Hugh Jackman Defends Wolverine and Talks The Japan Theme Sequel!

Hugh "Wolverine" Jackman stands up to Katie Couric when she puts her foot in her mouth by revealing that she is not the targeted demographic.
"Why would you miss [out on] it?" Hugh argued. "A little bit of nudity, I get all of my rage issues out... any rage issues I have are gone! Yeah, you do [have fun]. I wouldn't make them otherwise."

Well, it's got to be about something. Might as well be about fun.


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Hugh is still taken back by the age range of Wolverine loyalists out there:

"It still amazes me that people come up to me from all over the place, all different types of people and all different types of demographics," he said. "It's always strange to me though when people say, 'Oh, my son loves it!' And I go, 'How old is your son?' And they go, 'Three!' I'm slicing people's heads off here!"

On Japan being the next shooting location for the Wolverine sequel:

"The whole time from when I began, the one story line that I went and said, 'That's a movie!' while I was reading the comic books, was this whole saga in Japan," he described. "It's really beautiful, different, and fantastic. I thought, 'That's a movie.' Now, we've done four movies and we haven't done it yet, so I'm working on that script now. If that comes up to being what I thought it might be, I'll do that."

Now Hugh understands he can not play Wolverine for the rest of his life. So how many more Wolverine movies will hit theaters you ask?

"I always say, 'oh, I'm never doing another one,' until I see the script. It has to be something. But in the superhero world, those kind of movies, 'Wolverine' is by far the most interesting," he confessed. "So I'll do eleven more and that's it!"

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195 Comments

Meh. He's passionate about the role, no one can deny that. I just wonder why, since he was a producer on W:O, did he allow them to stray that far off the reservation?
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 9:01 AM
He's only defending this crappy franchise because that's where his paycheck is at every year. Look at him, he's laughing like a little school girl, because he knows he's rolling in the money. All the other stuff he's saying is BS. If he had any respect for the character or the fans, he'd protest against those god awful movies.
supermarioworldE - 10/7/2009, 9:02 AM
This from a guy that likes Transformers 2!! God awful movies??? The last 2 were the only ones lacking and they still had more integrity and depth that the biggest fart Bay could muster from Jetfires English ass.

Jackman does need to get more involved, which he said he is going to. Lets hope the next one ups the ante.
RorMachine - 10/7/2009, 9:11 AM
You are correct multi,but these movies are really collected a lot of money. No care about what a comics fan thinks. Just money money money with the rest of the not-fans world
MisterFixit - 10/7/2009, 9:13 AM
@super: Touche to Hugh the Douch-e!

Well, my friends, we all know who to bring in when someone becomes to passionate about their role:


MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 9:14 AM
She's passionate about him. She was almost falling out of her chair over him. What ever happened to objectivity and professionalism from anchors and reporters? Its like it went "pffft"! Buh bye! She was sooo fawning over him.

Also, he says that Wolverine is by far the most interesting of all the comicbook heroes. Hmmmm...I have a sneaking suspicion the man had only read Wolverine's comics. Probably back in '99 when he first got the role to now. ...Only wolverine comics.
Phinehas - 10/7/2009, 9:15 AM
@phinehas well wolverine no argument is one of the most interesting so maybe he just took a liking to him. my vote goes to spiderman a nervous smartass teen with spider powers can you say awesome
bleedthefreak16 - 10/7/2009, 9:21 AM
Well, I still think Wolverine is the most interesting super hero..or at least one of them. But a character is only as good as the person writing him. Mark Millar has ensured Wolvie is still at the top of the tier. Maybe Hugh hasn't read a lot of other comics, but he's not wrong.
RorMachine - 10/7/2009, 9:22 AM
Love that dude!
ElBicho - 10/7/2009, 9:26 AM
Just dont [frick] up part 2 and eveything will be forgiven. Well maybe! ;)
wards - 10/7/2009, 9:27 AM
"..or at least one of them."

I'd agree to that! But to say, "THE most"? No. There are quite a few characters that are very interesting to follow.
Phinehas - 10/7/2009, 9:28 AM
@rorschach, Do we really need another movie about wolverine, when we have 4 already.


@multi, dude, did you catch any z's recently. lol.
supermarioworldE - 10/7/2009, 9:28 AM
@ElBicho (or Mr. D*ck if you're feeling nasty): He loves you too, dude! Ka-Ching!

@super: The Surfer never sleeps. He converts energy into matter to sustain himself. Then he crashes a sorority mixer at 3 am, when the girls are JUST drunk enough
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 9:29 AM
silver samurai should be in the next one
bleedthefreak16 - 10/7/2009, 9:29 AM
Ratner hasn't read comic,so god bless Hugh
MisterFixit - 10/7/2009, 9:30 AM
Oh yeah, I mean I prefer certain characters but they wouldn't really be "super heros". Wolvie, X Men, Batman, Spidey..maybe Hulk and Daredevil(again, depending on whos writing) I tend to follow the most from the Superhero gang.

Mario, yes, we do!
RorMachine - 10/7/2009, 9:33 AM
@Multi. lol. I thought there was a disco ball talking to me at my dorm. lol
supermarioworldE - 10/7/2009, 9:35 AM
If hugh has more involvement the next one could be good...if not I think it'll be one see online for me.
thwhtGuardian - 10/7/2009, 9:37 AM
I tell you what Jackman needs to do - he NEEDS to learn how to FIGHT! Logan is an uber-ninja, with over one hundred years of time on his hands to learn just about every fighting system on the planet! This 'hack', 'slash' and 'thrust' crap MAY have worked on the original 'X-Men' movie (it didn't for me), but it doesn't even come CLOSE to cutting it nowadays (no pun intended)! If Jackman really IS a producer (not just in name only), he'd be smart to get a Hong Kong director in on the fight scenes (Donnie Yen or Tsui Hark maybe, whadaya' guys think?) and start martial arts training NOW!
loganoneil - 10/7/2009, 9:38 AM
@rorschach, STFU! just kidding.

look, I wouldn't mind another X-men movie if they fix all of the last movies crap, but I am really getting tired of just wolverine. You'd feel just as bad as me if they gave every movie to Cyclops and gave him a spinoff while neglecting all the other x-men.
supermarioworldE - 10/7/2009, 9:41 AM
@super: Well, they were balls. . . and they were shiny
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 9:42 AM
Chris Pine for Captain America.

