Singer Talks (Even More) About X-Men: First Class

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Bryan Singer said last week his new X-Men adaption First Class, would show "the formative years of Xavier and Magneto". You'd think could replace the origins Magneto movie, but it seems that's not the case.


X-Men director Singer admmitted: "This story would probably utilise some of the Magneto story because it deals with a young Magneto, so it might supersede that because this would explore that relationship between a young energetic professor and a disenfranchised victim of the Holocaust."

The X-Men Origins: Magneto screenplay for the spin off mutant, the two men first meet in Israel.

Hollywood Reporter's Heat Vision, talked to Singer and he explained why he had decided to return to the X-franchise: "It started with a conversation between (Fox co-chairman) Tom Rothman and me some time ago. We not only concluded a deal, but I've written a pretty concise treatment. There's a story that I really want to tell.

"It's basically about the formation of the X-Men. How they began and the relationship between a young Xavier and a young Magneto.

"It's been about 10 years since the first X-Men, and this is a nice opportunity to look back at the origins of that universe. The X-Men universe is boundless. These are great characters. And as young characters, they are quite different than the characters we have seen in the contemporary movies."


Choosing the writer Jamie Moss, Singer said: "He's a really good writer, and of the writers I met with, he interpreted my story the best and brought the most to it.

"Because I'm so actively involved in the script development of my movies, I'm very hands-on, I need a certain kind of writer and a certain kind of availability to me. And he fitted that bill. He's quite talented."


Singer will be first directing the remake of "Jack the Giant Killer."

Many thanks to Heat Vision and the whole article is below on the link.


LEEE777 - Man I remember saying all those months ago Singer should go back to where he belongs, the X-Universe and leave Supes alone. Well looks like some of us are getting our wish. Hopefully he'll keep to the original five and leave Storm out. It'll work. The X-Men surely need to be saved from "Last Stand" and if they're not doing an "X4" anytime soon, this is the next best thing. Hey, he's involved in an "Excalibur" movie project too, but no not the Marvel one mores the pity, anyway thoughts below.


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228 Comments

Damn, that come up quick.

Oh yeah, Clive Owen for MAGNETO! ; D
LEEE777 - 12/22/2009, 5:06 AM
Looks like he's switching sides again then .....






:)


Good stuff LEEE :P
teabag - 12/22/2009, 5:44 AM
SINGER WILL MAKE THIS MOVIE SUCK A$$ LIKE HE DID WITH X1/2...IT WILL NOT STAY TRUE TO THE COMIC LORE..DUHH...AND HE WILL MAKE HIS OWN MOVIE LIKE HE DID WITH ROUTH RETURNS...he never makes the cbm that is needed, but that which he wants to make....SCREW HIM, SCREW STEVE SOMMERS, SCREW GAVIN HOOD
Anil Rickly - 12/22/2009, 5:46 AM
Sooow, what are they gonna do about Angel and Iceman. Or can we just forget about x3 (yes please) but that only takes care of angel. Any idears?
Spilox - 12/22/2009, 5:48 AM
Hey Tea, how did your back surgery go?
Spilox - 12/22/2009, 5:48 AM
Spilox@ As well as it can thanx......just glad its over with and even happy'r im home for xmas :)

You just know First Class is just gonna be another Magneto porn fest.....Singer has established his first team already so we can say goodbuy to Ice-Man and Angel ;(
teabag - 12/22/2009, 5:54 AM
1st and 4most...WELCOME BACK TEA!!! good 2 see u still bring us the comedy we need! lol
LEE@ im deff up 4 another singer/x-men film!..i think every1 will be pleasently surprised..i luv how everybuddy sh!ts on the x-films yet when they come out they r the talk of the town...they were amazing when they came out...seeing ur fav heros portrayed on the big screen...ppl 4get that feeling and start taking them 4 granted..and when u do that...u tend 2 find the negative in things instead of being grateful 4 what u have!
~X
XmutantX - 12/22/2009, 6:02 AM
Maybe he doesn't consider X3 canon. How about "The Last Stand" takes places in an alternate time-line? He could go back and pick up after X2 and make a good third movie.

Anyway, that way he could use Angel and Beast(even if not Ice-Man) in a First Class origins.
Lansdowne5 - 12/22/2009, 6:03 AM
Lansdowne5 @ Thats a great idea man!!

TEA @ Dude cheers buddy an wb again dude!!

Damn, i want a Mackie D's now lol! ; D

XmutantX @ Exactly man, exactly!
LEEE777 - 12/22/2009, 6:07 AM
jesus hopefully we dont hav that retard come on here and tell us how ratner is god and way betta then singer...how ratner is the ben affleck of directing or whateva the hell he was goin on about hahaha
XmutantX - 12/22/2009, 6:30 AM
TEA@ damn..that BK girl is hott..how come they neva look like that in real life???
XmutantX - 12/22/2009, 6:33 AM
xmutantx@ Its the same with the burgers lol
teabag - 12/22/2009, 6:44 AM
Well, it seems they're going to stick with this continuity.I guess they have to, with Wolverine still going and Deadpool coming up.Since they can't use Iceman and Angel, they could replace them with Havok, Polaris, Banshee, Scarlet Witch or Quicksilver.

I think the story would be about how Xavier and Magneto initially started out with the same ideals.So, they stared gathering mutants in order to train them in their powers.Eventually Magneto decides the mutants need to prepare for the eventual war he sees is coming.He starts training some of the students secretly.Maybe he sends them out on some missions Xavier isn't aware of.When Xavier finds out, the lines are drawn.The students would be split between the original X-Men and the original Brotherhood.Then we would see that could battle that would end with Xavier being crippled.

There was a character in "Wolverine" who was probably Quicksilver, so it makes sense that he and Scarlet Witch would be students.I think in this version, it would be known they were his kids.That would be why they are loyal to him.Even though Xavier contacted Scott when they were escaping the island in "Wolverine", maybe Xavier was there because he was tracking Magneto's son.Hell, that would be another reason for Magneto to hate humans.They were experimenting on mutants.

Maybe we'll see Mystique in the movie.They could also use Toad.He was in the first movie, and I'm pretty sure he was one of the mutants rescued in "Wolverine", as well as Banshee.
tazmaniak - 12/22/2009, 7:33 AM
This a.s.s.h... destroy SUPERMAN and CYCLOPS.
OSCURO - 12/22/2009, 8:05 AM
I dont see y iceman cant be in 1st class...he was in the 1st x-men movie....i guess i jus dont understand the logic...i mean if u r goin by the comics or whatnot...these movies dont exactly follow them 2 a T...so 4 them 2 put whoever they want in it makes sense 2 me...in x-men 3 there was a big time gap between angel being a lil kid and then being grown up...y couldnt 1st class fill in that gap??...if sum 1 could explain the logic as 2 y these ppl cant be in 1st class it would help alot...
~X
XmutantX - 12/22/2009, 8:06 AM
I have to hand it to ya Lee, you really are the last of the great dreamers! Singer wont go against the established movie reality..which HE himself helped to establish. Its gonna be Cyc, Jean, Beast and Storm...then some of the mutants from the end of Origins. Most likely Emma Frost, Banshee. You want the original team..hope for a reboot in, ooooh, about 10 years.

