Gavin Hood on Wolverine Not Being a Definitive Character

The director of X-Men Origins: Wolverine feels he couldn't find a definitive interpretation of Wolverine from the comic books.
During the production of X-Men Origins: wolverine, director Gavin Hood received a lot of backlash from fans on whether or not he'll create a correct interpretation of the characters involved in the film, mainly Wolverine as well as Gambit. He said:

"At the beginning, you read all the fan site and everyone is saying 'Man, I hope this guy screws up Gambit, because Gambit had red eyes and I hope he knows that Gambit has red eyes.' Another thing is those guys who love Wolverine in yellow spandex. The point is, what I realized when I read those comics, and I DID take it seriously, was that I couldn't find the definitive Logan."

This is understandable because over the years, the writers and artists involved with the Wolverine comic books have displayed their interpretation of the character so the same should go for the creative team in Hollywood when it comes time to create a film about the character...without going too far off the edge that is.



Hood said:

"We stayed true to his claws and his healing factor and his internal conflict. This is our interpretation, our take on Wolverine for now. And if, in five years time, someone else comes along and makes the version of him in a yellow spandex suit and it works, good for them. We're just trying to offer our version."

When the film leaked online several weeks before its theatrical premiere, it was devastating issue for hood.

"I felt like s**t. It was a huge shock. We make movies and put our work out and some people like it and some people don't. But we want to be done. You want to finish your work before you face the firing squad. So it was a huge shock. I felt very vulnerable."

Whispers68: I believe he has a point because as fans we would like the transition from comic book-to-film, to possess a severely smooth adaptation; certain things don't necessarily have to carry over because on paper its one thing but as a theatrical release...it simply doesn't fit. At times, we do have to give Hollywood a little room to be creative in trying to adapt some of our beloved comic books because not everything can transfer smoothly into our world without coming off as ridiculous. But some directors and members of the creative team can go off the deep end and simply massacre everything we know and love. Generally speaking, Hood has a point with this Wolverine matter.
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10/11/2009
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119 Comments

Ummm. . why would the studio get a director that considers Wolverine an undefinable character? Sounds like the usual 'pass the buck' BS
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 9:34 AM
He's not saying anything we all don't already know. But it sounds like he's trying to come up with excuses for making a move that SHOULD have been so much better.
Bamf7 - 10/11/2009, 9:36 AM
Just goes to show how great fox is at picking directors
tyko450 - 10/11/2009, 9:57 AM
Wolverine is and will always be just ONE of the X-Men.. As cool as he may be lol :-P
Imran - 10/11/2009, 10:07 AM
I still say Zack Snyder MUST direct Wolverine 2!
Ozymandias - 10/11/2009, 10:38 AM
I just for once want to see Wolverine in his costume, whichever one they go with. The mask is a part of his identity.
gtrman - 10/11/2009, 10:43 AM
[frick] zack snyder.
CaptainAmerica - 10/11/2009, 10:45 AM
I'm probably the biggest advocate for how "X-Men: Origins: Wolverine" was lower than expectations...I still haven't been able to have a second view of the film and chances are I never will. But most individuals I've heard when it comes to a dismay about Wolverine's interpretation on film over the years has mainly been his lack of dawning the spandex outfit and the placement of his adamantium claws. The claws are understandable but the spandex outfit to me is perhaps something that won't transition properly on film.
Whispers68 - 10/11/2009, 10:52 AM
"We stayed true to his claws and his healing factor and his internal conflict. This is our interpretation, our take on Wolverine for now. And if, in five years time, someone else comes along and makes the version of him in a yellow spandex suit and it works, good for them. We're just trying to offer our version."

Once again Hollywood fails and doesn't stick to the source material. Then they wonder why the movie fails at the box office and then we get 50 million reboots. 1 word FAIL.
DegenX - 10/11/2009, 10:53 AM
It has always been my view that costumes give the hero a purpose and a larger than life personality. Like police officer’s firefighters, or soldiers, the professional attire of a person has always been what gives that person character, and defines how they stand out from the normal everyday citizens. The situation, no matter how fantastic or vibrant the story may be is no different for comic book heroes in movies. Each character is still defined by his/her costume and powers. Wolverine is not different. So far we have seen wolverine in various x-men films and his own spin-off, but still we have only seen him in his infant stage. Wolverine’s true persona is built within the mask and costume. It’s the costume that gives him the ability to let loose and leave his personal feelings aside and get the job done. After all he is the best at what he does. I think directors like Gavin Hood and writers for the X-men have honestly missed this factor. Instead of taking in the account character’s like Spider-man are succesfull so much mainly because it’s his costume that gives the character power, and purpose. Peter Parker could never wall crawl around if it wasn’t for his spidey outfit. Why should this be any different for Wolverine.
StrangemannX09 - 10/11/2009, 10:57 AM
Great article. Wolverine needed to be a better movie anyway, without even brining in the liberties they took with the source material, but I do see his point. The costume thing for that particular movie is moot though, after all, he didn't wear it until he joined the X Men anyway so why would he wear it in his origin movie?
RorMachine - 10/11/2009, 11:04 AM
@Ror: Actually, Wolvie wore a costume WAY before he joined the X-Men (Team X, Department K and Alpha Flight)
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 11:09 AM
Yeah but those teams didn't make an appearance in the movie! Now whether they should have or not is obviously a totally different debate, but for the movie they made, a costume was not necessary.
RorMachine - 10/11/2009, 11:12 AM
The costume we know from the comic book can be represented eventually but not in the same spandex sorta material. With the material used for the "Spiderman" film possesseing the appeal of a harder, more sturdy and not so spandex-like...I wouldn't have a problem if this were the case for wolverine's costume. I actually would love to eventually see the costume brought to life but definitely not in a simply spandex form. what was done to the Batman costume is a great example because a lot of people complained when they first heard of "Batman Begins" interpretation of the costume but it turned out awesome, as did the one in "The Dark Knight."
Whispers68 - 10/11/2009, 11:13 AM
@Ror: Team X wasn't in W:O?
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 11:18 AM
F**k the damn costume issue, my point has been for years is that that both Marvel and D.C must have the right to approve the script for any movie based on their characters period. If this simple idea was used we wouldn't get stuck with half assed movies, and all these f**king reboots. What the f**k is so difficult to get this done, it's common sense which in hollywood isn't a spoken language. Wolverine should have been Marvel's Dark Knight and could have been, God knows there's a wealth of material to choose from.
ASSASSIN666 - 10/11/2009, 11:21 AM
@ASSASSIN: That idea makes so much sense I'm surprised it didn't crash the CBM server ;)
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 11:27 AM
@ multipurposeponi

