:53 PM
Yes but.. but.. we love him that way LOLOL :P We NEED him as a douche!!!
Shaman - 1/13/2009, 1:56 PM
HOW ABOUT TOM WELLING AS SUPES AND LOUIS IN SMALLVILLE AS LOUIS..SMALLVILL IS AN APETIZER FOR WHAT PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE HAPPEN...I WANNA SEE


GUNSMITH - 1/13/2009, 2:27 PM
I think Michael Keaton could bring new dimension needed to keep Lex Luthor a main opponent for Supes, Chatwin would be pretty good as Superboy, and Greg Kinnear is one of my favorite actors and he can hold his own against Jack Nicholson (in As Good As It Gets), that alone gives him credibility to be in a Superman movie :)

and Dennis Haysbert would be an awesome Steel, as opposed to the has been known as Shaq
SGA - 1/13/2009, 2:38 PM
and if everyone's going to be a bit older, I think Jim Caviezel would be the PERFECT Superman.

he is an incredible actor who has a jewish heritage just like the creators of superman (if that has any effect on the role, which i doubt) and i mean, c'mon, he has played the most powerful portrayal of Jesus in recent history.

If anyone is suited to play Superman, it's "Jesus"
they're practically equal. lol
SGA - 1/13/2009, 2:41 PM
and if everyone's going to be a bit older, I think Jim Caviezel would be the PERFECT Superman.

he is an incredible actor who has a jewish heritage just like the creators of superman (if that has any effect on the role, which i doubt) and i mean, c'mon, he has played the most powerful portrayal of Jesus in recent history.

If anyone is suited to play Superman, it's "Jesus"
they're practically equal. lol
SGA - 1/13/2009, 2:41 PM
and if everyone's going to be a bit older, I think Jim Caviezel would be the PERFECT Superman.

he is an incredible actor who has a jewish heritage just like the creators of superman (if that has any effect on the role, which i doubt) and i mean, c'mon, he has played the most powerful portrayal of Jesus in recent history.

If anyone is suited to play Superman, it's "Jesus"
they're practically equal. lol
SGA - 1/13/2009, 2:41 PM
and if everyone's going to be a bit older, I think Jim Caviezel would be the PERFECT Superman.

he is an incredible actor who has a jewish heritage just like the creators of superman (if that has any effect on the role, which i doubt) and i mean, c'mon, he has played the most powerful portrayal of Jesus in recent history.

If anyone is suited to play Superman, it's "Jesus"
they're practically equal. lol
SGA - 1/13/2009, 2:41 PM
crap....sorry, i didn't mean to post that half a million times.
SGA - 1/13/2009, 2:42 PM
Okay GUNSMITH, please read the whole article. I know there's alot to read but the plot is very well explained. Would you see Weilling with a freakin 18 year old son?

Thanks SGA, when i wrote it, i thought i would offend you about the comment towards Dragonball. Thing is i'm still going to see no matter what is said about that movie. I just related to the majority on that one.

Good point also about Jesus LOL :)
Shaman - 1/13/2009, 2:42 PM
I think sam jackson should be lex luthor, he would just bring life 2 that villian, and if louis lane is 2 be older i say let terri hatcher play her, and if anyone know there superman history im not going to explain why, yall should just kno.
zinext - 1/13/2009, 2:52 PM
GUNSMITH-

I completely agree:

TOM WELLING as SUPERMAN
ERICA DURANCE as LOIS LANE

But honestly Shaman, I think you've outdone yourself on this one! Good Show 'Ol Man!!!!

Excellent Picks!!
Excellent Story!!
Excellent Article!!
Talontd - 1/13/2009, 3:10 PM
Sam jackson does have the talent for the role, i'll give him credit. But he's everywhere and i don't want him in that role. Not because of his color but because he's already a great Nick Fury and should leave this role alone. I know he's a mega fan boy of Superman himself but i would prefer someone else. And good comment about Hatcher, i did think of her however, Diane Lane has always been a preference of mine and is IMHO more talented than Terri to appear on the big screen. But great points Zinext :)

Well thanks Talond, that is a great compliment and i apreciate it :)) And i agree with both of you guys just not with this storyline. They'd be prefect for the more recent years of Kal-El :)
Shaman - 1/13/2009, 3:13 PM
SHAMAN-

Welling will be 32 in April. They could easily make him appear to be 35 and have Chatman play his 17yr old son....remember the looks have nothing to do with his actual age, he's Superman.
Talontd - 1/13/2009, 3:14 PM
I agreed with all these picks Shaman. Amazing Cast! You know I'm a huge Welling fan but I think the only way to bring him in is to reboot the franchise completely because he does look like a younger Superman. I love Caviezel, he's an awesome actor. And by the way thanks for the shout out!!

I love your pick for Lois. Diane Lane is a great actress and absolutely smoking hot! I mean I don't think I could have picked a better Lois for this story.

Steel was another great pick. Thank you for not saying SHAQ! That would have deserved a bitch slap, but we all know you got more skills than that.

I like Chatwin for Superboy too, much more so than Goku.

I gotta tell you I am SUPER (no pun intended) impressed. And that says a lot man cause the Death of Superman is my all time favorite story line. I have the whole thing from Doomsday to Reign to Return all collected in Single issue. SO mad props to you Shaman! Mad Props!!
LastSon1027 - 1/13/2009, 3:22 PM
ok i hate to be mr. spell check, but its lois, not louis. louis is a guys name.

GUNSMITH and zinext
bertilrud - 1/13/2009, 3:32 PM
Yea that is the only problem wit sam, he is everywere!!! but I belive every great actor should have a role in the dc universe and in the marvel universe IMHO.
zinext - 1/13/2009, 3:34 PM
**************************Please email me at Durkin2008@hotmail.com with your response cause I really wanna know what everyone thinks***************************

Okay, Shaman, while you spun a great story here, I think the problem is that it's basically doing what Alien Resurrection did back in the late '90's: Trying to resuscitate a movie that was so strongly disliked that the end product is this creation that just takes the movie further into a direction people don't want it to. I mean first of all, none of us have seen decent Superman movie in our Generation (Gen Y). So I at least, don't wanna see the Super-Bastard-Son at all, I just wanna see Superman in all his CGI ass-kicking glory. Next, how shallow would that make Lois that she would just clone her dead son. Lois is portrayed as smart enough that she would understand a clone is merely a carbon copy of the original, but NOT the original. It's a bit murky in the ethics department, and that wouldn't be fun. BTW, you're not the first ones to pick Jim Caviezel as Supes (he was originally in the running before Signer got on board) or Keaton as Luthor (the creators of Smallville had him in mind when they were screening for Lex on the show.

Honestly while the story was good, I think it's still settling because people want something more sophisticated than what's been given to us and the best way to do that is with a reboot.

**************************Please email me at Durkin2008@hotmail.com with your response cause I really wanna know what everyone thinks***************************
TheDurkinKnight - 1/13/2009, 3:34 PM
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BTW, Bertilrud...why did you update Shaman on Lane Smith...I didn't even see his name mentioned in the article?

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TheDurkinKnight - 1/13/2009, 3:36 PM
because lane smith was on there the first time i read it
bertilrud - 1/13/2009, 3:41 PM
Shaman, the casting for your superman movie is great, but the story i feel wouldnt work, okay yes its a very cool story and i would very much enjoy to see it on the big screen, but the problem is, is that if there was a superman movie made like this where superman is allegedly dead and jason is dead etc then chances are that the general public will probably not particularly like it, yes comic fans like yourself and I would love to see this type of thing happen, but for general movie go-ers superman needs to stick to the whole stip the bad guy rescue the damsel save the world routine, otherwise it will be another flop at the box office, despite how true to the comics or cool it may be, and Warner bros. isnt likely to make a movie purely for fans but rather for all, plus i'm beginnign to feel that the whole death of superman/ doomsday story is beginning to get rather overused, i.e. superman: doomsday, smallville etc i would very much like to see luthor in his green power suit as opposed to being a minor character with little conflict with superman himself,

Great article.
superdude05 - 1/13/2009, 3:45 PM
LASTSON1027-

I think Welling only looks like a younger Superman on Smallville because they are desperately trying to make him look younger. He is 32 playing a 22yr old...

THEDURKINKNIGHT-

No way was Keaton in the running to play Lex on Smallville.....HE'S 56YRS OLD!!!! He was never in talks to play a 22yr old Lex.

Stop Hating.
Talontd - 1/13/2009, 3:48 PM
SUPERDUDE-

I disagree, I think any storyline where Superman is "Humanized" is something people will want to see, but to each his own...

I really hope they make this film and title it...

"The Death and Life of Superman"
Talontd - 1/13/2009, 3:52 PM
Shaman,

I think your movie idea sounds great. I am not sure about killing the boy early like that. Maybe Lex can get the DNA from Supermans's "dead body" like in the comics, and the boy can die towards the end, and that fit of rage will give the weakened Superman the boost he needs to defeat the cyborb Superman. Over all though the story sounds great.

As for the cast, I love Caviezel, and besides Tom Welling he is the only other actor I would like to see in a reboot for the role of Superman.

Great Job Shaman!

zinext,
Holy shit, I am sick and tired of Sam Jackson! I say hell no to Sam Jackson as Lex, and as Nick Fury. This whole "lets replace white characters with black guys to make black people feel better is crap." Or to change any characters race to any other race is BS. The characters are fine the way they are.

