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manofillintent1
manofillintent1 - 11/4/2019, 3:02 AM
When you think about it it doesn’t really make sense having a joker with a condition who spontaneously burst in to laughter even for stuff he doesn’t find amusing
manofillintent1
manofillintent1 - 11/4/2019, 3:25 AM
@WilliamCipher - An idea that could only work in a film like this though, the joker laughs because he relishes in what he does, in the movie it clearly hurts him and he doesn’t want to laugh half the time, that wouldn’t be a good angle for your traditional joker, not to me at least
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/4/2019, 3:47 AM
@manofillintent1 - Yeah, I see your point. But to be fair Fleck doesn't really strike me as the guy that will go on to be a criminal mastermind taking on Batman anyway.

When you really think about it, nothing he did in the film was planned. Everyone he killed was someone that wronged him. And on top of that he didn't go out of his way to kill them. They just happened to either come to him, or they were already there when they wronged him.

Even the riots and the movement he caused were not planned by him and happened without him meaning for them to happen.

Finally, even at the end when he kills the psychiatrist in Arkham (the only person in the whole film that he killed who didn't technically wrong him), I still never got the feeling that he was going to escape and then go on some crime spree.

It was a great movie. Just not a great interpretation of the Joker that would actually exist in a world with Batman.
manofillintent1
manofillintent1 - 11/4/2019, 4:12 AM
@CorndogBurglar - Which are more reasons why it really is a joker movie in name only
JonAwesome
JonAwesome - 11/4/2019, 4:18 AM
@manofillintent1 - the way o see it is he only had the nervous laugh when he was still Arthur. It was like this other persona was trying to force itself out of him. When he started to embrace the Joker he didn’t have the nervous laugh anymore.
manofillintent1
manofillintent1 - 11/4/2019, 4:21 AM
@JonAwesome - that’s a good way of looking at it
Kumkani
Kumkani - 11/4/2019, 4:29 AM
@manofillintent1 - Maybe someone can explain it to me, but I eventually found his condition unnecessary afterwards. It's really only there for some truly unnerving moments, because towards the end of the film Arthur starts to genuinely laugh at things he finds funny, like his morbid jokes or killing Murray. Plus he smiles at the end when he sees his followers lauding him and even the very last scene has him laughing at something. As his said, he started seeing his life as a comedy and his brain damage/mental health condition just magically disappears.

They should have either never had Arthur with that condition or stuck with it to the very end, because it just became redundant.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 11/4/2019, 4:41 AM
@JonAwesome - That's one way of looking at it, but I also think that's pretty silly for a movie that isn't meant to be silly at all.

It would probably work if Joker suggested Arthur had dissociative identity disorder or having more than one personality, but it doesn't. At best he's got a form of depression, a form of anxiety, brain damage/PTSD and is prone to strong hallucinations. If you take the "none of it was real" route he still kills the psychiatrist at the end. And Joker is about Arthur's transformation, not another personality emerging from Arthur.

Now that I think about it, DID could have probably worked a lot better in this case, and the sudden disappearance of the laughter could be better explained.
Argetlam22
Argetlam22 - 11/4/2019, 5:04 AM
@manofillintent1 - When you really think about it, none of this movie makes any [frick]ing sense.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 11/4/2019, 3:22 AM
I don’t even care, I prefer the makeup look of Phoenix and Ledger’s Joker to the bleached skin look from the comics.
Argetlam22
Argetlam22 - 11/4/2019, 5:11 AM
@PlusUltra - The bleached skin look is a scar, a reminder of the night when Batman accidentally created his own nemesis. He fell into a chemical vat and was "reborn" remember? It wasn't his choice to go full Michael Jackson, he was just making the most of a humiliating series of events. And that one bad night gave him the motivation to become the antithesis to the Dark Knight, literally the whole reason his character was invented.
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 11/4/2019, 8:50 AM
Arthur Fleck looks so menacing with pure white make-up. Makes me wonder what his Joker would look like by the time Batman shows up.

I think Arthur Fleck is younger than Juaquin Phoenix is. Having a 60-year-old Joker would be weird.
Battabing
Battabing - 11/4/2019, 9:25 AM
This movie may hit $1B by next weekend, and without ever having to suck that China cock!
Jeezus!
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/4/2019, 11:17 AM
This dude is the first confirmed MODERN FURRY lol
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