Zack Snyder Is A Fan Of THE AVENGERS Movies But Thinks Fans Need To Be "Open To Other Things"

During a recent fan Q&A session, Justice League director Zack Snyder was asked for his thoughts on today's superhero movies and while he likes the Avengers franchise, he makes some interesting points...

By JoshWilding - Mar 26, 2019 11:03 AM EST

Filed Under: Avengers: Endgame

Superhero movies today are very different to what Zack Snyder delivered with the likes of Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, but as Warner Bros. is now learning with the success of Aquaman and Shazam!, moviegoers don't want dark and brooding comic book adaptations.

During a recent Q&A session, Snyder was asked for his thoughts on comic book movies and while he specifically mentioned The Avengers franchise as one he's a fan of, it definitely sounds like he wishes audiences would embrace different takes on the genre.

"The thing about comic book movies is -- and you know I'm a fan," he said. "I go and see all the Avengers movies and I go and I love it. You don't have to not enjoy them, but you also have to be, like, open to other things as well."

To be fair, it is easy enough to see where the filmmaker is coming from, but you have to believe that at least some of what he's saying is rooted in bitterness. After all, moviegoers completely rejected what he attempted to do with the DC superheroes he adapted (just look at that second weekend drop for Batman v Superman).

Regardless, it would be great to see him return to this genre somewhere down the line, whether it's in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the DC Extended Universe, or something else altogether. What do you guys think? As always, let us know your thoughts in the comments section.

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Justice League #SnyderCut reveals from the director!

The Original Version Of Justice League Wasn't Even Shot

For a good year and a half now, fans have been demanding that Warner Bros. "#ReleaseTheSnyderCut." Well, it doesn't sound as if that even exists because Snyder has revealed that the original version of the screenplay was never shot due to the response to Batman v Superman and Warner Bros.' concerns about moviegoers not embracing this darker take on the DCEU.

"The original Justice League that Chris [Terrio] and I wrote, we didn't even shoot," he confirmed. "The actual idea, the hard, hard idea, the scary idea, we never filmed because the studio was like 'That's crazy.'"

"When this movie came out, understand that Chris Terrio and I had finished the script to Justice League before Batman v Superman came out. Some people didn't like the movie. A vocal minority. So they said 'There's a lot of stuff we don't want you to do,' so we did a rewrite from that script." Snyder did, however, shed some light on what that would have entailed...

"Knightmare" Was Going To Be Explained

The "Knightmare" sequence in Batman v Superman was awesome, but it was also kind of baffling. It felt like a random addition and was never elaborated on, either in this movie or Justice League. "It's a long story," Snyder explains. "The truth is that, the Knightmare sequence in this movie was always my idea that all of that would eventually be explained."

Apparently, we would have then ended up in the "distant future, where Darkseid has taken over Earth...[and] a few members of the Justice League that had survived in that world...were fighting."

So, as most of expected, a future Justice League movie would indeed have taken place in the distant future with the heroes attempting to travel back in time and set things right. That sounds pretty similar to those rumours about Avengers: Endgame, though, right?

Superman Has Succumbed To The Anti-Life Equation

What led to "Knightmare" becoming a reality? Well, Darkseid had taken over the Earth and Superman had succumbed to the Anti-Life Equation, thereby explaining why he had turned evil in the flashforward sequence from Batman v Superman.

The Man of Steel's fall from grace would have led to Batman, the Flash, and a "broken" Cyborg attempting to send the Fastest Man Alive back in time to warn Bruce about what was to come, and that explains what the Caped Crusader saw in the Batcave when Barry Allen told him that "Lois is the key."

Snyder didn't elaborate on how all this would have worked beyond confirming that he and Terrio figured out a complicated time-travel formula, and while Warner Bros. was initially on board, "the details of how and why" the Justice League broke up made them nervous and had to be changed.

A Scrapped Post-Credits Scene

Snyder still hasn't seen Joss Whedon's version of Justice League, but he did comment on a scrapped post-credits scene which would have referenced the events of Batman v Superman and set the stage for what was going to come next.

"The Justice League teaser that wasn't in the movie, apparently, I guess, where Wonder Woman says, it's this line where Bruce says 'I was right here when Barry Allen came to me and he said Lois Lane is the key,' and she says 'She is, to Superman. Every heart has one.' And he goes, 'I think it's something more, something darker.'"

The director went on to say that the League had to prevent Lois' death because that would lead to Superman succumbing to the Anti-Life Equation. That explains why the Man of Steel blamed Bruce for her death, because it was going to be down to Batman to protect her and he would have taken her to the Batcave to do so.

The Death Of Lois Lane

Snyder didn't fully elaborate on how things would have played out (and it all sounds a little jumbled) but he confirmed that Darkseid was going to travel into the Batcave via Boom Tube, and he would have killed the intrepid Daily Planet reporter in order to break Superman and bring him to his side.

This is where time-travel once again comes into play, and things get even more confusing...