You want to be fair to everyone? why don't we make make Superman a half black half azian albino trans gendered miget with down syndrome? Ok, then everyone can feel represented. NO! What we need to do is stick to the mythos. If everyone is so concerned about race in comic book movies then go out and by comics with multi racial characters, they are out there. If those characters are strong enough then they will be made into movies. If not then they won't, but stop with the whole lets change everone into Sam Jackson to make people "feel better."

tenaciousbt - 1/13/2009, 3:56 PM
the guy from dragon ball as superboy? no no and no. every time i see him i just think of the mess of a movie that will soon come out called dragonball evolution. you guys know who would make a good superman? bryce from the show chuck. tom welling sucks.
grif - 1/13/2009, 4:33 PM
This would be a great idea for a great movie, but if we all know as long as your not on top this is only a comic long lost dream.......
Niem8211 - 1/13/2009, 4:37 PM
I Love your story. The Death of Supes is the first time I ever liked him as a character. Until then, he was undefeatable. No one could match him. Sure for story's sake in the books someone percieved a threat momentarily, but never any real danger for him. His Death brought him down enough for me to enjoy him. I was into comics and the history enough to know that his death wouldn't be permanent, but for him to be utterly crushed and broken and humiliated in every way for once in his long career. And I loved it. So seeing Doomsday trample superman in a movie... I would see it at least 3 times in theaters.

I enjoy the detail also. It show's you put thought into this which can always be appreciated. I'm not sure about the cloning thing, but then I made it clear above Supes ain't my fav. Chatwin as superboy... you want to reject it at first, but somehow it seems... good. lol, can't explain it, just fits. OMG Diane Lane is by far one of the most beautiful women on the planet, for sure in my top 5. Her natural beauty... I will swee any movie with her in it, if it's a bad one, I don't hear it I just watch her. Under the Tuscan Sun was great for my and my 'crush' on her. I can't accept Caviezel as Supes. Sorry, can't do that one. He already played Jesus, lol, let someone else be a God. but seriously, it is a good chance to show how slowly he age's versus humans. Casting someone a few years younger may not be a bad idea. But I really don't like Caviezel as an actor. I find him... vanilla, I guess. He never stands out to me.

Spectacular article! Keep 'em coming.
TheMyth - 1/13/2009, 4:52 PM
I like this idea and the heart behind this story. but i respectfully disagree with some of the key plot points.

I'm not sure if I would cast Diane Lane as Lois. I can not think of who i would cast at this moment but she does not fit my idea of what lois is.

But my main problem with this story is Lois' character... I dont think that Lois would ever willingly let Lex clone her child. She knows that Lex would have a hidden motive. And even if she did trust him, I do not think that she would want a clone of her son. Having a clone of someone does not necessarily mean that the person's life had not ended. She would probably agree to let Lex experiment with him if there was a possibility of saving his life. It would be somewhat selfish of her to clone her son. She would only be cloning her son to cover her own pain, not to bring him back. And that would open up a whole new verse of people opposed to the movie and Lois.

If you wanted to bring superboy in this way Lex should steal a piece of his hair or some of the blood that would be lying around.
superman7 - 1/13/2009, 4:54 PM
Grif, you suck!
tenaciousbt - 1/13/2009, 4:56 PM
Jim Caviezel as Superman? Brilliant!

As for your story?...

PRETTY DAMN GOOD!

To Hell with Welling! Leave that dude to the soaps.
SupermanReturns2 - 1/13/2009, 5:18 PM
Hate to say it... But just let it die for a few more years...
Sonny - 1/13/2009, 5:19 PM
Shaman - VERY interesting plot (love the casting!), but... I feel I must point out one little thing - you state that Lex decides to run for President. As a convicted felon who's served time in prison, he's legally ineligible (sorry to nitpick).

Since we're talking 'Death of Superman' here, will there be a tie-in to the JLA (will they make cameos at the funeral?), or is this a 'one-off' (kinda' like the cartoon)?
loganoneil - 1/13/2009, 5:22 PM
Wells my hats off to you Shaman, As usually your are delivering a great story. But I wonder If WB/DC will ever deliver a good script like the comics have or even the cartoon seris the Justice League.

You know I would like to do a fan site, but I don't want to take the time. So just enjoy what others like you are doing.
Spock - 1/13/2009, 5:35 PM
While I believe Brandon Routh has been the best Superman yet, I think this is an awesome idea and agree with all the casting. However I must point out that they already made "Superman: Doomsday".

Also as a note to those who want Tom Welling as Superman. Whether he's old enough or not does not change the fact that he barely manages to call to mind an image of Clark Kent and has a level of talent that is rather low even for TV actors.
WonderMoose - 1/13/2009, 5:51 PM
Talontd: Dude seriously the reason they can use Welling as a young guy is because he looks young already. And believe me if anyone on this site wants to see Welling as Supes it's me. But as much as I would love to see Welling in the Cape it doesn't fit with the scenario My friend Shaman has written here. So I'm just trying to do what Hollywood can't and respect the source material.

BUT if they reboot they had better DAMN WELL USE TOM WELLING! That to me is ironclad.
LastSon1027 - 1/13/2009, 6:08 PM
Georgoriah,

Best Superman yet? Are you crazy, the best "Superman" is Chris Reeve NO CONTEST! If you can't see that then you need your head examined. If you think that BR should continue to be Superman, well ok, but I don't agree and I feel there is no chance he will return. As for who could play Superman in a reboot. I believe that Tom Welling is the best fit by far, I do think that Jim Caviezel could do an awesome job too.

You obviously don't like TW. I would be will to bet that you aren't a Smallville fan and probably have only caught a couple of episodes here and there, if any. If you want to see an image of Tom Welling as Superman check out my post at

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/superman_movies/news/?a=5891
tenaciousbt - 1/13/2009, 6:30 PM
lol Grif ur hilarious. your a deuche, but ur hilarious. best laugh I had all day cause I knew someone was gonna shyte over that one.
TheMyth - 1/13/2009, 6:31 PM
This was a good read. I also beleive that the Death of Superman would be great, but I think you could put a spin on it with the fact that Jason was already a clon and you could bring in the introduction of Cadmus. I also think this could bring in like the comic did the introduction of a lot of the B list hero's that Doomsday beat the hell out of before the big match. This can parlay into the JLA after the big three decide that this can never happen again and put toether the greatest team ever. Also you can have cameo's of Bruce and why not have the fact that Supes and Lois are tired of living without each other and this will leave open the second biggest event in Supes life... The Wedding of Clark and Lois.
lilroc - 1/13/2009, 6:54 PM
Yeah Cadmus would be good

Diane Lane as Lois droooooooooooool..yes!

Not sure about your reasons for picking Chatwin for Superboy. I mean DB isnt out yet so he may well suck balls in it. Has he been in anything else?

the rest of your choices are great. id say Keaton would make a great Lex..and Caviezel was a great Christ so how could he not be a great Supes? lol. I love Kennear and would watch him in almost anything..except Ghost Town! I hate Steel but i like Haysbert. Eldard ive only seen in a couple of things but hes impressive. I actually think Shawn Ashmore does a decent Jimmy on smallville. i think Doomsday should be cgi though
RorMachine - 1/13/2009, 7:06 PM
TENACIOUSBT1-

Awesome Pics, now I will NEVER shut up about the fact that Welling should put on the costume!!

Oh yea, black, white, yellow, or green, I honestly feel like Sam Jackson is best pic for Nick Fury, period. Black people don't need to feel better about anything, we've got the President! ;-)

Maybe you need to try and start looking past color, race shouldn't mean anything, best actor for the job, is the best actor for the job. Just my .02

LASTSON1027-

Yea, I know it's a bit of a stretch. But the way i feel is that if it's a reboot and Superman is recast then they should definitely ditch the son and make Superboy a clone, and stay closer to the source material. SHAMAN seems to have kind of blended a "reboot" with a "continuation" which kinda through me off. But I do agree, with his script, Welling wouldn't work.

THEMYTH-

Dude, you gave me the best laugh all day. I knew someone would shyte on him back, lol.

ROR-

Chatwin was a funny f@ck in Weeds, a hothead in War of the Worlds, and he showed some decent drama chops in The Invisible. I think Superboy is definitely in his range, just think he might be a bit old for it, he's 26 now.
Talontd - 1/13/2009, 8:17 PM
SHAMAN-

Dude, just gotta give you props again on your pick of Dennis Haysbert as Steel. Great Job. I can't see it any other way now.
Talontd - 1/13/2009, 8:21 PM
Talontd,

Thanks for the compliment on the pics. Like I said I am only a fan of the pics. I didn't create them. I do think they make a strong case for Welling to be Superman.

Now about Sam Jackson. He can be a good nick fury but let’s be real he isn't getting the job because he is the best guy for the job, he can do the job, but that doesn't mean he is the best guy for the job. Jackson can act his ass off, and is a great actor. He could act any part that comes his way but, that doesn't always make him the best guy for the job. You make an excellent point above when you say that Tom Welling isn't right for Shaman's movie. His look isn't right, for the age of the Superman in that continuity, neither was BR, but I digress. The whole point is that Jackson can do the job but isn't best to play Nick Fury. You say that it shouldn't matter what you are whether it's black, white, yellow, or green, and your right, if we are talking about politics (Obama) but this isn't that situation. Do you really think an Asian Superman would work? NO matter how good or great, hell even if he were the greatest actor of all time, he wouldn't be right for Superman, and it's not about race per say. It's about the character as established, as people know him or her, and what they fell in love with. To change an established character like Lex to Jackson makes no since, unless you want to make someone feel better, and like you pointed out that isn't necessary anymore. Barrack Obama is president. The playing field is even.

tenaciousbt - 1/13/2009, 8:54 PM
nice...very nice.
joslezio85 - 1/13/2009, 9:53 PM
finally, u cast real actors and not some CW p***ies
ottoevans - 1/13/2009, 10:58 PM
finally, u cast real actors and not some CW p***ies
ottoevans - 1/13/2009, 11:01 PM
finally, u cast real actors and not some CW p***ies
ottoevans - 1/13/2009, 11:01 PM
finally, u cast real actors and not some CW p***ies
ottoevans - 1/13/2009, 11:02 PM
hey otto,
once is enough P***y!!!
tenaciousbt - 1/13/2009, 11:13 PM
lol im sorry i get pressing send send send and im in the process of deleting it
ottoevans - 1/13/2009, 11:15 PM
lol cool
tenaciousbt - 1/13/2009, 11:20 PM
I don't agree with the sentament either. Tom Welling for Superman!
tenaciousbt - 1/13/2009, 11:23 PM
This is the best choice ive seen for superman, lois and lex. I dont like the Jimmy choice tho
ottoevans - 1/13/2009, 11:31 PM
Kool story Shaman, I think its wicked! Maybe for the ending you can have Brainic's ship homing in on Doomsday's ship, and headed towards earth from the far reaches of space.

