STAR WARS Book Finally Sheds A Little More Light On Supreme Leader Snoke's Mysterious Origin

STAR WARS Book Finally Sheds A Little More Light On Supreme Leader Snoke's Mysterious Origin STAR WARS Book Finally Sheds A Little More Light On Supreme Leader Snoke's Mysterious Origin

A newly released Star Wars book sheds some light on Supreme Leader Snoke's origin story and how that ties into Emperor Palpatine's return in The Rise of Skywalker. Hit the jump for further details...

By JoshWilding - Oct 10, 2020 07:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars

The introduction of Supreme Leader Snoke in Star Wars: The Force Awakens generated a lot of speculation among fans, and the hope was that The Last Jedi would shed some light on his identity. Instead, Rian Johnson decided to kill him off and have Kylo Ren appoint himself the new "Supreme Leader" of the First Order. 

The Rise of Skywalker would later address Snoke's origin story in a throwaway scene showing clones of the villain in a vat, and by revealing it was Emperor Palpatine pulling his strings. 

Now, though, and a new Star Wars book may have shed a little more light on Snoke's background.

As you can see below, it's mentioned that he's "an artificial genetic construct concocted by the resurrected Darth Sidious to be his proxy in power. Snoke has free will, but his actions and goals are still orchestrated by Sidious." So, he clearly wasn't just a puppet, but did report to Emperor Palpatine. The Sith Lord clearly felt he needed a proxy that the First Order could rally around in his absence.

This does seem to contradict previous information about Palpatine sensing Snoke's presence, though it's possible the Emperor killed the original and made one who would serve him. 

None of it really makes sense, though, and it's frustrating this is being addressed in books rather than the movies themselves. Then again, it's not like the original trilogy revealed Palpatine's past! 

Check out this new intel below:
 

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Highflyer
Highflyer - 10/10/2020, 7:49 AM


I feel like the more they attempt to explain things or expand the mythos, the worse it feels.
patgreyc
patgreyc - 10/10/2020, 10:14 AM
@Highflyer - Big ol MEH. They just need to stop.
dmac3232
dmac3232 - 10/10/2020, 10:18 AM
@Highflyer - One of the most half-baked characters in a major tent pole I can remember in a long, long time. I still can’t believe how badly they handled this whole trilogy.
KingLeonidas
KingLeonidas - 10/10/2020, 11:47 AM
@Highflyer - The sequel trilogy is kind of a failure. Let's just acknowledge that and move on. Episode 9 shit the bed.
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 10/10/2020, 1:51 PM
@Highflyer -
According to The Force Awakens, Snoke was around to watch the rise and fall of the Galactic Republic. Now they're saying he wasn't around until after Palpatine's resurrection LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 10/10/2020, 1:55 PM
@Darkknight2149 -
I'm not joking by the way. Before Rise of Skywalker, it was canon that Snoke was around during the prequel and original trilogy eras. Before The Last Jedi, it was also heavily implied that he was some wise calculated mastermind who learned from all of Palpatine's mistakes. Disney Canon is already as messy as the old EU.
JohnPain
JohnPain - 10/11/2020, 5:45 AM
@Darkknight2149 -

Is Snoke's history referred to in The Force Awakens or just the ancillary material?
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 10/11/2020, 11:35 AM
@JohnPain -
The novelisation, a deleted scene, guidebooks, and even filmmaker interviews all stated that he was around during the prequel and original trilogy eras, so that was rooted in canon by the time Rise of Skywalker came out.

Hell, even if we ignore everything except the films, Snoke is not the same character in Episode 8-9 as he was in The Force Awakens. In TFA, he was established as a cautious stoic and manipulative mastermind who seemed to have some respect for both Kylo Ren and General Hux, had Kylo Ren wrapped around his pinky finger, and was unwilling to attack Luke Skywalker headon. In TFA, Snoke was an overconfident abusive idiot who ruled by fear and made decisions on impulse. He also wanted to attack Luke Skywalker as soon as he figured out his location.

Really, it just goes to show how disjointed the sequel trilogy is. They even bit the bullet and just brought back Palpatine.
JohnPain
JohnPain - 10/11/2020, 2:37 PM
@Darkknight2149 -

I don't really care about book canon as that type of thing never really sticks (it's mostly marketing) as the films are all that matter, and from what little we see of him, Snoke's cautious stoicism in The Force Awakens also inclined toward tantrums, foot-stamping and being a bit of a dope.

In 9 he's not even a character and they didn't bother doing anything worthwhile to explain him: Snoke as a clone was always a shite idea, as shite as it was for Palpatine.
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 10/11/2020, 4:20 PM
@JohnPain -
He only raised his voice once in that whole movie, in a scene where Ren and Hux were bickering. That's not a tantrum. Likewise, Disney treats all of the books/comics/cartoons as canon, so much so that stuff from those tie-ins has made its way into the actual films (Darth Maul being alive, Kanon Jarrus and Ahsoka in Episode 9).

But really, we're not even talking about that. We're talking a situation where a primary antagonist was written as a totally different character in the sequels, even directly going against statements from interviews and canon dialogue from the script and novelisation.

It wasn't just Snoke either. The Last Jedi in general was incompatible with TFA. Aside from everyone in the First Order magically becoming an exaggerated and more incompetent caricature in-between films, the entire status quo was changed. In TFA, the First Order was just a rogue sect and the Resistance was a sizable force created by Leia and funded by the New Republic to combat the First Order. When the New Republic system and Starkiller base were destroyed, the New Republic/Resistance and the First Order were on equal footing. Yet TLJ retcons this by turning it into a (a very played out) Empire/Rebellion situation.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 10/10/2020, 8:04 AM
They really flipped the mythos of a lot of things in TRoS. And they did some major flips in TFA and TLJ too.

Now that I think of it, every sequel trilogy movie kinda feels like a sequel to a movie that doesn't exist.
massdeath
massdeath - 10/10/2020, 8:04 AM
Desperate franchise trying its damnedest to make sense of broken, awful continuity. Sequel trilogy is an utter train wreck. Prequel trilogy at least made sense and had direction.
Blergh
Blergh - 10/10/2020, 8:10 AM
I can't tell you my ammount of dissapointment with this villain, his demise alone showed us how little Johnson cared about making a good Star Wars movie but a Rian Johnson movie.
He threw that curveball right through the plans Abram's had and shattered the playing field for anyone who would later come in to fix it.

What a waste of Andy Serkis
BestAtWhatIDo
BestAtWhatIDo - 10/10/2020, 8:14 AM
This makes less sense than Snoke's being a puppet: how is he force-sensitive if he's a clone? Is this "strandcast" thing something else entirely, even though they're referred to interchangeably in the novelization? I felt the sequel trilogy started promisingly, and I loved the Last Jedi, but not unlike the last season of Game of Thrones, it's clear the creative team just ran out of steam on the last episode, and did whatever they could just to end it.
JohnPain
JohnPain - 10/10/2020, 8:25 AM
@BestAtWhatIDo -

JJA and Terrio didn't intend for you to think about it.

BestAtWhatIDo
BestAtWhatIDo - 10/10/2020, 8:48 AM
@JohnPain - Jesus, Terrio. A smart guy with interesting ideas, but everything he's touched since Argo has been a trainwreck. I watched the BvS Director's Cut the other day. Talk about pretentious and self-important.
JohnPain
JohnPain - 10/10/2020, 9:52 AM
@BestAtWhatIDo -

WB was a shite-show; I don't know how any writer could thrive in that situation and TROS wasn't any better. A pressure cooker that burned everyone.




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