AVENGERS: ENDGAME Directors Explain Why Robert Downey Jr. Deserves An Oscar For His Iron Man Performance

Avengers: Endgame directors Joe and Anthony Russo have addressed the lack of interest the Academy has in rewarding popular films, while also explaining why Robert Downey Jr. is deserving of an award...

By JoshWilding - Sep 07, 2019 03:09 AM EST

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Avengers: Endgame is a three hour epic, and arguably the best superhero movie of all-time. However, the chances of it receiving a "Best Picture" nomination at the Oscars seem slim, and now the Russo Brothers have weighed in on the Academy's apparent lack of interest in rewarding blockbusters.

"It’s certainly as difficult as it gets—without question," Joe says of the challenges of approaching a movie of this size. "On a scale of 1-10, this is a 12. We’ll say this: there certainly is a disconnect between the Academy and popular audiences. It started about 20 years ago. If you go back and look at the Academy Awards up until that point, they were in sync with popular audiences."

Anthony went on to explain that the influence of Harvey Weinstein is what led to things changing, as he manipulated Oscar voters into prioritising arthouse films he often produced. "That’s what happened. And to its credit, the Academy seems very focused on trying to champion smaller movies, which is awesome, but you don’t want to have that be the only thing they try to do."

"Because then it just becomes an independent film festival, which we’re all in support of, but if you want to draw an audience, and you have to draw an audience for the Oscars to keep working, then at some point you’ve gotta listen to the audience," Joe adds. "We don’t make movies for awards. Yes, making this was exceedingly difficult. We made the two most expensive movies ever back-to-back. But I just want to stump for one thing, and that’s Robert Downey."

Asked why they believe Downey Jr. is worthy of a "Best Actor" Oscar, Joe explained that it boils down to the way moviegoers responded to the performance he delivered as Iron Man.

"I don’t know if I have ever seen—in movie history—a global audience react to a performance the way they did to Robert Downey in that movie," the filmmaker explains. "There were people bawling in movie theaters, hyperventilating. I mean, that is a profound performance, when you can touch audiences all over the world to that degree. We’ve never seen anything like that, and if that doesn’t deserve an Oscar, I don’t know what does."

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The Scene That Always Makes Kevin Feige Cry

Avengers: Endgame has a lot of moments that bring a tear to the eye, but there is one, in particular, that gets Feige every time he sees it. However, it's not the deaths of characters like Iron Man or Black Widow. Instead, it's that epic Portals scene. "Almost every version, starting with the green screen, just actors running down a green ramp version, got me. Every time," he reveals.

"More so than any of the deaths. At some point I know they're not dead, the actors aren't dead, it's not real. That moment of them all returning, with me it goes even deeper because it's, 'Holy Toledo, we've introduced all these actors, we've made movies of all these characters.' So that got me a number of times." Given how awe-inspiring that scene is, no one can blame him!

When That Star-Studded Funeral Scene Was Shot

It's no secret that Marvel Studios told cast members that they would be shooting a wedding when they were, in fact, there for Tony Stark's funeral, but what might surprise you is just how long they've been sitting on that scene. According to Feige, it was shot back in October 2017, "the day we shot the 10th anniversary photo."

"That's why we did that photo then, because we had everybody there," he explains, while finally shedding some light on how that photo happened. "And it was astounding, having all those actors there, and it's very solemn in the movie, because they're all great actors, it's very effective. On the day it was just insane."

Where The Idea Of Infinity War And Endgame Came From

Oh, to be a fly on the wall at one of these! According to Feige, he and a number of others from Marvel Studios go on retreats to work on ideas for the future of the MCU while isolated away from typical distractions back in Hollywood. It was at one of these that the two-part finale was dreamed up.

"We were on our third retreat, perhaps, five years or more ago, when we started talking about what would become Infinity War and Endgame. And in particular, how do we pay off this purple guy that Joss [Whedon] set up at the end of Avengers and start to intertwine him with these awesome Infinity Stones that we have that provide wonderful macguffins in all these individual films."

"When you put them together, we thought it could be more," he explains. "And it was on that retreat that we thought of doing two movies at the same time, which has its pros and cons."

