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bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 5/3/2019, 5:11 AM
I think Hulk saying he is ''made'' to wield the stones is actually a reference to The Avengers. I don't know the actual dialogue, but I remember Tony or Bruce saying that Bruce turning into the Hulk had a reason.

Also, another reference is the ''losing together'' dialogue to Age of Ultron. Which is pretty hard to miss, since it takes up a whole scene in the movie
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 5/3/2019, 6:44 AM
@MalseMarcel - Yeah, That was the connection I made and the true end to the Hulk’s story arc... he made peace with himself and then found his purpose. He didn’t exist just to destroy, he saved half of the universe.
Kyos
Kyos - 5/3/2019, 7:32 AM
@MalseMarcel - Definitely fitting:
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 5/3/2019, 7:42 AM
@Kyos - Yup, that's the one I'm talking about. Fits great indeed
Scarilian
Scarilian - 5/3/2019, 5:15 AM
References mean little when they are out of character and most have personalities reset via a time jump for a time travel plotline that according to the Russo' did not need to happen because the stones were still around and everyone was just acting like an idiot via not having a Quantum Realm adventure instead.

I just wish this film had a good story and was actually consistent with the rules it developed. Everything was set-up over 21 previous movies and they just toss most of it away to give strange endings for characters or reset them like Thor. Why have a movie franchise of 21 movies if you are going to just ignore them - including most of them.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 5/3/2019, 5:47 AM
@LordCipher -
To be fair, via the movie, the stones are not in the Quantum Realm they are destroyed - which the Ancient One states would end the universe.

The Russo' are just trying to retcon plotholes and have stated the stones were shrunk by Thanos instead, which goes against Thanos' desire to prevent them from being used and does not justify his massive injuries.

The story skipped over the character development to introduce characters that were different from what the 21 films established - it also failed to introduce characters that the audience might not be familiar with.

Captain Marvel just shows up without really acknowledging her and then acts as a deus ex machina during the final fight. Even the post credit scene of her movie is not in the final cut of Endgame making the entire subplot of the pager utterly pointless in her movie and in Infinity War.

Captain America realised in AoU he could never go back to how things were because he was a different person from when he went into the ice. Civil War continued this via showing his connections with people in the present, he effectively split the Avengers in half because half the team was trusting and supportive of him. Endgame ignores all that development and his realisation he would not fit in the world he left behind and just trashes that.

Thor just abandons his people's needs to play games and get drunk and later abandons his title to just mess around universe, resetting his character to prior to the events of the first Thor movie.
CLTMAN29
CLTMAN29 - 5/3/2019, 6:05 AM
@Scarilian - The pager things does fit. I thought the same at first, but having a quick research online - Carol arrives to the pager signal, and is then sent/goes looking for Tony or any survivors. She didn't just happen on him by chance.
GreedoSarducci
GreedoSarducci - 5/3/2019, 6:41 AM
@Scarilian - just rewatched the scene between Bruce and The Ancient One. She never says anything about destroyed stones ending the universe.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 5/3/2019, 6:53 AM
@CLTMAN29 - Yeah, people keep saying “Captain Marvel doesn’t do anything”...

Captain Marvel rescues Tony, who ends Thanos. Either she was looking for him (If nothing else, Pepper knew he was on that donut ship... so then it was a matter of guessing where it might have been heading, and Thanos’s home planet would be worth a look) or she was looking for Thanos, but either way finding him on the path between Earth and Titan comes from her starting from Earth thanks to the page.

And really, taking down Thanos’s massive ship that had everyone pinned down was not nothing either.
Vigor
Vigor - 5/3/2019, 6:58 AM
@Scarilian - I disagree, aggressively with everything you say about Endgame.

“The Russo' are just trying to retcon plotholes and have stated the stones were shrunk by Thanos instead, which goes against Thanos' desire to prevent them from being used and does not justify his massive injuries.”

While I don’t know why they went this direction instead of having Thanos simply destroy the stones, Thanos DOES STATE in the movie that they reduced down to their last atom. It’s not a plothole if it’s stated in the movie. That’s the opposite of a plothole

“The story skipped over the character development to introduce characters that were different from what the 21 films established - it also failed to introduce characters that the audience might not be familiar with.”