Mutantx, the logic is, Ice ,an is a child in the first X movie..he would have been a baby when the school was founded! And Angel is a teen ager in the 3rd movie, meaning he wouldn't even have been born probably. They can mess with that if they like, but for me that would be ridiculous. They have made the X bed and it will be lay in.
RorMachine - 12/22/2009, 8:06 AM
It worries me to hear him say that Charles and Erik will be "young". How young??? Cause it could screw the continuity alot more if they go too young. Remember, they were in their 50ies when they went to recrute Jean which is one of the founding team members. So if they go too young, you can expect that the original team won't even have Jean or Scott in it. They might pull off a total brainfart and make up a whole team of mutants that actually have nothing to do with "First Class" X-Men. That would suck mega ass!!! But seeing the duo of Ralph Fiennes and Clive Owen as Xavier and Mags would totaly make me squirt!!!
Shaman - 12/22/2009, 8:11 AM
once agian i wonder...y would storm be in it?..cus she was in the other 1's?...the 1st x-men movie wasnt 1st class...neither was the x-men team in the 1st movie...im soo confused...and y all the hate on singer?..instead of all the b!tching and moaning about what he did wronge..how about all the things he did right!!!...ungrateful BASTARDS!!!!!! lol
~X
XmutantX - 12/22/2009, 8:13 AM
ROR@ iceman may hav been a child...but once again ur comparing the x-men movie..with comicbook facts....who says that timeline in the x-men movies follows the timeline from the comics?..they've already changed things 2 make it work..y wouldnt they change this...y couldnt 1st class be jus a matter of a few years prior 2 the 1st x-men movie?
XmutantX - 12/22/2009, 8:17 AM
and where was it said that angel was a teen in x-3?...cus ben foster is far from a teen...im not dissing u guys..im jus curious...maybe u can answer some of my questions...and im looking 4 open minded answers..not biased
~X
XmutantX - 12/22/2009, 8:19 AM
XmutantX@ In Singers world Ice-Man isnt even a part of the X-Men....he's just a student, he doesnt even become a real member till X3 so there is no way they could make him the first class team he'd be 2nd or 3rd team....Singer has chosen his first class and Ice-man/Angel are not in it....bring me the reboot :)
teabag - 12/22/2009, 8:23 AM
Oiy.

Here we go, Ror and I just had a great talk regarding my "miserabism" but I have to say this.

This will be Epic Shat.
More from Singer, gazing at his naval and telling a "romance story" w/ Magneto and Xavier.

Not enough metahuman combat on a grand scale, just "gay love" from Our Heroes.

Singer needs to go away. He messed up twice. first by changing horses mid steam and then by Faging up Superman.

Hope and Faith have been shattered.
No Thanks Bryan.

Next contestant.
Skyh00k - 12/22/2009, 8:26 AM
Tea@ see now u make a great point...thank u...now i agree that iceman cant be part of 1st class...which sux...my guess is they will hav a young scoot, jean and human beast...and im guessing..filler characters...so outside of iceman and angel...what mutants should they hav??...this could be our chance 2 see sum characters that we hav been waiting 2 see!...i kno its a bit sac religious..but we should try 2 stay positive here...so lets here it..what mutants r we dying 2 see on the big screen???...who deserves 2 be on 1st class???
XmutantX - 12/22/2009, 8:29 AM
Vulcan might be an idea :)
teabag - 12/22/2009, 8:34 AM
ror is correct, it will be scott jean beast storm and probably frost (she has had a thing for scott in the comics so that will cause some antagonism with jean) and probably a few bad guys like toad and quicksilver to show the early formation of the brotherhood as well. and yes it will be a love story between xavier and magneto, as well as jean and scott. so be it.
superdog - 12/22/2009, 8:39 AM
hell yeah singer belongs in the x-universe. the last stand would've been so much better with singer of course but at least he's back hyped and ready to do another x-men film. God bless Bryan Singer.
SuperSpiderMan5778 - 12/22/2009, 8:41 AM
I guess with all the mess they shat, i'll be pulling for Jean(Daneel Harris), Scott(Scott Porter), Beast(?), Emma Frost(Elisha Cuthbert) and Banshee(young irish kid). I'm not too keen on having storm in there. They could just find her at the end of the movie or something, without control of her powers.
Shaman - 12/22/2009, 8:57 AM
Ror-- I really hope he doesn't adhere to his own established story line. Of the X-Men movie related stuff, his is the best but it still has it's problems.

I think he should start with the original team and make more movies from there. Easy, done, fenito, make it so #1, engage, Avengers Assemble, I love it when a plan comes together, and that right soon!
Betty - 12/22/2009, 9:02 AM
SINGER TO XMEN AFTER RATNER IS LIKE OBAMA TO AMERICA AFTER BUSH...."LEAVING CRAP FOR U TO DEAL WITH.
GUNSMITH - 12/22/2009, 9:03 AM
ROR @ Lol, we will see, the X-Franchise screams REBOOT!

All the FOX guys have got to do is go and look on the NET!!

Theres a reason DEADPOOL wont have nothing to do with the Wolvie movie, that cough, wasn't the greatest!

Come on, you gotta be proud of me, didn't say the B word !

It's Christmas!!! : D
LEEE777 - 12/22/2009, 9:05 AM
@Betty

THANK YOU! reboot it! start with the original 5 - beast, marvel girl, cyclops, iceman and angel. you can't go wrong!

However if you do a prequel to the established story there are 1,000,000 ways to go wrong!
OdinsBeard - 12/22/2009, 9:16 AM
SuperAlex @ Exactly, i second that!
LEEE777 - 12/22/2009, 9:23 AM


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LEEE777 - 12/22/2009, 9:26 AM
Welcome back Tea@! So glad to see you here and just
in time for Xmas! Yeehaaww! I know what an injured back
is all about and I'm glad to see ya here kickin'! Merry
Xmas!

Yep Leee@ & Tea@ reboot it with the originals! And Clive
and Ralph as Mags and Prof-X would blow all the marbles
out I have left! :D :D ;D
DDD - 12/22/2009, 9:35 AM
1-make 1st class a tv series not a movie! that way u hav ur original 5 and hav cameos of other characters thru out the show...that way u can start from scratch...reboot solved!

2- drop the x-men movies 4 awhile...make a cable solo movie that leads 2 an x-force movie...MOVE ON 2 ANOTHER X-TEAM ALREADY!

3- if singer does make a 1st class movie...drop sum of the lovey dovey crap and giv us a lil more damn action..