@Ror captain America isnt on that list of yours. blasphemy!!

@thwhtknight you suck with your cool avatar i was gonna get till i saw yours. i love mallrats.
bleedthefreak16 - 10/7/2009, 9:42 AM
Ror- I am with you on Mark Millar's Logan. I have not fully read his second Wolverine Run (I am waiting to get Old Man Logan on tpb) but his first run was stellar and I could definitely see that being an interesting movie even if it was just animated.
ironknight27 - 10/7/2009, 9:45 AM
@super: Cyclops is the man! I want to be like him when I grow up



. . or for Halloween, whichever comes first.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 9:48 AM
I liked the first one...yeah it was screwed up yadayada but overall it was entertaining..hopefully Hugh understands the flaws and that is why he's trying to lure us into Japan! :P




teabag - 10/7/2009, 9:50 AM
Multi- You know I did not like Cyclops before Joss Whedon and now I think think that he along with Brubaker and Fraction have made him a lot more bad ass. Nice visor by the way!
ironknight27 - 10/7/2009, 9:50 AM
Multi - are we talking movie Scott Summers or comic book Scott Summers ('cause movie Summers came off as kind of an emo douchebag to me...)?
loganoneil - 10/7/2009, 9:51 AM
why would everyone bash a guy for loving a character and loving making movies about him. maybe they dont live up to your standards, but at least he tries. and for those who say money money money, 1st off as he said he has plenty of money and probably his choice or roles so to think he only does this for the money is stupid. 2nd off, last time i check the entertainment industry was a business that is designed to make profits, not please individual fanboys. they do have to consider people who are not fans when making these movies. if they didnt, the movies wouldnt make enough money to be profitable, in which case they wouldnt be made at all. if you want art for art's sake go to the frigen museum.
superdog - 10/7/2009, 9:55 AM
Dog - So I take it you're a DC fan... (LMFAO!)
loganoneil - 10/7/2009, 9:57 AM

MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 9:58 AM
I was disappointed with W:O. Having grown up with Wolverine in books, I was expecting something a little more along the lines of either his original origin, which was as a Canadian agent sent to fight Hulk (which would have been sick), or the Barry Windsor Smith Weapon X story (which would have been good too). I didn't like Origins (the book) so I didn't like how it translated on film either. It simplified him, made him a bit watered down. Didn't like it at all.
gtrman - 10/7/2009, 9:58 AM
Funny Wolvie Pictures, Images and Photos
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 10:00 AM
WOLVERINE SH!T-ERINES WAS SH!TE!!! ; D

On another note,, of course he's gonna defend it, he's making the [frick]ing sequel!

LMAO!
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 10:02 AM
you have to admire Jackman standing up for the character and being into it so much. The guy embodies Wolverine now - as much as the movie didn't work - it wasn't his fault.....I think the studios messed with it too hard with all the cameos etc....Too rushed....

But I will tell you - I'm game for the Japanese sequel. Jackman's awesome.
Keven - 10/7/2009, 10:05 AM
@ Leee - bro......You need to stop with the Wolverine bashing already dude......It's gone on too long. Let it go man. I think everyone gets it.
Keven - 10/7/2009, 10:07 AM
everybody read my supermike article
bleedthefreak16 - 10/7/2009, 10:07 AM
Keven- I totally agree with you. A lot of the movie felt rushed. I am hoping that they will take their time with the sequel.
ironknight27 - 10/7/2009, 10:09 AM
It's so awesome that Hugh is actually a guy who loves the role and has enthusiastically proclaimed his desire to play it as many more times as he can.
So often you get these guys who get a big head and think they're too good for a role. It's refreshing to see Hugh talk like he does.
slimybug - 10/7/2009, 10:10 AM
Dog@Damn right.....how did anyone expect a true portrayal of Wolverine when its just an origin for Singers vision of Logan....i,e the guy who swings his arms alot whilst using hairspray lol :P



Get over it i think since most of the people who hate it are the people that say there just happy to see their characters on screen....well look forward to the next one then lol :P
teabag - 10/7/2009, 10:11 AM
@Multipurposeponi - I am pretty sure I am the only one who knew where that Silver Surfer panel was from haha. That was my favorite fight in the entire Cable & Deadpool series. Showed just how powerful Cable really is.
saymekian - 10/7/2009, 10:13 AM
I don't admire him , just cuz he is into the Character. He is an Artist and his latest work was Shite! (LEE777) AS an Artist he is supposed to take things and make them better and more relevant. That movie failed in those ways an soooo many more. IF Hugh Jackman "Embodies Wolverine now" then, well "that just Stinkeneth" (JarJar Binks-Attack of the Clones). If he has any involvement in a film it is his responsibility to see it be as good as possible and not make any excuses for when he creates art that fails. Its like a painting that sucks but no one can tell the artist cuz they are soooo proud of themselves.... yeah you Rob Liefeld!
shibazz - 10/7/2009, 10:18 AM
@multi, he he, balls.

Cyclops is the man. Which is why I hate Those x-men movies even more
supermarioworldE - 10/7/2009, 10:22 AM

MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 10:22 AM
Lee, i agree with Kev, it gets old hearing you bash the movie every chance you get, especially considering some of the absolute garbage you actually do like!..not that i can talk i guess, i will take a shot at GI Joke whenever the opportunity arises:)

And as i have said before, I shall say again, anyone that thinks Doucheclops is a better character than Wolverine, is deeply [frick]ing suspect!


RorMachine - 10/7/2009, 10:23 AM
KEVEN @ W*NKERINE BORIGINS! ; D

SHIBAZZ @ Hear hear, he is a [frick]ing ROB LIEFELD!

He sold out, like RYAN [frick]ing REYNOLDS too!!