I knew from what took place in the original X-Men series, what I heard during pre-production and after the first official trailer that this film would be NO TDK. Not that it couldn't have been but I expected nothing more than an hour-and-a-half of disappointment. We don't have to accept the crappiness they release in Hollywood but we also shouldn't expect too much creativity to take place when it comes to source material.
Whispers68 - 10/11/2009, 11:31 AM
@Whispers: Trust me, I don't expect much. I'm just tired of them creating movies that sh*t on my childhood memories. It's easier for the young generation to see it as canon since they don't know any better, but for me it's just bad storytelling.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 11:43 AM
This guy is trying to manipulate us, with excuses, nobady is piss of and complaining bcause he didnt use his yellow spandex, the prblem was:
-terrible script and a lot of cliche
-wolverine was more a superman than wolverine, he and sabertooth got pierced several times and shooted from a 100 hours squad and survived, i know about his heal power, but common,that s too much exagerated, they also felt from that high building, and looks like wolv didnt even broke his leg or something
-the first fight scene with agent 0 jumping over the gage reminded me mortal kombat, to see how awful it was
-then they repeated that again, when agente 0 jumps into the helicopter
-than finnaly we that final scene with creed, logan and wade, that part just messed all the movie
what i liked
-showing saber and wolv fighting all those wars
-the chasing scene with wolverine riding that bike
-inclusion of Gambit
-cyclops at the end of the movie finnaly proves that he is capable of leading a team and the possible sequel of first class, with cyclops as the leader
The movie was disillusionment for the fans, but i still bought it , please no more Gavin Hood.
brazilianbatman - 10/11/2009, 11:43 AM
in other words he did not know what he was doing
SHHH - 10/11/2009, 11:48 AM
@ multipurpose

Dude, the first time i saw the trailer, i can't recall what movie it was...but it nearly ruined the film because i sat there in silence for maybe five minutes as everyone asked what was wrong. the entire editing was just horrid. I didn't understand why the story allowed so many frailties to occur that didn't exist in the comic book.

It was truly a tragedy to see everything you've read over the years, video-games played from your childhood and other items transition in such a way onto film. So I'm there with you...I know what having memories shattered feels like. "Dragonball Evolution," "Batman & Robin," "Elektra," "Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li." I can continue this horrific list but you get the point
Whispers68 - 10/11/2009, 11:53 AM
@Whispers: I get it bro. Until there's a director that cares about the Wolverine character like JFav cares about Iron Man we'll never see a solid adaption.

This would be my (simplified) idea for a Wolvie Origins script -

First Act: Logan leaves the plantation he grew up in and lives in the wilderness until the Blackfoot Indians take him in. They help re-civilize him and he meets Silver Fox. After she is mysterious butchered, he signs up for the Canadian Military.

Second Act: Logan finds himself stationed in Japan, then recalled by the military for the invasion of Normandy. He briefly meets Captain America, helps save his life and is offered a position with the US government. He meets Sabertooth, Maverick, Mastodon and Kestrel in the CIA's Team X. We see the training and brainwashing TEAM X goes through. Logan is on a Team X mission when his healing factor starts fighting at his memory implants. Team X is ordered to eliminate him at the end of the mission. He escapes and turns to the Canadian Defense Ministry for work.

Third Act: Immediately after he is hired, he is kidnapped by Weapon X (which was a secret part of Department K). We see the adamantium forcibly fused to his skeleton. Introduce Nathan Essex, Doctor Thorton, Lord Dark Wind and others involved with the program, with a cameo of a younger Nick Fury representing Weapon Plus. Weapon X wipes his mind completely and tries to insert their own memory program that would leave him primal and savage for more tests. The operation backfires and Logan breaks free in full breserker rage. Fights his way out of the facility, and hides deep in the woods.

The movie ends with James and Heather Hudson finding Logan and taking him home with them; meanwhile, at Weapon X, the scientists are trying to salvage as much as possible after Logan's escape. Nathan Essex is talking to the Director, explaining that enough of Logan's DNA was salvaged to mass produce embryos. The Director is outraged and attempts to grab Essex. Essex relinquishes his disguise and show's his true form: Mr. Sinister, killing the Director in the process.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 12:01 PM
I don't think there is any excuse for the mess the Wolverine movie was, except maybe that the studio made an R rating impossible.

Of course there is too much scource material to adapt all of it into one script. But then please decide carefully what you want to keep and what you want to leave out and don't just take some vital parts and add random shit to it.

And if you are forced by some higher power to be creative and do something new, please use this freedom to try to make a good movie that makes any sense. I can't imagine it's that hard to avoid things in the script that make the characters look like they're a bunch of [frick]ing idiots.

