Simon Kinberg Reflects On How To Properly Tell The DARK PHOENIX Saga For Film Or Television
Related:

Simon Kinberg Reflects On How To Properly Tell The DARK PHOENIX Saga For Film Or Television

DARK PHOENIX Star Jessica Chastain Hopes To Play A More Established Comic Book Villain Next Time
Recommended For You:

DARK PHOENIX Star Jessica Chastain Hopes To Play A More Established Comic Book Villain Next Time

DISCLAIMER: ComicBookMovie.com is protected under the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) and... [MORE]

ComicBookMovie.com, and/or the user who contributed this post, may earn commissions or revenue through clicks or purchases made through any third-party links contained within the content above.

1 2 3
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 6/5/2019, 6:26 AM
The ranking is actually pretty close to mine. Best to worst:
Logan
Days of Future Past
Deadpool
First Class
Deadpool 2
X2
X-Men
The Wolverine
Apocalypse
The Last Stand
X-Men Origins: Wolverine

OUAD isn't really a film.
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 6/5/2019, 6:28 AM
@WakandanQueen - good list i think i'd only switch dp2 and x2 around but that's about it .
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 6/5/2019, 6:38 AM
@knocturnalzen10 - I often find myself switching those two around. It's pretty close imo.
Imfunnyhow
Imfunnyhow - 6/5/2019, 6:30 AM
When Feige looks at what has been done with the X-men franchise
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 6/5/2019, 7:01 AM
@Imfunnyhow -

For all we know, just like Spiderman Homecoming we are just going to get a half ass reboot that doesn't cover any origins or relevant characters because it can't largely affect the Avengers film. But audiences are just going to be like...well at least the x-men are in the MCU now.
LeBronStan
LeBronStan - 6/5/2019, 7:21 AM
@Imfunnyhow - imo X2, DOFP, and Logan are better than at least 40% of the MCU
adamcawa
adamcawa - 6/5/2019, 7:36 AM
@mastakilla39 - how many times do you want to see Spiderman's origin story? At least the Peter Parker version of it. With two basically identical origin stories already put to film, they had two options: A) change it up or B) start past it. ALthough the GA probably wouldnt have cared if they went option A, fans of the comic book (their best selling character mind you) would have, so they really only had 1 option.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 6/5/2019, 8:15 AM
@adamcawa - But if the MCU is going "younger" you can't skip his origin. Uncle Ben is vital to his character depth and growth. Holland's Spider-man is still an immature, irresponsible, and hyper teenager in Homecoming because at the end of the film he decides not to grow up.

I agree we do not need a whole film or even half a film retelling his origin but Marvel should at least acknowledge or establish some groundwork of his current situation. All we have are vague nods and references that could be or won't be established in later sequels. It's obvious they had no direction of what to do with Spider-Man, Capt. Marvel, or Black Panther because Marvel was more focused on IW and Endgame. So MJ is not really Mary Jane Watson, Uncle Ben is never mentioned (he is referenced, but we don't even know if he is dead yet), and most of all he never earns his costume. Tony stark just gives it to him because Marvel wanted Spider-man in civil war.

In the comics and Rami films, Peter matures at a young age and has strong moral justice because he understands "responsibility". He earns his suit after Uncle Ben's death because that's where he commits to becoming "Spider-Man". The MCU is frustrating because they never fully "commit" to an new idea then build on it in later sequels, instead they always just give subtle hints and nods until it's the actor's final film.
AwesomePromoz
AwesomePromoz - 6/5/2019, 10:14 AM
@mastakilla39 - Tony Stark is Uncle Ben now. Tony taught Tom Holland's Spidey all the lesson Uncle Ben would have. How to be a hero. How to make sacrifices, etc.

The MCU is based more on Ultimates than 616, and now is its own thing completely so best to let go of the comic book continuity kvetches.

I actually think that now the movies are no longer adaptations. The comics take cues from the movies, and while the comic continuity is not beholden to the MCU (most modern fans have grown up with the MCU and are only peripherally aware of comic books) the comics serve a valuable role as incubator for Intellectual Property generation that the movies can take and adapt.

The main Marvel continuity is now the MCU. The comics is where the characters get workshopped and litmus tested.
Vadakin
Vadakin - 6/5/2019, 6:31 AM
Just back from seeing it. It was...OK...I guess...Magneto had some good moments but for the most part it was kinda bland and boring and illustrates a problem I've had with the X-Men movies since the very beginning.

I've always thought of X-Men as having epic, sprawling sagas, like a mutant Lord Of The Rings but the movies have always been really restricted and confined. In essence, they feel small. Even when the stakes are high and the whole world is in danger the movies feel trapped within themselves. I've no problem with smaller, more personal stories. Such an approach worked well for Logan but I think a proper X-Men movie needs to be on a much larger scale.

There have been hints of it over the years, moments like Magneto moving the Golden Gate Bridge in X3 and Apocalypse is the closest the movies have gotten to a proper X-Men saga film (let down by a poor script) but there's never been a truly "epic" X-Men film, the kind of film the source material demands.
SpideyPuffsMJ
SpideyPuffsMJ - 6/5/2019, 6:32 AM
This is so goddamn lame Josh lol.
Havenless
Havenless - 6/5/2019, 6:34 AM
It’s worse than Last Stand. Bet you didn’t see that coming.
nibs
nibs - 6/5/2019, 6:39 AM
lmao worse than wolverine origins. great job guys.
SpideyPuffsMJ
SpideyPuffsMJ - 6/5/2019, 6:41 AM
More bad than good IMO. Deadpool 2 kinda sucked.
connorblaze
connorblaze - 6/5/2019, 6:41 AM
Logan, X2, First Class and the Deadpool movies. They’re the only ones for me.

Days of Future Past was shit imo but had Quicksilver and the Fassbender/McAvoy dynamic at least.

I think The Wolverine may be my least favourite of the bunch to be honest. But Logan is definitely my favourite. Man that character has seen some highs and lows.

Shame they didn’t lean into the grittier aspects and fresh start of First Class in its sequels. If they had just forgotten the originals and made it a reboot, kept the Magneto/Charles dynamic at the centre, kept it in the 60s, and done less silly CGI stuff (magneto and his coin will always be cooler than a thousand lame cgi cameo mutants like Sunspot). But they let it get convoluted and silly instead.
IronMandarin
IronMandarin - 6/5/2019, 6:46 AM
Dark Phoenix can't possibly be worse than Wolverine Origins can it?

That movie represents the absolute lowest period in history for CBMs where every movie was overstuffed with heroes and villains regardless of whether they were developed or not.

Can Dark Phoenix possible outdo Amnesia bullets, Barakapool, ugly CGI claws and Sabertooth's Twilight outfit in terms of awfulness?

That movie is so bad that Deadpool 2 literally went back in time to mock and retcon a scene from it.

Hell even the video game tie in was better than the movie.
1 2 3
FOLLOW ComicBookMovie.com
View Recorder