The Fall of The Wolverine: What it means for the X-Men franchise

The Fall of The Wolverine: What it means for the X-Men franchise

With Darren Aronofsky leaving The Wolverine, I see no point in holding out hope for the X-Men franchise

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By ironpool007 - 3/22/2011
Some of you on here may remember my 1st editorial. In it, I came down with a very sharp toungued response to the enthusiam over the trailer X-Men: First Class. I have not changed my views on that stewing pile of crap, and I am here to revisit the issue.

First a response to some of your overall comments from that article. I apologize for the tone I took. I probably could have thought out what I was going to say better. Every one on here is entitled to their opinion, and if you all go to see First Class, well that is entirely up to you. My boycott idea was in no way a demand, but a suggestion and only because a lot you guys seemed to have pretty negative feelings about the movies leading up to it. But again whether or not you guys go see it is your deal.

In my opinion, First Class looks an insult to comic book fans. It may be a good movie sure, but a good X-Men movie, no. To me, it is only justifying the destruction of the franchise that came before it. I mean look at all the crap they are shoving in there. It is not the original first class. And how can you possibly explain Emma Frost being a grown woman in First Class which is set in the 1960's and then a mere teenager in X-men Origins: Wolverine which takes place in 1980's.

That brings me to another point. Wolverine's last outing was crap. Completely. When Darren Aronofsky was picked to helm the follow up film titled The Wolverine, I was happy. I've never seen one of his movies, but I am aware of the subject matter he handles in a lot of them. The Wolverine seemed like it would have been awesome.

And then FOX messed it up. Oh sure Aronofsky said he did not want to be away from his family for too long while in Japan, but I think there were other reasons why he left. FOX was not going to let him make The Wolverine the way he wanted to make it. So away he went.

And that is why i sit here tonight typing this angry editorial. Because I know First Class will be horrible. But then, we could have had The Wolverine to save the franchise. Not any more though. FOX will still put it out, but it will be a rush job, and I will surprised if a good director can force FOX to let them follow their vision.

One last thing. I have decided to see First Class. Yes I know I have ranted about how crappy it will be, but I will see it under one condition. And that is that I will use a gift card. The only money im paying in the theater that day is at the concessions stand.
LEEE777 - 3/22/2011, 6:16 PM
I had no hope for Fox's X-MEN anyways!

Cool article, fingers crossed First Class is a disaster and FOX gives it up.

We so need one of the best comic books back where they belong MARVEL!
ironpool007 - 3/22/2011, 6:20 PM
Agreed Lee. Agreed.
marvel72 - 3/22/2011, 7:37 PM
x-men first class-is an insult to the fans & a pisstake of the source material.

the wolverine-with aronofsky attached i was gonna give this a chance,now his gone i have zero intrest in the movie now.

deadpool-this film is in devolpment hell,the leaked script was fantastic but i can't see anything happening anytime soon.

i hope all fox cbm's fail now & the rights end up back where they belong.
NERO - 3/22/2011, 7:43 PM
Hopefully if this film falls flat in preproduction and First Class is DOA at the box office (not saying it will be, but it’s always a possibility) it could be the nail in the coffin of Fox’s grip on the franchise. Let them lose a few hundred million and maybe they’ll finally sell the damn thing back to Marvel. We can only hope.
Aguaman - 3/22/2011, 8:46 PM
Amen. Although truthfully, even if Marvel gets the rights back, if this movie is a huge bomb, it may be too late to save it, at least for this generation. The general public won't care who's making the film if FC is so bad that FOX sells/ gives back the rights.

Sadly, I fear we won't see another Xmen movie for quite a while unless this is a sucsess and FOX continues making them
CorndogBurglar - 3/23/2011, 7:27 AM
um...sure Aronofsky left.

but they haven't even said who the new director will be and your giving up hope? okay...

also, how do you know that there is more to his leaving than just being away from his family? thats what Aronofsky said himself, and there have been NO other reasons given. i guess you know things others don't?
naterator - 3/23/2011, 10:57 AM
the corndog has spoken! amen to that. im sure that if there was more to it than what it was with family then i think that aronofsky would have said something about it.....any other rumors are just put out there to cause drama ....leave drama to the women kids.
comicstocode - 3/23/2011, 11:18 AM
Funny how when DC comes out with something I get excited, but when Marvel(and or affiliates) releases something I'm skeptic. It all boils down to integrity I believe. The people behind DC seem to have a better grasp on that while Marvel falls short.

