okay then

48 @ I got what your saying dude, and cool read!

Fingers crossed we get Riddler, better than Strange an deff more better than another Catwoman!

I like the movies of what you call masterpieces, because they are, you got huge taste!

Damn I want DEADSHOT still in it though dammit lol.

GR8 stuff and thumbs up! :)

Very valid points about how/why Nolan would use the Riddler for the TDKR. I wouldn't mind seeing him as the bad guy, but I just have a gut feeling he wont be used... Hopefully I'm wrong.

If the villains are any of these characters im happy!:) Talia Al Ghul, Red Hood (He could work if he would be vengeful son of Ra´s Al Ghul), Bane (Javier Bardem), Hugo Strange, Hush, Black Mask, Deadshot, Max Cort, Anarky (Adult version. Damien Lewis would be great Anarky), The Penguin, The Riddler, Rupert Thorne, The Joker (Would be cool to see him return), Firefly, Great White Shark, David Cain, Scarecrow (he is still alive), Clayface (The original was just a man who used different masks) and Two-Face.

haha I knew I'd get that guys... I told my bud, watch: they will be saying "you're suckin' him off." If this keeps up, I may contract an Inception... har har...

this is not just about Nolan though... it's about very big picture things guys. Love it or hate it, that is how it is. I'm really not getting pretentious here, but Nolan's tapped in. TDKR is a cyclic title, which is everything and everything - very deep philosophy. It's going to blow our minds.

Next time you guys get a front pager, I'll make sure to come over and say hi =)

Superguy1591 @ [frick] HUSH lol, too soon, we ain't even had ROBIN yet lol?!?

48 @ Lol, it'll be cool as long as you don't talk SMALLVILLE to him! ; D

Yeah I hope your wrong 'bout Catwoman, worst charater to ever put in it I reckon, okay there is a few worst lol!

oh talk Smallvill to him... I got it

so hey dude, what do you think of Smallville?

lol jk

Main thing with Hush is exactly what Lee said - I mean there's basically what 80 years of prior characters to choose from. Not that Hush isn't spectacular, but most purists and I agree, that the other characters deserve their just desserts.

@brazilianbatman pretty much like those ideas. I've always likes the Blackmask idea, and Deadshot. It will be a triangle =P

nice article, i was very happy to read your observations on threes. i agree with your theory onthe use of puzzles in rises but i feel nolan will do thid in a more abstract and personal way as opposed to the slightly more objective riddler and while i would not at all be opposed to seeing our dear edward nashton im rooting for hugo strange. with that character it fits with the pre exsisting world with crane no longer running arkham and seeing more arkham is something i am not at all opposed to

well written piece and good research

He said NO Riddler already.........

I suspect what we'll get, in general terms, is both a completion and a new beginning. By the end of the film, we will see Bruce Wayne finally "owning" his personal demons and free to be Batman in a much more effective way. It would not completely shock me, however, if the end of the film brings us the death of the Flying Graysons. This would sort of bring the whole series full circle to the beginning of the first film, with young man consumed with loss and grief, a patient, yet firm mentor, and the first steps on his "hero's journey." No Robin, Just a crushed and devastated Dick Grayson. Cyclical storytelling is a staple of heroic epics, and it seems that this is the type of pattern you refer to here.

This article is brilliant, I too believe in the rule of trilogies! I have full faith in Nolan going all out for this one too, but honestly, I would in fact be less then pleased with Catwoman, and I still have a good feeling as well for some reason about The Riddler.. after all, he did say NO to "Edward NYGMA", but nothing about Edward Nashton. I mean, think about it, it could be typical Nolan playing with his words getting us thinking, and Nashton DID write an article in ARG for The Dark Knight. Edward Nashton may not be the full fledged MAIN VILLAIN HERE, but seriously, these could be a chance of a major overlooking here, imagine how big the press would be for everyone being stumped like that?

I like everything about your article except for the references to The Riddler. It seems like your grasping and hoping too much. Really great insight thought on technique, and I'm upset you beat me to this bc I have been wanting to go through his films and do something similar, kudos good sir.

Thanks for the kudos and compliments guys. I'll get at your comments tomorrow.

Most of you guys are hitting the nail on the head. Honestly, I don't care if The Riddler ends up in the movie, but I do think Inception opened up the door for a hell of a progression with that character.

I had some gigantic post - actually it was the one part of the body of the article I had forgotten. It's very relevant, and I think you guys will enjoy it. I'm just too tired to rewrite the whole damn thing right now. I basically noticed what appears to be a very cool structured metaphore in Zimmer's score to Inception, that may carry over to TDKR. Maybe some of you guys also noticed it, and could throw it up - it's at the end when the core characters are getting off the jet.

@Jimmy ^ who is my friend sitting on the couch next to me... We've been discussing this stuff all night, and I'm converting him into a cbm addict =P The Riddler is the exact antithesis of the Joker - he is structured evil vs. chaotic evil. He is not throw away, and I think many people will dispute you on that any day of the week.

Jimmy here thinks the term "Nolanverse" is generic and relatively useless, but I think most of you guys will agree it's become an almost wholey accepted pop culture term for "reality" based comic book movies?

And by the way, I don't think you get all sweaty while watching The Godfather; I know you do! then you steal my lotion and my tv and run off to your bedroom and lock your door =P

After a comicbook movie that received Academy Award nominations, how do you top that? With the Dark Knight, audiences got a more internal look at the Caped Crusader. The Riddler would allow for a even deeper look into the mind and psyche of Bruce Wayne without watering down the action.

says the goofy picture guy lol

Great article, very well written. I don't think we will see The Riddler though. As cryptic as Nolan can be I doubt he would ever be outright misleading. If he said no Riddler my guess is he meant it. Also, he sucks! I know it, obviously Nolan does too. A chance to show off detective skills does not a 2/3 hour movie make. Riddler just isn't interesting enough, in any incarnation, to maintain a solid plot imo. I think Catwoman would be however..as long as theer was another villain too.

He said no Riddler.
So no Edward Nashton neither Edward Nygma.
The Riddler is out of TDKR...definately!
Accept it!