How Logan Inspired Iron Man's Death

Marvel Studios has frequently killed off villains for good, but we're used to seeing heroes come back to life. After all, they faked us out with Nick Fury's apparent demise in Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Feige pointed to that as being a good example of why Avengers: Endgame needed to deliver "stakes and real emotion."

Surprisingly, it was then that Feige looked to a non-Marvel Studios superhero movie for inspiration. "We saw Logan like the audience did, in a theater having nothing to do with the making of that film and went, 'oh my god, what an amazing ending for Hugh as this character,'" he explains.

"And there are only a handful of examples where an actor so associated with a character can go out perfectly. And Logan is the only one that jumps to mind right now, there are not that many of them. And that's what we desperately wanted to give Robert, and that was what our focus was on."

Robert Downey Jr. Learned Of His Fate A Long Time Ago

We know that Marvel Studios had to pay Robert Downey Jr. a lot of money to return for Captain America: Civil War and Spider-Man: Homecoming, but the actor learned about Iron Man's final fate long before that. "I remember pitching that to Robert Downey Jr. probably in December of 2015, I think," he remembers, which places this conversation around the time Civil War was being shot.

"I pitched him the idea of the two-part finale for Avengers and Homecoming, which was a part of that leading into it. It took a little while, but eventually it came together. I think at first it doesn't seem real that this journey will come to an end. But as it got closer to filming, it really was emotional for all of us, and particularly for him." How that never ended up leaking is hard to say!

Gwyneth Paltrow Knows Nothing About The MCU...

Recently, Gwyneth Paltrow made headlines when it was revealed that she had no idea she had starred in Spider-Man: Homecoming. As it turns out, she also forgot that Samuel L. Jackson is Nick Fury!

"Tom Holland [was] coming up to me, saying, 'Is that Michelle Pfeiffer? What is happening?'" Feige laughed, remembering that funeral scene. "Gwyneth Paltrow [was] asking why Sam Jackson was there, and the other actors [were] jumping in saying, 'What are you talking about? He's Nick Fury! You've been in movies with him.' But it was really something special."

Interestingly, Feige was also at the funeral...sort of. "I was on the balcony of that house," he reveals. "In that shot, as you see in the movie, right inside the cabin, was video village where I was sitting with [executive producer] Trinh Tran and Joe and Anthony."

One Character Who Didn't Make It Into The Funeral

Amazingly, everyone at the funeral was really there, but Marvel Studios did briefly consider adding one more character with visual effects during post-production. "We did at one point toy with putting Cassie there," Feige reveals, referring to Scott Lang's teenage daughter. "At one point we thought of digitally adding her so it's the family."

As for why it didn't happen, he says: "[We] thought, 'This is the heroes celebrating the other heroes and the loss of Tony', so we didn't do it. Aside from Smart Hulk and Rocket and Groot, everybody's actually standing there."

More Deleted Scenes?

We know for a fact that the Avengers: Endgame Blu-ray doesn't feature certain scenes that were filmed, including one revolving around Katherine Langford as an older Morgan Stark. The question is, are we actually going to see them somewhere down the line?

"If we do a big, giant Infinity Saga box set, we might include- I’m assuming if you're going to spend the money to buy a box set with everything in it, you're a fan. And it'll take more than a couple of really, really bad scenes to turn you," he laughed. "There are things that we think nobody should ever see."

"And I think we've just recently been discussing that now we can start to show some of our less proud moments." Disney+ would be a good platform for that and it's hard not to wonder what those might be. For now, it seems as if we'll have to just wait and see.

Head over to Empire for more highlights from Kevin Feige's Q&A.

Continue reading below to check out some
recently released VFX stills from Avengers: Endgame!

Captain Marvel leads the charge as Earth's Mightiest Heroes hover over Titan II and attempt to formulate a plan to take down Thanos and bring the trillions who died back to life.

In this before and after shot, we see how the ship the team travelled in was enhanced with visual effects and outer space was added in the background. Sean Gunn is also replaced with Rocket!

