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ReverseFlasher
ReverseFlasher - 2/22/2021, 10:34 AM
The opening robber on the rooftop was AWFUL, i literally thought it was a joke or something for the first minute or two.
BornToLose
BornToLose - 2/22/2021, 10:37 AM
@ReverseFlasher - as soon as I watched that scene opening night, I remember thinking oh no... this is going to be bad.

Little did I know that I was still underestimating how bad it could be til the “something is definitely bleeding” line. Yikes.
aresww3
aresww3 - 2/22/2021, 10:40 AM
@ReverseFlasher - And in other news water is wet.

mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 2/22/2021, 10:59 AM
@ReverseFlasher - Not defending Whedon, but if Whedon's reshoots were a piece of shit...what does that mean for Snyder's cut? Becuz if Snyder's Cut was trash and they hired another director to fix it and the overall product is still trash......that can only mean Snyder's Cut is going to be worst or am I missing something?
madhombre
madhombre - 2/22/2021, 11:03 AM
@mastakilla39 - Yes.
You are missing that WB Executives panicking after seeing the Snyder Cut as “too dark” and they just wanted to add comedy so they can get MCU type $$$.
Chasekeane
Chasekeane - 2/22/2021, 11:04 AM
@mastakilla39 - Hmm i think its more like a baker started mixing a cake, but left before it was finished because of a family tragedy, so they got another baker to come in and randomly add some ingredients before putting it in the oven. The cake was a disaster. Now the first baker might have made a great cake, but the cake he made before wasn't that good, and maybe some of his testers weren't up to snuff.
Vanillain
Vanillain - 2/22/2021, 11:21 AM
@Chasekeane - The closest food analogy I can think of is:

Snyder baked a cake in Nailed It. Then his cake was used in Chopped as Whedon's basket ingredient. Neither one of them won $10,000.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 2/22/2021, 11:33 AM
@madhombre - I mean this new cut is "Rated R" so that's a huge problem already. Even if was hard pg-13 that's extreme knowing the "family potential" superhero films are made for.

@Chasekeane - To my knowledge zack snyder finished a workprint of the film that was 4 hrs long. It was just missing cgi, dialogue reshoots, and music. Besides that it was mostly done. So its more like he finished a cake just didn't have time to put on the frosting. So if a bunch of millionaire producers said the cake already tasted weird...the frostings wouldn't save it either way. But everyone does have different taste buds so....

@Vanillain - I'm skeptical he "nailed it" because nobody was onboard to save this film. Only reason this version came out is At&T needed new content for HBO Max and Covid hit. Since they couldn't shoot anything "new" it was more cost efficient to finish this film rather than spending shooting something new with that budget. If Covid never hit this film would've been buried for 20 - 30 yrs like Donnor's Superman 2 or Scott's Blade Runner.
tylerzero
tylerzero - 2/22/2021, 11:39 AM
@ReverseFlasher - That scene was a complete waste of Holt McCallany's talent.
Vanillain
Vanillain - 2/22/2021, 11:45 AM
@mastakilla39 - The show Nailed It, barely (if ever) have any contestants actually nail it. It's a show where the entertainment is on the contestants' hilarious and horrendous butchery of baked goods.
Itwasme
Itwasme - 2/22/2021, 12:22 PM
@mastakilla39 - the reports around Snyder's initial cut were that it was "unwatchable." Sobieski, if those are to be believed the Whedon cut could still be better when called a POS.
BornToLose
BornToLose - 2/22/2021, 10:35 AM
Zero surprise here. Hate Snyder all you want but WB pretty much made the worst business decisions when it came to JL. They should have just let Snyder finish his film and then transition the would be franchise to another creative if needed.
inkniron
inkniron - 2/22/2021, 10:39 AM
@BornToLose - Conversely, they should have fired him after BvS and given someone else the opportunity to try and salvage the travesty before they wasted a bloated budget on his "vision" of JL.
BornToLose
BornToLose - 2/22/2021, 10:43 AM
@inkniron - a few things:

1) I disagree obviously because I like BvS. It’s not perfect but I enjoyed it quite a lot

2) JL was already shooting by the time BvS came out

3) What WB should have done is make sure they’re good with green lighting JL before BvS came out. Instead they cut out a pretty crucial 30 minutes from BvS and tried to “course-correct” JL mid production.

It’s laughable that this is a major studio fumbling this hard
inkniron
inkniron - 2/22/2021, 10:51 AM
@BornToLose - No, it didn't start filming until April. pre production had started, but they weren't so far down that rabbit hole that they could have stopped the madness after the week 2 drop in tickets.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. 3hr movies released in theaters are rare air, gross restrictive and usually given when earned. Snyder's never put anything out to instill that kind of trust. The overstuffed 3hrs is on him, not the studio.
BornToLose
BornToLose - 2/22/2021, 11:06 AM
@inkniron - the machine was already running and it would have been a huge overhaul to stop the film. I do agree that WB should have halted it if they were gonna cut Snyder loose.

Also, laugh all you want but Snyder isn’t thinking about how stuffed a 3 hour film is - he’s simply making the film he wants. WB saw the script, they were aware of the length, it’s their fault for green lighting it in the first place.
Blergh
Blergh - 2/22/2021, 11:29 AM
@BornToLose - They all are to blame, obviously.
And pretending that one party isn't as much or at all to blame is lying to yourself.

Snyder made a movie WB deemed not good enough to fully commit to.
WB greenlit a movie that should have raised warning flags.
Whedon finished a movie that was terrible.

So what's the gist? Too many cooks during production, not enough cooks during pre-production.

Truth be told it's on all of them.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/22/2021, 12:54 PM
@BornToLose -
Yea, it's on the studio and not really Snyder. They hired him, they greenlit all the scripts and then changed thier mind mid stream.
Battabing
Battabing - 2/22/2021, 10:36 AM
Why does this story keep changing?
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/22/2021, 10:45 AM
@Battabing - because now the big reveal has come we get the flashbacks

It was Jossy Whedon all along
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 2/22/2021, 10:47 AM
@Battabing - because now that Snyder gets to do his version, and let’s be clear, this isn’t what his version was going to be originally, he gets to pretend things went differently so he looks like the victim in all this.
RageDriver2401
RageDriver2401 - 2/22/2021, 10:49 AM
@Battabing - because now that it's common knowledge that Whedon is a certified asswipe, it's easier to name him the architect of the entire debacle.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 2/22/2021, 11:06 AM
@Battabing - Different people are trying to shift the blame
BornToLose
BornToLose - 2/22/2021, 11:07 AM
@originalmrphil - the film coming is mostly what we were gonna get with only two days of filming additional footage. The bulk of the work was finishing VFX.
Blergh
Blergh - 2/22/2021, 11:17 AM
@Battabing - because now they have to shift the blame to Whedon so the Snyder Cut makes money. Easy to paint a man that already is branded a monster the sole villain in your story while the truth, probably, is that they all messed up.

Snyder who wrote a bad movie, WB who greenlit it and Whedon who finished it.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 2/22/2021, 11:44 AM
@Battabing - The story keeps changing because of marketing....next thing you know the movie is trash then AT&T is probably going to start releasing crap about Zack & Deborah Snyder's troubled production to blame them. Or maybe it comes out amazing and AT&T revives the Snyderverse...

Remember, History only favors the winners.
BlindAl9
BlindAl9 - 2/22/2021, 12:05 PM
@RageDriver2401 - thank you. I'm not defending the man but WB [frick]ed him over. He only chose to complete this movie because they offered him Batgirl and two shows on HBOMax
Battabing
Battabing - 2/22/2021, 12:55 PM
@MyCoolYoung -

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