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knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 5/28/2019, 6:53 AM
Elba is an amazing actor and would do great in the role IMO .... but a lot of would think other wise :/ ...... hopefully Craig ends his run strong .... he's literally one good ,one ok , so he's due another great bond film.
RebelCommander
RebelCommander - 5/28/2019, 1:44 PM
@knocturnalzen10 - I Like Edris as a James Bond, but honestly I think he's to old at this point. He's 46 right now, which means he'd probably be at least 50 by the time that the next movie comes out, and he wouldn't really have much viability as Bond for a several movie run at that point. I think they need to bring someone in who's young (and good at the job) who could do multiple movies over at least a 10 year stretch
KingLeonidas
KingLeonidas - 5/28/2019, 6:59 AM
Honest of him on Bond. Hemsworth is basically saying, "I am just another white guy. What could I possibly do that hasn't already been done in the role already."

I hear him. I like Edris but too old. What's the point of ditching Craig if you are getting just another old actor. I think the actor should be near about 35, so that they can do about a decade of Bond films.

And Craig's is fantastic shape, he could believably do 2 more if they wanted him to.
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 5/28/2019, 7:17 AM
@KingLeonidas - but i think he skips leg day cause they had a report of him injuring himself in a chase scene ......
KingLeonidas
KingLeonidas - 5/28/2019, 7:23 AM
@knocturnalzen10 - lol not on the evidence of Casino Royale. Most male stars would only dare knee length shorts but Craig rocked a speedo in that film no problem. ha! Jokes aside, he's getting injured but Cruise still runs like crazy at 56. So Craig could definitely pull off a few more.
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 5/28/2019, 7:45 AM
@KingLeonidas - that is so true , cause between Cruise and Reeves they're showing you can prolong father time. Craig was jacked in Casino Royale.
SethBullock
SethBullock - 5/28/2019, 7:47 PM
@KingLeonidas - I love Idris Elba, and if he was younger I wouldn't mind if he was chosen to be the new Bond (he is not too old yet, but next Bond movie after Craig's last could be too many years away from now, and he would also be needed for a few sequels), but I don't get the "I'm just another white guy" thing, James Bond has always been white, I don't see the problem with that, like I don't see the problem with a white Superman or a white Batman, or a problem with a black Blade or a black Luke Cage or Black Panther, and I don't see how making Bond black would change the character, Craig is blond and Brosnan or Connery had a black hair when they played Bond, but that didn't change the character, other factors did, but not the color of their hair, not sure why the color of his skin would change Bond, he is just a british superspy, he used to be played by white actors, he could be played by black actors, but it should still be the same character if it was played by Henry Cavill or by Idris Elba, I don't think that being played by a white or a black actor should make any difference storywise or characterwise.

"He is different because he is played by a black actor", ok, but how would that make Bond different besides having a different skin color? Should that have a significant impact in the story or the character? How and why? He should just be Bond imo, no matter the color of the skin, the eyes or the hair of the actor that plays him.
KingLeonidas
KingLeonidas - 5/28/2019, 8:17 PM
@KoolerThanJesus - while I agree, I think some progress is also nice, it reaffirms to the audience that it is keeping up with the times.

I think we have had 6 white men take a crack at him. I don't think it's so bad to give a black man a shot. It will bring something new to the franchise, something fresh, something we haven't seen before - a different dynamic, a different energy and it can also be a positive sign for the diverse audiences enjoying this franchise. Nothing in the core of the character will change, he will remain the bond we know and love, it will just be a bold new vision for the modern times.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 5/28/2019, 7:09 AM
A team-up between Chris and Chris would've been cool, but I think neither of them wants to return because of the pay-out.

And I'm one of those that's actually against Elba as Bond, I rather see him in an original role in the franchise.
theFUZZ008
theFUZZ008 - 5/28/2019, 7:18 AM
Enough with Idris Elba playing Bond.
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 5/28/2019, 7:39 AM
@theFUZZ008 - Agree. He doesn't want to play Bond either, so I don't see the point of people still suggesting it.
theFUZZ008
theFUZZ008 - 5/28/2019, 8:35 AM
@WakandanQueen - Absolutely, you're right on that point.
IAMJ0E
IAMJ0E - 5/28/2019, 7:19 AM
Hemsworth would be a great Bond.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 5/28/2019, 7:23 AM
An Australian Bond?

