JOKER Director Todd Philips Comments On Ambiguous Ending, But Offers No Answers - SPOILERS

Joker has been picked apart since before it even hit theaters, but the movie's ending, in particular, has generated a lot of discussion. Now, Todd Philips has addressed his film's ambiguous denouement...

By MarkCassidy - Oct 07, 2019 07:10 AM EST

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Joker director Todd Philips has commented on the perception that his dark origin tale ends in ambiguous fashion, but he stops short of confirming what actually happens, preferring to leave that up to the viewer.

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The movie makes it clear that Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix) imagines at least some aspects of the story we see unfolding on screen, and there is definitely a suggestion that he may actually be making the whole thing up when we see him talking to a therapist during the epilogue.

"There's a lot of ways you could look at this movie," Philips stated when quizzed about the ending by The LA Times. "You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is."

"But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it – he's just made up a story," he added. "The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker'."

That's certainly one way to view the final scenes, but most fans would likely see it as a bit of a cop out. Of course, we do also get that final glimpse of Bruce Wayne standing among the bodies of his slain parents, which could indicate that this story is far from over.

Let us know what you think about the ending of Joker in the comments, and click the view list button for all the way the film might set up a potential face-off with Batman.

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Young Bruce Wayne

We'll start with the most obvious one: The Joker actually meets the future Batman in this movie.

As many rightly guessed, that young boy Arthur Fleck is forcing a smile onto in the trailers is indeed Bruce Wayne. Arthur makes his way to Wayne manner after discovering that Thomas Wayne is his real father, and shows the lad a few magic tricks through the gate. Bruce is unimpressed.

Their interaction is brief, but there is definitely a bit of weight and emphasis placed on the scene. Granted, part of that is down to Arthur believing he's meeting his half brother at the time.

A Different Joker

There is a theory doing the rounds that Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur Fleck could simply be the inspiration for the actual Joker, and he'll be the one to face off against The Batman in the future.

It sounds like a stretch, but this movie does actually leave some room for it.

Fleck's actions inspire an uprising in Gotham, with hundreds of citizens rioting throughout the city wearing clown masks. Isn't it possible that one of these people could take up the mantle of Joker a decade or so later, around the same time Bruce Wayne is beginning to feel a little batty?

The Murder Of Thomas And Martha Wayne

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Joker leans into Batman mythology heaviest right at the end, when we're presented with a very faithful depiction of the murders of Bruce Wayne's parents.

A thug inspired by Arthur's execution of Murray Franklin live on TV and his assertion that people like Thomas Wayne are to blame for the degradation of the city follows the Waynes into an alley after a screening of Zorro. As he opens fire, he echoes Fleck's "you get what you deserve" from the Franklin killing.

Of course, we're supposed to assume this will eventually bring Bruce to the conclusion that Joker was at least partially responsible for his parents' deaths.

The Ending

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The ambiguous ending, or more accurately, epilogue, of Joker is wide open to interpretation, and leaves plenty of room for Warner Bros. to fold the events of Philips' film into a shared universe.

After Arthur leaves Gotham in flames and fully embraces the Joker persona, we cut to him chuckling during a therapy session in Arkham. Is he recounting his story to his therapist, or imagining the whole thing? We know Fleck is an unreliable narrator and made up an entire relationship in his head, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

This gives the studio leeway to basically pick and choose what they want to establish as real, and what we are to believe were the delusions of a damaged mind.

That Final Shot Of Bruce

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Perhaps most telling is that quick glimpse of Bruce Wayne standing among the bodies of his slain parents.

Arthur never witnessed this event, so why is it burned into his mind? It's possible that he heard about it after, but either way, this still feels like a major bit of foreshadowing, and not something Reeves or the studio would have added to the film at such a specific moment for no reason.

There were probably a few more Easter Eggs and references, but I've only seen the movie once and these are the major ones I picked up on. Did you spot any more? Let us know in the comments down below.

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tmp3 - 10/7/2019, 7:09 AM

Box office for this film went up $3m with estimates. We live in a world, nay a society, where a $55m Joker film opened to $96m domestic and a $300m Justice League film opened to $93m domestic.

regularmovieguy - 10/7/2019, 7:23 AM

@tmp3

234 million WW

Gizmo1221 - 10/7/2019, 7:13 AM

I just hope we get a sequel. Or maybe connect him to Robert Patterson Batman.

KWilly - 10/7/2019, 7:14 AM

@Killman21 - He'd be like... 75 years old by the time Batman first comes along.

Gizmo1221 - 10/7/2019, 7:18 AM

@KWilly - they never said the age for Arthur. Maybe he was in the his late 30s. So maybe 50 when Bruce becomes Batman. Dang it that’s still too old lol.

MarkCassidy - 10/7/2019, 7:32 AM

@KWilly - They could ask us to believe that Fleck is younger than he looks (let's say, 30), so he'd only be 45 when Bruce Wayne (10) decided to become Batman. It could work.

Gizmo1221 - 10/7/2019, 7:36 AM

@MadKingCipher - a new person as joker. What’s the point of this movie then? And they even showed Bruce Wayne

IronGenesis - 10/7/2019, 7:13 AM

‘One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest’ would be my aim for a Joker Sequel.

Bruce Wayne, suffers mental trauma and drugs/alcohol addiction and mental illness following the death of his parents. He ends up in Arkham after trying to strangle his butler Alfred. Bruce when not sedated cuts holes in his bed sheets and pretends to be a Bat creature and runs around the sanitarium. Then re introduce Arthur. All takes place in Arkham.

Argetlam22 - 10/7/2019, 7:50 AM

@IronGenesis - Ruin Batman to make Joker more successful as a franchise character. Very tricky, definitely worthy of the Clown Prince. And an original interpretation of the dark knight as a mental patient imagining himself as a hero just like his nemesis.

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JOKER Director Todd Philips Comments On Ambiguous Ending, But Offers No Answers - SPOILERS

Joker has been picked apart since before it even hit theaters, but the movie's ending, in particular, has generated a lot of discussion. Now, Todd Philips has addressed his film's ambiguous denouement...

Young Bruce Wayne

A Different Joker

The Murder Of Thomas And Martha Wayne

The Ending

That Final Shot Of Bruce

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