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tmp3
tmp3 - 3/18/2020, 4:50 AM
The comments are gonna be fun...
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 3/18/2020, 4:55 AM
It's a great meme movie, which is what Star Wars does best for the last 20 years.
tmp3
tmp3 - 3/18/2020, 4:56 AM
@WakandanQueen - Why else have the Prequels had such a long shelf life?
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 3/18/2020, 5:00 AM
@tmp3 - A combination of great memes and great spin-off material
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 3/18/2020, 6:32 AM
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 3/18/2020, 6:34 AM
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 3/18/2020, 4:59 AM
I think that especially Poe's and Finn's storylines would've benefitted from this, but aside from that I really like The Last Jedi
Origame
Origame - 3/18/2020, 5:26 AM
@MalseMarcel - yeah. But test audiences have a pretty shaky history. Its because of a test audience that the ending of i am legend was changed, despite the fact the whole movie was still built around the original ending, its based on a classic book, and everyone who's seen the original ending now agrees its definitely better than the theatrical release.

Most test audiences simply arent movie people.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 3/18/2020, 6:26 AM
@Origame - I've read differing reports on test audiences. Depending on where you live, you can pay to see a random movie as a test audience. Another is some movie studios invite college students/graduates who are studying film-making to watch and give feedback on the rough cut. Then there's the friends and family test audience who are super biased (that I never count or take seriously).

I guess it differs per film and if the movie studio has any expectations on the film in the 1st place.
parkerray
parkerray - 3/18/2020, 5:02 AM
Yes! toss out any potential Abrams built up in the first movie, piss all over Hamill and ignore everything he says, then 300 randos in a test audience would do what? give you more ideas of what to subvert?
FleischerSupes
FleischerSupes - 3/18/2020, 5:11 AM
I learned something here. I thought SW did test screenings but they just made you sign your life away before you watch it so you can't tell anyone.
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 3/18/2020, 5:12 AM
I’ve said this from the initial release of TLJ... Rian should’ve directed TFA, he’s far better at creating worlds and characters than following on from a mediocre rehash of A New Hope. Rian Johnson isn’t a bad movie maker, or a bad writer. He wasn’t the problem with TLJ.

I don’t blame him for the way TLJ turned out, he was under what’s shown to be recently, a misguided producer in Kennedy. He didn’t have much to work with in terms of character development, he honoured what JJ originally wanted for Rey by making her a nobody. JJ & Co didn’t know what to do with Luke, they made it clear in the narrative he didn’t give a [frick] about what the New Order was doing, if Han died, that his sister was left to struggle alone in a war for the Galaxy, they forced Luke into being a hermit before he was even written as one, so they attached him on at the end of a film where they already made the main character over powered - to teach her what?

The only direction for Johnson to take Luke was to explain why he’s been absent, he did that with little to work with as he did to fit into the confused tone of the films JJ & Co unfortunately created. After he explained Luke’s absence there was no need to have him around? The main character was already written to be too OP, TLJ kind of pokes fun at that as well. With the poor handling of Rey in TFA, she didn’t need to be trained or guided.

Unlike Luke in the OG trilogy.
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 3/18/2020, 5:14 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - First Order* lol don’t attack me :(
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 3/18/2020, 5:49 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - I think you make some really important points here. I think the fact that TFA not only ends on a cliffhanger, but ends on a cliffhanger immediately following a time jump locks in a lot of what sort of story TLJ could've ever told, and if Johnson had have been springboarding off of his own story, his follow ups wouldn't have seemed quite as.....rebellious in certain cases as they did to some. I think TLJ is a really great case study in his instincts as a director (which often rely on zigging instead of zagging), but also his ability to make any story his own, even if it means he seems to be zigging a LOT more than he actually is. I think TROS kinda affirms how much JJ Abrams work is smoke and mirrors at it's core, and while I think he gets away with it in TFA, TLJ is only as great as I feel it is based on Johnson's ability to inject substance into an empty core
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 3/18/2020, 6:35 AM
@OmegaDaGrodd - damn man, it’s actually quite satisfying to have a genuine discussion on a topic without arguing with everyone on this! I appreciate what you said, I also agree a 100%!

And you’re absolutely spot on about JJ, he works well under a clear vision and story already set up by the screenwriters and producers. But if he’s given the solo job of steering the ship himself, it’s exactly like you said about his smoke and mirrors being exposed
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 3/18/2020, 7:26 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine -

Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 3/18/2020, 7:35 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - i agree somewhat, but Rian was also too keen to subvert expectations, and when you are working on a property with as much lore as Star Wars, sometimes you have to be able to build on what's already been established. He could be free to create new characters, but they would have to fit in the already established world. I think Rian was doomed no matter which episode he took on.
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 3/18/2020, 7:36 AM
@OmegaDaGrodd -
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 3/18/2020, 7:40 AM
@Ryguy88 - I understand what you’re saying my man, but it goes back to my point where he should’ve been given reign of the TFA instead of TLJ.

And I agree, you need to be able to build upon what’s established, but the preexisting established characters and story within TFA is exactly the same reason the other two films failed to live up to expectations.

Build as you mean to go on, not fix as you look back sadly buddy
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 3/18/2020, 7:47 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - I was also referring to what has been established since 1977. If Rian tried to pull his schtick in the MCU Feige would have Edgar Wrighted his ass after their first coffee together.
Dredd97
Dredd97 - 3/18/2020, 9:20 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - I am in 100% agreement with you. Everybody blames Johnson for Luke, which wasn't a terrible arc btw, just not how I'd do it, but JJ has most of the fault here. For things I wasn't keen on in TLJ, at least it has substance. It feels like a story was trying to be told. I'd have loved for Johnson to direct this whole trilogy. He's a legitimate filmmaker, unlike JJ Abrams
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 3/18/2020, 9:27 AM
@SmokingMan - exactly man, once people start realising this, they’ll start understanding the reasons why this trilogy was doomed from the start!
Kyos
Kyos - 3/18/2020, 5:17 AM
I mean, it's not all too likely that feedback from test screenings could have saved that movie. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Pigdango
Pigdango - 3/18/2020, 5:23 AM
"It was divisive, but it was also really good."

Well, which is it, Josh?

I'll try to sum it up in one sentence:

"The Last Jedi is a great Star Wars movie for people who aren't Star Wars fans."
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 3/18/2020, 5:41 AM
@Pigdango - I always get confused by people's inability to just dislike TLJ without trying to find some weird way to explain away why other people like it. TLJ is one of the most critically acclaimed films in the franchise, and those critics that gave it that critical acclaim are by and large Star Wars fans, as are the audience members who gave it an A Cinemascore. We're now almost 3 years out and you guys still aren't comfortable "just" disliking the movie. Alarming.
CaptaCornflakes
CaptaCornflakes - 3/18/2020, 5:45 AM
@OmegaDaGrodd -
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 3/18/2020, 9:02 AM
@TheJustinHammer - People just did like the movie. Accept it.

See both of thede statements are correct.
manofillintent1
manofillintent1 - 3/18/2020, 5:32 AM
In years to come I can imagine revisiting this one more than the other two in the new new trilogy despite all its faults
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