We luv FOX really.... Not lol.
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 10:23 AM
Lol @ ROR @ Thats why you dish TRANSFORMERS 2 every chance you get! ; D
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 10:24 AM
lmao, how did they sell out you nut?
RorMachine - 10/7/2009, 10:25 AM
Ror@ sounds like a sequel :)

Multi@ i know why......






:P
teabag - 10/7/2009, 10:26 AM
Anyway Peace....

Im just hoping for a better WOLVERINE 2, GI JOE 2 and TRANSFORMERS 3!!!

Then we all win! ; )
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 10:26 AM
Lol @ Tea !!!

ROR @ They was playing LOGAN & DEADPOOL by name only, they wasn't playing the characters we all know and love.

I say REBOOT the whole [frick]ing X-Universe an leave DD alone! : D
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 10:28 AM
Ror-I guess he means that they're getting paid for working a job. Hey, what do you know! I'm a sellout, too!
MatchesMalone - 10/7/2009, 10:31 AM
W:0 is a good movie, for action wise but if you try to relate it to the comics the movie is a suckfest, maybe now that he is writing this script and is "such an enthusiast" maybe this one will stick closer to the comics even though it will still have to have elements from the previous movies so the story line makes sense.
Osiris - 10/7/2009, 10:34 AM
@LEE, Exactly

supermarioworldE - 10/7/2009, 10:37 AM
Thats why its called an adaptation Lee! They were playing VERSIONS of the characters. It does not make them sell outs. And what about all the differences in the characters in GI Joke?? You defend that move all the time. Were Scarlett and Tatum(whatever his name was) lovers in the comic? Was Ripcord black? Was Scarlett only brain washed into being a villain? Was Cobra Commander's name REx? Was he Scarletts brother???

Every movie changes things. Even the holy grail of Iron Man changed stuff from the comic. Ok, Deadpool did take the absolute piss, but nothing that cant be fixed in a solo movie. And Jackman played the only version of Wolverine he could play in a pg13 movie. You cant blame him for that.
RorMachine - 10/7/2009, 10:37 AM
Origins was by far the best X-men movie since X1. People keep complaining about how it does not follow the comics. CRY ME A RIVER!

NO MOVIE FOLLOWS THE COMICS PERFECTLY.

In fact, Origins actually DOES follow the comic pretty closely in a sense that it takes many different story elements from the comics and combines them into a single plotline. I saw all kinds of little details from the comics that the producers/directer took into consideration to make this movie. So, please stop with the talk about how it does "not follow the comics."

...because that is just a bunch of nonsense.
Macksimus - 10/7/2009, 10:39 AM
bleedthefreak16 mallrats is indeed awesome.

I love the fancy nancey hugh jackman picks standing in for wolverine's twin brother.
I think it's possible to move on from wolverine and not carry over stuff from the first, as long as you leave out sabeer tooth a second movie can progress away from wolverine origins and be good on its own. I wanna see a hugh jackman samurai movie sort of like the last samurai with claws.
thwhtGuardian - 10/7/2009, 10:41 AM
Ror- Cyclops is cool but I agree with you he is no way more bad ass than Logan. And its funny that people bash origins for changing things and IronMan and the Dark Knight changed things around as well. Granted it worked better in those movie but Origins was not as bad as people made it out to be.
ironknight27 - 10/7/2009, 10:48 AM
testing testing 1 2 3
KeepItReal - 10/7/2009, 10:52 AM
At the very least, I think most of us can agree that the portrayal of Gambit was god-awful!
MatchesMalone - 10/7/2009, 10:52 AM
haha, ah i know hes alright, sometimes. I'm not very drawn to the clean cut soldier boy type character though. He ius certainly better than he was portrayed in the movies, although i dont think James Marsten was bad, just had to work with an underwritten character.
RorMachine - 10/7/2009, 10:53 AM
Superdog: just said what they do(fox,not hugh). Not if it's correct or not for me or someone other. If, as a result, we will have a lot of CBM... They are welcome. May be they can learn from mistake:-)
MisterFixit - 10/7/2009, 10:57 AM
test 2
ComicBookMovie - 10/7/2009, 11:01 AM
The word Adapting is a COP OUT!!

So you'd rather only 50 % of the real thing lol, then good 4 you!!

i think most want as close as possible of their favorite heroes & villains on the big screen than HOLLYWOOD watered down bits of sh!T!! : D

I gotta agree though JAMES MARSTENS is a good CYCLOPS just was under used thats all..
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 11:01 AM
no one told me there's a TEST lol??? ; D
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 11:02 AM
LEEE@ your contadicting yourself cus you said you didnt care about the changes in Joe cus you were just happy to see them on screen!!!!!! lmao :P
teabag - 10/7/2009, 11:03 AM
Ror- Now in the comics Scott is bad ass but before I could not stand him. Marsden wasnt too shabby as Scott but yeah he was underwritten.

MatchesMalone- Gambit wasnt horrible but they could have handled his character better. I hope they do have him in the sequel because to me it is interesting to see how Gambit plays off of Logan.
ironknight27 - 10/7/2009, 11:04 AM
For the next Wolverine film I would like to know how many mutants are they going to cram into it. If it's going to be set in Japan will we see Sunfire as well as Silver Samauri? Hugh is right about the Japan saga being a great idea for a film. It's truly a fantastic time for us comic book gurus.
hewilldefytheirgravity - 10/7/2009, 11:04 AM
And gambit is my favorite x-man. You can imagine how pissed I am
supermarioworldE - 10/7/2009, 11:04 AM
I understand some people take the bitching too far, but can you guys actually say that W:O followed the origin portrayed in the comics? I'm not talking micro (Logan and Saber being brothers), I'm talking macro (the memory bullet, the nuclear base, Gambit). Maybe I'm just a tad too old school, but I wasn't of this NEW Wolverine back story. Len Wein created a BRILLIANT history for Wolverine (Which X1 and X2 portrayed). Watching W:O, it felt like I have to forget 20 years of the Wolverine story I know just for it to make sense. I'm all for modernizing comic movies to fit the times, but a blatant disregard for the story line that the original writers worked so hard to create is unnecessary.