Time-Travel And A Battle In The Batcave

Finally, it's said that using the cosmic treadmill, the Flash would have been able to transport himself back in time to the same spot in space; this would mean the remaining League members would have had to choose carefully otherwise Barry Allen could have landed in the wrong location or even just the void of space.

Because Bruce remembered that visit from Barry, he allowed the half of Cyborg that remained to choose the window the Fastest Man Alive would be sent back to, which would help him to avoid arriving "too soon." The new window in time would have seen him show up in the Batcave moments before Darkseid so he could stop Lois' murder and help avoid Superman's turn to the dark side.

This all sounds tremendously convoluted, but also pretty damn awesome for the most part.

Steppenwolf Was Never Set To Appear In Justice League

As you may recall, there have been rumours that Steppenwolf was supposed to appear in Suicide Squad with Darkseid then taking on the lead role in Justice League as big bad. Snyder says he doesn't know anything about that, but confirmed that he worked with director David Ayer to add Batman and the Flash to that movie despite wanting to keep the two franchises as separate as possible.

What About The "Snyder Cut"?

Snyder clearly had some awesome and crazy ideas for Justice League (remember that Warner Bros. initially announced Justice League: Part One and Justice League: Part Two) and while a lot of scenes ended up on the cutting room floor due to those reshoots, it doesn't appear as if anything resembling what the filmmaker has described here was ever shot.

As a result, the only way we're going to see the "Snyder Cut" become a reality is if the director chooses to release the original screenplay, or if he puts it into graphic novel form for DC Comics.

While it's tricky to put much of what he's said into context, it's clear that he had some cool ideas and it's easy enough to see where he was going to take things, even if he didn't elaborate on how the story was going to wrap up. What do you guys think? As always, share your thoughts in the usual place.

Continue reading below for some previously
released "Snyder Cut" reveals from Kevin Smith!

According to Smith, crew members saw Jim Lee storyboards for all three movies. While the first instalment we ended up seeing (with Joss Whedon's reshoots) mostly played out how Snyder planned, the biggest change was that the ending would have featured an appearance from Darkseid as he stared down the team through the Boom Tube Steppenwolf escaped in.

In the sequel, however, things would have taken a cosmic turn for the iconic heroes...

Apparently, the League would have taken the fight to Apokolips in a movie which may have also featured New Genesis. It was in this movie that the Green Lantern Corps would have got involved and Smith claims that the scene with Alfred in the Justice League trailer where he says "Let's hope you're not too late..." was originally going to be with Green Lantern, not Superman.

Crew members even had green lights which they shined on Jeremy Irons but plans clearly changed and the Corps remained relegated to those flashback scenes.

Justice League 2 would have featured a dark ending along the lines of The Empire Strikes Back or Avengers: Infinity War as the team would have been defeated in space before Darkseid arrived on Earth and, in Smith's words, "levels it."

Needless to say, that would have made things difficult for the solo movies Warner Bros. had planned but it would have nicely led to that "Knightmare" vision Batman had becoming a reality and the Flash having to travel back in time.

As you might expect, Justice League 3 would have pitted the heroes against Darkseid for one final stand against the villain as they attempted to set things right. The director stops there but this adventure presumably would have featured time-travel and possibly even the evil Superman we saw kill Batman in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. It's hard to say.

Either way, Smith says, "I really feel like hearing what we heard, we might have missed something." It's hard to disagree with that...

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imnotadoor - 3/26/2019, 12:02 PM

whattaya gonna do eh

CurlyBill - 3/26/2019, 12:02 PM

soberchimera - 3/26/2019, 12:03 PM

Most people though Josh would stop with the Snyder articles, but not us.

Not us.

Battabing - 3/26/2019, 12:05 PM

@soberchimera -
So, y'all are just gonna keep milking this whole "not us" thing, right?

soberchimera - 3/26/2019, 12:09 PM

@Battabing - Everyone seems to be on the "Whatever it takes" train now.

OmegaDaGrodd - 3/26/2019, 12:10 PM

@Battabing - Some people move on from "Some people move on, but not us.......not us", but not us......

....not us

soberchimera - 3/26/2019, 12:16 PM

@OmegaDaGrodd - A lot of people saw the movie Us, but not us. I accidentally went into Dumbo thinking I was going to see Us, but when the movie started I saw it was not Us.

not Us.

Battabing - 3/26/2019, 12:16 PM

@OmegaDaGrodd -

Oh, you clever man.

DoubleD - 3/26/2019, 12:03 PM

YOUR MOVIES SUCKED GO AWAY !!!

Battabing - 3/26/2019, 12:03 PM

SonOfAGif - 3/26/2019, 12:16 PM

@Battabing - You wanna go bro?

LongMayHeReign - 3/26/2019, 1:06 PM

@SonOfAGif - For some reason I think Bruce could win that fight.

Feralwookiee - 3/26/2019, 12:04 PM

I feel as if Snyder, by going to see them, might ruin them...by osmosis or something. He sucks that bad.

Steel86 - 3/26/2019, 12:05 PM

I feel for him a little because his Batman was taken from The Dark Returns comic and in that Batman did kill but his take on Superman just wasn't it. With Superman not being lighter in charcter it took away from BvS because it wasn't a huge difference in the way they were showed. Both dark and gritty. Not Dark and light.