Juskool2000 - 1/14/2009, 1:44 AM
oh! I'm so cool. I'm grif. I suck!!!!
tenaciousbt - 1/14/2009, 2:22 AM
And boy let me tell you Grif, I don't know where we would be without your very insightful commentary. You analysis is critical to you understanding of the DC verse and our understanding of Superman. NOT! You suck! You are a total moron!
tenaciousbt - 1/14/2009, 2:29 AM
And boy let me tell you Grif, I don't know where we would be without your very insightful commentary. You analysis is critical to you understanding of the DC verse and our understanding of Superman. NOT! You suck! You are a total moron!
tenaciousbt - 1/14/2009, 2:29 AM
hey tenaciousbt1 get you're hand out of wellings pants for a minute and realize that he cannot act.
grif - 1/14/2009, 2:53 AM
[sarcasm]Your right grif! How could I not see it? OK. I guess your right.[sarcasm] NOT! Look just because you have some kind of gay fantasy, doesn't mean the rest of us do. You hate Tom Welling, I get that. I don't. I guarantee that you have only seen a couple of Smallville episodes here and there. I bet that you hate Smallville. You probably think that it is cool to say that. Well, Smallville is a great show, sure there have been many bad episodes, but only a few bad episodes out of 165 episodes, aint bad. The show overall is great. You can hate all day, but Tom Welling is a thousand times better than BR.

Oh and did I say. YOU SUCK!!!!
tenaciousbt - 1/14/2009, 3:01 AM
Kevin Grevioux is not big enough to play doomsday. he is only 6 foot 2 inches tall. the same hight as James Caviezel. he needs to be taller. and doomsday needs no acting ability so just find the biggest tallest peice of muscle on the planet and there yah go. obviously some shots may have to be cgi. and have him start out in the green suit.
grif - 1/14/2009, 3:11 AM
Great story!

But I did post the that story line idea as early as 10/21/2008 at 5:01 AM. In the said post entitled "The biggest mistake in Superman Returns are: " I did suggested the following:

1) Sup's son being killed by his enemies
2) Superman darkside, is revealed
3) Luthor reviving his son becoming SuperBoy and using him to fight his own father.

Again this does not take away Shaman's creativity for fleshing out the important details, the chronological events and i really love his choice of cast. But I would appreciate it if I was given credit.


Do check out my original post by visiting the link below

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/superman_movies/superman_the_man_of_steel/news/?a=5107)

or better yet read you can read it again below.



The biggest mistake in Superman Returns are:

1) It has less action.
2) Many elements were a just retelling of Superman 1.
Audience want something new
3) Superman having a son was all over the trailers. It was suppose to be the "big thing" ! It was like Darth Vader being Luke's father. Or Spock dying on Star Trek II.

In fact contrary to popular thinking Superman having a son would have made Superman Return a great sequel. It pushed the story forward. It was not a comic book Superman. Or a TV Superman. It is a cinematic Superman.

So many would ask what do you do with Superman son in the next sequel? Have the superchild killed by Superman's enemies. Then Superman becomes rogue and begin to questions his convictions! That's your darkside! Don't worry about the kid he'll be back as Superboy in the next sequel. Luthor will revive him and use him to fight his own father! Now that's a story for Superman! You see it pushed the story forward. Not like on cartoons or comics where they go around in circles.

Oops! Did I spill the beans. Hello Warner Bros ...

As for the cast, Kate Bosworth was OK. After-all Sups left her for no reason. For 5 freakin years. Just retool the script in the next sequel so we can have ol' loveable Lois Lane. And as for the super amnesia kiss. There is no amnesia. She was in denial the whole thing! Trying forget and move on.

If anyone needs to be replaced its Frank Langella. Frank is a great actor. But he's just too tall and too serious. Perry White is short, buttoned nosed, loud and funny. It is him and Jimmy that should provide the laughs. Plus in order for Clark/Sups to stand out among the cast he should be the tallest. I recommend Nathan Lane he looks like Jackie Cooper. See the movie Mouse Hunt.

With regards to Tom Welling I think he IS already Superman. That is, they should stop calling the freakin' series "Smallville" and intead be mature enough to retitle it as "Metropolis". The series and Welling has already very established as unique variation of the Superman mythos-- a more realistic version. No campy costumes!

end of POST.







Kalabog - 1/14/2009, 3:24 AM
Hey grif, I think you should call 911. That last comment didn't even make since. What the fu*k are you talking about? Who are you taling too?

OH, yeah. YOU SUCK!!!
tenaciousbt - 1/14/2009, 3:25 AM
Shaman, great cast especially Keaton... I just don't like the story. Granted it's the best pitch I've heard to not reboot, but I can't get over the illegitimate child. I liked Returns up till that moment. I even saw it another 3 times to try to get over that because I so desperately wanted to like the first big screen adaptation of Superman that I could see opening day. But no go.
They need to figure out something with Doomsday and not the 2 page fight Kevin Smith submitted in his script. If you want to adapt the comic version, it's going to have to be at least a two-parter. Which would be cool, because then they could run 1 GL film parallel, and have its sequel branch off the Superman movies into Parallax. Which also establishes continuity for the DC Universe.
The point? Lose the kid. He's supposed to be half Supes, half Lex. Take that away and Superboy misses out on a great portion of his story and his quest to find out who he is. I don't care how, put a line in the script "He got hit in the head by a piece of K and died." or "Lex shot him to prevent another Kryptonian in our midst." Bam, continuity achieved, abonination done with, let's move on.

I'd personally like to see something done with Darkseid.
Peace out.
TheOan - 1/14/2009, 5:07 AM
Brandon Routh is Superman and Michael Keaton is Batman, not Lex Luther. The rest of the cast is cool, but we don't need a older Olsen. Still no reboot and I mean it.
Torian Brown - 1/14/2009, 8:19 AM
Well LastSon, i was actually waiting on to see what you thought of it and i thank you for the compliments. In fact i thank you all because i know how you all are adamant about your heroes and to appeal to the majority is no easy task.

DurkinKnight- Well for Superboy case, he was imposed to us so it's either we continue on and use his existance in the best way possible (hint-hint, the article upstairs LOL) or reboot it! I already have an article for a reboot, if you're interested just click on home at the top of this page to find it on my fan site :)

As for Lane Smith,I had Lane Smith down in the article at first to take up his role as Perry White. Then bertilrud explained to me that he died 4 years ago which I just really didn't recall. So I fixed the article and couldn't be happier with the outcome because I find that Perry can't live for ever and with Lane Dying I just killed the character and gave the editor's position to Richard. I love Greg Kinnear and to be Editor in chief plus superboy's adoptive father would have a better chance to be more of an appealing role to him.

superdude05- The death of Superman is what SOLD-OUT to the masses, meaning "non-fans" went out of their way to go buy copies of the story at their nearest corner stores and comic book shops for the first time since Action Comics #1 came out. That is major! The death of Superman is his most humanising story ever like talontd said. It represents "the fall of the mighty", it is metaphorically Superman's final wish since he spends his entire existance trying to be the best "human being" possible, by dying he actually made people realise that nothing is for granted and became a Martyr. Think of this: without Jesus's death, what purpose would've he had? Would we even know of his existance? This story is bigger than all of us and deserves a lot more than a crapy distorted badly animated adaptation of what we were given. That animated movie was a disgrace so superdude05 and gregoriah.damessmaker, NO in no way was this story "overused", it was used once in the comics and they made a shitty cartoon of it period. It deserves a more adequate adaptation and this time on the big screen!

Talontd- i've got a better title for ya LOL How'bout SUPERMAN: ASCENSION!!!

tenaciousbt1- Actually, i killed off the boy in the beginning because he should've never even been there in the first place. Well that's life and he'll just have to learn the meaning of "being at the wrong place, at the wrong time". So basically, if they reboot Sups, they won't need to go down this road but everything i wrote was to tie it in with SR. Thanks for your compliments :))

Grif- i saw you coming since before i wrote the article but he does have acting talent which is why they chose him for Dragonball in the first place. Talontd brought up a fine resume. Even though Dragonball has more chances of failure than success, it doesn't take anything away from Chatwin. He's just a great Superboy hands down. As for your comment on Grevioux, i'm just tired of casting Nathan Jones in everything ya know. Plus height is never an issue in movies. Rambo ring any bells? And Kevin has a natural distorted voice which is weird and creepy but fitting to Doomsday. But you are right as i already had written, they will probably use CGI anyway.