And if what you're supposed to be doing happens to be a mindless action flick at least make sure you are capable of producing decent special effects. Please...!?

And it's not like they only had the comics to show them what this movie should have been, X-Men 2 even provided them with an exact blueprint of Wolverine's origin in the freakin' movie universe.

"We stayed true to his claws and his healing factor and his internal conflict." His claws looked like shit and to both claws and healing factor I can only say: NO BLOOD! And his internal conflict, yeah, well...


I'm sorry for Hugh, Liev and to some extent Gavin, but this movie seriously pissed me off...
Kyos - 10/11/2009, 12:04 PM
Multi- Damn straight!!!
ASSASSIN666 - 10/11/2009, 12:11 PM
Is it so hard for these studios and directors to understand how EVERYTHING in the Marvel ties together, for example:

- Captain America's shield was made of vibranium. When scientists try to reverse engineer it they create adamantium.

- Captain America was a subject in the Super Soldier Program, which was a derivative of Weapons Plus, which was the umbrella program for Weapon X

When they leave canon out of these movies, all they are doing is shortchanging the possible sequels and spin offs.

I don't even want to get into the major errors in W:O that cannot be overcome.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 12:14 PM
i haven't seen this movie yet. people say this is one of the worst marvel movies since ang lee's hulk. neil blocamp shud of made this film, but we got a greater movie... district 9
kyle dalton - 10/11/2009, 12:17 PM
I'm sure now the studeios have realized that sometimes more doesn't mean better. You don't have to add all these different types of characters. You don't need to have a childish feel to keep it PG 13. Also get someone actually interested in the project instead of someone just makig the movie for buck.
StrangemannX09 - 10/11/2009, 12:27 PM
Kyle- If you leave your expectations at the door and watch Wolverine it's a solid movie. If you're expecting the wolverine from the comic or the animated series, or Wolverine and the X-Men animated series you'll be let down. I will always love Jackman's Logan and will watch every thing he ever does as Logan. That being said, it's sad when a cartoon gets it right and a big budget movie doesn't, only my opinion.
ASSASSIN666 - 10/11/2009, 12:32 PM
WHISPERS @ I'm with you and agree on what you said,

SN'ORIGINS truly was a TRAGEDY!!!

They bent that movie over so many times i lost count! : D

Theres a reason it got voted worst movie of 2009 by everyone here at CBM!!!

Anyway [frick] HOOD! : D

Hopefully we'll get a REAL WOLVERINE in 2!!!




LEEE777 - 10/11/2009, 12:35 PM
@Multi For fox news making a movie is equivalent to a 2 yr old trying to get a capri straw in the pouch its so Effing difficult it you gotta stab it just right then u get mad and step all over it cuz u cant figure it out.(fox lacks depth perception)

@ lee. I want a new director in wolverine 2 I wanna see someone who loves wolverine grew up with wolverine take care of it and nurture it OR at least have a director with a nerdy son stand over him every step of the way making sure that its right hahah
Set2Fallfirst - 10/11/2009, 12:39 PM
Side note i think marvel being bought out by disney is A MILLION TIMES BETTER than fox buying a huge chunk of marvel properties hell they could make xmen like kingdom hearts and itd still be better than anything fox puts out wanna know why cuz any way u slice it disney and marvel give u SUBSTANCE, PLOT, DEVELOPMENT, FEELING they have a CONNECTION with their characters....fing A .......
Set2Fallfirst - 10/11/2009, 12:42 PM
O iforgot

Yea i went there
Set2Fallfirst - 10/11/2009, 12:49 PM
@Set2Fall: LOL I'm going to have to steal that 'capri straw' line bro, it's too good
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 1:24 PM
@assassin666

"That being said, it's sad when a cartoon gets it right and a big budget movie doesn't, only my opinion."

You couldn't have said this any better. "Wolverine and the X-Men" to me was an awesome cartoon series recently released. Why is it that the representation is so much more related to the comic book but when they create a theatrical film release, they say the things can't be done? I can understand getting an exact replica of Logan (height, weight, good acting ability, etc) but Logan is as ruthless as they come and yet he seems to be watered done more and more. TDK wasn't Rated R, but the film was such an adult oriented joyride, it possessed the elements of a Rated R flick. Bruce Wayne is by far not as ruthless as Wolverine, why did he in comparison seem PG compared to "The Dark Knight?" why couldn't the film be more represented on par with what was envisioned in other mediums.
Whispers68 - 10/11/2009, 1:31 PM
Whispers68- Wolverine has always been my favorite since he first came out against the Hulk. I've come to the realization that in 2009 Wolverine has become an icon to fans both young, and adult. I have no choice to accept it, it's not like he's a real person that I can yell sell out to. Bottom line is at the very least they could have shown some damn blood on his claws when he kills someone, or film a f**king directors cut that's unrated for the grown ups. The last Die Hard movie came out as PG-13 and suffered for it, but when released on video there was an unrated cut of the film. I have nothing against kids, but not every movie from Marvel should be geared towards them especially Wolverine.
ASSASSIN666 - 10/11/2009, 1:46 PM
@ multipurpose

kudos to your thoughts of how the film should've been handled, but i can bet the studios would say to you

Opening act: it makes more sense to build a relationship earlier on with Sabretooth, therefore solidifying their extensive and long relationship. When we revisit them later on, you already have an understanding as to why the relationship is how its represented presently. To bring in Silver Fox so earlier on in the film is not the direction we were looking for. Is Logan and Creed brothers? Of course not but can't we define them as brothers in the film? Makes sense to us

Second Act: Japan is a scene represented too early on in the film series so the idea had to be scratched. Captain America's character hasn't been released theatrically and would have a clash with the ongoing casting for his future release.

