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rexlincoln
rexlincoln - 7/24/2019, 2:06 AM
Oooooooh
tmp3
tmp3 - 7/24/2019, 2:29 AM
This and Dune are both big science fiction epics out the same month, but one just wrapped and the other only started filming. Granted this is probably gonna be less VFX-heavy.
parkerray
parkerray - 7/24/2019, 2:34 AM
Outside of general trust in Marvel Studios, Kirby love, being excited for the unknown, or wanting to see Celestials, anybody have any more specific reasons why you're excited for this movie?

I was going to look into an Eternals book to read, but then these character descriptions seem pretty distant from what was in the comics. These characters seem unrelatable and a bit dull so far. I'm still looking for something to pull me in the way a talking tree, cyborg raccoon, most deadly assassin in the universe, or even the more common alien whose entire family was murdered.
tmp3
tmp3 - 7/24/2019, 2:37 AM
@parkerray - I don't know shit about The Eternals, but I really like Chloe Zhao as a film-maker. The Rider was great. This is like when they got Taika or Coogler; I was a big fan of their previous works too.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 7/24/2019, 2:43 AM
@parkerray - I wrote a thing below that presents an angle of why this movie could be special. (The movie may not really go in that direction, though. It just struck me based on the Kirby run rattling around in my head and still mulling the Hall H presentation.)
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 7/24/2019, 2:49 AM
@tmp3 - Waititi's and Coogler's previous works have had some degree of father issues (in coming to understand their flaws and surpassing them, more or less) that I think directly applied to their Marvel movies (and effectively).

I don't think I've seen any of Zhao's work. Are there any particularly potent themes that seem similarly to mesh with Eternals? (Or at least my little rant below about community?) I know as little about her as you say you know about Eternals. :)
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 7/24/2019, 2:55 AM
And I've been meaning to say to you, @tmp3, that I feel like I've been too dismissive toward you lately. Something has been rubbing me the wrong way and for whatever reason, and for the past few weeks or months when I read you talking about more artsy kinds of movies or Oscar stuff, it's been a trigger for some kind of pressure valve and I feel like I've taken it out on you and I shouldn't.

I honestly don't know what it is that's been rubbing me the wrong way, but I sincerely apologize if you have felt personally insulted by it. I can be a dick sometimes.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 7/24/2019, 2:56 AM
I still hate the Oscars and everything they represent, though.
tmp3
tmp3 - 7/24/2019, 3:05 AM
@Spock0Clock - Aww, thanks for saying that buddy :)
I've only seen The Rider from Zhao, but it's incredibly thematically potent. It deals with what it means to be a man, how much your identity defines who you are, and how to move on from having that stripped from you. There's a real sense of family there too - aided by the entire cast being a family of non-actors. I guess those sensibilities would make her a great fit for this property. It's also a beautiful looking movie:
parkerray
parkerray - 7/24/2019, 3:39 AM
@Spock0Clock - @tmp3 -

Glad to hear some input about their unique themes from the comics and the creators hired, thanks. I'm fading a bit, but after looking up Zhao and the Rider, and a little about Kirby's source material, the one thought I'm left with is that this is by far the biggest challenge any writers have been tasked with by Marvel. Will be interesting to see if/how they can take weighty themes and abstractions and make them concrete and pressing for the average MCU fan.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 7/24/2019, 4:29 AM
@parkerray -
Never had an interest in the Eternals. The movie does not interest me either. None of the characters seem interesting and it seems like they are trying to appeal via film stars and 'diversity' rather than making the characters sound interesting.

They want this to be another 'GotG' but that primarily worked because of the writing, directing and exploration of the MCU - whereas Eternals is unlikely to have an effect on the series as a whole other than backstory for the Deviants (Skrulls)

The attempts i have made to look into the source material makes me feel like this is another attempt to just create more female heroes for an eventual A-Force movie (Or an A-Force style Eternals spin-off) Three of the characters have been sex-swapped for the new movie and it feels forced.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 7/24/2019, 2:42 AM
I really want to see some costumes.

Lately, as much as I love superheroes, I have been preoccupied with their thematic framework (both as expressions of capitalistic corporate values and potentially a very narrow conception of antisocial individualism implied by vigilantism).

And it struck me that in Kirby's messy way, the Eternals are a pretty broad rejection of both (the former only to the extent that you can reject the corporate framework from within it).

The Eternals are not individualists. They are decidedly communal, either in their conflict against Deviants or their efforts to serve (and sometimes resist) the Celestials who created them. The ultimate expression of that communal nature is the Uni-Mind: literally all Eternals combining together into a single consciousness that is far more powerful than any individual Eternal.

And I think this is part of why I didn't care for Gaiman's revamp. He tried to emphasize the individual Eternal through their own desires and drives (and amnesia), but what makes them special is that (near) unity of purpose. The X-Men sort of have that as they pursue the MLX Dream, but they are always balancing their individuality against that team spirit. The Eternals were built for this. And Feige's / Zhao's take on them (in being so aggressively diverse) suggests that there may be some kernal of that in the movie adaptation. Having them reflect as wide a swathe of humanity as possible to send the direct message that they (and we) are all one people and we're stronger together than apart. I think we kind of need that message hammered home right now.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 7/24/2019, 2:50 AM
@Spock0Clock - I'm not sure I understood what you wrote here but it sounds smart so I'm gonna like it.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 7/24/2019, 2:57 AM
@DnA - It's kind of nebulous in my head right now. Give me a few more drafts and maybe it will be clearer.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 7/24/2019, 3:05 AM
It was that Punisher/Police Union story a few days ago (and maybe a YouTube video essay, I can't remember) that got under my skin. The idea of brand-labeled expressions of anti-social behavior. It's not new, Guy Fawkes masks and anarchy A's and whatnot, but having it be a manufactured product by a corporate entity bugs me. (Similar to the Joker/Taxi Driver movie may deeply concern me.)

Superheroes tend to be prosocial, but they are prosocial as individuals. We don't have a lot of fiction organizations that are worthy and good, where the protagonists make their moral choices within that worthy and good structure. Starfleet is one of them, most of the time. But superheroes in particular tend to reject or be skeptical of institutions (at least institutions beyond Fast and Furious-style "Family"). Just a nagging thing.
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