4- lets name sum GOOD stuff that singer brought us lol...umm NIGHTCRAWLER!...that in itself was prolly the best character that came from the x-men movie franchise!...HUGHE JACKMAN, JAMES MARSTON, PATRICK STEWART, REBECCA ROMJIN, RAY PARK..lets face it...they were perfect born 4 those roles!
XmutantX - 12/22/2009, 9:39 AM
Ray Park sucked ass but other than that you're pretty spot on, XmX ;)
Shaman - 12/22/2009, 9:43 AM
I thought ray was awsum...2 each his own i guess
XmutantX - 12/22/2009, 9:44 AM
@ror lee a dreamer god what ever put that into your head the lad dont sleep to dream lmao
lc - 12/22/2009, 9:56 AM
any idea when wolverine and the x-men tv show's 2nd season starts?????
XmutantX - 12/22/2009, 10:04 AM
Yeah, Xmutantx@, I wanna see an X-FORCE movie about
the X-MEN black ops team that handles the really
secret and nasty stuff of the mutant universe! I wanna
see WOLVERINE, WARPATH, X-23, DOMINO, WOLF'SBANE,
ARCHANGEL, VANISHER, ELIXER, and CABLE up against
STRYFE! LET'S SEE SOME REAL BLOODY ACTION!






















DDD - 12/22/2009, 10:05 AM
GEEZUZ @ DDD i was gonna say stick a LINK here for your X-FORCE casting, but you've brought your whole article here lol!! ; D

[frick]ing A1 casting though man, kudos!! ; )

Lc @ Lmao!! : D
LEEE777 - 12/22/2009, 10:08 AM
Singer i love u man, u gonna make a great movie, i m sure about it

brazilianbatman - 12/22/2009, 10:17 AM
kenny@ i was going to complain about the first class idea, but reading what your concept, actually makes it sound quite good,

but i still dont understand why we are going back wards and not fowards, i like wolverine, it made sense to make that, but first class, just seems stupid.

doesnt matter if last stand did not get the ratings
, doesnt mean x4 will have the same reaction.

personally i have loved all x fims so far, but im sceptical bout this one

Rolanddeschain19 - 12/22/2009, 10:22 AM
Sorry about that Leee@! I don't know how to make a link!
I didn't realize the pics would come out so huge! Sorry
everybody! I was not tryin' to cram my cast down any-
body's throat just wanna see an X-FORCE movie! I guess
I got a little excited! :) :I lol
DDD - 12/22/2009, 10:22 AM
when iceman was in the first one he was like 16 so how about in this one hes like 10? that would be kinda cool some lil kid runnin around freezin people!
Makiveli21 - 12/22/2009, 10:22 AM
if he tell some of the origins of Magneto and Xavier, Magneto movie won't be nescessary any more, he could tell the story of Xavier and Magneto early ages in the ww2, in the frist half of the movie, then after the first half, the shool is built, the movie should show us the formative years of the school, and Cyclops kicking some ass, and being the leader of the team
brazilianbatman - 12/22/2009, 10:23 AM
I would love to write this X-FORCE movie into a script!

They would need blood, buckets of blood to make the
movie I would pen!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 10:27 AM
Makiveli21@ I agree with u i think ice man and Angel, shouldn't be fighting villains, but they must be in the movie as kids, to respect the time age Singer established, now is too late, and ignore this would be a mess, but they could have some significance on the story even if they are not been trained or wearing the suit
brazilianbatman - 12/22/2009, 10:28 AM
DDD @ Heh heh, its all good dude!!

It's a worthy cast anyways, more ppl need to see it!!!

Hey i can send you the link thing if you want, hey if i worked it out anyone can lol!

brazilianbatman @ Good point!
LEEE777 - 12/22/2009, 10:29 AM
Yeah, Brazilianbatman@! That would be great!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 10:30 AM
i wanna see a stronger relationship between Cyclops and Xavier
i wanna se the proffessor going to the missions and combats
brazilianbatman - 12/22/2009, 10:30 AM
storm and wolverine step back cyclops is the leader now
brazilianbatman - 12/22/2009, 10:31 AM
Ya know what Leee@ I think I WILL write that X-FORCE
idea into a script! Maybe put part of it up in fanfic!
Or maybe do a 12-page treatment script and put it in
fanfic! Sounds like a great project fer me! I'll have
to squeeze it in between the massive fancast, though!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 10:33 AM
Yeah, Leee@, that would be great if you could send me the
link thingie!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 10:35 AM
Thanks for the news Lee,

Really want to see this movie!
GuyFawkes - 12/22/2009, 10:42 AM
This is awesome news, they could use this to transition into the Magneto Spin-Off...makes way more sense doin it this way. Wasn't sure about this one at first but I'll watch if Singer's involved...what I don't like is this Lauren Donner Shuler...something...don't even know her name but every time I see her atatched I wonder why. I don't care if she's a Fox executive, this is teritory she obviously doesn't understand based on interviews and things she has stated in the media. How much of the Fox - Marvel blunders are her fault?
continuezero - 12/22/2009, 10:44 AM
DDD- Again, perfect [frick]ing casting!!! :)) Thanks for the sketch nods LOL :P
Shaman - 12/22/2009, 10:45 AM
DDD: That cast is fantastic. Check out the Thor tidbit I found over in news.


Shaman: In reference to your earlier post, one of these Singer interview articles from the other day mentioned Charles' First Class could possibly be pre X-Men.

So you may be right in thinking there may not be one single X-Man that we know in it.

And yes, that would bite the donkey.
Hawksblueyes - 12/22/2009, 10:58 AM
DDD@ great casting again my friend :)
teabag - 12/22/2009, 11:20 AM
continuezero@ I would say Schuler is responsible for
ALL the blunders over at FOX! She is out of touch
with what people want to see in Marvel movies! There
are a lot of non fanboy moviegoers who know quite a
bit about Marvel comics characters 'cause they are
such huge Icons in the public domain! They want the
characters to fit their original stories too!

I did an unscientific sorta polling of everybody I know
awhile back and you'd be surprised at how much non
comics people know about these Icons! Its time for FOX
and everybody else in Hollywood to start to get IN
TOUCH with these characters canon!

If Hollywood gets it right then everyone will flock to
these CBM's, comic book people and non comic book
people alike!

DDD - 12/22/2009, 11:20 AM
I tell you what's pefect SHAMAN@,. your drawing of
Michael Biehn as Cable! Now that's what's PERFECT!
;D
DDD - 12/22/2009, 11:23 AM
hehehehehehe Biehn lol
teabag - 12/22/2009, 11:26 AM
@DDD

Amen brother. theres a reason these characters have been popular for 60,50,40+ years. somthing worked back then, and now that we have the technology, the knowledgeable fanbase, and visonary directors it wont work now? please.

haven't they learned their lessons yet (from all comic movies, not just ones produced by their own studio) if you stray too far from what the comic was people who havent even read one can tell and will be turned off. i.e. daredevil, hulk, and catwoman. take notes.