Third Act: The program makes more sense with Logan coming willingly in accepting the adamantium because it would show how upset and determined he was in capturing Victor. If we were to have him follow the path featured in comic books where he was forced against his will, that would have us in a position where we would actually care about the source material...why would we want to be known as such?

So pretty much, everything makes sense if we view films without any of our senses. Sucks but I've come to realize if ten films are released each year that involve comic books, the ratio leaves it where only two are "good."
Whispers68 - 10/11/2009, 1:50 PM
@ASSASSIN: Regarding W:O, it's sad when my 5 year old daughter thinks a movie like that is boring. Especially since she loves Iron Man and TIH. She's ALL ABOUT superheroes :)

On a side note, 'll never forgive Hood and his minions for defaming my favorite Marvel character: Maverick

@Whispers: Forgive me for making sense :( Feel free to beat me with a garden hose until I like what the studios force feed me
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 1:54 PM
@ assassin666

That's very true and I've always asked this myself. Why are films always supposed to cater to the younger generation when in actuality, the original source hasn't been one to be as such? I understand we should bring a much wider audience for the sake of box office dollars but we can also cater a bit more to the older crowd for the sake of art. For example, there are animated cartoons being released where the jokes being told simply go over the head of the younger audience because the only ones who seem to laugh are the adults in the theater. The cartoons are becoming more adult oriented when it comes to humor...why is that real adult oriented material seems to become less and less "adult" oriented?

So I'm with you 100% on this matter all the way.
Whispers68 - 10/11/2009, 1:55 PM
It wasnt a terrible movie but I think that there could be a much better Wolverine movie regardless of the costume (which sadly just wouldnt work on the big screen in all honesty)

Its fair enough that they need to take liberties with the character as not everything in a comic book would work in a movie but some of the stuff in Origins was ridiculous (Magic Bullet!?!) - they should have actually taken more from the original Weapn X storyline than trying so hard to tie the movie in with the crappy X-1 and X-2!
JoshW - 10/11/2009, 1:55 PM
Multi, Whispers, joshw- I have said this in numerous other posts that we're not always going to get a Nolan, or a Favreau to take care of us. I really wish that Marvel and D.C would just assign someone to every superhero related movie to get them right the first time. It might have been a great movie if Gavin had an expert from Marvel telling him what wasn't right about the material or the character.
ASSASSIN666 - 10/11/2009, 2:10 PM
@multi haha its cool man have at it
Set2Fallfirst - 10/11/2009, 2:11 PM
@josh your right wtf to the magic bullet that will some how get to the center of the brain that controls memories and wont hear afterwards that was the like the throwing of the S in superman..........Effing A.
Set2Fallfirst - 10/11/2009, 2:13 PM
YELLOW SPANDEX?...ANY AVERAGE JOE AND FANBOY KNOWS, IF YOU PUT YELLOW SPADEX ON FILM THERES TROUBLE...THATS WHY YOU GO FOR LEATHER OR SOMETHING RUGGED, WOLVERINE IS A SCRAPPER, IN LIVE ACTION, YOU DONT HAVE TO STICK SPANDEX ON ANY SUPERHERO, YOU DO WHAT WORKS BUT STILL STAY TRUE TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL..AS COOL AS JACKMAN LOOKS IN A WIFE BEATER AND JEANS, MAYBE TRY OUT MAYBE THE STURDY PANTS, STEELE TOE BOOTS AND SLEEVELESS TOP, YET KEEP THE MASK IN EXACT DETAIL AS THE BOOKS, WOLVERINE HAS THE ICONIC LOOK THAT GENERATIONS KNOW, BRIAN SINGER KILLED THE MASK, CREATING HEROES WITH EXPOSED IDENTITIES ON FILM..I GET THAT, THATS COOL, BUT BRIAN SINGER HAS FLOWN THE COOP, NEW DIRECTOR, NEW DIRECTION-WHY FOLLOW SUIT?WHY BE A SLAVE TO A RULE THAT WAS SET BY THE ONE BEFORE YOU? BE FREAKING ORIGINAL.RULES AND ROUTINES ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN SO AS TO SET YOU APART FROM THE PACK-SPANDEX? YOU HAVE TO BE A RETARD TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT IN LIVE FORMAT, YOU DO WHAT WILL WORK, NOT FOLLOW WHAT YOU THINK HAS TO BE.THE NEXT FILM MERITS THE USE OF HIS COSTUME, AT LEAST THE BROWN ONE, HE'S FACING NINJAS WITH MASKS-SAMURAI-WITH A MASK..THIS ISSUES A GO AHEAD-ASSASINS WITH A SECRETIVE CODE MIGHT INFLUENCE ACTIONS TO HIT BACK WITH A MASK THE SAME WAY..I SAY BRING THE DAMN COSTUME, BUT DONT BE A RETARD AND BE A SLAVE TO SPANDEX,ARE YOU KIDDING ME.? YOUR NOT THAT NARROW MINDED, YOUR A DIRECTOR, DO WHAT WORKS.
GUNSMITH - 10/11/2009, 2:14 PM
And this is how pathetic fox has gotten with their movies
Set2Fallfirst - 10/11/2009, 2:18 PM
@multipurpose

Dude, you're totally forgiven. sometimes watching these films I have to catch myself where I realize I'm watching a film depicted by a place where it's okay to make he most ruthless female assassin ever, seem like Mrs. Betty Crocker...yes, the assassin I speak of is Elektra. Or a studio who felt Mr. Freeze was an ex-bodybuilder who shouts one liners...or a studio who says it's okay to have a back story about Bruce Banner's father
Whispers68 - 10/11/2009, 2:26 PM
@GUN: I said this in the Singer post, just in case you didn't see it:

Why does it have to be yellow spandex? Wolvie has had a bunch of costumes over the years - brown/tan, yellow, X-Force, black, Astonishing, feral, they couldn't pick one?

