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knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 6/10/2019, 8:03 AM
didn't see it good people .... how bad was it ? i haven't found one positive review yet :/
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 6/10/2019, 8:30 AM
@knocturnalzen10 - So far the nicest thing anyone has said about it is that it isn't as bad as Last Stand.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 6/10/2019, 8:36 AM
@knocturnalzen10 - I haven't either but my roommate did and said its just BLAND. It just exists and is emblematic of the very epitome of mediocrity.

it made him want a break from the X-Men for a while.
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 6/10/2019, 8:53 AM
@BlackBeltJones - yikes smh :/

@reeds2much i've seen a few like Jermy Johns say he preferred last stand because it had something of a storyline ....

i'll probably TNT this .... it's sad when you see great characters get this type of sub-par efforts for $$$$$
GhostDog
GhostDog - 6/10/2019, 9:01 AM
@knocturnalzen10 - My roommate said The Last Stand was at least never boring. You knew those characters, had connected to a good amount of them.

He didn't care about the kids in DP at all. The movie as a whole just meandered along. I'll Kodi this or wait for it on tv.
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 6/10/2019, 9:10 AM
@BlackBeltJones - yep
realDonaldDuck
realDonaldDuck - 6/10/2019, 11:34 AM
@knocturnalzen10 - In my opinion, it wasn’t as bad as everyone says it is. The final battle was well done, but the first two acts were a complete bore that I almost fell asleep from. I can see what the film was trying to do, but it failed completely in its goal. Magneto is the best character in the film in my opinion.
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 6/10/2019, 11:59 AM
@knocturnalzen10 - It's not that bad. It's just not very good. It's OK. There are some enjoyable scenes, and you leave thinking about what could have been, and i think that's where many feel disappointed. IF you go, leave behind any expectations that this film (i) honors the Dark Phoenix canon (it doesn't) and (ii) builds its characters. If you do that, you should find it to be an OK movie. The action sequences are actually well choreographed. Zimmer's soundtrack is really epic.
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 6/10/2019, 11:59 AM
@realDonaldDuck - Fassbender did a terrific job. McAvoy too.
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 6/10/2019, 12:18 PM
@GeneralZod @realDonaldDuck- ok thanks good sirs .... i'm not sure if i'll want to invest currency in the film but it's good to see some see glimmers of shinning spots in this film.
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 6/10/2019, 12:30 PM
@knocturnalzen10 - That's probably the right way to sum it up.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 6/10/2019, 8:10 AM
For some reason this image is emblematic of the entire FOX-Men movies

DVonShakari
DVonShakari - 6/10/2019, 9:04 AM
@DnA - looks like they're about to dance
Forthas
Forthas - 6/10/2019, 8:10 AM
We will see these things in the "Singer cut"
SpideyPuffsMJ
SpideyPuffsMJ - 6/10/2019, 8:16 AM
There are gonna be more articles about this movie than people who have seen it.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 6/10/2019, 8:40 AM
@BlackBeltJones - Yeah, I had just read that... the industry post-mortem reports have begun.

One interesting bit in there pins some blame on James Cameron:

“At first, the movie had a release date of Nov. 2, 2018. With more work needed on the movie, it was pushed to Feb. 14, 2019. Then, with marketing already underway, Fox pushed the release date to June 3, 2019. Initially, the studio messaged that the move was to take advantage of a Chinese release and hopes for a strong global performance.

However, insiders tell THR that the move was to placate James Cameron, Fox’s most important filmmaker, and his concerns for his movie, Alita: Battle Angel. According to one source, Cameron felt Alita would lose horribly when facing a December opening weekend that included Aquaman and Bumblebee, with Mary Poppins Returns opening up two days earlier. He wanted his expensive movie shifted. Stacey Snider, according to this source, obliged, giving Alita the February date and moving Dark Phoenix to June. “Emma, Hutch and Simon begged her not do it,” says this source.”
GhostDog
GhostDog - 6/10/2019, 8:42 AM
@Chewtoy - Shows how much power Cameron has.

Still, it sounds like they had a rough o off it with this thing even before Cameron started pushing his weight around.No work was done wot build up to any of this with the previous films. The blame mostly still falls on Kinberg and company imo.
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 6/10/2019, 9:00 AM
@BlackBeltJones - sounds ironic that Cameron may really like to "SINK SHIPS"
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 6/10/2019, 9:28 AM
@Chewtoy - DP seemed to be everyone's bitch: had to move dates, change character names and an entire act to appease others.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 6/10/2019, 9:29 AM
@BlackBeltJones - The new X-men cast Series was weirdly managed, that is true. The decade jumps made everything feel disjointed, and nothing naturally lead to follow ups.

Another thing I found interesting in that article was the report of meetings within the company to figure out what had gone wrong with Apocalypse leading to it making $200m less than Days of Future Past. One big thing that stands out to me is that DoFP made $400m more than First Class, and I personally would pin most of that on the return of the original cast, especially, Stewart, McKellan and Jackman. *That* felt like an event... plus seeing the original Jean Grey, and Cyclops, and Beast at the end... having the timeline fixed so that the s**t version of the Phoenix stuff from the Last Stand never happened.

And then... they ignored that restored future instead of following up on it. We went back to the less exciting cast in the past, and stayed there, likely for budget reasons (the all new cast was far cheaper, I’m sure.). Audiences would have cared had they gone back and done a new film with the restored cast... Jean and Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Storm... maybe be smart and add Deadpool’s Colossus and NTW, and that was the cast that took on Apocalypse in 2016...

What might have been. Ah well.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 6/10/2019, 9:38 AM
@Chewtoy - "ne big thing that stands out to me is that DoFP made $400m more than First Class, and I personally would pin most of that on the return of the original cast, especially, Stewart, McKellan and Jackman. *That* felt like an event..."

"And then... they ignored that restored future instead of following up on it. '

This franchise is just a bunch of missed opportunities and blatant ignorance, as well as not capitalizing on the few glimmers of good.
KWilly
KWilly - 6/10/2019, 8:44 AM
I get the feeling this movie was supposed to be much longer. I was surprised on how fast it went by. Felt like an episode of The Gifted or something, lol.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 6/10/2019, 9:28 AM
@KWilly - I think it was supposed to be 2 movies originally
Kyos
Kyos - 6/10/2019, 9:32 AM
Just back from the cinema. I really liked Rocketman. Next up is Godzilla.
DoubleD
DoubleD - 6/10/2019, 9:35 AM
Won't see X-Men for 10 years.
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 6/10/2019, 11:46 AM
Reflecting on 'Dark Phoenix' a bit more, I sorta liked the Fake Skrulls in Dark Phoenix, who were at least really evil and were engaging in a secret invasion of Earth, than the Real Skrulls from 'Captain Marvel,' who were portrayed, basically, as undocumented migrants being persecuted because of their race, but otherwise were perfectly nice aliens that like to drink from plastic straws.
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