This is a particularly interesting shot as we see how those effects surrounding Captain Marvel were created. We also see that some changes were made to the colour of the hero's costume.

With the rest of the Guardians of the Galaxy dead and gone, Rocket was given the spotlight and pretty much became an Avenger as a result. Needless to say, he looked awesome in this movie.

Captain Marvel's costume has undergone some changes since her first appearance in the 1990s, but this suit didn't last particularly long as the 2023 version was obviously completely redesigned.

The Guardians' ship hovers over Titan II, and this is a gorgeous piece of imagery. Moments later, Thanos would be decapitated by Thor and that would set the 2014 version on his quest for revenge.

These revealing before and after images show how the battle between the two versions of Captain America was created. It was an impressive sequence and clearly not that easy to put together.

The team blasts into outer space here as the imagery introduced in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 showing how spaceships essentially enter lightspeed made its return in Avengers: Endgame.

Who would have guessed that Stormbreaker was entirely CGI? Then again, considering the fact that it passed right by Brie Larson's head, it's understandable that Marvel didn't want to risk anything!

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Kurne - 9/7/2019, 3:26 AM

I still cringe at the thought of that "most popular movie" category that was almost a reality. Every CBM in a year would have ended up there.

Nightwing1015 - 9/7/2019, 3:28 AM

They're right, the Oscars are sort of a joke regarding popular movies. The last really popular movie that won best picture was probably Return of the King in the early 2000s.

TheManWithoutFear - 9/7/2019, 3:32 AM

Who cares really. Award shows are meaningless.

krayzeman - 9/7/2019, 7:09 AM

@TheManWithoutFear - There are a ton of people that dont care you right but these actors put a lot of work into their craft and Downey having one of the most elaborate arcs in cinematic history as someone pointed out deserves to be recognized by his peers which is what this all about. General audiences are just spectators. Recognize him, Academy! He stuck the landing!

Highflyer - 9/7/2019, 3:39 AM

"There were people bawling in movie theaters, hyperventilating. I mean, that is a profound performance, when you can touch audiences all over the world to that degree. We’ve never seen anything like that, and if that doesn’t deserve an Oscar, I don’t know what does."

Are they referring to his death scene? Because that scene alone doesn't make his entire performance Oscar worthy. Audiances have been watching RDJ as Tony for like 11 years. They're attached so I'm not surprised people would be emotional to his death.

Mclane - 9/7/2019, 3:43 AM

@Highflyer - While that is true RDJ could have just phoned it in as he knew this was it but he didn't, he did his craft proud and gave the fans a terrific way to see his character go, raw emotion and real skill are needed and he nailed it.

Mclane - 9/7/2019, 3:40 AM

I think Oscars do have a role in giving the actors the unique celebration they deserve but the snobbish attitude that an action / super hero / sci fi will always be pushed to one side for an 'art house' film is just wrong. If you have an actor evoking the sort of reaction that RDJ had on the audience then that is acting, that is what the academy is there to judge so bloody judge THAT and not the film. Saying that, End game had a cast putting their all into it, especially the characters that were dying (hell, if that's a spoiler now then sod ya) they gave it their all and the audience were in for a treat and appreciated every second.

BeyondtheFuture - 9/7/2019, 3:42 AM

No, I love Endgame, but there is no performance in it that deserves a nomination let alone an Oscar win. For one thing none of them get enough screen time. His performance at the beginning is good but it's not Oscar worthy.

Jacory - 9/7/2019, 10:31 AM

@BeyondtheFuture - agreed

Polaris - 9/7/2019, 3:47 AM

I agree. He deserves a nomination

WakandanQueen - 9/7/2019, 3:49 AM

If I were a member of the Academy, I would push for him to be nominated. I wonder if he's going to be submitted in leading or supporting category. Leading category is way too competitive this year.

regularmovieguy - 9/7/2019, 4:14 AM

I think best pic is in the cards...movie dethroned Avatar for box office champ. Would not be surprised at all.

Acting noms might be asking too much.

regularmovieguy - 9/7/2019, 4:17 AM

@MidnightCaptain

Come on, man.