...I'm profoundly offended at the suggestion.
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 5/28/2019, 7:38 AM
Who on earth would suggest a non-English Bond?
TheUnworthyThor
TheUnworthyThor - 5/28/2019, 7:44 AM
I really want another Star Trek movie with that cast but it never made any sense to me to bring in Chris Hemsworth. It’s too bad because next year would have been the perfect time to release a Star Trek movie.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 5/28/2019, 8:00 AM
It seems like Star Trek 4 couldn’t realistically afford either Chris after the returns on the last one. Much like with Cavill’s Superman, that whole Trek cast is due raises after playing the characters that many times, and yet the box office returns would have the studio looking for ways to cut the budget, not expand it.

QuietStorm
QuietStorm - 5/28/2019, 8:01 AM
My vote for Bond

QuietStorm
QuietStorm - 5/28/2019, 8:10 AM
@QuietStorm - Or Janelle Monae. We'd have Bond Girls and Guys. Really get the internet in a tizzy with those choices.
Super12
Super12 - 5/28/2019, 8:29 AM
Ugh, not this Idris Elba stuff again. Half of it is just people virtue-signalling how not racist they are. Look, the more popular a character is the less change you can/should make to their physical appearance. The fanbase knows the character and wants to see them portrayed accurately. Superman should never, ever, ever be a red-head with freckles. Bruce Wayne should never, ever, ever be a blonde dude with green eyes. James Bond - one of the most popular characters out there - should not be dark-skinned. It's just not who that character is.

Idris Elba would be a phenomenal agent in a Bond film. Make him 008 and start a new franchise if you want something new, that'd be great! Just stop it with this race-changing nonsense.
KingLeonidas
KingLeonidas - 5/28/2019, 8:55 AM
@Super12 - There is absolutely nothing about Bond that prevents him from being a POC. Nothing. It is not a visual creation like a comic book character - it is basically a playboy spy. And a POC can be a playboy spy just as well as a white dude. So yeah, Bond can easily be POC.
Super12
Super12 - 5/28/2019, 9:48 AM
@KingLeonidas - Except for the fact that he's not a POC. In the books he's described as having blue eyes and black hair, and Fleming's commissioned drawing of him is a caucasian who looks like Hoagy Carmichael. Not to mention every single iteration of him on screen is as such. You'd have to completely detach yourself from reality to assume that this whole time Ian Fleming was describing a POC. He's an established character; we know who he is and generally what he looks like.
KingLeonidas
KingLeonidas - 5/28/2019, 10:07 AM
@Super12 - The characters in the movie is not even the Ian Fleming version anymore. It's taken on a life of its own. The setting isn't the same, the stories aren't the same, the character isn't the same. I have read the books. The Craig Bond is not what is described in the books. Neither was the Moore bond, nor the Lazenby nor Dalton nor Brosnan. Bond in the movies its own creation now and there is no single Bond - each has evolved. What has remained is one characteristic - a playbook spy killer for the British government. And that characteristic can be played as well by a POC as a white guy.
Super12
Super12 - 5/28/2019, 12:53 PM
@KingLeonidas - If that were true then why call him James Bond at all? If its not a story about this one guy, this one crazy secret agent then why are we interested? You're making it seem as if every iteration is a completely different character save for a few qualities and its not. Moneypenny, Q, MI6, M, an established backstory in the British Navy and special forces (not to mention his parents' Swiss & Scottish heritage), are all a part of who this character is. Its his story we've been following. If the only constant was that he's a womanizing spy then the movies would have no connective tissue at all, which isn't the case despite how varied they are from eachother.
KingLeonidas
KingLeonidas - 5/28/2019, 2:23 PM
@Super12 - The movies HAS no connective tissue save for having the same producers for 50 years. THAT is the connective tissue. The auteurs of this franchise are the producers, not the writers, not the directors, not the technicians, not the actors, not Fleming. They all come and go. What remains always is the producers. We watch it for the legacy as much as the story. It is a brand. It has a promise. We know what to expect going on. That's the connective tissue. You could, in essence, start a similar character and it could be just as good. What it would lack is the prestige, the iconography, the legacy, the brand - THAT is the connective tissue which keeps us coming back.
Super12
Super12 - 5/28/2019, 3:00 PM
@KingLeonidas - Yes it's an established brand but it's a brand because its a beloved character, not the other way around. You said "We watch it for the legacy...we know what to expect going on", yes exactly. We know who this character is and what to expect from him. We want to see what he does next. The more you tamper with it and less recognizable you make him, the less connection the audience will feel. It won't be Bond, it'll just be a bond-ish spy thriller. Especially with something so instantly noticeable like a race-change. It's clearly another person in that case and that's not something you want in order to tell a continuing, albeit broken narrative.

What on earth is wrong with Idris Elba as 008 in the same universe? That sounds amazing! Why does he have to assume the role of this white Scottish spy to be a valid, intriguing character?
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