I read an article last year that had Gavin Hood explaining why Alpha Flight wasn't included in this movie. He pretty much said that there were enough characters in the movie already, and Alpha Flight wasn't needed to tell the story. But Gambit, Blob and Deadpool were?
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 11:06 AM
The whole world needs to stand up to Katie Couric and every other hack journalist.

Wolverine is a great character. Hugh Jackman is a great actor. He did the best with what he had.

W:O was an adaptation. A BAD one.

Mediocre and lackluster, and unworthy of either the actor or the source material
DarthMulder - 10/7/2009, 11:11 AM
TEA @ lol, JOE isnt a CBM i care more about CBMs!! CBMs have rich pasts that dont need pissing on, this is CBM web-side not a TOY site,, Anyway you bitched about BORIGINS alot who's bent you over lol???

End of the day there was no need to make SABRETOOTH and LOGAN brothers, I suppose the RED SKULLS their father too, Sh1Te lol. An that just one of the lame parts in that cluster-fcuk of a joke of an x-men movie!!! ; D

Anyway SILVER SAMURAI for WOLVIE 2!!!


LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 11:12 AM
Hey, Im not agreeing with the choices, im just acknowledging that they are a part of the process. A movie based on a comic is just that. All it CAN ever be is an adaptation. Unless you literally want all movies to be motion comics?? Sure some liberties are unnecessary but its the nature of the beast. We can only hope they do better next time.

Anyway, what really gets me is the hypocrisy. If anyone has a major problem with the changes then they should have the same problem with pretty much every CBM ever made. TDK is sighted as "the way it should be done" and i agree, it is. Do you think that it stuck to the comic?? Leee still hasn't answered me on the GI Joe thing..because he cant. He has no argument. He defends a movie that took more liberties with the source than Wolverine did. The best I can hope for is...

"Gi Joe was based on a toy line, Wankerine Boreigins is Wolverine man!!:);)"
RorMachine - 10/7/2009, 11:12 AM
@ logan

yeah, logan is a "fallen" samurai, but you NEVER see him doing martial arts in the comics, except for stories that took place in the past. now all you really see is him doing exactly what you said, hack, slash, stab. he's a berserker, not a cool and calm samurai. and how can you blame him, i'd run head first into everything too if i knew i couldn't die
CorndogBurglar - 10/7/2009, 11:12 AM
Multi- I will say that the first about 5-10 minutes of the movie followed pretty close to the "Origin" book but the rest was like Leee stated adapted. I did not read that article about why he didnt use Alpha Flight. He should just be honest and say that he knew having Gambit's and Deadpool's names attached would sell more tickets.
ironknight27 - 10/7/2009, 11:13 AM
Leee-I never understood why filmakers feel that they need to change SO MUCH from comics to film. Adaptations, yes. Complete retoolings, no. I will just never get why these studio f*cks don't realize that there are so many stories to mine from that they pretty much have their pick at what they can "adapt", and that the general public is not as stupid as they think. So it is possible to make a movie with these characters, even if non-comic fans are unfamiliar with them, that they don't have to dumb them down.
MatchesMalone - 10/7/2009, 11:14 AM
I think they should reboot Wolverine starring Wesley Snipes!
Phinehas - 10/7/2009, 11:15 AM
JACKMAN IS A VERY COOL GUY
GUNSMITH - 10/7/2009, 11:21 AM
Bottomline Marvel needs to take this franchise away from Fox. That and get better script writers.
ironknight27 - 10/7/2009, 11:21 AM
ironknight-I feel that the actor was not a good pick (where's the damn cajun accent?), the look of the costume was way off, and what's with the running on the walls? Imo, three strikes, you're out.
MatchesMalone - 10/7/2009, 11:22 AM
You know why I think the TDK, IM, and other successeful cbm adaptations were accepted? The were able to tap into the spirit, essence, or "feel" of the characters or stories. Examples like GI Joe are painful reminders of too many liberties taken. W:O has aspects that hearken a little closer to the comic's rythym, but then diverges heavily at other times. This would explain why it doesn't have an over-all broad acceptance. You even run into people that hate on TDK for the same reason. But I love it. For me, it was totally accurate in capturing that spirit of the character. Despite liberties taken.
Phinehas - 10/7/2009, 11:22 AM
My problem is not that they changed things. Yes, Iron Man did it and they made a great movie out of it. But the difference to W:O is exactly that: Iron Man is a great movie, and W:O is an okay action flick at best.

It bothers me that a lot of the changes in W:O were simply unnecessary, because the scource material already provided a great story, and it makes me really angry that none of the changes was used to tell a great unique new story. It was just plain bad.

Sure they change things in the process of an adaptation. But if the result is something that simply replaced gold with shit, well, [frick] that!
Kyos - 10/7/2009, 11:28 AM
LEEE@ ive never slagged of Glorygins...lol ive said that it was flawed but not terrible....saying Joe is not a CBM means it had no right being reported on this site ,lol...you wouldnt have any of the history with just the toys now would ya.....you do make me laugh sometimes..lmao :P
teabag - 10/7/2009, 11:31 AM
Matches- The accent did seem to fade in and out at times. The running on walls thing was a bit weird but to me he wasnt that bad. I would not call what he was wearing a costume but it did somewhat resemble the outfit that ultimate Gambit sported. The thing that bothered me a little was the helicopter thing he did with his staff.
ironknight27 - 10/7/2009, 11:33 AM
What I'm wondering is, why can't they just storyboard directly out of the comics? Even the thought-bubble narration can be an audible internal monologue. They did that for Wolverine in the opening sequence of the animated feature Hulk vs. Wolverine. I know its animated, but the principle would still work.
Phinehas - 10/7/2009, 11:34 AM
lee77@ you crack me up man. every time with this movie its the same old shit. you didnt like it fine, thats great. lots of people didnt. but ROR is dead on with the hipocrasy issue and i myself have used that word to describe everything you say. if your standard is a movie must stick to the source material then its EVERY MOVIE. you cant pick and choose. gijoe has a wealth of source material as well, toy line yes, but also various cartoons, previous movies, and comic books. that movie totally shredded those much like wolverine. so you should be equally appalled. but i forgot, wolverank shenanigans sucked, were talking GIjoe man!!!!!.
superdog - 10/7/2009, 11:36 AM
damn stop ya bic thin@lee ffs ppl
thats my job ok lol
lc - 10/7/2009, 11:41 AM
Just about all of our summer comic book movies sucked this year. It was really sad......

