FANTASTIC FOUR Star Michael Chiklis Defends Much-Maligned Mid-2000s Movies: "A Lot Of [Critics] Got It Wrong"

FANTASTIC FOUR Star Michael Chiklis Defends Much-Maligned Mid-2000s Movies: "A Lot Of [Critics] Got It Wrong"

Fantastic Four star Michael Chiklis has defended the movies he starred in with Ioan Gruffudd, Chris Evans, and Jessica Alba, arguing that critics got it wrong with their take on the mid-2000s blockbusters.

By JoshWilding - Aug 12, 2025 05:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four
Source: Collider

Michael Chiklis played Ben Grimm, a.k.a. The Thing, in 2005's Fantastic Four and its 2007 sequel, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. They were moderate successes, but are widely regarded as a disappointing take on Marvel's First Family. 

Both movies have reentered the conversation thanks to the release of The Fantastic Four: First Steps from Marvel Studios, with plenty of younger fans discovering them for the first time. The discourse surrounding them has softened, with some enjoying that cheesier take on the team.

Talking to Collider, Chiklis reflected on his time as part of the Fantastic Four franchise and defended the movies. "There were a lot of people, I think, critically who got it wrong," the actor said. "They really maligned our films, and they were very underrated considering they were very loved by the audience."

"It was one of those cases where critics weren’t great to those films, but the audience was, and that still remains," Chiklis continued. "I’ve always sort of quietly gone like, 'Okay, say what you want to say, but the people see it.' And now all these years later, people are sort of acknowledging like, hey, these films are family-friendly, fun movies, they got a lot right. They may be imperfect, but they’re really good movies."

Chiklis is right that neither movie received positive reviews, as Fantastic Four has 28% on Rotten Tomatoes, with the sequel sitting at a slightly better, but still "Rotten," 37%. He'd later point out that, regardless of the reviews, both movies found success at the box office. 

"We made three quarters of $1 billion, those two movies," Chiklis noted. "So, you know, all those people can’t be completely out of their minds, you know what I mean?"

Fantastic Four and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver made a combined $635.4 million, but 20th Century Fox decided against moving forward with a threequel. The characters were then benched until 2015's Fantastic Four reboot, which bombed with $167.9 million worldwide. 

Recently, Mister Fantastic actor Ioan Gruffudd opened up on the fact that a third instalment never happened. "The mindset was that we were going to do three, and I think the second movie was equally successful as the first and equally enjoyable for the fans," he explained. "I particularly loved working with Doug Jones [as the Silver Surfer] on that movie, who’s just a terrific artist and an expert in the field of movement."

"If you want to witness somebody bringing a character to life physically, he’s just untouchable. So there was definitely that sort of momentum, and the plan was to do three movies, but these decisions are beyond my control," Gruffudd added. 

Do you agree that these Fantastic Four movies from the mid-2000s are underrated? Let us know your thoughts in the comments section.

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Gambito
Gambito - 8/12/2025, 5:47 AM
Underrated for sure! The cast were the best part they had great rapport and great surfer
Too late for a cgi cameo in doomsday ???
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 8/12/2025, 6:18 AM
@Gambito - Folks can point-and-laugh to their heart's desire at FF 2007 (and "yes", the 'Galactus-Cloud' was ridiculous!) but they got the Silver Surfer right. And TBH, Ioan Gruffudd looked closer to a comic-accurate Reed Richards than the Machismo' Stache guy ever could. 🤨
dragon316
dragon316 - 8/12/2025, 8:35 AM
@Gambito - great comedy with Johnny
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 8/12/2025, 9:46 AM
@Gambito - Those movies were fun and the cast did a great job. They felt like true Fantastic Four films despite their problems. And Jones and Fishborn killed it as the SS in the second one. RIP Julian. He nailed Doom arrogance
Mrnorth1921
Mrnorth1921 - 8/12/2025, 5:48 AM
The movies were far from perfect. Corny and dated. But at least they tried with what they had. They tried to capture what made the comics work. Did they succeed? No. But I respect them nevertheless for what they did. Say what you will about this films. I think Michael and Chris played the definitive Johnny and Ben Grimm.

Mind you! I loved the 2025 adaptation. However I felt Ben and Johnny’s portrays were good. They felt flat to me.
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 8/12/2025, 6:37 AM
@Mrnorth1921 - Did they try though? Because when I think of Fantastic Four comics, I think some of the most out there story premises there are, while the movies acted like Doom being a foreign tyrant with super-armor would have been too much.
dragon316
dragon316 - 8/12/2025, 8:37 AM
@FinnishDude - you talking about movie or comics it’s same with comics goood vs bad goood wins all time bad want rule world/ kill hero’s goood wins
Fogs
Fogs - 8/12/2025, 5:59 AM
The movies were good for the time. They have that mid-2000s vibe just like many others.