OdinsBeard - 12/22/2009, 11:41 AM
@DDD Agreed 100%, I'm a huge fan but there are far biggers fans than I as shown by this site as well I have friends that are casual friends that also agree with the sentiment. Fox is destroying any repectability these characters have. It is about money and what they don't get is that if they stay true to the source they will make money. I blame Schuler for sure, everytime she speaks on anything Marvel related I cringe. I can just picture Schuler in the board room cheering at how awesome Fantastic Four would be...little did she know...or actually Little Does She Know about anything Marvel related. Why does no one at Fox get this?
continuezero - 12/22/2009, 11:51 AM
Dear god, please no rubber Stretch Armstrong-like Patrick Stewart this time, that hurt me to watch that lol

No offence LEEE, but get over it already there is gonna be no original X-Men in this movie except for Cyclops, Jean Grey and Beast. Iceman and Angel would be too young for the team so Storm & probably Emma Frost will replace them. It is a damn shame Bryan Singer didnt direct X3 because he probably WOULD NOT have introduced Angel and he WAS going to introduce Emma Frost as a villain so it meant Angel could have been in the original line up and Storm could of easily replaced Iceman, dammit Singer and your stupid Superman obsession!
dancingmonkey08 - 12/22/2009, 11:53 AM
Singers First Class costumes need work.............










:(
teabag - 12/22/2009, 12:03 PM
tea- lol!

EVERYONE..GO CHECK OUT MY FAN VIDEO OVER IN FAN FIC...

MARVEL: BEHIND CLOSED DOORS
peterparker420 - 12/22/2009, 12:06 PM
As I've already said, unless I'm really impressed by the trailer and info released about the movie, because of Singer's involvement I most definitely will not go and see this.

And LEE, I pray to God that he never comes near an Excaliber movie because I really dont want him [frick]ing up Captain Britain like he has done with most of the X-Men characters and Superman!!! ;(
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 12:07 PM
and that coming from a monkey am sure lee will be hurt he migth even cry! lmao.

teabag wtf man hahaha
lc - 12/22/2009, 12:07 PM
Damn it's good to have you back Tea
JerusalemJr - 12/22/2009, 12:08 PM
ffs next it be captain ireland josh lol
the world has gone nut's ;)
lc - 12/22/2009, 12:10 PM
lc@ Its Captain Oirish :)
teabag - 12/22/2009, 12:11 PM
DDD- Well we must be clones of each other from different labs to pull off this collective awesomeness regularly LOL :P

And i agree with your comment. If they "get it right", they will come!!! Ironman was proof of that!!!
Shaman - 12/22/2009, 12:13 PM
teabag: Lol, good to see you back man! :)
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 12:13 PM
oirish theres no hope now its all gone lol@tea
lc - 12/22/2009, 12:16 PM
Josh@ Good to be back :)





teabag - 12/22/2009, 12:18 PM
@josh ppl are still goin into your fan fick thingy lol jst tho i let u know,see i can be nice! lol

tea theres only one bicth and thats me rite look at me pic lmao
lc - 12/22/2009, 12:20 PM
lc@lmao
teabag - 12/22/2009, 12:22 PM
I'm not that worried. X1 and X2 were classic CBM's IMO.

No, they aren't the most faithful to the comics, but they still felt like X-Men movies. And that, in the end, is what counts.

At least we won't have 90210 X-Men with Singer :)

If they go for young Charles and Mags, then Ralph Fiennes and Clive Owen for me as well. Shaman's dead on with this one.
InTylerWeTrust - 12/22/2009, 12:25 PM
TYLER: For me, Joseph Fiennes would be who I'd like to see portray a younger Magneto!

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Im not actually sure which idea I hate most - X-Men 90210 or another completely unfaithful X-Men movie directed by Bryan Singer...
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 12:40 PM
@ Teabag: Man I have really missed you. Your the life of the party!
SixSixteen - 12/22/2009, 12:41 PM
this is going to be a retarded bag of shit. this franchise needs a reboot so f ing bad. this was already mentioned but bobby and angel are out if they stick w/ singer's shit continuity so right there that makes this suck.

i love how they're all like "oh yeah we're making an x men first class movie" and then they just use the title and shit all over everthing else.
deathmetalbrian - 12/22/2009, 12:42 PM
@teabag
AHHHHHHHHHHH! Oh please god no, I dont need to see the Sex-Men! lol
dancingmonkey08 - 12/22/2009, 12:51 PM
I see Im not the only one not into Bryan "SWEETCHEEKS" Singer's take on CBM's didnt\dont really care for his X-Men movies and Returns was awful.
BLADE4040 - 12/22/2009, 12:53 PM
Josh- He would be a great magneto if he were younger than younger LOL. I think it will highly depend on what age they are really going for. Mags and Charles need to be of somewhat similar ages. Both Fiennes would be wrong together. Ralph and Clive fit. You'd need someone even younger for Charles if Joe is to be Mags. I know some have suggested Rosenbaum but... idk.
Shaman - 12/22/2009, 1:02 PM
I don't have much excuse for Returns, that was simply a bad Superman movie, but a good movie in its own right.

But X1 and X2 are classics to me. He gave us an awesome Wolverine, an amazing Prof. X and Magneto, a great Mystique, awesome Stryker, etc.

He was off with Cyclops, Storm (a little, I think it's because of Berry for the most part), Ice-Man (only because he wasn't written humorous enough, he was too serious, but it wasn't that bad) and Rogue, Rogue was my least favorite character in the X-Films.

I think he may have gotten a couple continuity details wrong, such as Wolverine and Sabertooth seemingly not remembering each other, and maybe some characterizations of the X-Men, but I think the latter was mostly due to the actors in those parts.

If he was given a good script with faithful interpretations of the characters, First Class would probably turn out great. Singer did maintain an overall faithfulness to the comics. Magneto was very faithful, Wolverine (despite physical attributes) was very faithful, Professor X, and the overall prejudice against mutants theme was handled very well.

I say give Singer a shot. If he f*cks up, okay, but I don't think he will. I remain optimistic.
InTylerWeTrust - 12/22/2009, 1:04 PM
Yeah, this will not be a reboot IMO. Ice and Angel will not be in it. Storm will be a member of first class. I'm thinking that we'll have an Xavier/Magneto origins moment in this film, and I don't think Magneto will be the main villain. I'm thinking that Shadow King will be the main villain for some reason.

Anyway, personally, I think this is the worst idea for a new X movie ever. I would rather like to see an X4. Maybe Singer could salvage what's left of that crummy trilogy.
Macksimus - 12/22/2009, 1:09 PM
Ya know its not a bad idea. But I'm not liking how its starting to sound. The concept of the plot is okay, but how they present it will make all the difference. For instance, if they present it as epic and actiony with artistic design, like 300, it will be awesome. But it can't be all slow and complicated like The X-Files.
Fartman - 12/22/2009, 1:14 PM
Shaman: Yeah, thats a good point. I really dont like Clive Owen for Magneto though to be honest!

TYLER: Even though I hated the first two X-Men films and Superman Returns, I enjoyed Valkyrie so maybe if Singer had a decent script the movie would be fine but I havent seen a decent CBM script by Fox yet so I'm not holding out hope for that, lol!