RDJ is a fantastic actor. And I’m excited to see where he goes Post MCU.

No need to shit on another actor and prop up another like that. They’re both great. Maybe they’ll be in a movie together someday.

tmp3 - 9/7/2019, 6:31 AM

@regularmovieguy - "they’ll be in a movie together someday."
Directed by RDJ's friend and Joaquin's collaborator Paul Thomas Anderson perhaps?? AKA the best director working rn imo

Origame - 9/7/2019, 4:20 AM

As much as i genuinely believe the oscars should include "popular" films in their nominations (logan getting a snub is a huge missed opportunity) and I can certainly hear a case in favor of downey getting nominated for this movie, this really just comes off as them just stroking their own ego. I mean really? "Our movie made all the money ever and the only reason our actors aren't getting nominated for this movie is because its a super popular movie and the oscars only care about smaller films".

regularmovieguy - 9/7/2019, 4:30 AM

@KingCipher

Legendary performance. The supporting actor race was stacked that year.

WarnerBrother - 9/7/2019, 4:36 AM

It would be amusing if after a year of Marvel/Disney box office domination
that a WB/DC film once again gets the only artistic respect for the CBM genre.

At least that should silence the "WB/DC doesn't know what its doing" crowd.

I'm pretty sure Endgame gets nominated and wins for visual effects against
Star Wars and that isn't bad.

WarnerBrother - 9/7/2019, 4:48 AM

Blockbuster movies may have gotten nominated for best picture more before 20 years ago, but they didn't really win. Perhaps the selection committee believes that social media hype would push the voters to award a blockbuster
more then an professional evaluation.

WakandanQueen - 9/7/2019, 4:48 AM

@MidnightCaptain - In the same year as DiCaprio, Banderas and De Niro? We'll see.

tmp3 - 9/7/2019, 6:32 AM

@WakandanQueen - De Niro's de aging might make him lose the nomination... which would suck because when he acts he can [frick]ing act, and him getting a nomination would make me so happy

WarnerBrother - 9/7/2019, 5:02 AM

@KingCipher

Well this article seemed to be about the MCU not getting "respect" for its
biggest movie ever. That seems to bother the Russo Brothers otherwise they
would just sit back and count their money instead of commenting on the Oscar
award nomination process.

GhostDog - 9/7/2019, 5:29 AM

The Oscars are biased. It’s all over the place.

Besides that, RDJ’s work in the first 20 minutes of Endgame was PHENOMENAL. That scene on the ship talking to the helmet and his rage against Cap....AMAZING work by Downey.

Kumkani - 9/7/2019, 5:36 AM

Endgame is the movie that deserves this kind of recognition a lot more than Infinity War, so I'm hoping it gets something more than Best VFX. The acting category this time around seems very competitive so I don't know about that one but I think Best Picture should be a given.

Matador - 9/7/2019, 5:39 AM

@MidnightCaptain -

LaserKing - 9/7/2019, 5:44 AM

There was more emotion and great acting packed into that movie that the oscars need to wake up and accept the fact that these movies are not only popular but continue to climb in quality.

Battabing - 9/7/2019, 6:20 AM

You don't get an award for just acting like a hyper version yourself. RDJ's performance in the MCU has been good, but it certainly hasn't been Oscar-worthy.

Y'all go on ahead and have a seat.

Spock0Clock - 9/7/2019, 6:30 AM

@Battabing - That's really all most actors do, and plenty have won Oscars doing it.

Spock0Clock - 9/7/2019, 6:40 AM

Robert Downey Jr. absolutely deserves recognition for bringing a character to life across 9 major films on a journey that was faceted and nuanced, and that affected people.

And he gets that recognition in a myriad of different ways. The outpouring of public engagement, the enormous paychecks, the omnipresent references that have invaded so much of our culture. RDJ's Tony Stark is recognized. All without a silly statue by a backward pointless organization full of bourgie industry insiders.

knocturnalzen10 - 9/7/2019, 6:44 AM

@spock0clock- agreed!!!!! but damn does he deserve something for that death scene .......... I've never seen so many adults shed pure tears in my days

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