You do raise good points Myth, thanks :)

superman7- I get your Lois point but perception is relative. Cloning is non existant, the first thing that was supposedly cloned was a goat and there's realistically no proof of it. In this storyline, Lex would be the pioneer but has had no test sunjects before hand. Superboy would be the first one. It's fitting because it incorporates Superboy's true origin in the mistake that was made of SR. As for Lois's stance on cloning, she just lost her one and only child which she just happens to have made with Superman no less. Not to say that he's more important than any other child but you know what i'm getting at. Have you ever lost a child before? Do you know what that feels like? The few lines i wrote can't possibily do justice to the actuall dialog that would be part of the script so you don't know exactly how the conversation goes down. She might not agree to it at first but would concider it at the end. Basically, she has two choices: 1- let her child die because he's dead beyond saving. 2- give cloning a shot. Maybe a few weeks after his funeral she wouldn't go for it but on the same day? I think yes!

loganoneil- Lex for president was in the comics, i didn't imagine it. And if Bush was able to buy his way in the white house, i'm sure a multi-billionaire master mind knows his way around and which string to pull to get in.

Thanks for the compliment Spock, yes a fansite is very demanding but it would be sweet if you had yours :))

lilroc- i would totally dig that idea however, it's unrealistic. I wanted to write the most plausible idea possible :) Something the execs could actually go for if they landed on this fansite by pure luck.

Good points Roar, and thanks for the thumbs up :)

ottoevans- Thanks i guess... but go back to my Captain America post because your comments about my casting are unfounded and idiotic. You shot yourself in the foot there. And how could Eldard logically not be good for Jimmy? Are you a fan of Jimmy? Do you have your own Jimmy fan club? Do you have a tatoo of Jimmy on your chest? What makes you an expert in reguards to Jimmy, please enlighten us. I would expect and understand differences of opinions about my casting choices of course but ...JIMMY??? Dude, explain yourself for the love of christ.

Justkool- TOTTALLY!!! That's a kick ass idea plus ED HARRIS would have to play Brainiac!

Kalabog- Unfortunitally i will not be giving you any credit, don't takes this the wrong way but i never read the article you posted on before and never have i read your post either. All the hard work i put in this article came from my own imagination and no one else's. We all share the "want" for this concept but the details came from me and not from you even though you thought of the same. You can obviously read MY post which i had made in MY previous article here:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MySecretIdentityPick/news/?a=5745

Or better yet here's what i had posted:

"Putting the reboot aside, you guys have great ideas and i couldn't be more pleased to see the fans voice thier opinions. I think the concensus here pretty much yells out the need for the death of Superman. Some disagree (probably Superman "movie" fans rather than the comics) and others seem to think it just can't be done because of monetary reasons and complications. Sorry to disapoint the few and the proud but if they can make Ironman and Incredible Hulk, they sure as freakin hell can make Superman's death. Honestly, there's no one here, in their right mind, that can actually tell me that "abomination" wasn't a fat DOOMSDAY right in yo face! And the movie made more than it should have so there's just no excuse what so ever. And for those who dislike the storyline well... i'm sorry but sales go against your opinion here. It was Superman's most sold storyline world wide in his existance. So again... no excuse!"

And here's another post i wrote later on:

"But i do agree that the only thing that can "save" the latest storyline is in fact the death of Superman. It would have to be a trilogy of course having his death in the first movie, the second being the reign of supermen and the third, his resurection. Of course all this would have to happen after JLA but can easily be done. To finally make Superman "crack", it would be ideal to have Doomsday search for Superman but finding his son instead in high school. He kills him and that makes Superman go after him in a blind fury. There... franchise saved without a Reboot."

And of all the 153 posts on my article, you haven't wrote a single solitary one acknowledging that you already had thought of this idea. And that was the ONLY conversation i've had about this storyline previous to this very article. And for the reccord, you would have to give credit to anyone who had this idea before yourself even though you don't know who they are. The problem with this storyline is that it is "logical reasoning" to have this story "save" SR. For all we know, it could very well be the idea Singer had to begin with but kept secret. And with all the bad rep he got for SR, he's questionning IF it would be a good idea to continue with what he had in mind. Or else, why would he even still be considered by DC/WB, his ass would be as good as canned! So all i can say is "Great minds think alike" but as the soup notsy would tell you "NO CREDIT FOR YOU!!!". Sorry :)

TheOan- i totally agree with you, i had it down for a trilogy idea to have the first movie "The Death", the second "The Reign" and last "JLA fighting PARALAX" but i don't think i'll follow up just now.
Shaman - 1/14/2009, 9:27 AM
thanks for the name drop shaman as always your picks are awsome. i really liked Kevin Grevioux for doomsday he would be a dead up doomsday IMHO the height is not a problem alitte cgi would work but i would like to see a suit i am one for a little realisam like what they did on underworld. i think Michael Clark Duncan would be a awsome doomsday to but if there is a chance that darkseid will ever be in a superman movie that is where i would like to see him. as for lois getting her son cloned i dont think that is to far out there if you have kids and one gets killed or dies there is nothing a parent wouldn't do to try and feel that void a persons judgement of right and wrong is out the window, i personaly don't care if the kid goes or stays it not going to make or brake me on the movie.
wadewilson1 - 1/14/2009, 12:27 PM
REBOOT SUPERMAN.
Get "David Goyer" to Write it [Batman [Reboot] Franchise writer, The Unborn Magneto, flash]....His script along with the Nolan brothers screenplay was greatly done for the TDK.

Reboot superman. Thats the best thing they can do.
They should make it a TRILOGY and Shoot the movie all at ONCE. That way it would save them more money, and save alot of time. Then, Get a cast that wont be too EXPENSIVE. For example ppl we know that have potential, and we would like to see on the big screen.

Tom Welling as Superman. Best Choice. Cheap and durable....someone we know is superboy who is becomign superman...though hes under a contract...he could still do it under negotiations.

Finally, they need to replace the director. Bryan Singer was terrible. It seems like he likes ruining franchises. Xmen was like MEH!....Superman Returns was dissapointing.

They should get someone like Zack Snyder [Watchmen,300] or Peter Jackson....or even Guillermo del Toro [Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy, & Hobbit(coming soon)].

If you want a SERIOUS superman movie that isnt a joke. Then You have to Reboot it. And present it to the Fans and audiences the way Batman was presented. The creation of superman...but not stolen from the first superman movie like bryan singer did. All bryan singer did was take the first movie re-DO it...with an additional character added on as superman's son. What were they thinking? They have to take it serious. Look at the TDK, they took that movie som serious that its winnign awards...and its even a nominee for the Academy Awards. [Thats what I call SERIOUS].

Dont make Superman Dark....Just make him Tough.
Aiiwolf - 1/14/2009, 12:36 PM
Ps: I like the Doomsday idea you presented. That I totally agree with. Now as for Clark, and lois. Their too OLD. You need someone that looks mature, and could lead a good movie. But will live through a trilogy and not age. Look at kristen dunst. Spiderman 1.....and spiderman 2 and 3. She went from looking OKAY to looking like a trailer trash. lol
Aiiwolf - 1/14/2009, 12:38 PM
Great story! the only thing i see wrong with this article is that you have a picture of Conner Kent next to Micheal Keaton as Lex. that picture was from a teen titans issue when superboy goes bad and shaves his head :)
whytry2hard - 1/14/2009, 1:37 PM
Hey shaman why not really write a script and send it in! If you combine our Ideas it would really work because they do not have a line of action to put forth a timeline for the DC movies. I would use at least 4 to five hero's that could branch off into spin movies. Flash, Gl, Captain Marvel,and Firestorm just for starters. I think you keep the Trinity out but makes cameo's like in the new JLA when WW comes to the batcave and asks Bat's is it true and she witness him breaking down, this could branch into so many movies like Iron Man is doing for Marvel. Not only that you make it a two to three part mmovie intertwining the beginning of each spinoff to where as each movie ends the death and return of Supes.
lilroc - 1/14/2009, 2:36 PM
Diane Lang? Mmmm.

Ever see "Hollywoodland"? Heh, she just can't keep from killing Superman. Good choices and great continueing plot for the movies.
JYCowboy - 1/14/2009, 3:48 PM
Shaman - I'm still curious to know if there could/would be a cameo for the JLA at the funeral (or at the very least, Batman since he's the only other DC character that's been made into a successful movie franchise)? It could make a pretty sweet tie-in to the 'Justice League' (if that EVER gets made) or a Batman/Superman 'World's Finest' movie. 'Hinting' worked for 'Iron Man' (Nick Fury) and Hulk (Tony Stark), why not here? Hey WB, get off your lazy butts and get to work... Marvel's kicking your ass!
loganoneil - 1/14/2009, 4:31 PM
I love this idea. Shaman you're a genius, you picked great actors and a great way to pick up the story line.
mlsleep - 1/14/2009, 8:28 PM
Wow Shaman you addressed everyone who had anything important to say. lol I bet that took time. good job.
TheMyth - 1/14/2009, 8:29 PM
I'm sick and tired of Samuel L. Jackson as well. I respect that he wants to take any role he has the "opportunity" to take... but jesus christ it's becoming a joke... he's literally in EVERYTHING. and it's getting to the point where even his voice is annoying to me. Can't we just go back to '95 when he was the shit in Die Hard With a Vengeance? As for Shaman's Superman cast... Awesome. The only one that I might disagree with is Jim Caviezel. Love the guy as an actor, I think he's great... but I dunno maybe it's his kind of, off voice that he has. I will admit as long as he bulked up a bit he'd have the look. But I don't know for sure. Diane Lane as Lois I think that's perfect. I do think Michael Keaton could pull off Lex Luther brilliantly.. all in all great cast choices all around. I approve Shaman
Pockets713 - 1/14/2009, 10:54 PM
wadewilson1- Thanks man, and i totally agree. Duncan is Darkseid!