Goldboink - 3/26/2019, 1:00 PM

@Steel86 - TDKR - Millers take on Batman was a result of Batman being in continuous publication since the 30's or whatever. It was as much a what if as it was rewriting the Batman cannon and in fact you had to be a fan of Batman and familiar with the classic batman to appreciate the twisted take that is Miller's interpretation. Parody is meaningless unless you know what is being parodied.

THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 3/26/2019, 1:18 PM

@Steel86 - Miller's Batman didn't kill:

Steel86 - 3/26/2019, 2:17 PM

@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - I stand corrected. Its been a bit since I read the comic and I thought he shoot the guy. Well now I'm even more upset with BvS.

Steel86 - 3/26/2019, 2:24 PM

@Goldboink - I like your comment but the end leaves me with a question? "Parody is meaningless unless you know what is being parodied." Are you talking about the general population or directed that at me? Because if it is the latter then I'm very knowledgeable about the Bat. I will say I was wrong about Miller's being a killer but my Batman and Superman history is mostly on point.

Goldboink - 3/26/2019, 2:40 PM

@Steel86 - I am talking about the general public and even casual fans such as myself. I was always a Marvel guy from childhood although a lot of comics passed through my hands. By the time that prices went up to $0.50 I was no longer buying comics for the most part. My friends who are DC guys appreciated a lot of Snyder's efforts but even they were somewhat turned off by the bad writing, stilted dialog, gaping plot holes and bummer endings. IMHO Snyder takes his worldview from Ayn Rand who essentially disrespects humanity. Good riddance to Snyder and I am looking forward to a more heroic Batman and a Superman who is not a douchebag.

THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 3/26/2019, 2:44 PM

@Steel86 - You're not alone. A lot of people have that misconception about TDKR, Snyder included. The difference is that we're fans and Snyder is was a director. The dude should have picked up the book again and did his research instead of basing his Batman on an misinformed memory.

ARMUS - 3/26/2019, 3:16 PM

@Steel86 - I feel for him also.

He's getting attacked for his opinions on a movie he made, a comic book movie about characters created for kids, it's a movie, that's all, he was at a Q and A, he was asked questions, he answered, I'm not a fan of BvS but he's a guy with enough to think about rather than being personally attacked because his Batman was a little different, Shumachers was also a little different, Nolan and Burtons too, people need to chill the frick out, next Batman may be for them, if not it'll probably be one of the filthy after that.

CurlyBill - 3/26/2019, 12:05 PM

Yes variety is a great thing to have in comic-book films, but you also have to have quality, which is were you miss the point Zach.

dmac3232 - 3/26/2019, 12:40 PM

@CurlyBill - Exactly. If it’s good, audiences will go just about anywhere with you. But Snyder’s sensibilities just suck. His comments are so bro-ish they literally make me laugh out loud. I always go back to the one about Batman getting raped in prison. He’s the same dude who grew up reading Heavy Metal and never really developed much beyond that. That’s fine with something like 300. But anything requiring even a remote amount of story or character work, he just doesn’t have the chops.

SpideyPuffsMJ - 3/26/2019, 12:06 PM

Stop interviewing this douchebag. I'm genuinely surprised he still has upcoming projects. I see them online, but I don't know a single person in real life who is one of his fans that actually pay attention to him as a director.

SonOfAGif - 3/26/2019, 12:15 PM

@SpideyPuffsMJ - Zack Snyder everytime he gets interviewed:

aflynn - 3/26/2019, 12:06 PM

“Endgame looks terrific but have you ever thought about prison rape, our lord and savior, zombie babies, martha, granny’s peach tea, it was all a hallucination the whole time, ayn rand, and the way flash runs?

That up there that is the real endgame”

FleischerSupes - 3/26/2019, 12:07 PM

Yeah people weren't open minded enough. That MUST have been the problem with his DC movies.

SpideyPuffsMJ - 3/26/2019, 12:07 PM

Must be butthurt that Infinity War/Endgame is playing out on the world stage right now while he has to whisper his scrapped ideas to a fan at a convention (that he threw for himself) about how amazing his version of that story through a DC lens would have been. Alright yeah bro, I'm sure that's why your ideas were thrown in the trash.

santoanderson - 3/26/2019, 12:07 PM

Man, he's just digging himself a deeper grave. Every time he opens his mouth, my already low opinion of his last few movies gets even lower.

Just shaddup Zack.

HeraldNumber7 - 3/26/2019, 12:08 PM

will this clown please shut his face.

we've all been open to "other things" given we've seen and are fans of movies not exclusively produced by Marvel Studios, vastly different than the source material they belong to, and often not even based on cape comics at all.

the current style of CBM just happens to be the most faithful to what we've read in the pages & we're rabid for it, having been denied that for so long as the genre got its legs beneath it.

again... shush!

SonOfAGif - 3/26/2019, 12:24 PM

@HeraldNumber7 - Zack as he is about to be interviewed:

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