Wolverine Sucked Ass

Transformers was a piece of shit

GI Joe was a joke and an insult to fans

Are you kidding me? Guys Lets face we can write opinions until we turn blue the studios dont give three shits about what fans like us think about our CB hero movie adaptations. Its all money to them and movies like the Incredible Hulk, TDK, IM and TF1 are because we have gotten lucky not because the studios are thinking about an Oscar or respect from their film collegues its all about money.
Hellmont - 10/7/2009, 11:42 AM
Clearly anyone that disagrees with me is not a true comic book fan! ; D

Seriously, who wants WATERED DOWN HOLLYWOOD SH1TE instead of the real thing??????

Im not say do it 100 % to the comic but geez more than 50 % this is why stuff like WATCHMEN and stuff are better!!



: D
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 11:43 AM
Bring it on! ; D


LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 11:45 AM
"ya bic thin@lee ffs ppl"

You had me at "damn stop" then lost me on your native tongue. Is that tagalog? I know Leee777 likes the asians.
Phinehas - 10/7/2009, 11:46 AM
LEEE@ anyone who enjoyed Gi-Joe isnt a movie fan in general..lol


Anyway Patrick Stewart liked it so much he wants to dance........




teabag - 10/7/2009, 11:46 AM
@ironknight: I'm trying to find the article now, I think it was in Empire or Entertainment Weekly. If I find it I'll post it.

I know alot of people keep talking about the "Origin" book, and that's fine. what I don't understand is how they honestly thought they could fit Wolverine's ENTIRE history into one movie. With the exception of the Japan saga, that's what they did.

this would be my (simplified) idea for a Wolvie Origins movie.

First Act: Logan leaves the plantation he grew up in and lives in the wilderness until the Blackfoot Indians take him in. They help re-civilize him and he meets Silver Fox. After she is mysterious butchered, he signs up for the Canadian Military.

Second Act: Logan finds himself stationed in Japan, then recalled by the military for the invasion of Normandy. He briefly meets Captain America, helps save his life and is offered a position with the US government. He meets Sabertooth, Maverick, Mastodon and Kestrel. We see the training and brainwashing TEAM X goes through. Logan is on a Team X mission when his healing factor starts fighting at his memory implants. Team X is ordered to eliminate him at the end of the mission. He escapes and turns to the Canadian Defense Ministry for work.

Third Act: Immediately after he is hired, he is kidnapped by Weapon X (which was a secret part of Department K). We see the adamantium forcibly fused to his skeleton. Introduce Nathan Essex, Doctor Thorton, Lord Dark Wind and others involved with the program, with a cameo of a younger Nick Fury representing Weapon Plus. Weapon X wipes his mind completely and tries to insert their own memory program that would leave him primal and savage. This backfires and Logan breaks free in full breserker rage. Fights his way out of the facility, and hides deep in the woods. The movie ends with James and Heather Hudson finding Logan and taking him home with them; meanwhile, at Weapon X, the scientists are trying to salvage as much as possible after Logan's escape. Nathan Essex is talking to the Director, explaining that enough of Logan's DNA was salvaged to mass produce embryos. The Director is outraged and attempts to grab Essex. Essex relinquishes his disguise and show's his true form: Mr. Sinister, killing the Director in the process.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 11:48 AM
LEEE@ anyone who enjoyed Gi-Joe isnt a movie fan in general..lol


Anyway Patrick Stewart liked it so much he wants to dance........




teabag - 10/7/2009, 11:49 AM
I love cliffhangers, MPP! Providing that they're no more than a year apart.
Phinehas - 10/7/2009, 11:53 AM
You can't knock the guy for trying. He seems to have a genuine affection for the character, and he's got at least a working knowledge of Logan's history. There are other cases of a studio giving a franchise to a filmmaker that had MUCH less understanding and appreciation for the source material. *cough-Bryan Singer-cough*

This silliness of nitpicking every movie to death online just might be the reason that some quality directors and actors stay away from these adaptations. It's not like Jackman knows nothing about the character and has strayed completely away from the source material. For all they knew at the time, this would be the only Wolverine solo movie, so they were faced with the task of writing Wolverine's origin and tying it into the first X movie, and I think that's where many of the changes came in. If they had had the luxury of writing three films for this, they could have possibly gone into Japan, Alpha Flight, and many of the other elements that upset some people because they were left out, plus they wouldn't have had to consider including so MANY characters for use in future spin-off's.
Velox - 10/7/2009, 11:53 AM
@Poni: Nice pitch, but it presupposes that there would be more than one movie. They didn't know that at the time, which is why it's so condensed.
Velox - 10/7/2009, 11:55 AM
Multi- That would have been interesting movie to see. I agree that his entire history would be hard to capture on film. The Japan Saga is an interesting story and I just hope they dont ruin it. They can add some characters like Lady Deathstrike or even Silver Samurai but they can not go overboard with the cameos like they did before. When I first heard about the movie I was hoping it was going to be more on the lines of what the Bourne Identity was like. I wasnt expecting it to be exactly like any of those movies because if it was then what would be the point of making the movie to begin with.
ironknight27 - 10/7/2009, 11:56 AM
Lets all just agree to disagree!! ; D



Damn TEABAG u bastard i had that TREK one was saving it for something special lol! : (

: D
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 11:57 AM
You know, the beautiful thing about a character with memory loss is: You don't have to tell the entire story at once! I makes sense to use flashbacks down the road. They could have shown a bit of Japan, and left the rest for a sequel. It would be as if Logan is learning about himself along with the audience.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 12:01 PM
@Velox: I understand that they didn't know for sure that a sequel would be green lit, but to condense all that they did was completely unnecessary. Look what we're going to have now:

W:O - Only 20 minutes dedicated to the Weapon X program, which is the most important aspect of Wolvie's past

W:O 2 - An entire 2 hour movie dedicated to the Japan saga.