The Surfer was perfect.
DenvertheDino
DenvertheDino - 8/12/2025, 6:02 AM
I just watched these again with my kids after watching the new one. The 2005/2007 versions are a lot of fun. I prefer them to the new one.
dragon316
dragon316 - 8/12/2025, 8:38 AM
@DenvertheDino - same here there entertaining fun to watch
JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 8/12/2025, 10:25 AM
@DenvertheDino - most non-Disney shills do. At least there's a heartbeat to them.
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 8/12/2025, 6:34 AM
I'm not saying that those movies got nothing right. The sitcom-y tone wasn't unfitting of the material and both Chiklis and Evans were cast well. But, in turn, both Alba and McMahon were beyond miscast, the scripts weren't very good and for movies called *Fantastic* Four, they were very shy of every single sci-fantsy element from the comics.
Canyoublush
Canyoublush - 8/12/2025, 7:27 AM
@FinnishDude - 100% straight facts. I couldn’t agree more.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 8/12/2025, 6:41 AM
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BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 8/12/2025, 7:01 AM
I still say aside from getting Doom wrong in the first one, those films are more comic accurate than people want to admit. They're fun.
dragon316
dragon316 - 8/12/2025, 8:39 AM
@BritishMonkey - dam right they are somewhat accurate with certain characters
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 8/12/2025, 2:11 PM
@dragon316 - The Doom stealing Surfer's board is a plot straight from the comics as well.
DS616
DS616 - 8/12/2025, 7:27 AM
"They are widely regarded as a disappointing take on Marvel's First Family."

This is complete nonsense. Both movies got the Fantastic Four right on the exact same level the Raimi Spider-Man movies did, AKA fun movies but not pitch-perfect comic accurate. It's always been such laughably pathetic hypocrisy seeing people overpraising one franchise while cluelessly trashing the other.

These movies did countless things better than First Steps did, and were financially more successful than 75% of all the other Marvel movies that decade, let alone were infinitely better movies than all of them as well.
Irregular
Irregular - 8/12/2025, 9:07 AM
@DS616 - "Both movies got the Fantastic Four right on the exact same level the Raimi Spider-Man movies did, AKA fun movies but not pitch-perfect comic accurate."

Both Spider-Man 1 & 2 we're box office giants in 2002-2004. Fantastic Four never even came close to $60 million for an opening weekend POST JULY 4TH. One of the busiest weekends of the summer and with the exact amount of theaters Spider-Man had in 2002 and wasn't even cracking what Hulk did in 2003. It didn't even beat Batman Begins for overall box office in 2005. And that was a movie that was trying to help you forget that Batman & Robin existed in 97. So it already had a lot of negativity behind it.

You clearly have no idea wtf you are talking about.
DS616
DS616 - 8/12/2025, 9:40 AM
@Irregular - OOF you took your scary-dumb clueless trolling to another level with that one. Let's effortlessly destroy it all using actual facts and basic common sense...

- Big massive spoilers: The Fantastic Four have objectively never been anywhere near in the same stratosphere as Spider-Man with the masses. The first Raimi Spier-Man movie could've been written and directed by Uwe Boll and it still would've outgrossed any Fantastic Four movie by default.

- Both F4 movies outgrossed the 2003 Hulk, maybe next time try a 3 second google search before painfully embarrassing yourself yet again. And FYI, F4 accomplished that twice despite the Hulk character having infinitely higher worldwide brand awareness for decades, it's almost as if people voted with their wallets and watched the far better movies.

- Third bullet point now having to repeat the same general statement yet again: AKA you're a complete and utter moron who genuinely just tried to state that a Fantastic Four movie should've been more popular than a ***BATMAN*** film 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Game Over, failed troll. Better luck next time 👋

lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/12/2025, 9:57 AM
@DS616 - I definitely wouldn't put them on the same level as Raimi's Spiderman films (especially part 2) but I do agree with your overall assessment.
Irregular
Irregular - 8/12/2025, 9:58 AM
@DS616 - "Big massive spoilers: The Fantastic Four have objectively never been anywhere near in the same stratosphere as Spider-Man with the masses"

Ohhhhh so you're contradicting yourself now? Because earlier you just put them on the same stratosphere when you said "Both movies got the Fantastic Four right on the exact same level the Raimi Spider-Man movies did" so either you're totally incompetent to remember what you said, or you're grasping at straws by resorting inadvertent hypocrisy.

"Both F4 movies outgrossed the 2003 Hulk, you're a complete and utter moron who genuinely just tried to state that a Fantastic Four movie should've been more popular than a ***BATMAN*** film"

Do you know how to read? Do you know how much Hulk made opening weekend compared to Fantastic Four? Also do you not remember Batman & Robin? Oh, right. Of course you don't. You weren't even alive around that time.

Fantastic Four 2005: $56,061,504
Hulk 2003: $62,128,420
Batman Begins: $48,745,440

And this isn't even made up. This is Box Office Mojo going by it's "Original Release" for opening weekend domestically. Actually bring facts little dude.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3510994433/?ref_=bo_gr_rls
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3662710273/weekend/?ref_=bo_rl_tab#tabs
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2488829441/weekend/?ref_=bo_rl_tab#tabs
AC1
AC1 - 8/12/2025, 7:33 AM
The first was goofy and fun, I recently rewatched it (maybe a year ago?) and it was fine - it wasn't anything mind-blowing, spectacular, or anything like that but it wasn't trying to be.