In my opinion, if he were a decent director he wouldnt have allowed any of those continuity errors in the first place! The only good things about his movies for me were (some of) the casting choices and although the prejudice stuff was done well, there was far too much of it I think.
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 1:14 PM
Tyler- Who knows, if First Class succeeds, Singer might just want to continue on with X4. But for that, we have to LET HIM film first class which consists of going to see it from our part. The little differences didn't bother me from his liberties. Rogue can easily get her full blown powers by sucking some foes' essence in X4 so it's no biggy. So much could be fixed if Singer wanted to and if we let him. Who knows for sure?

Fartman- Good point, and IMO Singer "presented" it quite nicely for the most part. I'm sure we won't be getting worse than his two x-films. Might be even better concidering he had to learn a huge lesson from his SR fart.

Josh- The continuity errors were made by Bret Ratner (angel [frick]up), Gavin Hood (young x-men [frick]up) and of course from Fox studios. Singer would have never let continuity go screwloose like that. In fact, his whole point in SR was about continuity. So i think he's not the worse guy for this film. He could fix certain things.
Shaman - 12/22/2009, 1:17 PM
If they follow the continuity of the previous X-Men movies, we wont have Iceman or Angel which is bad enough but throw the non-British ugly girl from Wolverine as Emma Frost and this movie just stinks of failure from an X-Men fans perspective.

Shaman: Singer was the one who allowed Iceman and Rogue to be turned into a couple of whiney kids and had a cheesy Wolverine vs. Wolverine fight at the end of the first film rather than Wolverine vs. Sabretooth (who could have been mocking him about his past or something - at least that would have been more relevent and faithful to the comic books)

I mean, he didnt include the original X-Men like Beast or Angel in his movies! As for Returns, all he did with that movie was make a nolstalgic piece of crap that only those who had seen the original movies would fully understand! The guy shouldnt be allowed anywhere near any CBM, never mind the characters he abandoned to kill off the Superman franchise!!
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 1:24 PM
Josh: I thought Valkyrie was okay.. It just didn't leave that much of an impression on me. I think it was decently directed and very well acted, but, I don't know, just nothing special. Though I loved the last 5-10 minutes. That sh*t was awesome.

Singer is a very talented director. He does make good movies. Usual Suspects instantly comes to mind. Every CBM director makes little mistakes like him. Raimi did it (MJ and Peter living next door, organic web), Snyder did it (squid ending changed), Burton did it (Joker killing Batman's family), etc. Not even Nolan is 100% faithful. I cut Singer some slack when it comes to the X-Films. He brought CBM's back from the brink with X1, and just made 2 damn fine CBM's and movies in general. Overall, when considering the sum, his X-Films are very good CBM's.

I'm just saying give him a shot :)
InTylerWeTrust - 12/22/2009, 1:24 PM
TYLER: I agree that Valkyrie definitely wasnt anything special but it showed that Singer can at least be a decent director some of the time in my eyes. As for the rest of your point, I completely understand what you're saying but there were just too many mistakes for my taste! That and the fact he's admitted he's never read any of the comic books AND also that he wanted to cast Sigourney Weaver as Emma Frost in X-3 just proves to me that he is a terrible choice for director of any X-Men related movie!
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 1:37 PM
Josh- Actually, that's what i was saying about SR... continuity. And your comment has nothing to do with mine actually. You're just pissed that you're not getting the X-Men that you wanted but Singer did not screw up HIS OWN continuity. I'm not talking about the comics at all here. He didn't include the original x-men in his movies cause it wasn't the origin. NOW that got screwed up because of RATNER, NOT SINGER. And yes you did get a Wolverine vs Sabertooth fight AFTER the cheesy W vs W fight. It wasn't epic or faithfull but it was there. Singer's films left alot of room for interpretation and additions which Ratner TOTALY [frick]ed!!! Don't blame everything on Singer cause he didn't give you exactly what you wanted at first. NO CBM gave us everything we wanted except for Ironman. Fox, Ratner and Hood are to blame for this [frick] up, not Singer.

Sigourney might not be my first choice for Emma Frost but for an older Emma that might have been a villain, she certainly has the talent to pull it off. I'm not saying that i want her to be Emma but it's not a valid reason to hate Singer. There could have been way worse choices like that Talia whatsherface who completely sucked and looked ridiculous doing it. Plus, speculations about futur casts are insignificant. That can change at the last second. Bottom line is that SInger worked his ass off to make two decent X-Films while Raimi deliberately [frick]ed Spider-Man. I don't hear you hate Raimi that much when it comes down to having him back for SM4.
Shaman - 12/22/2009, 1:44 PM
Not the Weaver!!?!?!?!!!! damn his eyes to hell lol

Darth@ you da man :P

I hear Singer has started the auditions for Cyclops....






lol
teabag - 12/22/2009, 1:44 PM
Shaman: Only because Raimi made two decent Spider-Man movies and one crap one so I'm giving him one more chance to make another decent movie and if he doesnt I think its fair to say that its time for him to go!

Singer has made two dreadful X-Men movies and a shit Superman one as well so he doesnt deserve any more chances IMO. He [frick]ed up by not including characters like Angel and Beast when he had the chance so I blame him for them eventually being ruined by Ratner! Its clear that he doesnt give a [frick] about the X-Men as he abandoned the franchise to go off and do Superman!

teabag: LMAO! :D
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 1:59 PM
You're gonna blame one man for another's mistakes... And yeah, [frick] him for following his childhood dream which was Superman. Granted he was stupid for [frick]ing it up but not for wanting to do it. Fox are the ones that didn't want to give him the choice. He would have done both had Fox not just want money that instant. So go ahead and blame him for everything under the sun which makes no sense what so ever.
Shaman - 12/22/2009, 2:04 PM
Shaman: I just blame him for turning some of my favourite comic book characters into unrecognisable and watered down versions of themselves.

Ratner is a trerrible director and although he made a mess of the way that characters like Colossus were handled (I dont think that character said more than a few lines for example!) at least he did some things right like actually turning Iceman from a whiney bitch into his true comic book appearence with powers that do more than just chill Wolverine's beers!! And in all fairness to the guy he actually made Magneto a lot more threatening - I cant see Singer's version ever tearing the Golden Gate bridge apart!

From my perspective, Singer's X-Men films were just watered down and weak in comparison to the comic books and turning a character like Cyclops from confident leader into a moping whiner worrying about Wolverine flirting with Jean was just a step too far for me!

Unless something major happens to change my mind between now and the time this movie is released, I can honestly say that because of Singer's involvement this will be the first CBM that I wont go and see!
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 2:18 PM
Yeah ive got to admit Singers treatment of some characters are terrible......back in the day we were just amazed to see an X-men movie but with the way Superheroe movies are getting noticed we have a right to start wanting a little continuity other than whats in Singers leather dreams :)
teabag - 12/22/2009, 2:23 PM
And just the fact that he wanted to turn this...

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...into this...