And I don't want to hear people saying that the X-Men movies reflected Grant Morrison's take on X-Men because the movie came out before the comic. Morrison based his characters on the movie versions (he even made Logan look more like Jackman and put him in a wife-beater). If you don't believe me go check Marvel.com

I don't think fans that want to see Wolvie in costume really care about the fabric it's made out of. We're referring to the iconic look and pattern of the costume.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 2:28 PM
WELL PUT MULTI!
GUNSMITH - 10/11/2009, 2:30 PM
how about a decent story and plot
SHHH - 10/11/2009, 2:40 PM
WOLVERINE HAS A HEALING FACTOR AND UNBREAKABLE BONES, THIS GIVES HIM A MINDSET OF RECKLESS ABANDON, THE I DON'T GIVE A DAMN BECAUSE IM ALLOWED TO NOT GIVE A DAMN BECAUSE THE REGULAR RULES DON'T APPLY ANYMORE, IM NOT GONNA NEED A BANDAID ATTITUDE, IF YOU HAVE THAT AND THE COSTUME DONE RIGHT, YOU'LL GET FANPRAISE NO DOUBT.
GUNSMITH - 10/11/2009, 2:41 PM
these directors and producers will always change to what they like. they are like dogs pissing on comic books leaving thier mark.
SHHH - 10/11/2009, 2:52 PM
i bet we could come up with a definitive wolverine
KillerOfSaints - 10/11/2009, 3:07 PM
I believe Wolverine did start out in yellow tights before he joined the x-men. Did he not appear in the 170's of the Hulk comic. He was in his yellow tights and not part of the X-men as I remembered. But I did think Gavin Hood did an excellent job with Deadpool. It was spot on!
Number21 - 10/11/2009, 3:28 PM
It didn't have to be yellow spandex. It could have been frank millar runs mainly brown suit. It's easy to say it would look stupid but did they even try? If they can make te ninja turtles look passable in the 90s and they have wolverine wear a wife beater for 4 movies in a row, well somethings wrong. It's not the first comic book movie anymore we can do costumes now.
Nate Grey - 10/11/2009, 3:29 PM
It's like taking caps costume. That's a recurring nightmare I have. The First Avenger: Captain America comes out and it's just some dude. Holding a shield. Then Thor is released and it's a guy holding a hammer.
Nate Grey - 10/11/2009, 3:33 PM
i wish i was a big director so i could make these movies right, first off i completely agree with hood on the fact that blue and yellow spandex would not work in a wolverine movie, HOWEVER that does not mean the costumes should be done away with. all other comic book movies have used costumes simply because it is a part of the hero's identity ,they would never put superman or batman in jeans and a wife beater, wolverine always wears a wifebeater, jeans and leather jacket during his downtime but when the s#$t hits the fan he ALWAYS pulls on the mask, and i think the mask would be ultra sick. they need the give him a costume the looks like the one from x-men evolution, and use the same dark burnt orange and black that you see on his jacket in the picture in this article
userc - 10/11/2009, 3:56 PM
THE DAREDEVIL MOVIE, BIG WIGS SUGGESTED AT THE EARLY STAGES THAT MAYBE HE SHOULD JUST BE A GUY WITH A LEATHER JACKET.
GUNSMITH - 10/11/2009, 3:59 PM
@KillerofSaints: You're damn right we could! After five days of back and forth arguing (and a sh*t load of boob pics) I'm sure the CBM community could iron out a definitive Wolverine origin for that clueless studio.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 5:16 PM
I love how this failure says "Spandex" as if thats the only option. It worked in WatchMen to have suits. Look W:O the movie sucked . ... and it wasnt because of the lack of costumes.... although it really twisted my panties when Logans clothes seem to have the same Healing Factor as he did. The Helicopter scene in particular. I still havent been able to sit through the whole thing. I have however been able to sit through Ang Lee's Hulk on more than 3 occasions. Hood is a Chode!
shibazz - 10/11/2009, 6:13 PM
I'm having deja vu. . .
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 6:30 PM
I feel that it's time to post these, as they are relevant to the subject at hand.



MovieTheaterLad - 10/11/2009, 6:42 PM
Multi-I love you man!brown & tan wolvie should be!
FORTAPACHE - 10/11/2009, 6:53 PM
@FORT: =D Dude, if I can make a half decent superhero costume at home, these assbadgers shouldn't have a problem
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 6:56 PM
LOL!I hear ya man!they should just do a "daredevil", throw on the cowl, cool as!
FORTAPACHE - 10/11/2009, 7:08 PM
bloody pussy on my keyboard again!!!
FORTAPACHE - 10/11/2009, 7:10 PM
Look I'm not comic book smart enough to know if Wolverine ever befreinded a farmer that found him buck naked in a barn. But I do know this, if it did ever happen then it was one hell of a shit comic that it happened in.

It does not in my opinion take a genius to realise that the said plotline does nothing for Wolverine and the badass reputation which made the character what it is today.

Also this happens straight after Weapon X bond his skeleton. If there is a time in which this plotline particularly does not belong then that would be it! I cannot imagine it is possible to [frick] up Wolverines personality in more spectacular fashion short of having Wolverine dress up as mickey mouse and play hopscotch with Batman and Luke Skywalker.