Kind of unbalanced, no? Now, the Japan storyline will overshadow the Team X, Weapon X and Weapon Plus story.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 12:07 PM
lee77@ i agree that your an ass :)
superdog - 10/7/2009, 12:12 PM
Pinehas, Kyos..of course thats very true too, Iron man and TDK were all round better movies, i was just saying, people that solely bitch about Wolverine for the changes need to cop on. It was a solid action movie at best. But I did love Screiber's Creed.

Leee,...I give up!
RorMachine - 10/7/2009, 12:13 PM
@Poni: I'm not saying I thought it was a fantastic script, just that I understand what was going on during those script revision meetings. And let's face it, they had to leave some of that stuff out of the adaptation. There are forty years of some really convoluted X-Men and Wolverine books to contend with in all of this. Even if I grant you that it could have been better, I'm not sure that if I were faced with writing a script like this that I could pick what needed to be either excluded or included. And besides, I would get torn apart because of the things I picked and how I chose to adapt them into a two hour movie, and then I would get torn apart for the things I left out.

I'm just saying I thought it was a valiant effort, considering what they were faced with. And yes, I did think that it could have been a better film, but I think that about virtually every film I see, let alone the ones where I have some preexisting emotional attachment to a major character.
Velox - 10/7/2009, 12:22 PM
Or they could agree to make a series of film made at the same time like LOTR. If the first one flopped for whatever reason, They could make up in limited release box sets on video.
Phinehas - 10/7/2009, 12:26 PM
@Rorschach: I'm with you completely on that. And us getting on here 'Monday Morning Quarterbacking' all the minutia of every single comic book film isn't really constructive, and it certainly isn't helping Warner Bros. to get their act together. (Not to mention that it solidifies some studio executives prejudicial opinions about comic book fans, and may make them less inclined to actually listen to our opinions about the characters.)
Velox - 10/7/2009, 12:28 PM
@Ror
Yeah, we can agree on that. It's silly to complain only because there are changes. Jackman and Schreiber are both great in their roles. Everybody who wanted this Mane guy from X-Men back for Sabretooth should get his head checked.

The whole thing just so sad. They could have made the Wolverine movie a dark, gritty R-rated epic tale of rage, loss and vengeance. I mean, it's a movie about the traumatic origins of a character who's main powers are surviving almost every injury and later slicing things (people) with his claws. A character who fought in numerous wars and whose wife is brutally murdered by a homicidal maniac with pretty similar powers. A character who is brainwashed and on whose body some crazy scientists perform gruesome experiments.

How can you seriously have no blood in it? The idea alone is ridiculous...
Kyos - 10/7/2009, 12:42 PM
After reading most of the B.S. of posts on this thread i gotta say...,. I dont want any more FU@KING adaptions!!!!!

Wolvie:Snorigins was complete and utter crap! I hate that damned movie ..... cuz it was such a let down... Even the action was worthless and inexplainable! The treatment of the characters was a disgrace to all we know and yes R.Reynolds and HUg JackOff were the two biggest SEllouts in that whole movie... next is the jackaZZ who played GAmbit... the only reason i can respect Liev S. is cuz he didnt really declare himself as SaberTooth or that he "loves" the character. Sabertooth with short hair and one stupid set of clothes that lacked any personality is not the sabertooth i even care to see. That stuid movie is a travesty and has lowered the bar big time for a ling time. Just imagine if the Characters from Star Wars were treated the same way and you had a couple of guys claiming to love the characters and we still ended up with such Tripe!

Maximus- your comment was lame

and yes GI JOe was better than Whimperine and yes i hate to say that cuz i wanted them both to be much much better. Lets be honest .... what we got sucks and is no where near what we had hoped for years back when it was all still fresh and new and we were younger. F#CK!
shibazz - 10/7/2009, 12:46 PM
Not a big fan of the last movie, On the other hand the Japan story line....That's got the making of something that COULD be cool.
HeckYeah - 10/7/2009, 12:46 PM
@ Leee and Shibazz - You don't want any more adaptations?

I suggest leaving the site then because this is A SITE DEDICATED TO ADAPTATIONS. lol.

"R.Reynolds and HUg JackOff were the two biggest SEllouts in that whole movie"

- Shibazz

"Seriously, who wants WATERED DOWN HOLLYWOOD SH1TE instead of the real thing??????"

- Leee

Ok.......ok.......wow.....lol. You guys fail....I'm sorry, but ya fail....You're winning the very argument for the people that oppose your oppinions. It's less work and hilarious at the same time for the rest of us.


Keven - 10/7/2009, 1:02 PM
I wanna flip shibazz's bean... is that a lame comment???

As long as beyonce stays the [frick] away from cbms, ...yeah. That's my comment.

Keven- I love you and both "e"s in your name.
Shaman - 10/7/2009, 1:05 PM
@heckyeah Yeah, but it won't. Fox will make damn sure of that. I pray to the lord everyday that Deadpool won't suck, but Fox hovers over it like a spaceship over the white house, waiting to obliterate it
supermarioworldE - 10/7/2009, 1:06 PM
@supermarioworldE - When it comes to FOX I feel your pain ...lol.
I'm going to be all about "ME" for a sec. and say I will still, most likly pay money to go see it on the Big Screen.
Why...? I think Hugh is a good Wolverine ( The Story Line going to far away from the comic is what I'm not crazy about...)and I'm a CBM fan....Yeah Know.
HeckYeah - 10/7/2009, 1:14 PM
Origins wasnt too bad but there was a hell of a lot of things wrong with it! Im not sure if any sequel wherever its set would be any good whilst in Fox's hands!
JoshW - 10/7/2009, 1:15 PM
Oh Shaman - You never cease to creep me out with your nonstop creepy flirtatiousness towards not only another dude - but a chick who digs chicks.

My name is hardcore - Double "E"s mofo. That's how you do it.
Keven - 10/7/2009, 1:16 PM
@Heckyeah, When marvel gets back the rights, all will be well. Until then, don't waste your money dude.