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...shows me that he not only knows nothing about the X-Men but also that he cares less about the fans of the comic books than any other CBM director out there. If he's happy to make changes to characters that are that big then he obviously doesnt give a [frick] about those who actually but the characters books every month!

A change that big to such a major character is unbelievable! You might as well cast Daniel Radcliffe as Odin if you're going to cast Weaver as Emma Frost!
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 2:25 PM
@josh
That was a bad idea indeed, I never want to see that happening
dancingmonkey08 - 12/22/2009, 2:32 PM
Hey we all need a little help from Radcliff...........








:P
teabag - 12/22/2009, 2:32 PM
The only characters I put most blame on Singer for are Rogue and Cyclops.

Rogue was simply awful. Annoying as hell, weak, and, oh yeah, annoying as hell. I don't blame it all on him, Paquin was pretty bad, but he should have made Rogue the tough, sassy woman we all know and love. The only scene I got that feeling from was when she took Pyro's powers when he was destroying the cops.

Cyclops wasn't much better. Cyke is supposed to be the leader of the X-Men, but he was turned into a jealous, whiny douche who never did anything worth mentioning, besides almost killing his girlfriend and getting his ass handed to him by Lady Deathstrike.

But honestly, a lot of the other missteps in characters are mostly the result of the actors IMO. Jean was decently characterized, but Famke was wooden and dry.

Storm was meh, but Berry was annoying and didn't seem interested at all. If only they had gotten Naomie Harris...

Ice-Man wasn't very good. But Ashmore was boring, so I don't think Singer deserves full blame.

We got a near perfect Nightcrawler, Mystique, Wolverine, Magneto, Professor X, Stryker, a cool Toad, etc.

I think Singer got more right than he did wrong, and the sum of his X-Films is better than the parts. I'm giving him a shot, I think this'll turn out just fine.
InTylerWeTrust - 12/22/2009, 2:34 PM
Its funny but as a character i felt Nightcrawler was nothing like he should be......He is meant to be playfull but instead had the personality of Patrick Stewarts last hair folical.....i understand the white house scence is awesome but Nightcrawler was badly done imo.

Anybody else notice in X2 when the kids are in the pit/Dungeon thing they show them and you can see Nightcrawler in the shadows then they cut to Storm asking him to get the kids then we go back to the kids and he steps out of the shadows lmao...there is classic Singer editing
teabag - 12/22/2009, 2:58 PM
i trust brian singer i just hope he connect wolverine origins with first class,and adds characters like beak,tito bohusk,angel salvador,glob herman,husk ,adn chamber,and i hope he does the sentinel story. well maybe we will get these things if it becomes a trilogy. then i hope he does x4, and 5 and iceman,cyclops,colossus,angel/archangel,gambit,nightcrawler,beast,rogue,chamber,and beak get some story and screen time.
1chris2 - 12/22/2009, 3:02 PM
I dont know...maybe its because I saw the first X-Men movie before I started reading X-Men comic books but I noticed a HUGE difference between all of the characters and their movie counterparts! I cant remember the exact storyline but it was an issue of Uncanny X-Men just after Cyclops had returned from being bonded with Apocalypse and the issue featured pretty much only Wolverine and Cyclops in Genosha - Wolverine actually respected Cyclops and they made an excellent team! The movies made Logan look like some dirtbag who just wanted to get Jean to cheat on Scott who as TYLER rightly said was a jealous, whiny douche who never did anything worth mentioning!

Im guessing Singer used the huge paycheck he got to ruin Superman to buy a load of Uncanny X-Men #1 issues which he now uses as toilet paper, the bastard. ;D

teabag: Wow, I'm pleased that I'm not the only one who didnt like how Nightcrawler was portrayed!! I couldnt agree more bud!
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 3:10 PM
I seem to remember Rogue as being part of a Bajou
thieves guild and tough and burnt and sassy as a
cat in the catnip! What was that weak piece of manure
that MR. touchy, feely Singer gave us! That wasn't"ROGUE" at
all! (ROGUE) means rebel and misfit! Now that's the
Rogue I know and love!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 3:11 PM
tea: Nightcrawler was pretty playful. When he was caught by Jean and floating in mid-air, the Mystique scene, and when the "grown ups" caught him eaves-dropping, etc.

No, it wasn't as much as in the comics, but it was still there.
InTylerWeTrust - 12/22/2009, 3:13 PM
And I wanted a tough kick-ass survivor type acrobatic
Nightcrawler! Not a stupid tattooed up kinda timid
freakazoid! He's Kurt (V)agner for cryin' out loud!
Kickin' ass and takin' names and a little bit
devilish! He was too toned down for my liking!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 3:15 PM
"Kickin ass and takin names and a little bit devilish"

That seems like a perfect description of the Nightcrawler we got to me...
InTylerWeTrust - 12/22/2009, 3:22 PM
When a director screws up the continuity of a character
and tries to go back and do an origins to THAT screwed
up continuity it just keeps getting worse and worse and
he just keeps digging himself farther in the pit he
already dug! You can't make it better without starting all
over! YOU CAN'T! EVER!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 3:23 PM
Josh@ im with ya :)

DDD@ Exactly he's supposed to be the rushing in old style swashbuckling hero :)

Tyler@ We must of been watching differant edits lol
teabag - 12/22/2009, 3:24 PM
Tyler@ he was too repentant of what he was!
Too timid about his existence! It was really
toned down from the comics! And that stupid
long jacket was ridiculous!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 3:25 PM
Precisely Tea@!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 3:26 PM
Its bad writing to ruin a whole continuity of
characters to suit your own ideals! A director
must get out of the way and direct the story
the way it was already written! Singer should
never write his own stuff 'cause he doesn't edit
himself but just goes willy nilly through the
story smashing every plot point the original
story had! Singer did it with Superman and he
did it with X-men. He's out of control!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 3:30 PM
Him and his huge ego is out of control and it
shoes BADLY!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 3:32 PM
i know how most fans really want too se cyclops doing what he does best, but to be honest id only want to sse that if it was gonna be part of x 4, i dont want to see the teenager cyclops from wolverine being the team leader, i want james marsden back, sure he had hardly no part in all 3 movies, but he still nailed cyclops.

and for all that is good in this world please to not have storm in this one! i like mrs berry but please, leave he rout for this one.

i well up for this film as long as there not giving up on the idea of x men 4 and 5 and 6.
Rolanddeschain19 - 12/22/2009, 3:33 PM
Nightcrawler sort of is timid about his existence. If you were a blue elf with a tail with teleportation powers in a world which is extremely prejudiced against your kind, I think you'd be that way too.

The jacket? The jacket is more ridiculous than this?


InTylerWeTrust - 12/22/2009, 3:33 PM
josh: For the first couple of years after Wolverine joined the X-Men, he had zero respect for Cyclops . It didn't show at all really until they met up with Proteous and Cyke picked a fight with Logan.

Thats a span of about 40 issues that Wolverine may have even resented Cyke.