Acerimmer1 - 10/11/2009, 7:19 PM
I think the problem is that the comic books have gone through so many issues some of the ideas are just the chaff that they didn't use first time around, because they've already done everything else. The movie makers just need to put the good stuff on screen instead of the chaff.
Acerimmer1 - 10/11/2009, 7:27 PM
Fox should have chosen Len Wiseman(Die Hard 4.0, Underworld:Evolution). I think he can do a much more better job.
mattMardock - 10/11/2009, 8:17 PM
LMAO@ Shibazz... lol Im sorry bra I just never heard anyone called a choad before. That's a scream LOL!!
DarthMulder - 10/11/2009, 8:40 PM
@DM- s'all good ! i will be here all night.... not really, but Mr. Kryptonite Island has that affect on me. By the way is that the correct spelling "Choad" .... if so i like that much better. Oh and if that JackAzz was so hot on recasting Chris Reeves..... then why the "F" not re-cast Lois to actually look like Margo Kitter as well!?! I was just watching a movie and the female lead looked dead on like Margo .
shibazz - 10/11/2009, 9:32 PM
Ha! wrong idiot director..... swap this for the next and all will be right as rain.
shibazz - 10/11/2009, 9:36 PM
Hood directed Wusserine:Snorigins..... need i say more?He did to wolvie what no baddy could ever do... made him look like a lil' Beeyotch!
shibazz - 10/11/2009, 9:51 PM
MovieTheaterLad-- I really like Brave + Bold cartoon.

shibazz-- What IS a choad, anyway? Is it like a scrote?

Multi + FORTAPACHE-- Hell yeah, brown and tan! I like the "dark"erine too, black and grey but in the brown and tan style.
Betty - 10/11/2009, 10:04 PM
@Betty: The 'Choad' is the fleshy patch of skin between your balls and you ass.

See kids? You learn something new everyday.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/11/2009, 10:32 PM
It thought that was the Tain't. Or lesser known name of Twasn't or The French pronunciation The Tweren't.
Cook - 10/11/2009, 11:22 PM
Gee thanx Multi@! That's something I could go without
learning for a lifetime! Thanx so much for sharing with the
class! :( :D :D :D
DDD - 10/12/2009, 1:20 AM
Gavin should put a HOOD over his head in shame! Or better yet we should put a hood over HIS head right before
we lynch his ass!!!!
DDD - 10/12/2009, 1:22 AM
Ok i know this is a little late but your telling me this is what you want to see for wolverine?
Photobucket

quick photoshop rendering of what im glad i never saw in wolvering...just don luk right
TheLivingWeapon - 10/12/2009, 3:10 AM
ok maybe im starting to like it lol stil not sure bout the mask...can anyone do a better photoshop of jackman with the mask: xforce or otherwise? please cuz im crap at photoshop

TheLivingWeapon - 10/12/2009, 3:19 AM
Nah wolverine doesnt need a mask in fact none of the x-men do because they dont have secret identities.
breakUbatman - 10/12/2009, 3:34 AM
@breakUbatman- good im not a fan of the mask being in the films

maybe just give him a better suit then?

TheLivingWeapon - 10/12/2009, 3:43 AM
it is really a sadly primitive view of the comic book as art form and literature for gavin hood to read spottily all over the various logan/wolverine arcs and claim that the character is inconsistent, incoherent or inscrutible in some large way. really, it seems as if he simply wanted to sidestep the burden of really taking responsibility for the character by working with the evolution of the character across logan's/wolverine's fictional narrative arcs and the pressures put on the arcs by the passage of real time. logan is a character that can be pinned down, i think...the trouble is that at no point was the character ever as one-dimensionally heroic and flatly good and straightforward as hood needed to make him in order to milk half-a-billion dollars from the zombies in mainstream markets who have no serious exposure to logan/wolverine. i get it, in order to get the funding to big a full scale action-adventure movie...it can't be for a niche market of comic book nerds such as myself and all you posters. that said, i wish hood would just admit as much instead of trying to play low-ball logic tricks to court approval from the niche market.
inlovewiththeregencyelf - 10/12/2009, 5:44 AM
TheLivingWeapon-- Aw, he looks special.

Anyone else love the teaser image of Hood brandishing his Oscar. It looks like he's saying, "I am lord of the Oscar!"
Betty - 10/12/2009, 5:54 AM
ummm, i would have to say that the difinitive wolvie, that everyone knows and loves is the cigar smoking, beserker wolverine, trying to get a hold of his wild side. no one ever knows when he's going to start "seeing red" and slashing at anything that moves, friend of foe. at least thats MY wolvie. the way he is in the comics nowadays is a joke of what he used to be.
CorndogBurglar - 10/12/2009, 6:27 AM
CD@ hell yeah...the difinitive Wolverine is easy to find...just read Uncanny X-Men 133 :P
teabag - 10/12/2009, 6:43 AM
tea-I now need to buy sundown on dvd lol!Cheers man!;)
FORTAPACHE - 10/12/2009, 6:47 AM
Forte@ hell yeah ..did you check it out? :)
teabag - 10/12/2009, 7:08 AM
I googled it mate but haven't seen it yet, looking forward to it tho!
FORTAPACHE - 10/12/2009, 7:17 AM
Forte@ good man....its a guilty pleasure..lol :P
teabag - 10/12/2009, 7:41 AM
I love cheesy stuff from the 80s anyway, remember Manimal lol!;)
FORTAPACHE - 10/12/2009, 7:49 AM
Forte@ Hell yeah..Manimal was awesome....










Remember Automan....