Aiiwolf- Although i do halfway agree that a reboot would be preferable, i don't think Singer's directing talents are dull. I think that he has to be damn well talented to be able to make that shitty script look that good on the big screen. So, if they keep him from touching the script, he could still do a great job of directing it. But your choices in directors are awesome, i'd be happy with any of them!

whytry2hard- Very true but to the people who don't know about the details, it looks a lot like Lex. It's actually the only decent picture of a lex lookalike that i found on the web aside from the regular ol' "lex for president" pick that everybody uses myself included.

lilroc- Well the reason i'm not writing the script is because of the "halt" in DC movie production. We don't know what the hell they're talking about or what they'll have in mind when they come out of that Halt. Last thing i want is to work my ass to the bone for nothing. That would suck since i already have little time to myself. But if anyone here has any contact with DC execs, you can forward this idea to them and they can contact me on it. If they love the story, i'll write the script (Yeah right, like that's ever gonna happen, oh well...we can all dream :).

JYCowboy- Okay that was damn funny LMFAO!!! I never saw that and didn't know she played that part LOL. I can't stop laughing LOL Ooooh the irony!!! :))

loganoneil- I agree with you 100%!!! That is also why i left out a lot of details in the plot because i would like to see this movie "after" every individual movie of the JLA characters as well as one or two JLA movies. Of course before making JLA it would only be fitting to see a "Worlds Finest" movie. Then everyone can ba a part of the Death of Superman.

mlsleep-Thanks for the great compliment dude :))

Myth- Yeah it takes time but it's damn worth it. Only by talking to each other and debating on what would be best can we actually combine our ideas to give the execs something to work with if they so chose. And it also makes this website more than just an article/posts site, it makes it an actuall community!

Pockets713- Thanks alot dude :)) Good point about Jim for sure. And i just totally agree with you on Jackson, the fact that he is everywhere makes most of us sick of only seeing HIM even though he's one of the best actors around. We're so used to him that he looses his astonishment. We just can't be amazed by him anymore cause we know exactly what we're gonna get. Meatloaf is comfort food alright but... every night? God damn!!!
Shaman - 1/15/2009, 8:46 AM
Superman - Tobey Maguire

Lois Lane - Louise Smith


WeaponX - 1/15/2009, 12:01 PM
WeaponX - please... DON'T MAKE ME HURT YOU!!!!
loganoneil - 1/15/2009, 1:06 PM
LMFAO!!! Good one weapon X :))
Shaman - 1/15/2009, 1:07 PM
Shaman 1000 sorries i catched this article only yesterday i was kinda off. But i wanted to post until i could read EVERY SINGLE comment from everyone(which took me all day from glimpse-to glimpse).

Great Story!

I think i get your take on it, not being a reooth but more like FIXING the mess SR left the audience with... it´s like if WB would say: Hey Shaman could you fix this mess but not rebooth and give continuity at the same time? hehe.
I love the PARALELL STORY with the Erradicator, and SUPERBOY´S ORIGIN being a clone is well delivered if Luthor kind of got the blood or hair samples by himself BUT NOT WITH LOIS´S APPROVAL.

1) Jim Caviezel is a great choice. yes i also heard of him since the new Superman movie was being in pre-production, BUT NOW HE WOULD FIT JUST RIGHT with your take.(TOM WELLING´S FANS: i also would like to see the "continuity" of Clark-Smallvile to Clark-Superman with him, BUT KEEP HIM ON TV, besides I read an interview of Tom where he said, about 4 years ago, THAT HE DIDN´T WANT TO BE CLARK FOREVER)

2)STEEL AND CYBORG? i am not talking about the cast but the characters in your story: I THINK IT IS TOO MUCH. Spider Man 3 had too many villains, I think here we would have too many heroes..just keep The Erradicator and Superboy/Jason, IMHO i don´t think there could possible be time to even barely introduce J H Irons in a two-hour movie (EXCEPT PERHAPS A SHORT SCENE HAVING SUPERMAN SAVING HIS LIFE FROM FALLING THE CONSTRUCTION BUILDING:

- Henry: "You saved my life."
.-Superman "Then make it count"... and that´s it.

I don´t think you can introduce Cyborg IN A PARALEL WAY LIKE YOU WOULD IN THE CASE OF THE ERRADICATOR, because Superman must be dead BEFORE..so maybe as a cameo at the very end (that opens the door for your "REIGN" sequel, right?)

3)Make DOOMSDAY CG. The time is right...but hey: What about giving Grevioux A SUIT WITH MOTION-SCANNERS and then have the cg doomsday have his performance?? Coool or what? :-]

4)THE COLOR AND RACE ISSUE. I agree that Sam is awesome but yes the characters were created like 70 YEARS AGO. So they should keep true to the character´s likeness.(i said "Should" but i know they haven´t, beginning with THE KINGPIN in DareDevil´s movie. (thoug Dunkan was dark and greedy and accurate with the personality of Fisk)...
..IF RACE DOESN´T MATTER, WHY DIDN´T A WHITE ACTOR PORTRAYED THE STOCK-MILLIONARE THAT WILL SMITH WONDERFULLY DID IN "The Pursuit of Happyness"?. Because that person was Afro-American, that´s why.

Muhammed Ali was White?? don´t think so.and will pulled that one too. Will for superman? don´´t think so.

Will´s talent is INDISCUTIBLE. that´s why he has been nominated for those roles precisely (and i think others)

Sorry Shaman i know this was a little off-topic, related only to Sam´s proposed Luthor role.

5)Why not better explain that RICHARD WHITE DIED in a plane crash (LOL sorry) and have Perry White to be the "Grandfather" figure, that way you don´t need screen-time for yet ANOTHER character( Greg Kinnear is a very good actor by the way)

6)How could you explain the :
"It appeared that Doomsday had a built in tracking system that could locate beings with Kryptonian blood flowing in their veins"-- to the audience if Doomsday has no dialogue? (hey maybe a 5 minute INTRO exclusively for doomsday, JUST LIKE THE SILVER SURFER INTRO in FF?)

7)tenaciousbt: I am IN NO WAY Grif´s lawyer but leave the dude alone!! c´mon the "GRIF YOU SUCK" is i think too offensive if you are saying it seriously. besides he said: "just look for the biggest guy on earth", thats all!! (and yes the "take your hands off welling´s pants" line was more funny than offensive IMHO)

8) sorry had much to say/ask/comment to Shaman. :-]
SirJediFrank - 1/15/2009, 1:38 PM
Personally I liked the actors of Superbore returns. Greg Kinnear ehh no. Batman as Luthor? All they needed to do was change the villain, no kryptomountain, and more action. Everything else would have made it okay. I'm still on that Michael Clark Duncan as Darseid. Man that would be cool.
SuperFlyinPwrs - 1/15/2009, 2:11 PM
No biggie SirJed! Thanks for commenting :)

The fight scene would be the first half of the first movie. Then the Reign begins in the second half. In the sequel, the reign continues and Superman resurects. The third movie has to do with Hal becoming Paralax and the whole Coast City dilema. The reason why all four of the Supermen are important is that STEEL is the only one of the four to continue to uphold Superman's mantle after his death. Superboy acts like a brat after learning he's a clone, Cyborg becomes the Bad Guy (in the sequel) and Eradicator is resposible for Superman's revival. So, at first it seems like a lot but in the sequel, it pans out.

As for Doomsday, the CG suit is exactly what i had in mind :) And great idea about the opening. He would be destroying another planet then the alien race on that planet apears to have been able to kill Doomsday in an all out desperate energy ray attack and send him off into space. Then in his shuddle, as it directs it's self into space the credits roll with the mega music theme and ends by crashing in Antartica sometime B.C. Good job Jed :) It could be narated by James Earl Jones or maybe the alien race can explain the inner tracking system in their tongue with subtitles. I like JAMES :))

As for Richard White, well the "logical" thinking would point towards Perry getting at the age where his body doesn't take to his passion he has for his work and dies of a heart attack. Having Jimmy getting a breakdown that made him "grow up" faster than a freight train. It would give him more depth as a character to "never get over Perry's death" kinda deal. I really like the idea of Richard taking over. It's cause at first i put Lane Smith up for the role because he was the best hands down and i really didn't want to find a replacement. Plus it would be just soo cool to see Greg in a Superman movie, he would add so much to the character development :))

And i'd love to see Welling continue his storyline on TV for "Metropolis" after "Smallville" is done. I think someone already posted that remark. It's fitting.

Thanks for contributing dude :)

SuperFlyinPwrs- I think it's more than safe to say that Michael Keaton is way bigger than Batman. His talent is undisputed and if you disagree then try watching Desperate Mesures and Pacific Hights instead of just limiting his abilities to Batman. It sounds as stupid as me saying "Batman as John Conner... ehh no!"
Shaman - 1/15/2009, 2:49 PM
"get you're hand out of wellings pants for a minute and realize that he cannot act." GeezUs Grif you are killin me, that shite was Funny!! I think Tom Welling should play a different Super Hero just to give him his props, but not the Man O' Steel.

-Shaman
Wow ! i love the idea of having Keaton as Lex! You need to get a job in the industry as a casting agent if you aren't already.
shibazz - 1/15/2009, 4:39 PM

Wow. yessss, i would go for the alien subtitles, that way people would be reminded that Krypton was known across the galaxies as an advanced high-tech-cold society (FEARED BY OTHER ALIEN RACES,thats why they created Doomsday, but like Frankenstain, they LOST CONTROL over him,) thousands of years before our time...