Hawksblueyes - 12/22/2009, 3:35 PM
Nightcrawler was fun not depressing.....singer made him dull and nothing like his character.....the only action we saw was him being controlled...Kurt would be the first into the fight :P

Hawks@ Yeah Wolvie and Cycs relationship was scrappy from the start :)
teabag - 12/22/2009, 3:41 PM
DDD: Hear, hear!!! Singer must be stopped before he ruins any more X-Men characters! As teabag rightly put it, Nightcrawler should have been a swashbuckling hero not the watered down, lame version we got! All Singer did was change the characters to suit the way that HE wanted to tell the story, spitting in the faces of us comic book fans!

We all know that after Fox movies like Elektra and Fantastic Four that First Class probably wont be the next Dark Knight but with Singer directing it, we wont get a fresh start! We're getting the guy who [frick]ed up the continuity from the moment he decided to ignore the team that the comic books featured and just throw a pile of character together in ridiculous leather outfits! Its clear he didnt even look at a single comic book before making his X-Men movies and decided instead to cram them full of his feelings about homophobia disguised as anti-mutantism!
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 3:43 PM
teabag was just pissed that nightcrawler wasn't dressed like a pirate. ^_^
BillyBlack - 12/22/2009, 3:47 PM
Yup, Josh@, you took the words right outta my mouth!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 3:47 PM
Billy@ Nah not a Pirate just a latex hooker would be fine lol....altho i bet Singer was dressed as a pirate when directing :P

Go Josh
teabag - 12/22/2009, 3:53 PM
@Josh

You're being stupid.

It's called a multiverse for a reason. He did not spit on anything. He did not deviate from anything. The movieverse is a separate continuity from 616, and even has it's own designated number and filing within the catalogue of Marvel multiverses. Of course it deviated. It has no obligation not to. You're saying that he spat in the face of us comic fans, when we comic fans have gotten along perfectly fine with alternate universes in the the comics, video games, and cartoons. You're saying that he is wrong for interpreting the story the way he wanted to, when in fact that has what every single run on every shared comic book property has been since they've been around. You're basically saying that every single time that this story is utilized, it should be the same everything over and over and over again. That is not how superhero comics work. It was never how superhero comics work, and what Brian Singer did in those movies is the exact same thing that have kept these comics alive for as long as they have.

Also, I am deeply offended that you're implying that homophobia was never meant to be one of the underlying themes of X-Men since it's very inception along with racism.
MovieTheaterLad - 12/22/2009, 3:53 PM
The way they used Nightcrawler made sense to me.

They made it obvious that he had been through some f*cked up sh*t, and that clearly affected him. It made perfect sense for him to be darker and a bit more serious than he usually is. Not to mention the fact that he is a god damn blue elf with a freaking demon tail and teleportation powers who was forced to commit an attack on the White House and lived in a world that is extremely prejudiced against his kind. It's a little hard to imagine him being the swashbuckling hero after all of that.

And despite all that, he did maintain his humor throughout the movie. The Jean/Storm scene, Mystique scene, eavesdropping scene, etc.
InTylerWeTrust - 12/22/2009, 3:56 PM
Holy shit Teabag@ - Bryan singers casting call picture almost got me in trouble at work. not because anyone saw it, because i was laughing so damn hard!
OdinsBeard - 12/22/2009, 3:58 PM
MovieTheaterLad:

You're being stupid.

I dont give a flying [frick] about any "multiverse". Take a look at pretty much any other CBM and although none of them are 100% faithful to the comic books (which isnt a bad thing because if they were, they just wouldnt work) they retain the majority of what makes the characters who they are. He changed almost everything from characters personalities to relationships and ages just to make the story he wanted to make. None of that had to happen - he just didnt give a damn about the comic books and so changed things for the sake of changing them - something I find insulting as someone who loves these characters. I really dont think you understand what I was saying.

And of course racism and homophobia are two very big underlying themes of the X-Men but Singer himself has admitted that he has used these films to project and display his feelings about homophobia - using a movie to display his issues with the matter is fair enough f he did it for a small amount but to do it to such a strong extent as he did in the two movies was just plain boring.
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 4:02 PM
That image of Nightcrawler always makes me laugh, his ball bag is huge! Why do you think he is smirking like that?

@josh noooooooo! Ive agreed with just about everything youve ever said and now this?

I dont envy Singer, an X-director has to work with;

a) the most convoluted continuity in comics history
b) um, Fox "Do they have to be called 'mutants'?"
c) a balance between what the obsessive fans (me) think is believable, and what the rest of the world does, and finally the script they were given.

It must been an embuggerance trying to make sense of the x-universe, keep fox happy and direct a convincing film.

Does anyone remember what happened between Singer and Fox? Rothman must have been on his knees to get him back.

The seeds of change are there, "These are great characters. And as young characters, they are quite different than the characters we have seen in the contemporary movies." Looks like a lead-in to some changes.

I like the x-movie universe, i see it as no different to a new writer taking a comic in a different direction. I dont understand how comic book fans complain about the very thing that keep comics alive this long, innovation.

DownUnderThunder - 12/22/2009, 4:03 PM
Tyler@ He always showed his theatrical side from the circus to overcome any insecuritys....and when was he funny??....if its ok too change his character why not change everyones!! :P

SupewrAlex@ lol

Downunderthunder@ Since his last two movies have not been well received im sure it wasnt hard for Singer to want to come back to something he was succesful with :)
teabag - 12/22/2009, 4:03 PM
We know he read at least one comic, he said in an interview that the first thing he did was buy Uncanny #1!

DownUnderThunder - 12/22/2009, 4:06 PM
haha Teabag that is piss funny

DownUnderThunder - 12/22/2009, 4:08 PM
Tyler@, how come they gave all the other X-men tight-
fitting leather outfits so they could move around more
freely but then put the one guy who moves arounf the most in
a stupid floppy coat to get in his way of moving around!
It doesn't make any sense at all! Not even in movie-making
sense! Nightcrawler should have had a tight leather outfit
too with some of his colorings in it! That jacket
was just another stupid Singerism! I hate his ego-fed way
of movie-making!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 4:12 PM
tea: He was sort of funny when he was trying to be theatrical but Wolverine stopped him, when he said "Oh, hello?" when he was caught eavesdropping, and when he was all scared when he was floating in mid-air in the church. All instances of him showing his humorous side.

And the "why not change everyone" thing? That doesn't really make sense to me. So, because he made Nightcrawler a bit less happy and funny, he should do the same to every other character? That doesn't make sense.

DDD: Nightcrawler was like a homeless guy. He moved around everywhere and had no real safe haven, and wasn't a member of the X-Men. Of course he wouldn't have a leather outfit like them. His ragged look fit their version of Nightcrawler, a version who bounced around all over the place and had no real home. And I don't really think the point of the leather outfits was to make them move freely, if they had a point at all.
InTylerWeTrust - 12/22/2009, 4:13 PM
@ Josh

Oh I understand just fine what you're saying. You're saying that you're afraid of change.