The second movie was more of a mess, kinda all over the place and a lot less enjoyable/rewatchable. But the Doug Jones/Lawrence Fishburn combo bringing Silver Surfer to life was a real highlight of that movie, even with all its problems.

But all in all I think First Steps really delivered in a way those movies couldn't. Had a few little problems but overall a fantastic reintroduction to the team and a number of the concepts related to them and the wider cosmic side of Marvel.
theFUZZ008
theFUZZ008 - 8/12/2025, 7:58 AM
Oh, we’re doing alternate histories again.
mountainman
mountainman - 8/12/2025, 8:11 AM
Not personally a fan of these movies, but they would definitely had scored about 28% and 37% if released in the 2010’s or 2020’s. Back then, superhero movies were much more criticized by critics.
dragon316
dragon316 - 8/12/2025, 8:43 AM
@mountainman - some still are depending movie
mountainman
mountainman - 8/12/2025, 8:55 AM
@dragon316 - Understood, but it seems more rare for hero movies to score that low.

For example, I think the first Fantastic Four is a better movie than Cap 4, but it had less than half the RT score.
DS616
DS616 - 8/12/2025, 10:55 AM
@Irregular - You are legitimately the single dumbest/most self-exposing troll dunce i've ever encountered.

"Spider-Man is an *infinitely* more popular character than the Fantastic Four with mass audiences and always has been"

"The 2000's Fantastic Four and Spider-Man movies were comic-accurate/character-accurate to the relatively same degree. Fact".

Where's the "contradiction" there, illiterate basement-dweller? LOL

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And *you* objectively can't read whatsoever. I just told you exactly why Hulk made more in the opening weekend yet DIDN'T gross more TOTAL because Fantastic Four was clearly the far better movie. How do you repeatedly fail at trolling this badly?

P.S. I saw all of these movies when they originally released, not that it matters whatsoever since these are all inarguable facts regardless but thought i'd mention it since you keep bizarrely/cluelessly bringing up age as if you somehow thought your record-setting failed trollfest here was going to be validated by..... being older??? LOL the f'n weirdo neckbeards out there.

Keep playing and keep effortlessly losing forever.
kazuma
kazuma - 8/12/2025, 10:03 AM
I rewatched all the F4 films (backwards for some reason), after seeing First Steps and I think they're all good and do thing better than each other.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/12/2025, 10:03 AM
Idk if I would call the Story films “good” but I do think they are better then given credit for (atleast in comparison to the 2015 version).

They have elements that I enjoy such as the Ben & Johnny dynamic or Silver Surfer in the sequel but I’m unsure if as a whole they work as well.

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Anyway, it’s interesting how much revisionism is happening with some of these past movies such as these and the Andrew Garfield films with more people coming to their defense which just shows how fickle fans can be.
JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 8/12/2025, 10:23 AM
both of those movies are better than what Disney churned out. not even close. At least Fox got the casting right. Disney did a better Galactus and then dropped the ball on that too.
ThorArms
ThorArms - 8/12/2025, 10:42 AM
@JacobsLadder - Not even close? Those F4 movies are pretty damn bad.
JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 8/12/2025, 10:53 AM
@ThorArms - I didn't say there were good. I said they were better than that Disney slop and I stand by it. IMO it's not even close.
ThorArms
ThorArms - 8/12/2025, 10:43 AM
Anyone trying to pretend these movies are good is lying to themselves.

Nostalgia is eating at you.
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 8/12/2025, 11:14 AM
Rise of the Silver Surfer is a real fun movie. It's a far more fun movie than Disney's Marvel's Fantastic Sue and Her Three Buddies.

The problem with all the FOX Marvel movies was Tom Rothman. He's the reason why the X-Men never wore their classic costumes or that we never got a great showing of their powers on screen, and he's the reason why Galactus was a space cloud instead of Galactus. That dude is the worst.

Still though, the casting for Fox's FF movies is much better than Disney's Marvel's Fantastic Sue and Her Three Buddies, and yes, I say that even knowing Jessica Alba's... limitations.
Spike101
Spike101 - 8/12/2025, 11:16 AM
Aside from the cloud I thought these movies were pretty good around and given the option I’d watch either of them again over Marvel’s (Disney’s) own offering. When Disney brought Marvel I said they would ruin it and they have.
SummersEssex
SummersEssex - 8/12/2025, 11:18 AM
These movies were fine. Second one was definitely better than the first.
Arthorious
Arthorious - 8/12/2025, 11:39 AM
Ben's fiancee (or was it his wife) leaving her ring after he saved some people was a gut punch. While the movie was alright, I definitely enjoyed the cast.
DS616
DS616 - 8/12/2025, 1:34 PM
@AnEye - I think I don't give two craps what any of the terminally-online dorks here think.
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