.-How about this: Remember the most heart-beating-scene in SILENCE OF THE LAMBS where the whole police goes after a house and ring the bell AND THEY SWITCHED THE SCENE with the ring bells of the criminal´s dungeon bells AND THEY SWITCHE BACK TO THE POLICE and then when he goes upstairs to open the door: BAAAANG!!JUDY FOSTER WAS THERE ALL ALONG??

---Well what about having Doomsday literally runing and jumping after escaping his pod, destroying everything at his feet,THEN THEY SWITCH THE CAMERA TO SUPERMAN, saving the people from that landslide (which means he is busy, right?) THEN SWITCH AGAIN TO DOOMSDAY, coming closer, we see the Minneapolis sign, then Philadelphia, then NY (ok everybody don´t laugh i don´t have a map hehe) THEN SWITCH AGAIN TO SUPES, busier and tired,...

THEN DOOMSDAY FINALLY ARRIVES AT....JASON´S HIGHSCHOOL!!
..coooooooool.. or what? ;-]
SirJediFrank - 1/15/2009, 5:14 PM
Sham, I have to say for the most part I like the article but I think I disagree about the reboot. I think we could just pretend the 2006 movie didn’t happen. Or at the very least, the “bastard son” didn’t happen. I have to say tho that it was no wonder that Richard Donner approved of the story for Superman returns, because I think that is what donner had in mind when he started Superman2. Before the other douche screwed it up with the whole special powers Superman never had in any of the comics. Do I have to mention the giant sulifane Superman shield that was thrown at Zod and his minions? God I hope not cus that ruined the move for me.
Anyway, I digress. I don’t want to reinvent the wheel, which I have said before. And I don’t think your idea of killing Superman would work. Any of the old school fans that can still remember seeing the originals in the theater couldn’t stand to see Superman die on the big screen. Its one thing to read it in the comics but to actually see it on the big screen would not only kill Superman but some of the fans as well!
I don’t how the next movie should be but it should be like the 2006 version with out the “new krypton” Lex, Bastard child, or a lame lane. Oh and it should be a little more fast paced with a lot of flying and show boating super powers. The rest is up to the writers, and not the dumb asses that write smallville. I love how they had the Legion in there but the writing for most of the show was LAME!!
Ok enough venting… I leave you with this… We the fans want to see Superman save the world. It doesn’t matter who from! Just for god’s sake do it right!

TheTruKryptonian - 1/15/2009, 8:47 PM
jesse bradford as superboy?



joslezio85 - 1/15/2009, 10:59 PM
Good idea, but this could be a throw away series in the comics....but certainly not the franchise saver you think.(at least in my opinion)

Here are my thoughts on how to fix the above.

Superman's core story should be his loneliness in the world. Singer got that right when he did the beginning of 'Returns'. He screwed up royally with the kid. Lois should have had the kid- but it should have been Richard White's kid or something to further cement Superman's isolation.

So do much of the same as the above- Lex should have political and financial control, but only be a fringe player of the story. Have Doomsday be the villain or bring back General Zod or whatever but here is my take.


Have another Kryptonian be found- maybe Kara
Have Jason killed by humans - to further isolate Superman
Then have the Doomsday or whoever fight be whether superman saves his fellow kryptonian and only chance to be personally happy or save the humans for a greater good.
in the end kill Kara and have Supes still struggle to not be alone.

Just my 2 cents
Tmanxxx - 1/15/2009, 11:38 PM
Good god all mighty, is that Shibazz, on my own article no less??? I am deeply honered!!! How'you doin' witcho fine self? I love your point about Welling as another Superhero and just for that, you should definitelly go read my other article about Gotham Knights! Just click on "home" on top there and it will take you to my fansite's homepage where you can enjoy countless hours of pleasure reading about what i do best...what? LOL Alright, alright well you might like it LOL. And yes i'd love a job in the industry however, i specialise in comic book related roles and i don't think someone will just give me a job for that LOL. Thanks for the compliments :))

JED- That's actually a pretty decent idea, if done right :)

TRU- But this story isn't a reboot... It's the opposite. It's keeping the already existing story but fixing it. As for making it appear like SR didn't exist well... that sounds a lot like a reboot. And as for his death, the fans of the movies were all part of the "non comic fans" that went out of they're way to buy that historical event! The sales prove that it would...sell... So why wouldn't it? Plus every one knows that he resurects later on so it's not a lost cause here. And yes it does matter who he saves the world from because it is unanimous that we're sick of Lex being the main villain. And so he'd save the world from Doomsday, dying in the attempt but succeeding. And that would also nicely open "deep space" opportunities for upcoming villains. Because for let's say... "Superman to go to Apokalipse to defeat Darkseid" would be weird if it was just thrown out in the open like that. Space needs to be linked on earth first and then it opens the door so to speak. Of course Brainiac coming to earth would be a good plot as well which Joker1Zero already wrote on his fansite. And Ed Harris would make a great Brainiac!

Jos- Yeah that's a good pick, a bit old though but he could be made to look younger, he has that capacity :)

Tmanxxx- To kill Kara would be a dramatic NO-NO dude! I love supergirl and to have her introduced just to kill her off, it would be best not to bother. It makes her character irrelevant and she is just as cool if not cooler "in her own way" than Superboy. To have Jason be killed by humans is the biggest WTF i've ever heard of. Mathafaka WHY?!?!?! You have to have a logicaly reasonable answer to that event which to me, makes no sense what so ever! But as for your lonelyness idea, i like it :) The only thing that throws off that concept is the "piano incident" in SR. But other than that, Jason should have been Richard's kid, no arguments here bud :)) If they can miraculously explain the piano sceen in a way that would make him NOT Superman's son, it would save the whole thing... but HOW?!?!?!?!?!?!? I really can't think of anything right now that could logically explain it. Adrenalyne can't be THAT powerfull.
Shaman - 1/16/2009, 9:02 AM
I agree about the killing of Superman by Doomsday, but i think if it were attempted it would look too much like the end of Sup Returns. But after some rest I have to agree that would be a great way to let the fans know there would be another movie on the way! I just love superman and hate to see them kill the best super hero ever!
I wouldn't mind waiting another twenty years to see a truely good and well done Superman movie.

TheTruKryptonian - 1/16/2009, 1:50 PM
I feel you TRU, i really do :)
Shaman - 1/16/2009, 2:21 PM
Why oh why do people keep banging on about Tom sodding Welling as Superman?! So Christopher Reeve said he liked him, so what?! He may have what it takes to play a young Superman but not the fully grown Superman! I don't care that he's made to look younger in Smallville, that has nothing to do with it. Whoever plays Superman needs that perfect jaw line of an all American hero and Tom just doesn't have that!

Honestly, I thought Routh was pretty good and wouldn't mind him staying on. The only real week casting in Superman Returns was Lois. I'm sure Kate has her talents but she was too soft for the hardened, strong minded reporter Lois should be.

I love the story here and love that the boy dies early on! It's so anti Hollywood and thats why it will work! The only loose link in the story is Lois agreeing to let Lex have the DNA, he should just steal it.

Great choice for Doomsday, even if all we saw was CGI, the voice is perfect!

If Superman dies and is re-born with the mullet there is only one man for that "THE HOFF" lol!
Ron - 1/16/2009, 5:40 PM
For all the Tom Welling fans as Superman.. why not just make a Smallville movie? He looks too damn young to be the real Superman... but I wouldn't be opposed to seeing just a separate movie dedicated to Smallville. Maybe he makes the move to metropolis and gets going that kinda thing... I honestly just love super hero movies even though a lot of them these days are done pretty poorly. I don't really see the harm in making separate movies. all in all i just looked through my entire movie collection for someone to play superman and the only thing i could come up with was Clive Owen... but that could possibly just because I think Clive Owen is bad ass... feel free to tear this one apart haha it's just a thought...
Pockets713 - 1/16/2009, 7:40 PM
I see why you think Tom Welling looks too young if you think Clive Owen is the right age. But I think that Clive is too old looking for what I would like to see. If you don't like TW for Superman, even though I don't think he looks too young (older than BR), then how about Jim Caviezel? I think he is a happy medium, and is a great actor with a great look.
tenaciousbt - 1/17/2009, 3:53 AM
Howlett04,

I understand that you think TW looks too young, I do, but come on man, BR looks the same age at best and arguably younger. Besides have you seen Smallville lately, he is being developed into Superman and they are starting to make him look a lot older, but don't take my word for it. Take a look for yourself. www.screencaps.org/SciFi/Smallville/
I understand if his look is too young for you, but it's easily on par with BR, and TW has a Superior look than BR for Superman. Finally, it’s not about “banging on” about TW, but about people wanting someone better than BR for the next Superman movie, and a lot of people have a long standing relationship with Tom Welling.

tenaciousbt - 1/17/2009, 4:02 AM
Michael Keaton.....

I have a wallet. I'm gonna drive a car. I like pizza... I LIKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DoomsdayLuther - 1/17/2009, 9:33 AM
And doesnt Superman stop ageing at 30? Tom Welling is 31 and hes pimp
DoomsdayLuther - 1/17/2009, 9:38 AM
THE THING with using Tom Welling is that THE NEW MOVIE (not a parallel one, i mean if they do only one new one) WOULD HAVE TO BE A SMALLVILLE-FOLLOW UP and that means:

- No-SR sequel, AND ALSO
- No-Rebooth...
- and No-Shaman´s Story.
SirJediFrank - 1/17/2009, 9:53 AM
OK.... to revise what I said..

don't use Kara-(just a thought) but use another saved Kryptonian.

I don't think killing Jason would be a big WTF, but rather a plot mechanism to further isolate Superman from the humans.