Brian Singer did EXACTLY what comic book writers have done for decades and you're just pissy that it wasn't YOUR X-Men. You don't care about my X-Men, or my friends' X-Men, or the X-Men that other people preferred. You are mad about YOUR X-Men.


MovieTheaterLad - 12/22/2009, 4:13 PM
Change for the sake of a huge ego director is not
change for the good of the story but change to fit
his ego-run way of directing and writing everything he
makes! There was no need to change Rogue into a sad weak
character to move the story along and it wasn't necessary
to rewrite Angel and Iceman as not part of the first class!
Singer's ego has screwed up the X-men so baD
IT'S NOT THE x-men anymore! its something entirely DIFFERENT!
ENTIRELY!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 4:18 PM
DownUnderThunder: Personally, I see it as being completely different to when a new writer takes over a comic book - look at Daredevil for example. Bendis wrote a great run on the book followed by Brubaker who took the character in a fresh new direction and now Andy Diggle is doing the same. You can sit down and read them all in one go and they all feel like the same character whoever is doing the writing but a new writer always takes things in a new direction and keeps the character fresh whilst respecting what has gone before.

What Singer did was take the characters, change them to suit his own needs and showed the fans or the characters in fact, no respect. Nothing he did was innovative - the storylines in both of his movies were cheesy, lame and boring. I mean, how pathetic and predictable stuff like Wolverine vs. Wolverine was and Senator Kelly turning into water after Magneto's amazing plan to turn everyone into mutants was unbelievably cheesy and B movie-ish!

MovieTheaterLad: You just made it pretty clear that you in fact DONT understand! Its nothing to do with being "afraid" of change - its being disgusted as a comic book fan of the extent of how much the characters were changed! 99.9% of the time, when a new creative team takes over a book its great to have a new team to freshen things up and do new things with the character - changing them completely is something else entirely. And its not MY X-Men that I care about...its THE X-Men and that wasnt them in Singers movies. However, if memory serves you actually think that the symbiote stuff in Spider-Man 3 was handled well so if the fact I found Peter Parker dressed as an emo dancing down the street a joke means I'm "afraid" then so be it!
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 4:23 PM
Tyler@ he kept the floppy coat even after he became
an X-men! They would have given him a uniform like
everybody else but they didn't! That is Singer at his stupid best!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 4:23 PM
I don't have an excuse for Rogue, but I have no idea where you're getting this ego thing from.

Ice-Man is kind of understandable, but Angel is not Singer's fault. Ratner screwed that up. He made it clear that Angel had no relation to the X-Men prior to X3, not Singer.

X1 is not the First Class. It is not the origin. I repeat, it is not the origin. X1 had the X-Men already established and fighting Magneto, just without Wolverine, which is sort of what the First Class was. X1 was the transition from the First Class to the regular X-Men, because that's when Logan came on board.

X1 takes place after the First Class period.

And Nightcrawler never made it to the mansion. Meaning he never got a suit. Besides, whether he should have worn a coat or a leather outfit is such a trivial matter.
InTylerWeTrust - 12/22/2009, 4:26 PM
Josh@ precisely again!

DDD - 12/22/2009, 4:26 PM
DDD: EXACTLY!!! Singer's X-Men is NOT the X-Men! (By the way, for some reason my laptop wont open the documents you sent me so would you be able to instead copy and paste them into a normal eamil for me? Then I can get on with divinding them up!)
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 4:27 PM
And hey, does anyone know whether Firefly is worth watching? :)
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 4:29 PM
@ DDD

Ego? What the hell does his ego have to do with anything? He's doing exactly what every comic book writer ever did.

"it wasn't necessary to rewrite Angel and Iceman as not part of the first class!"

The 90's X-Men cartoon and X-Men Evolution didn't either. What's your point?

In the Iron Man movies, Whiplash is introduced at the same time as War Machine, the Ten Rings are a terrorist organization, Extremis is already being introduced, Jarvis is a computer program. But does anybody complain about those? Noooooooooo, that would be too inconvenient to their opinions and would suddenly make themselves appear silly for complaining about something like that.

Seriously, you're basing all of your opinions on this bizarre set of made-up, self-imposed rules that nobody with any sense of what superhero comics are about would ever follow in a million years.
MovieTheaterLad - 12/22/2009, 4:29 PM
A director directs what the writer writes but Singer
always, I repeat always writes an outline for the writers to
go by! I have gone to film classes and writing seminars and
that is not how a good director works!
He gets his ego out of the way and lets already established
stories and characters carry the writing of the film! If
Singer made Gone With The Wind it
would have turned into "Come with the Calm"!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 4:31 PM
DDD: How do you know that he does that? Have you been to production meetings with him? You can't make that assumption without cold, hard proof.

And if you criticize Singer for having an ego, you need to criticize the almighty Nolan as well.

Nolan has made it obvious that his Batman is not set in the same universe as Superman and Wonder Woman. He's making his own Bat-films the way he wants too, and is openly ignoring the entire DC universe that isn't Batman. If that isn't some sort of ego, I don't know what is.
InTylerWeTrust - 12/22/2009, 4:35 PM
For Singer now to make a First Class movie it is a travesty! All that will be there is Marvel Girl, Beast, and Cyclops! Geez what a movie!!!!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 4:37 PM
MovieTheaterLad: The difference is that everything you point out about Iron Man actually made sense - Jarvis being a computer program is a lot more realistic than a billionairre having a middle aged English butler. War Machine and Whiplash being introduced at the same time is no different to Green Goblin being intoduced as Spider-Man's first enemy in the characters first movie. And the Ten Rings being a terrorist organisation just makes sense in the context of the first Iron Man movie. Those are all understandalble changes that were only made to help the film and story make more sense and work better.

However, changing characters personalities etc is not even remotely similar to that. If YOU had any sense of what superhero comics are about you'd know that. No new creative team on a book has made changes to the characters as extreme as Singer did.
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 4:39 PM
@ Joshw24:

Firefly is frakkin awesome!
Watch the whole series then watch Serenity. Its a sad and too quick end for what could have been a Fantastic and long running series. But, NNNOOOOOOOOOO. The Suits (assholes) at Knucklehead Studios couldnt let people watch something that was good. That would make too much sense.

@DarthMulder:

Thank you.
Skyh00k - 12/22/2009, 4:41 PM
Tyler@ I know 'cause he has said it several times!
And they told me that at one of the writing seminars and
said that is a no, no if you want to be a good writer!
First the writer writes the screenplay based on the
original story then he gives it to the director and he
messes with it to make it work on screen but not mess
with it so much that it takes away the things that drive
the characters to be who they are!

Rogue is an older member of a thieves guild not a little
girl afraid of the world! Nowhere have I seen her portrayed
that way except Stupid Singer's movies!
DDD - 12/22/2009, 4:43 PM
Skyh00k: Thanks man! I've been thinking about buying it on DVD for a while but I wasnt sure! :)
JoshW - 12/22/2009, 4:45 PM
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