They’re different because it’s 5 years later. People change on a daily basis. Imagine what would happen in 5 years after half your family and friends disappeared

“Captain Marvel just shows up without really acknowledging her and then acts as a deus ex machina during the final fight. Even the post credit scene of her movie is not in the final cut of Endgame making the entire subplot of the pager utterly pointless in her movie and in Infinity War.”

There have been 22 Marvel movies. Each one of them connects to the next. You KNOW this. The pager isn’t irrelevant. It explains how Capt Marvel got the message and how she came to Earth, which was then shown during Cpt Marvel’s end credits. Why waste time showing it again when we can be efficient with our time and show what happens next? (Cap/Widow/Rocket tell Carol about Iron Man and the Benatar being missing so ask her to track it down by the Benatar’s gps coordinates or whatever)

“Captain America realised in AoU he could never go back to how things were because he was a different person from when he went into the ice. Civil War continued this via showing his connections with people in the present, he effectively split the Avengers in half because half the team was trusting and supportive of him. Endgame ignores all that development and his realisation he would not fit in the world he left behind and just trashes that.”

Unless you want to torture the character of Steve Rogers by keeping him a soldier the rest of his life, then him wanting to live out a life with the only woman he ever loved is the most fitting. He could never go back to his former life before, because his former life was 60 years ago and he had no way to get there. The allure of being able to live a divergent timeline is too strong for even the most noblest of men. “The fight” was done. Thanos was defeated. Let the man retire

“Thor just abandons his people's needs to play games and get drunk and later abandons his title to just mess around universe, resetting his character to prior to the events of the first Thor movie”

While I enjoyed Thor, I can see and understand how others did not. So I respect your opinion here. It reminds me of Star Wars and how the conflict of (republic vs Empire) is basically reset all over again after The Last Jedi. Something I find maddening
MasterMix
MasterMix - 5/3/2019, 5:17 AM
just saw it again yesterday. The movie has excellent replay value. I might even go a third time. I defenitly caught just about everything on the second go. Without the screaming audiance.
Imfunnyhow
Imfunnyhow - 5/3/2019, 5:38 AM
@MasterMix - I know right on opening it was screaming and sobbing. But to be honest there was more crowd reaction on opening night for Infinity War( When Thanos stabbed Tony and when everyone got dusted) It least that was my experience.
kingcazzie
kingcazzie - 5/3/2019, 5:23 AM
There’s one more Homecoming reference: when Tony hugs Peter and he says, “this is nice”: it’s a callback to when Peter tried to hug Tony in the limo back in Homecoming and he said was actually trying to open the door for him LOL
GhostDog
GhostDog - 5/3/2019, 5:24 AM
"...Steve Rogers is shown to be worthy of lifting Mjolnir, he does indeed possess the power of Thor as he's able to summon lightning against Thanos and, as we learned in Thor: Ragnarok, the hammer is a conduit for that rather than the source of those abilities. This raises some interesting questions for the God of Thunder's future and whether someone else will now inherit the mantle."

With Thor being the literal God of Thunder, I can buy him being able to summon lightning on his own without the hammer. Even still, Odin putting the enchantment on the hammer and the literal power of Thor within it, was probably apart of his objective to make Thor into a good man and king; making him believe he needs to be WORTHY to wield the power. This would push him to be just that.



With that enchantment, anyone else who is worthy can acceess the power. Maybe not as much power as Thor but still.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 5/3/2019, 5:33 AM
@LordCipher - I'll accept that too. Makes sense.

It could also be that the hammer just houses the magic needed to access his armor, but i like the idea that its also a conduit for his godhood. Is he worthy to be a god ya know.

I think this and my theory work.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 5/3/2019, 5:39 AM
@LordCipher - I would say maybe his inability to lead to him being able to with Thor. Hela reached a power so great that even he could not remove it. But he could banish her.

The hammer for her never seemed to be a thunder thing. Odin later changed it for Thor.
ElvenKingSlayer
ElvenKingSlayer - 5/3/2019, 7:36 AM
@BlackBeltJones - "With that enchantment, anyone else who is worthy can acceess the power. Maybe not as much power as Thor but still."
I only have three words: Beta Ray Bill ;)
GhostDog
GhostDog - 5/3/2019, 7:43 AM
@ElvenKingSlayer - hopefully we see him in the flesh soon

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