cdpacheco89 - 3/23/2011, 12:18 PM
I do wish Fox would drop their hold on these Marvel contracts and give up their rights to more deserving studios but unfortunately that isn't the case. I lost hope in Wolverine with X3, I got excited for Origins but they managed to cornhole the hell out of that. Aronofsky would've been the answer to these prayers if he was allowed a rated R movie and that didnt happen so this...isnt happening. They will either scrap the idea of bringing Wolverine back or they will find a director who will make Wolverine into a sissy again
fullmetal - 3/23/2011, 12:43 PM
all hope is lost
ironpool007 - 3/23/2011, 2:10 PM
By the way folks, I never claimed to know any reasons as to why Aronofsky left. It's is however my suspicions andsupposedly those of other web sites that there was meddling from FOX.
MaxFaraday - 3/23/2011, 5:50 PM
I have a few problems with your editorial.
First, the title you tagged on this article led me to believe that you were going to say something about the Wolverine franchise, when in fact you just go on and on about the First Class movie. When you finally bring up Wolverine you somehow stumble upon your own feelings that the first Wolverine movie was bad as well. Would it be a stretch to say that your hope for the X-Men movie franchise has already been thrown out? Surely the recent loss of Darren Aronofsky (whose movies you haven't even seen, making you the LAST person who should say that his working on the film or not has ANY bearing on the the franchise's success or failure) didn't bring you to this conclusion.
Second, you had mentioned previously promoting a boycott of the First Class film, but you close by saying you are going to see it anyway, hence proving we shouldn't listen to a word you say. If you say something publicly like that, either you stick to your guns or you be a man and admit to your mistake. Don't pretend like seeing the movie with a gift card is somehow better because you aren't paying for the movie directly.
Lastly, your reasons for hating a movie you haven't even seen yet are based on the writers not using the source material: Did you see the other the other X-Men movies? Or any other movie based on a comic book (yeah, The Dark Knight was really to the book)? None of them go by the source material. And, if you want to get technical, NOT EVEN THE COMIC BOOKS GO BY THE SOURCE MATERIAL. Story lines are created that throw characters here and there, through time, space, story continuations - there is no way you can say that the comic book is the last word. You even say that First Class might be "a good movie, but not a good X-Men movie." What do you mean by that? The film makers are trying to make a movie, not a comic book. If you don't want to see a movie, don't. If you want to read a comic book, read it.
Also, as a side note, I really hope that next time you decide to post something, think about what you're going to say before you write it down and publish it. You sound like an ass with your obviously rushed sentences, half developed thoughts, and hasty decisions (which are then recanted).
ironpool007 - 3/24/2011, 2:42 PM
@ Maxfaraday. I appreciate your thoughts but I'm sticking with what I said. Did I delve alittle too much into First Class? Thats debatable. The point that I was trying to drive home was how bad First Class will be but that The Wolverine could have been redemption for the franchise, and now that is not happening.
Frogman - 3/24/2011, 4:12 PM
@ironpool007: saying First Class WILL be bad is going too far. You don't know that. And its all opinion anyway. You may hate it doesn't mean everyone will. What you think is bad others won't.
ironpool007 - 3/24/2011, 5:38 PM
@Frogman: I said it may be a good movie but not a good X-Men movie. In my eyes, when it strays this far from established continuity and randomly select characters to be in the movie, THAT in my eyes makes it a bad comic book movie. And I fully realize that people will see it and possibly like it.
fullmetal - 3/24/2011, 6:04 PM
i at first was completely against this film but you have to remember that this is a can you have cyclops in the 60's when X was in his mid 20's early 30's? YOU CAN'T!!! i think it was wise to AT LEAST include semi-first class x-men such as banshee and havoc. Also it will be interesting to see Magneto and x duke it out at a time when the world didn't even know mutants existed...that's what really interest me...that's a really good story right there and i believe this film will dive deep into the discrimination, childhood trauma, and racism themes from the comics...more so than the other films...i really like that Beast is going to be a main character far as the Emma Frost thing goes...HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO BET THAT THEY USE ARAZEL AS A PLOT DEVICE TO EXPLAIN THIS WITH HIS ABILITY TO ENTER OTHER DIMENSIONS!!! the only thing i don't like about this film is Mystique as X's best lame...people rip on this film but no one rips on The Dark Knight and all the liberties Nolan took on the franchise..

1. Batman wasn't trained by Ras Al Ghul, completely made up for the story

2.joker origin was a mess (that's okay though, it made him seem more insane for nolan's interpretation)

3. Two face origin was different (accidentally falling into gasoline and getting blown away isn't how it happened in the comic but it worked 100% well for the film)

4. all of batman's gear was changed dramaticly (it worked well though)

5. The whole falcone thing is 100% different than the comics

Gamverine - 3/25/2011, 7:45 AM
@ironpool007 , i think your hate is not against x men or marvel movies, is to fox and how they may crappy movies... but what else can u do?...
my suggestion is, to get rid of the ideas of the first movies and to get in your mind that this is not a COMIC, this is a MOVIE, yes is an adaptation but no a translation... they have to stay true to the "real world" ok we're are talking bout mutants i know its fiction but dont you think it would be so childish to make a movie just like the comic? it would be even more crappier, im just saying look at the brightside, we are getting a MOVIE.

Bout emmafrost in BORIGINS, it's a reference, ok i know its emma but OFFICIALLY it isnt , look at the credits, its named KAYLAS SISTER... so its not EMMA... and the problem here would be ORIGINS not FIRST CLASS...
woodrow765 - 3/26/2011, 10:31 PM
you all need to quit bashing these movies. they all have their falts but i am happy with them. stan "the man" lee said he loved the movies and he said that change is necessary for a comic to survive. and the thing with barakapool in origins is nothing that cant be fixed. ive been thinking about it. wade wilsons body could begin to reject the adamantium, laser vision, etc. but keep the healing and teleportation. they said themselves in the movie that the procedure wasnt done so he can reject the powers. his mouth isnt sewn shut anymore and him rejecting the powers can be the prologue to the movie. and when has it been a rule that someone with diomand hard skin is the only one who can have that power. and like i said at the beginning, if stan lee is happy with these movies then i am happy with them.
vmantel70 - 3/27/2011, 5:22 PM
she is only credited as "Kayla's sister/Emma" in the film credits, not Emma Frost!

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