:P
teabag - 10/12/2009, 8:02 AM
YEAH!my mate looks like him, though no matter how much he tries he still can't drive a car that fast at a 90 degree angle!
FORTAPACHE - 10/12/2009, 8:20 AM
@ Corndogburgler: I used to think I knew Wolverine too.

And then came the '90's.

During the '90's he morphed from the Wolverine I knew into something else.

Annnnnd I happen to know also that the Wolverine of the 1970's was also somewhat different.

So I guess what I am saying is that whether or not Hood is just making excuses for having made a cruddy movie, his point is valid.

Who us the definitive Wolverine really? In the '70's he was an extremely minor character. A hot head and a redneck that went around getting his ass kicked all the time because he contantly over estimates himself. But in a Marvel U populated with Silver Surfers and Thors, he's really nothing.

In the '80's Sino philia was all the rage. The entire Western world was suddenly in love with the mystique of Japan and China and it's "secret" fighting arts. You could buy fake Ninja weapons from magazines and impress your friends with the wicked new moves you learned at the corner "Krotty" mcdojo. Movie tough guys like Lee Van Cleef and Chuck Norris were sporting fancy moves and archaic oriental weapons on tv every night and the Mr. T cartoon regularly featured Ninjer bad guys.
So Frank Miller and a couple of wise guys at Marvel decided to use that mega trend to help sell comics. They retconned in fabricated super Ninja and Samurai backgrounds into certain characters and stories and then BAM! the were suddenly relevant and popular in a way they may have never been before.

Wolverine had been morphed from a narcisisstic redneck a - hole into a slick figthing super Ninja that could cut anything and survive anything. A man witht he soul of a Samurai. A true warrior who was willing to die for what he believed in or to protect his friends. His lack of super strength or energy powers and occassional reliance on hand to hand made him a little guy like DD or Shang Chi so he was popular withat people that liked them. But his unbreakable bones and claws that could cut anything made him a big timer like Thor or Iron Man. If he could get close, he COULD play with the big boys. So his popularity just sky rocketed in just a few years. And by 1990 people were saying tha little old Wolvie was "as popular as Superman"

So by the 90's Marvel had a mega hit on their hands. A massive selling point that Marvel needed to exploit to stay afloat. And exploit it they did. After a while it seemed like you couldn't even sell a comic that didn't have Wolverine in it. The western obsession with Martial Arts began to fade and with it, that aspect of certain comic book characters. And that's where Fox Kids comes in and, I suspect most of you. It was hard for a comic book writer to come up with stories depicting the exploits of a character who had this wild side.. this berzerker thing, and yet because of "The Japan Story" was also torn by a burdonsome sense of honor and duty. So Wolverine began to change. His extremely disciplined martial arts background was swept out of the picture, and what we were left with was the Woverine that Corndogburgler described.

Gone were the Samurai values and Ninja skills and then there was just the guy, his mysterious background and his powers. So then they started to morph that into soemthing that would be easier to grasp by the younger generation.
T
hey nerfed the character by making the healing factor many times better than it orignally was and then made comic after comic of Wolverine getting shot thousands of times, blown up, burnt up, tore up and ripped up all the time just because he could survive it. It was like Joy Dvision's song "Attrocity Exhibition" where we al just read to see what Wolverine will almost die of this week... yawn.

EVEN ADAMANTIUM which had been a standard for Marvel storytelling for two decades got messed up and nerfed up after that. In the past an object made of admantium, was totally indestrictible. But during the '90's when marvel writers had began to feel that their Wolverine cash cow was running out of gas in terms of stories to tell and so they had the uber stupid Fatal Attractions where we are suddenly supposed to believe that just becaus admantium has iron in it, Magneto can just rip it out as easy as if it were mercury.

So all the sudden Wolverine's claws are natural bone. never mind the fact that the claws looked like honed swords, and not like knotty bones. Never mind the fact that 20 years worth of annoying comic expository thought bubbles and soliloquys have stated and restated huhdreds of times tha the claws were IMPLANTED. That the tale tell SNIKT sound was the electronics in his arms working. So in one fell swoop they retconned and nerfed adamantium, the origin of the claws, AND Magneto's power. Nice. lol

Only a few people thought it was stupid, the whole bone claw era. Most gobbled it right up. I was with the former camp and the end of my collection of Wolverine comics bears up that truth. So at that point the last little shred of the Wolverine of my childhood dissappeared.
And then later you had New X Men with a tall Jackman like Wolverine with no hair points. And Ultiamate Wolverine, which I never bothered to read.

And each different fan has a favorite. That is Hood's point and it's a good one. it's not an excuse for a crappy movie but he's still right. There truly is no definitive Wolverine.



DarthMulder - 10/12/2009, 8:33 AM
@ mulder

i see your point, but at the same time, the word difinitive is kind of left to a person's experience with whatever character your talking about. for a lot of people, the definitive batman, is the gothic batman. although, there are also plenty of people that feel the more lighthearted, detective is the definitive batman. i guess it really depends on what you grew up with.

on a side note, did you know that wolverine's original origin was that he was an actual wolverine that was genetically altered by the High Evolutionary to take the form of a man??? lol
CorndogBurglar - 10/12/2009, 8:45 AM
LIVING WEAPON=HMMM NO. BUT IT CAN BE WAY BETTER.I DARE EVERYONE WITH PHOTOSHOP TO TRY AND TOP THE OTHER..HECK MAKE A ARTICLE =PHOTOSHOP MASTER..DRESS UP AN ACTOR IN FULL COSTUME AND MASKED GLORY..
GUNSMITH - 10/12/2009, 8:45 AM
CD@ yeah that always cracks me up..lol
teabag - 10/12/2009, 8:47 AM
spot on darth!there's a huge leap from len wein's creation to chris claremont and frank miller's interpretation!i also like the joy division input!;)
FORTAPACHE - 10/12/2009, 8:49 AM