@josh, Fox has hands dirtier than a 13 year old who just discovered porn!
supermarioworldE - 10/7/2009, 1:22 PM
"I wanna flip shibazz's bean... is that a lame comment???"

I won't give my judgment on lameness, but it certainly changed the tone on this thread! LOL
Phinehas - 10/7/2009, 1:36 PM
lol @ Keven & Shaman

@ velox: It's not silly to talk about things we did and didn't like about movies online. Were exchanging ideas man. That's what we do. It's cool.


Several of you guys have made the charge that LEEE777 is a hyppocrite for disliking one movie because of the changes and not others.
I don't think he's being hypocritical, just critical.

Some changes that they have made to certain CBMs work for him, and some don't. Isn't that the same for all of us?

I will give you an example. Remember in Elektra, when that precoscious brat she was protecting started slapping around Ninjas with stupid MAGIC BEADS??? Now.. that was not from the comic. It's so stupid, that of course no comic book writer would do that.

NOW... if you guys agree that that part in Elektra was stupid, but you didn't mind that Sabertooth was Wolverine's brother does that make you a hyppocrite?
Or just a guy that knows what he does and doesn't like?

That's a simple judgement call that each of us as comic book fans are perfectly at our leisure to make and there's nothing wrong with it.

That's not hypocritical. Hypocritical would be if you claimed to hate ALL changes but then approve one or two.

There isn't anyone here that is dumb enough to think they can or should just show a comic book on the screen and call it a day. There must be some tweaking and some modernization and some added realism, no doubt.

But the question is... did they do that stuff WELL (TDK) or did they do it BADLY (W:O)

It's just a judgement call, and I for one am not going to judge anyones... umm judgements lol :)
DarthMulder - 10/7/2009, 2:19 PM
wolverine 2 would be good, if they had the right people and if hugh had a little more control
hellenkeller420 - 10/7/2009, 2:25 PM
@ ROR, I hate to correct you, but above when you went off about Scarlett & Duke, and Scarlett & Rex, I believe you meant, Barroness. Scarlett was the redhead that Ripcord was droolong all over.
WulfComicFan - 10/7/2009, 2:31 PM
Kev- Wait till a chick with a dick comes on here!!! Then you'll really witness how much i can let loose with the jiz!!! LOL :P

DarthMulder- Well... you do raise a good point BUT... it's all in the way we word it. It's hypocriticle to flat out say that "Wackerines: [foo foo]igins is crap for all the changes they made and then say that GI JOE was the dark horse of the summer. It is possible to say that the changes in Wolverine were so bad that it affected my enjoyment of the film while Gi Joe's changes weren't as disrespectful." I think there is a difference even if it's a GODDAMN subtle one ;P
Shaman - 10/7/2009, 2:34 PM
eleven more movies that's a lot and if its eleven he might be saying there that there is an x men 4
flames809 - 10/7/2009, 2:41 PM
..when it comes to wolverine.. hugh should just say 'sorry', and nothing else.
InFamouslyCool - 10/7/2009, 2:42 PM
and an uncomfortable silence fills the room. lol
Keven - 10/7/2009, 2:43 PM
That's cause a 14 year old just came in and everyone just cringed LOL :P
Shaman - 10/7/2009, 2:47 PM
True, Shaman. I think what's going on here is that you guys are annoyed at his impetuousness.

The first thing I noticed when i finally realized these comment sections were even here were LEEE's diatribes. It's inevitable

He's flogging a dead horse.. and the horse has totaly disintegrated so he's just flogging the ground lol
DarthMulder - 10/7/2009, 2:54 PM
@flames: Do yourself a favor and go play with your balls.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 3:00 PM
@ Darth, well said man, well said. I agree, and for the record I wasn't too disapointed by either Wolverine:Origins or GI Joe. But I can also separate myself from the source material I love so much. If I couldn't I would never watch movies, because *NEWS FLASH* alomost all movies are adaptations, and they all suck compared to their source materials! I submit for your consideration, I Am Legend, if anyone read the novella, then saw the movie, they would have done as I did at first, and walked out of the movie. But when you sit back and watch it objectively, it wasn't bad as a movie, also for your consideration, Harry Potter movies, and the list goes on & on.

@ LEEE, WOW man, I mean really WOW. settle down, before your soil your knickers! Deep calming breaths, and take the criticism with a grain of salt.
WulfComicFan - 10/7/2009, 3:04 PM
@luffy: Cut it out with the goddamn DBZ videos!
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 3:06 PM
I really hate Hugh Jackman now! Get rid of this jerk! He is not true to the source material period! Wolverine: Snorigins was a travesty just made to get the money from the kiddies parent's pockets. He is a traitor to Marvel and X-men!

He was one of the producers of this movie so he had control over it and he still went ahead and made this piece of Krap!

I don't know why anybody would be forgiving to him and
watch his next piece of Krap! I don't want an apology
from him I want him to disappear from CBM's! Replace him
with Christian Kane! Hugh's a senior citizen now anyway!
He's too old to play a wolverine who barely ages!

Reboot X-men and make Iceman the same age as the other
first X-men, Cyclops, Jean, Beast, and Angel (which needs to be the same age too). How are they going to make a
X-men First Class when Iceman and Angel won't even have
been born yet! First Class will be 3 people! Wow what a movie! It's so wrong it makes my head almost explode! Damm!
DDD - 10/7/2009, 3:07 PM
@ Luffy, DUDE, this is ComicBookMovie.com, not anime freaks are us! QUIT that shyte!
WulfComicFan - 10/7/2009, 3:08 PM
@DDD: Sometimes I beat off with a belt around my neck. . . does that make you feel better?
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 3:09 PM
@ Multi, man you crack me up!
WulfComicFan - 10/7/2009, 3:15 PM
. . . I was serious
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 3:16 PM



:P
teabag - 10/7/2009, 3:17 PM
Better stop that stuff Multi@, or you might end up like David Caradine! lol
DDD - 10/7/2009, 3:29 PM
@DDD He got complacent in his old age. When you play hard, you always have a spotter
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 3:33 PM
@Shibaz

Really? Name one CBM that follows the comics perfectly?

