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Saga
Saga - 5/29/2019, 7:25 AM
I like Johns a lot but he was way over his head with this book.
MaximusTheMad
MaximusTheMad - 5/29/2019, 7:58 AM
@Saga -

I agree.

Johns is trying to tell a Jonathan Hickman type story in 12 issues.

Hickman's stories usually span entire 40-issue runs.

There in lies the problem.
tmp3
tmp3 - 5/29/2019, 7:33 AM
Prediction: Lindelof's HBO show will be a way better Watchmen follow-up than this.
FleischerSupes
FleischerSupes - 5/29/2019, 7:33 AM
Well it's ambitious. It's clear that Johns has respect for the material. I've seen worse reboots and retcons.
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 5/29/2019, 7:38 AM
Almost half of these happened in Doomsday Clock #9?
rabid
rabid - 5/29/2019, 7:40 AM
I appreciate the sentiment behind this book and it's not the worst idea, but the writing is far too disjointed to make sense, and the delays are inexcusable. Whatever great ideas they had here got wasted in the execution.
newmutantsRETURNS
newmutantsRETURNS - 5/29/2019, 8:02 AM
@rabid - i agree..the wait time is inexcusable..
noahthegrand
noahthegrand - 5/30/2019, 2:04 AM
@rabid - I read all ten issues for the first time today at once and the story flows a lot better than my friends who have read each issue individually
rabid
rabid - 5/30/2019, 7:23 AM
@noahthegrand - I reread yesterday, and I only enjoyed the last two issues. There are so many scenes that are unnecessary and dont serve the plot at all. Like what's the point of Carver Coleman at all? Mime and Marionette? It's just dragging out the story, but making it boring instead of epic.
noahthegrand
noahthegrand - 5/30/2019, 10:27 AM
@rabid - i see Coleman like the Black Freigter in Watchmen.
rabid
rabid - 5/30/2019, 1:40 PM
@noahthegrand - Yeah, I got that. It just felt clunky and doesn't really relate to the main story. Black Freighter always kind of paralleled the events of each issue
thesuperbrando
thesuperbrando - 5/29/2019, 7:46 AM
This is the coolest [frick]ing comic book to come out in a long time.
Lostcause
Lostcause - 5/29/2019, 8:05 AM
@thesuperbrando - I'm hooked.
newmutantsRETURNS
newmutantsRETURNS - 5/29/2019, 8:01 AM
This is an incredible read.. cant wait to see where this goes...until the next company wide retcon which always happens in DC unfortunately.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/29/2019, 8:16 AM
@newmutantsRETURNS - This is what always bothered me about DC. The constant retcons and reboots. Every Crisis story had to change a ton stuff.

Then when the New 52 came out the whole reason was to streamline everything to make it more accessible. Then what did they do a little over a year later? Reintroduced the Multiverse and went right back to screwing up the continuity again. Now look where we are. A story that, by all looks of things, is about to make the most convoluted DC continuity we've ever seen by bringing back every version of the DCU in history.

It just seems silly.
Armageddon26
Armageddon26 - 5/29/2019, 8:03 AM
Ambitious...that’s about all I can say about it
Lostcause
Lostcause - 5/29/2019, 8:06 AM
I love it thus far! Got my $$$ on it.
blackandyellow
blackandyellow - 5/29/2019, 8:12 AM
It was brilliant the way Johns weaved the past 80 years together. The richest comic book I've read since Morrison's Pax Americana issue of Multiversity.
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 5/29/2019, 1:17 PM
@blackandyellow - Which was a much better Watchmen book.
Bokis
Bokis - 5/29/2019, 8:42 AM
I have not read any of Doomsday clock but this was a really well written article! Good job, Josh!
FlixMentallo21
FlixMentallo21 - 5/29/2019, 9:39 AM
......And yet again, THIS is why I hate Watchmen.
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 5/29/2019, 1:18 PM
@FlixMentallo21 - This is not Watchmen. This is a cash in.
FlixMentallo21
FlixMentallo21 - 5/29/2019, 1:20 PM
@GwenLantern - I meant Watchmen anything, so anything even associated with it.
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 5/29/2019, 1:39 PM
@FlixMentallo21 - Oh you mean the Watchmen franchise.

Hhrr…

No such thing.
Vandalore
Vandalore - 5/29/2019, 2:36 PM
@FlixMentallo21 - the only real Watchmen book is the original. Anything beyond those original 12 Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons issues is just fan fiction and inconsequential. But the original Watchmen is a masterpiece and I'll slap fight anyone who tries to claim otherwise. But everything else is hogwash and easily dismissable.
Vocloz
Vocloz - 5/29/2019, 9:39 AM
I'm a huge fan. The delays are annoying, but it's worth the wait.
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 5/29/2019, 9:42 AM
Wait, I'm confused. How did Manhattan create the New 52 universe? I thought Barry did that when he fixed the Flashpoint timeline.
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 5/29/2019, 1:19 PM
@Nightwing1015 - Right? None of this actually tallies.
Vandalore
Vandalore - 5/29/2019, 2:37 PM
@Nightwing1015 - retcons. Retcons out the wazoo!
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 5/29/2019, 9:45 AM
Seriously though, I don't think fans will embrace yet another universe reboot. We keep getting reboots and relaunches. They should happen once every 15-20 years. The gap between Crisis and New 52 was pretty good.
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 5/29/2019, 1:23 PM
@Nightwing1015 - It was 9 years between Crisis and Zero Hour, 11 years between Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis and only 6 years between Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint It has now been 8 years since Flashpoint. So we are actually due another reboot.

There were a good two decades between Pre-Crisis Earth 2 and Pre-Crisis Earth 1, though.
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 5/29/2019, 3:16 PM
@GwenLantern - I'm not counting Infinite Crisis though because (correct me if I'm mistaken) it didn't reboot the universe. I'm pretty sure the New Earth versions of the characters existed for 26 years. For example, the DC Wikia shows the New Earth version of Batman existed from 1985-2011:
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Batman
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 5/30/2019, 1:09 AM
@Nightwing1015 - Yeah it depends what they mean by "version". Both Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis rebooted the continuity, but the new characters and the universe weren't so noticeably different. They were essentially the same.

Except for little things like the murder of the Waynes. Post-Crisis had them murdered by Joe Chill, who Batman then confronts in his second year as the caped crusader. Post-Zero Hour had Metallo kill the Waynes and Batman only found out about it late into his career. Post-Infinite Crisis it was back to Joe Chill again.
Also Robin joined by Batman in his third year Post-Crisis but in his sixth year post-Zero Hour. Things like that.

But Crisis and Flashpoint are much bigger reboots. Lots of new origins and number ones. New looks, etc. So it's easy to forget the smaller scale reboots.

Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 5/30/2019, 4:54 AM
@GwenLantern - Interesting. Do you consider 2016's DC Rebirth a smaller scale reboot? It did relaunch many comic series but kept the same continuity. If that counts, we aren't due another reboot for another few years.
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