MultiPurposePoni - 10/12/2009, 8:56 AM
@ CDB lol I didn't know that until I read it in a book a couple of years ago. That is funny. If they had went with that original origin, Wolverine probably wouldn't have become the mega star he is today.

haha he would have ended up running with the Savage Land Mutates and all that bunch lol

@ Fortapache: Thanks. Kudos for understanding the reference. Joy Division is one of my favorite bands.
DarthMulder - 10/12/2009, 8:59 AM
I just spat out coffee with laughter!thanks very much Multi!!
FORTAPACHE - 10/12/2009, 9:00 AM
my band have just done a cover of Days Of The Lords so loving them too!
FORTAPACHE - 10/12/2009, 9:01 AM
@Fort: Then I served my purpose today :)
MultiPurposePoni - 10/12/2009, 9:01 AM
LOL!Cheers Multi!;)
FORTAPACHE - 10/12/2009, 9:10 AM
I understand his point. It would difficult to find a definitive interpretation of Wolverine; he's just too dynamic; the comics have pushed and pulled his character's personality/traits back and forth in so many directions, it would be hard to find a definitive interpretation of him.


Macksimus - 10/12/2009, 12:51 PM
@MultiPP- Holy Crap that was Funny!!! Body Massage!
shibazz - 10/12/2009, 2:42 PM
body massage man go!

Het shibazz, you put up some cartoon of some hilarious unicorns once. Do you remember what that was called?
Betty - 10/12/2009, 4:03 PM
DarthMulder-- Nice! Dude, you should have written an article.
Betty - 10/12/2009, 4:11 PM
teabag--automan! woo! I always wanted my own cursor to make me things, like a jacuzzi filled with Ruby Rockets.
Betty - 10/12/2009, 4:16 PM
Here ya go Betty... thanks for reminding me!
shibazz - 10/12/2009, 5:02 PM
lol Thanks betty.
I don't think that would count as news. But then again it might to some... hahahhahahh!
DarthMulder - 10/12/2009, 6:21 PM
I think Wolverine was not as good as it could have been. I never would think of it in terms of definitive or not definitive.

I'm sure a more common criticism would just simply be... It wasn't all that good.
Acerimmer1 - 10/12/2009, 7:19 PM
I think its pretty simple, pick the Wolverine that will best tell the story you want the audience to receive. If your movie is going to be a gut busting, blood shedding hack fest with Wolvie as the star well then find the most violent interrepretation of the man beast and slap him in front of the camera. If you want to tell the story of his inner struggle and his ninja and samurai abilities, go with the Wolvie that portrays those characteristics.

It seems to me that Gavin Hood really just couldnt commit to a certain idea. He couldnt commit so he blames all the comics for making so many types of Logans. He messed up in a sense. I think too many people were involved with the idea of what wolverine should and shouldnt be doing in the film. Hood should've pulled his balls out of his carrying case, put em on and told the producers and studios too shut the f*ck up. Or maybe Im giving him too much credit, maybe hes just a douche who really didnt care that much about an epic Wolverine movie to begin with, just saw the dollar signs

Its been said a million times but CBM's have to really step it up. After TDK came out we as an audience and fans realized that a good CBM was obtainable. And we expect that from every film now. Wolverine:Origins would have been a really good movie 5-6 years ago. We were finally given steak and we dont want to go back to meatloaf.....


ColdStone - 10/13/2009, 3:17 AM
Becasue fire fighters and police officers wear bright coloured full body suits and masks to be larger that life, rather than wearing simple, personal protective equipment.

Like you kids need to get your heads out of your asses. Watch the toon movies to get "your source material puyt up onto screen"

When making a live action flick, you need to look at the general viewing public, what is going to sell? Do you know how many people I know that have never read a [frick]ing comic and liked the movie?

Tell me, as a movie studio head, what are you going to care about? Making money, or making sure you please the small clique of people who read the comics? I know what I would do.

AGAIN FOR THE UPTEINTH TIME. YOU CAN NOT TRANSLATE/CAPTURE A COMIC TO THE SCREEN EFFECTIVELY. CONSIDERING EVEN 1 [frick]ING PANEL COULD NEED HOURS OF TRANSLATION. LAST TIME I CHECKED THEY STILL POST NOTES TO PREVIOUS ISSUES TO EXPLAIN A COMMENT. CAN WE DO THAT ON SCREEN? NO. YOU NEED TO PUT YOUR NERDNESS ASIDE AND WATCH THE MOVIE FOR WHAT IT IS. YOU MAY FIND THAT YOU LIKE THE MOVIE MORE THAN YOU HATE IT.

now, the costume isn't going to make the movie better. If you take a gallon of hagan das and stir in a tea spoon of dog shit, you're left with a gallon of dog shit. If this is all you're looking for, i suggests you take a better look at your life and make some drastic changes.
TheJester - 10/13/2009, 6:38 AM
@Jester: You brought ZERO valid points into the discussion that were not brought up many times before by us "nerds". Why would you come onto a thread and complain about people complaining? Do you need to insult someone's personal life to make your existence meaningful?

C'mon man, I've read your comments before and you've always brought up solid ideas. Do you have to revert to insults?
MultiPurposePoni - 10/13/2009, 7:35 AM
If you look at Wolverine jacket's leather, you will see some yellow lines, Gavin tried to connect that with the old yellow suit, that was cool,there was nothing wrong with his clothes, but no more excuses
brazilianbatman - 10/31/2009, 10:27 PM

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