@SpideyPuffsMJ - I still stand by my theory that she's the Ego of this movie; seems nice at first, mainly through her relationship to her offspring, but is revealed to be evil later on.

@FleischerSupes - Sorry, does not seem to fit here, at least as far as the movies go. These are all movies that make sense with major heroes. These are not two or three Harley movies, two different Joker movies with two different Jokers. A lot of other potential DC projects do look like seeing what sticks, but not these IMHO.

@aflynn - A lot of that is just because he wrote books they based their movies on.

@johnnymarr - No he was brought in late on the GL movie for hopes of helping with upcoming damage control. The writers did take influence from some of he comics though. The whole mess lay squarely with the cheesy direction of Martin Campbell (Great Bond director but doesn't get modern superhero/comicbook movies) and the awful re-writes by Michael Goldenberg

@aflynn - Yeah. Judging by Green Lantern and Justice Lantern, for some reason, his ideas doesn't translate that well to the big screen.

@Tevii - WB is undoubtedly responsible for all the bad decisions, but Johns was/is part of the problem.

@Tevii - Superman wasn't darker in the DC Films, though. He lived in a world that resembles ours, which is dark, but at his core, he was simply a man who wanted to use his abilities to help others, like his mother taught him.

He would feel discouraged (because he lived in a world where if he so much as used his abilities to help change a tire, he would put his family and friends at risk of being arrested for treason or worse for their connection to him) and he fell into absolute despair (when Lex convinced him and almost the entire world that he was doing more harm than good and the world would be safer and better off without him,) but he overcame those obstacles to be there for those that needed him and to find hope in absolute despair. Best of all, he wasn't a caricature of himself for any of this. It wasn't in conception or storytelling.

It was in presentation where the problem lies. You can't show people a scene of Martha Kent telling her son he has the ability to make the world a better place (“The world’s too big mom.” “Then make it small.”) without telling the audience that this is Clark's moment and expect everyone to recognize that. As much as I love Snyder's films, presenting a story with limited dialogue is his greatest weakness as much as it is his greatest strength. Snyder's films were as something they were not, because of this, and dismissed by the larger part of the general audience who didn't truly know what they were rejecting.

Sadly, Johns stepped in to help too late. Warner Bros. had no confidence in Wonder Woman, planning on lifting the embargo three days before the release, yet its positive reception (due to Geoff Johns and Patty Jenkins’ efforts in making Snyder's vision more accessible to a wider audience) surprised them. Unfortunately, by then Snyder and Johns were removed from Justice League, Joss Whedon was hired, and the rest is a tragic history.