...I'm sorry, but if that's your argument for a movie being crappy, then every CBM ever made is shit.


Macksimus - 10/7/2009, 3:42 PM
@DarthMulder: I get what you're saying, and I'm all for the exchange of ideas and the constructive dissection of films. Key word there being 'constructive'. But those aren't the sort of posts that inspired my comments: Stating that a film is crap without taking into consideration the mechanics and limitations of the medium, is silliness. Tearing apart a film because it's not the way you had hoped to see it made, is also silliness. (Because we should all know by now that never has, and never will happen.) If your opinion of said film is already well known, yet you take any opportunity to tear it apart because you were disappointed in Wolverine's haircut...or whatever, is pure silliness. Can you understand that that's exactly why some filmmakers don't take the fans seriously?

I notice your posts are generally well thought out and reasonable, so naturally, I wasn't talking about you or anyone else who attempts to raise the level of discourse.
Velox - 10/7/2009, 3:46 PM
It's OK if they change a few things to modernize and make
it feel more real but to change The X-men's Iceman and
Angel to not being one of the First Class then you mess up
the whole timeline completely!

There was no reason to do it at all to make the movies better!
Angel should be the mature older Worthington, the same age
as Jean & Beast, and Iceman and Iceman should be the original Bobby in order to keep the timeline correct and for there to be a First Class movie.

Now the First Class will be 3 ppl, Jean, Scott and Beast.
That's not enough for there even to be a movie! Singer, Rat-turd and Jerkman have messed up the X-men timeline so bad it is just a train-wreck!
DDD - 10/7/2009, 3:55 PM
I really hate that Jackman and the producers of Origins
have screwed up the X-men so bad they are something else
entirely! And then he defends it! Bullsh*t! This is a total
travesty and I am right and I know it!

X-men are my favorite Marvel guys and they have screwed
with it so much it is unrecognizable as my beloved X-men! I
would love to run these guys over with a truck!
DDD - 10/7/2009, 4:03 PM
@DDD: A lot of times when making a big movie like X-Men, There are some unavoidables that pop up, like budgetary concerns, too many characters, etc. I'm just speculating, but I imagine that there was pressure, either self applied by Singer and the writers or from studio heads, to keep the number of main characters limited. So, the ones they excluded early on were the most potentially 'effects -laden'. If you have a young Ice Man that doesn't fully ice up, you've cut costs. If you exclude Beast and Angel, you've cut costs. We would have all like to have seen the Danger Room in the first film too, but that was a victim of their budget. So, three films later, we have what we have. It is it's OWN reality, separate from the comics, but for the most part the spirit and essence of the characters remained intact. But since 'X-Men' set the whole thing in motion, the timeline laid out by that film couldn't be ignored by the films that followed. THAT'S the shared fictional reality, not the one in the comics.
Velox - 10/7/2009, 4:10 PM
is flipping a bean like dittling my skittle?
Betty - 10/7/2009, 4:14 PM
@Velox, That's why it needs rebooting! If anything needs
rebooting it's the X-men!

I don't really think DD needs rebooting or FF needs
rebooting but X-men needs a restart to get it right!
They did stay true to the heart of X-men and I liked X-men 1 & 2 but if they make First Class then that's when all their changes start hitting the fan and everything is all off-kilter!

With the popularity of X-men now they should be able to
get a budget to make everything right in a reboot!
But I would only want a reboot if Marvel bought the
rights back and made it themselves.
DDD - 10/7/2009, 4:28 PM
@DDD

I agree with Velox. Also, you have to consider the fact that the X-men story arc is so complex. There 100s of intermingling plotlines and lots of different characters. It would be impossible to translate the comics directly to video. The fact is: the movie is just an adaptation of the comics. The producers tried their best to include as many elements from the comics that they could in the movies. Some worked, some didn't.

Besides, at least you still have your X-men comics to fall back on if you didn't really care for any of the movies.
Macksimus - 10/7/2009, 4:29 PM
@Velox: Very true. But that doesn't make it SUCK any less!!!

I didn't ask for someone's interpretation, I wanted stories of the comic heroes I grew up with up on the silver screen. Especially not watered down, PC, "spandex sucks" interpretations. Just my view on it.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/7/2009, 4:30 PM
These arguments will never be settled, because for some people the essence will never be enough and for some people, they barely care about that anyway as long as the characters all look as they do in the comic and make shit explode. I understand both sides and land somewhere in the middle, leaning towards seeing justice done to the characters regardless of interpretation. But thats just me. MPP, you may not have asked for it, but until you make your own movie, thats what your gonna be getting!
RorMachine - 10/7/2009, 4:39 PM
That's right Multi@! You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! There is no excuse or stupid interpretation! There was no reason to
screw with the original X-men for budget reasons!

They could have just mentioned Iceman and Angel in passing
for the first movie! They didn't have to be in the first
one but to screw with them and take them out of the
timeline is inexcusable! "I'm Mad As Hell And I Ain't
Gonna Take It Anymore"! No more stupid excuses for what
FUX, I mean FOX have done to our beloved Marvel characters!


DDD - 10/7/2009, 4:40 PM
@Poni: Well, unless you know how to bring back Jack Kirby you're always gonna get someones interpretation. That's what film always does; adapt something that someone wrote into something slightly (or hugely) different that works within the framework of it's medium. If it wasn't a novel first then it was at the very least a screenplay. And when the little Hollywood elves start tinkering with it, the miracle is that sometimes that tinkering actually results in a very good product. Most of the time though, it's mediocre at best, and I'm just grateful that we've actually had a few really good CBM's come out in the past decade. In fact, I bet the ratio of good ones to really sucky ones is higher among CBM's than it is for other movies in general.
Velox - 10/7/2009, 4:41 PM
Awww come on guys. Wolverine Origins was cool.

By the way, can anybody give me an answer better than that from yahoo answers, directing me to how I can read Wolverine's Japan saga? Is it a graphic novel all on its own or what


Fartman - 10/7/2009, 4:45 PM
Betty@ mmmmm feel the rainbow :P
teabag - 10/7/2009, 4:47 PM
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