The whole point I'm trying to make is that the story shouldn't be about the villain, but about a theme that hasn't been fully explored in a Superman movie, brutal isolation. It was hinted at the beginning of Superman Returns and in his own Superboy days in the first Superman. Also, it worked very well in the first few seasons of Smallville. This theme needs to be exploited and brought to the forefront.

The villain, whoever you want to use(Doomsday, Brainiac, Apocalypse, Zod or whoever) will be much more appealing. But fighting the villain for the sake of a villain is not going to cut it.
Tmanxxx - 1/17/2009, 11:32 AM
All over that! I used to be in the industry, since then i have decided to go with my true love and opened a few art galleries. Comics taught me everything i learned about drawing since i was little. My point is this. I opened my first gallery with 4 dollars and some paintings. You just gotta put yerself in the middle of it and be willing to put in a lot of hard work. And be very thankful for anything that comes your way. My interest in this is cuz i want to to some GREAT comic adaptions and i bet you and a lot of others would be perfect for the industry!!! So go get'em Tigers!!! And let nothing stand in your way!!!!!
shibazz - 1/17/2009, 1:01 PM
tenaciousbt

My beef with Welling isn't that he looks too young at all, I just think his look is wrong. I think Routh actually looks younger than Welling but has a better look for the role.

Tmanxxx

I can't agree more with the isolation theme. I've said before that a Superman movie should be about how he can't help everyone at once and how he must make very tough choices. This would increase his isolation as he often chooses to save the majority before the few that are close to him, it's a head over heart matter. There is so much depth that can be explored here and a villain should only be there to increase the concequences of his actions.
Ron - 1/17/2009, 3:14 PM
Superman should kill everyone on earth. Starting with Tom Welling... Then there will be no more Superman movies. Yeah... that's the solution.
SupermanReturns2 - 1/17/2009, 6:48 PM
FIRST OF ALL SHAMAN YOU LIED!!!!!!

Shaman you cannot deny the fact that you did got those concepts of your story by reading my posts. And worse is you LIED when you said you NEVER read my article or POSTS. PROOF? Let me respond by quoting you WHEN YOU RESPONDED TO MY POST on NOV 21, 2008.

In 11/20/2008 I reponded to an article (entitled: Bryan Singer on Superman Sequel, "I’m going to take a brief pause." ) and provided link to my previous post dated October 21, 2008.


The next day you posted the following :


SHAMAN :
I SEE YOUR POINT KALABOG because in my heart, i don't really want there to be a "reboot" but i mean... he's got a kid now...dude, THAT NEVER EVEN HAPPEND IN THE COMICS! Well i guess superboy "COULD" BE HIS SON INSTEAD OF HIS CLONE ... but i really really wanna see Mark Millar make a kick ass trilogy! I'm tired of Metropolis man! I want deep space fights!!! And bizzaro isn't that good as a bad guy. I want someone more colossal, someone that'll pose a REAL threat, a REAL challenge... someone like Doomsday but since they don't want to make his death story on the big screen... someone similar. In short i want him to fight Abomination...eh ....Apocalypse....no eh... Freakin GALACTUS!!! Damn, Marvel has all the best bad guys! You guys get my drift.

(Check this link below:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/superman_movies/news/?a=5221)

Your reply to my posts is an admission of the the following:
1. You did READ my posts and even responded to my Posts which enumerated the storyline/concepts I proposed
2. That you learned from my post my suggestion to use Superman's Returns storyline to connect with other Superman Stories
3. That you learned from my posts the concept of killing Superman's kid by his enemies
4. That you learned from my posts the concept of Luthor reviving (in your storyline CLONE) Superman's kid as Superboy
5.That you learned from my posts the concept of Luthor using Superboy to fight his own father

Therefore from this it shows that the concepts mentioned above was never been a part of your original creative equation.
And worse you lied when you said you never read my post.

You said I never responded to your article (and you provided a link). That article has little connection with the concepts I was referring and instead was focusing more on the young Superman (Smallville-Death of Superman, reboot connection). Way to misled me and your readers Shaman. The concepts were :
1. Have Superman Son killed with his enemy.
2. Superman Son is revived by Luthor
3. Superman son becomes Superboy and is used by Luthor as his pawn to fight his father
4. To sum it all up instead of a reboot, use Bryan Singer SR story to bridge it with other great story


SHAME ON YOU SHAMAN!!!!!!

Crap! I hate it when your morning job stops you from being upated with CBM.
Kalabog - 1/18/2009, 1:04 PM
Tom Welling may be older than Brandon Routh but even today he looks exactly the same as he did season 1 of smallville... I can't see him having a professional job at the daily planet... Billy Crudup?

DoomsdayLuthor,
"She offered to uhhh... nuke my corn dog, what'm I gonna say no!?"

Ha ha fantastic underrated performance by Michael Keaton if you ask me... one of my all time favorites!
Pockets713 - 1/18/2009, 10:06 PM
Well.. I think Billy Crudup has the look... but he's only 5'8".... that kinda raises an issue... seeing as superman is what? 6'4"?
Pockets713 - 1/18/2009, 10:08 PM
Kalabog- The post you supplied the link for was "Rebooted Superman 6 May Still Star Brandon Routh" which is an article that i had never read nor replied on any of your post for that article. You can follow your initial link and read it for yourself. You'll see that i'm not LYING.

As for the article you just submitted the link to, nowhere on that article or post do you even mention your story. All you did on there was put a link to your idea which is part of the article "Rebooted Superman 6 May Still Star Brandon Routh" which i never followed because i didn't care to. As you can read for yourself, i was busy replying to Talontd and saying my opinion on the matter which had NOTHING to do with yours or your idea you had put the link to.

The comment you just pasted of mine was in response to a post you had written saying "Superman does not need a reboot which means to IGNORE all of its 5 sequels". In fact i will paste your entire comment so NO ONE gets "missled":

"Hey grif! Contrary to what you believe people do ignore bad sequels which in turn results to poor box office and worse even a death of a franchise. Bad sequels makes it difficult to move forward to make more! Because of this a reboot is considered -- that is hopefully IF they the audience or producers still care. I respect you guys there who like Superman 3 and 4. I myself consider the battle between good and bad Superman in III a classic and you can't simply ignore Chris Reeve's poignant effort to make a descent seguel with a complete original casts using a very limited budget on Sup 4. Take note that I do not ignore them but has considered them only as a minor importance. in fact as a Superman fan I do keep a dvd copy of those sequels. Because honestly they are still somehow likable. My point is that those sequels are terribly executed and it has losts direct continuity and it becomes irrelevant and at times -sorry to say-- to some an eye sore. And its really so sad that because of this bad sequels we didn't got the chance to see Chris Reeve again make great sequels or at least complete the obvious incomplete superman story. And again why? Because most people do IGNORE watching them resulting to bad sales and eventually producers IGNORE to produce them. Shaman was correct to compare that Schumacher's Batman & Robin was worst. Bryan singer may not gave us a spectacular sequel but it was descent, it provided us a continuity and best of all it open a very interesting direction. And putting it from that perspective its clear that Superman does not need a reboot which means to IGNORE all of its 5 sequels. What I believe is that since the franchise hasn't yet undergone the same travesty as "Batman & Robin" what it needs is to maintain its continuity and use it to tell other great superman stories."

So for anyone who actually wishes to go look for themselves, it will show that until you mentionned my name in that post of yours, i never replied to you and never even acknowledged your point of views "before" THAT.

Now if you go read my post up top where i told you i never read the article you mentionned or the post you contributed, you'll see that yet again i WASN'T LYING. Get your reading goggles because it doesn't say that i never in my life read any posts you ever made on this website. It actually says:

"Unfortunitally i will not be giving you any credit, don't takes this the wrong way but i never read the article you posted on before and never have i read your post either. All the hard work i put in this article came from my own imagination and no one else's."

That in laymen's terms means "I" myself, "never read" never saw with my own eyes, "the article you posted on before" being the link you submitted to direct us to the article named "Rebooted Superman 6 May Still Star Brandon Routh", "and never have i read your post either" which is the post you wrote on that very same article (Rebooted Superman 6 May Still Star Brandon Routh), detailing your story.

Does that sound like i was saying "i never heard of your existance before"? No. Does that mean i never read any posts you ever made? No. Does that mean i never ever replied to one of your posts before? No. Does that make me a liar? No. Does it warrent you going apeshit on me because i refuse your pathetic attempt to get credit from an article that i worked hard for? Hell NO!!! I don't give a shit if we thought of the same idea, i wrote the article alone, i get all the credit. And your idiotic ranting is just making yourself look like a fool! All the so called "proof" you submitted proves nothing of the fact that you're just pissed "i" made an article about a concept that resembles yours and that you want people to praise you for having thought of the same thing. Stop bitching like a baby that lost his rattle.

So to answer you stupid unfounded bare-assed alogations:

"Your reply to my posts is an admission of the the following:
1. You did READ my posts and even responded to my Posts which enumerated the storyline/concepts I proposed"

No it didn't. Show me where precicely.

"2. That you learned from my post my suggestion to use Superman's Returns storyline to connect with other Superman Stories"

Again No. As I proved from the link i submitted, i already had that in mind as a trilogy that i was going to share in an article. Which i did. This is it. The very same one your bitching about right now. And FYI there "Sherfock", alot of people have been thinking of how to connect "other Superman stories" with SR to avoid a damn reboot!

"3. That you learned from my posts the concept of killing Superman's kid by his enemies"

No. The post i read of yours and replied to never mentionned that. It didn't have anything to do with that. You were just saying "Let's not make a reboot...m'kaaay"

"4. That you learned from my posts the concept of Luthor reviving (in your storyline CLONE) Superman's kid as Superboy"

No. Actually, i took my idea from the "source material" of the "Reign of Supermen" that states that Lex created a clone of Superman being "Superboy".

"5.That you learned from my posts the concept of Luthor using Superboy to fight his own father"

Again No, source material dude, source material. "MY" concept only has Lex "wanting" to control Superboy. It's not to fight Superman, HE'D BE DEAD!!! Now are you gonna hound DC because they already thought of your idea before you did? This is where you have to stop talking out of your ass so feel free to proceed with NOT replying because you have no freakin' legs to stand on this matter.
Shaman - 1/19/2009, 11:43 AM
Howlett04- Thanks for the compliments. To tell you the truth, i would be happy with either Routh or Welling. They're pretty good in their own way. Though good point SirJed.

Pockets713- I agree with tenaciousbt, Clive is too old BUT give him a little grey hair on each side of his head and VOILA!!! Kingdom Come :)) Billy Crudup isn't a bad pick, but not "better" really. Tomatoes, tomahtoes LOL.

Tmanxxx and Howlett04- I totally agree, brutal isolation would kick ass.

shibazz- Woah, you're story's amazing girl, please just click on "contact me" at the top of the page and tell me all about it!!! :)) If i don't reply the next day it's cause i didn't receive it. I got problems with outlook at work :(
Shaman - 1/19/2009, 12:41 PM
please!! no more rebooting!!! people stop asking that maybe when we are all old men like 30 years from now. -im 30 years old right now- but with the justice league cartoons the average kid does not need to know supermans history, they know where his from, kryptonite is bad etc.. rebooting is like running in place. i would go see superman get whooped instead of a movie that explains his origins for the 100th time! actually the only superman comic i read was death of superman

ditch the clone idea reminds of godsend, instead if we need to introduce superboy and i read a mention of supergirl somewhere, its simple, relatives of supermans parents caught wind of planet destruction and also put there child into pods... superman just happened to get to earth first the other two ended up on pluto or mars, or what have you. save the clone idea for bizarro if that ever happens.


loganaspatch - 1/22/2009, 1:01 AM
Yeah well that would go against the source material which is WHY most fans are saying there should be a reboot. So not really a stellar idea. Superboy IS supposed to be a clone.
Shaman - 1/22/2009, 12:40 PM
We ll I guess it is pointless to debate. Because no matter what alibi or tough talk you say Shaman there is also no proof either that you might still be lying, you take a peek at my post and you copied my ideas.

One thing is for certain. Immediately after the Brian Singer Superman return everyone who posted at CBM is clamoring to sack Singer and for a reboot. Everyone wanting to trash Singers story and go back to the source material. And unless anyone can post a link and a date earlier than 10/21/2008 that would prove otherwise I believe I was the first to propose at CBM that is possible to link Singer story with other great Superman Story.

Therefore granted what you claim is true Shaman; that the story you posted is an original product of your own imagination-- complete with a proposed stellar cast-- you cannot deny however that I posted its basic concept first.

Personally I'm not mad at you Shaman for having a similar story. That is if you did thought of it on your own.
And if you are telling the truth and all of this is just as what you said --great minds think a like-- then I guess it was unfair for me to call you a liar. My apoligies.

I just got pissed off when you said something contradicting. (That is when you claimed did not read any of my post, when all the while it seems you did and in fact responded to one). To me then you sounded like you were lying. Worst the way you talk for me read like you're arrogantly lying. But then again English is just a second language to me. Or perhaps like your avatar, maybe that is the "image" you are trying to portray.

And as for Superboy as a young Superman clone? Well the cinema already has a Superchild whose story needs to be settled and I believe fans had enough of "clones" after Superman IV episode.


Kalabog - 1/25/2009, 8:54 PM
BOOOOOOOOOO Terrible cast!

They need to just end Smallville after season 9, and take the show to the big screen, and call it simply "THE MAN OF STEEL" Where we see Clark become Superman for the first time, and have him fight Doomsday, and Eradicator in the movie!

Tom Welling has earned the right to play SUPERMAN! He wasn't just handed the tights by someone because he sorta looked like Chris Reeve.

Tom Welling should play Superman in the new Superman film franchise... To cast anyone else would be cheating the fans, and the character of Superman.

It would be a shame to have a 2 Superman movies this generation with different actors, and without this generations Superman!

Tom Welling 4 Superman 2011! Make it happen WB!
eViLdOoER - 1/26/2009, 1:17 AM
Well Kalabog, apologies accepted! As we can obviously tell, perception is relative. My avatar and way of writing could be percieved way differently than what it's meant to be. I totally understand that. And deep down, i can't blame you for being a bit angry at me because if i was in your shoes, i wouldn't be happy about this situation. I'm not sure i would've taken it the same route but to each's own.

I WILL give you credit for contributing this concept to CBM first. That is a fact and it is undisputed. However, i never lied when i said i never read it until you posted it here. Great minds DO think alike and like i posted up before, i wouldn't even be surprised if it actually was Singer's very own intention to bring up this very popular storyline to the fans. That's the problem with secrecy in the industry. It doesn't let us know of the greater intentions, we only get a chapter at a time and makes it look like a disgrace and concequently could cause the "death" of his final intention. No one will probably ever know what he actually had in mind because the majority will never want for DC to give him the chance. And let's face it, WE the majority are who actually pay the bills.

Either way, the very fact that both of us had thought of the same thing individually should prove that not only would it be the most logical continuation but also the best. In fact, who knows how many people actually thought of this idea before we ever did? The answer could be very surprising!

I will also conceide the fact that the majority is "tired" of the clone issue. That also includes myself mind you but i had to go with the source material for it is , IMHO, the single and solitary way to save the franchise. To use what has proven to work. To fix what was broken by linking it to "other great Superman Stories" as you have brilliantly posted.

In the end, for greater stories to see the light of day, it would be best for the "great minds that think alike" to think together instead of against each other for "two minds are better than one"! Thank you very much for contributing Kalabog :)
Shaman - 1/26/2009, 10:52 AM
eViLdOoER- This article has nothing to do with a reboot, in fact it has to do with the opposite. And you CANNOT speak for all the "Superman fans" because it was proven time and time again how "the fans" are divided into two very distinct factions. One to keep Brandon Rooth and the other to cast Tom Welling. So if you have a boner for Welling that much, go contribute to the "way to many" apropriate articles that have to do with Welling as Superman because in NO WAY would it be "cheating" the fans to NOT cast Welling. I hate it when people come and post about a topic that has NOTHING to do with the article at hand. There's a place and time for everything and this sure as hell ain't a "tribute" article about Welling! Even though i do find that he is a great Superman, i don't think he's any better than Routh and i sure as hell think this isn't the place to debate it!!! Having worked long and hard on this article, i would rather the conversation follow it's original purpose. Next time READ the article instead of just looking at the pictures of who's casted as your favorite superhero and getting all pissy that SOMEONE has a different opinion than YOURS!!!
Shaman - 1/26/2009, 11:09 AM
I like your picks Shaman this James Caviezel actually looks some what like Superman. If they decide not to keep Routh for the reboot (which would be a mistake) I would definatly be ok with this guy. Tom Welling is just to dramatic in Smallville. The only complaint is that there are too many bad guys and people not familiar with the comics might not get the eradiactor and cyborg. However I like the idea of Doomsday.

Superman4
Superman4 - 1/27/2009, 1:51 PM
That's very true Superman4 that there would be too many players which is also why this movie would totally have to be a trilogy so it doesn't seem too overwhelming. My original idea was for the battle to be the climactic ending but how can you END the movie by killing off the hero right? Well i guess it could be done in a dramatic way but the sequel couldn't wait 20 years to be made though. It would have to be done in a harry potter timeline fashion.
Shaman - 1/28/2009, 9:58 AM
I actually like most of your casting picks for the new trilogy and I like the idea but there are a couple of things I don't agree with. When it comes to Jimmy Olsen, I think Ron is a bit too old for the part. I actually liked the guy in Superman Returns. I think he played it pretty well. For Doomsday, I think he should just be computer generated. I mean look at the Incredible Hulk. They pulled it off quite nicely. And for Lex Luthor I think most people get it wrong when it comes to him. In the comics, he is actually a skilled fighter and not as old as most people make him out to be. I think they should use an actor who is better shape but I have to get back to you on a choice because I'm drawing a blank right now.
GreenLanternSector2814 - 1/28/2009, 10:51 AM
But thing is, this storyline is 10 years passed SR. You can't have Superboy be the only one aging here. Lex, Lois, Richard AND Jimmy all get older while Superman becomes more mature so looks "slightly" older but less than the rest of the cast. THAT is the major problem with having Superboy there be 7 years old in SR. Inevitably, if they introduce him as Superboy, the rest of the cast will be older than what you're used to seeing. And Jimmy's been a kid for too long and Ron is the best actor of his age that could still pull off the character's clutsyness and eagerness a younger guy would have.
Shaman - 1/29/2009, 1:57 PM
To tell you the truth I never liked the idea of Superman having a kid.
Superman4 - 1/30/2009, 3:48 PM
Blair Underwood as Steel, anyone?
joslezio85 - 1/31/2009, 1:03 AM
Well Jos, he wouldn't be bad actually.
Shaman - 2/3/2009, 11:09 AM
the story is awesome,as is your pick for supes

diane lane and dennis haysbert dont look like LL and steel,but your jimmy looks like he is 40 :(
NightAvenger4 - 7/31/2009, 10:00 AM
Well thank you! That's exactly what i was going for. I want these characters to have aged since it takes place 10 years after SR. And remember, Jimmy was in his twenties in Superman2. SR was 7 years after S2. Plus the 10 years i'm adding... yeah, that makes them all about 40 :)
Shaman - 9/24/2009, 10:58 AM

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