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LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 10/10/2017, 7:05 AM
LMFAO last night I said how Josh was going to create a "10 THINGS YOU DIDN'T SEE IN THE NEW STAR WARS TRAILER" article tomorrow

I didn't expect you to do it Ror lol

MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 10/10/2017, 7:19 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - A twist indeed.. if I had written a "10 THINGS YOU DIDN'T SEE IN THE NEW STAR WARS TRAILER" article, that is.
Manx
Manx - 10/10/2017, 7:06 AM
Upon closer inspection, the last two scenes looked spliced together. I think Rey is chilling around the fire at night with Luke to try and get him to train her or to keep training her after he's spooked by a show of her power. There's no debris falling around her like where Kylo is holding out his hand. I'm going to assume it's Leia reaching her hand out to try and get Kylo to take it and maybe he starts to. Maybe she sacrifices herself to turn Kylo around.

"The movie will not turn out the way the trailer will make you think." - Luke said it himself.
Kman
Kman - 10/10/2017, 7:06 AM
I gotta think she's a Skywalker somehow... they always seem to be the people with that "raw strength" and "untapped potential" label
ELAYEM
ELAYEM - 10/10/2017, 7:08 AM
Realizing Rey wasnt talking Kylo in the last scene and it's just an editing trick
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 10/10/2017, 7:12 AM
@Elayem - I'm pretty sure also Leia and Kylo is an editing trick too.

Spoiler warning:

Pretty sure the AT-AT is the final battle of the film. We see Leia at the hidden base with the gates closing. So either:
A) Kylo doesn't kill her.... like that
B) The 2 scenes have nothing to do with one another.

As Luke said, "This is not going to go the way you think"
ELAYEM
ELAYEM - 10/10/2017, 7:16 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - My understanding after many rewatches it:
Rey is asking Luke to guide her and it's early in the film (she is in the outfit from the end of Ep7, and not her Jedi outfit from later in Ep8)
The Kylo/Leia isnt an editting trick and Kylo does fire on Leia, but feels regret and goes to save her and offers his hand (The background looks like a burning ship)
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 10/10/2017, 7:18 AM
@Elayem - The Kylo/Leia isnt an editting trick and Kylo does fire on Leia, but feels regret and goes to save her and offers his hand (The background looks like a burning ship)

So you think Kylo is going to go on the ship and save Leia?

I don't see it. I don't see it because unless this happens in the middle of the film, (or Leia's death was planned) we will never see the fallout of this in the next film.
ELAYEM
ELAYEM - 10/10/2017, 7:23 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - That's the thing though. Everyone at Lucasfilm has said Leia was going to be a huge part of Ep9, and Rian Johnson has said many times that Leia's role never changed in Ep8 after her death. Meaning Leia lives through all of Ep8.
ELAYEM
ELAYEM - 10/10/2017, 7:24 AM
*Leia's role never changed in Ep8 after Carrie Fisher's death.
Deonox
Deonox - 10/10/2017, 7:25 AM
@Elayem - Agreed, but the real question is who is reaching his hand to? I agree with you its an editing trick, but I think he is reaching out to her at the end
Deonox
Deonox - 10/10/2017, 7:29 AM
@Elayem - I wonder if they're messing with us and Leia really does die in this. My god would my heart break if so
ELAYEM
ELAYEM - 10/10/2017, 7:34 AM
@Deonox - "Agreed, but the real question is who is reaching his hand to?"
I'd guess his mother

"I wonder if they're messing with us and Leia really does die in this. My god would my heart break if so"
Maybe but I doubt it. From interviews Rian seemed sincere that Leia's role never changed in Ep8
Deonox
Deonox - 10/10/2017, 9:45 AM
@Elayem - I don't think it changed, I just think that Leia originally dies in this one
Deonox
Deonox - 10/10/2017, 9:45 AM
@Elayem - Or i Hope
AgeofHeroes
AgeofHeroes - 10/10/2017, 7:09 AM
i enjoyed the last one and will continue to enjoy others...these are movie people
MarvelousMarty
MarvelousMarty - 10/10/2017, 7:12 AM
Loved it and cannot wait!
IronGenesis
IronGenesis - 10/10/2017, 7:12 AM
My ideal ending to Last Jedi would be

Snoke in command
Kylo and Rey on the dark side
Leia gone
The Reaistsnce destroyed

And all that's left is just Luke
MarsivNayr
MarsivNayr - 10/10/2017, 7:25 AM
@IronGenesis - that would be epic and quite the cliffhanger to lead into episode IX. Buuuuut at the same time, that leaves a distinct amount of protagonists off the table and lots of antagonists to deal with. Sounds good but maybe not likely. What if Luke and Leia are able to turn Kylo back? What if leia’s possible death spurns Kylo to find the light again? Maybe Rey feels betrayed by Luke in some way and we end up with Luke, Ben v Snoke, Rey? Mmmmmm.... so much to speculate, I love it.
ELAYEM
ELAYEM - 10/10/2017, 7:12 AM
Most interesting to me is Kylo when he says: "Let the past die. Kill it... if you have to. That's the only way to become who you are meant to be."
Who is he talking to? Rey? Himself? If himself it's strange for him to talk to himself. If Rey, does he actually train her?
MarsivNayr
MarsivNayr - 10/10/2017, 7:13 AM
I think Luke’s words held a double meaning. “This is not going to go the way you think.”
Railer
Railer - 10/10/2017, 7:17 AM
It's the opposite, the end of the Movie features a "team-up" of Luke, Rey, and BEN SOLO setting off to destroy Snoke. That is the "up-lifting" part of the ending, after all the despair of losing General Leia. It's the "balance" of the ending.
RancidBane
RancidBane - 10/10/2017, 7:27 AM
Obviously Snoke is talking to Rey.

I think that Rey is going to go off script with Luke and try to trick Kylo. This will get her tortured by Snoke and Luke will come to save the day. I'm also glad that they are using Phasma more.
IKidYouNotMan
IKidYouNotMan - 10/10/2017, 7:38 AM
What if those 'Rey is the chosen one/Anakin reincarnated" rumours were true? Gives more meaning to those Snoke lines like "truly special" and Luke's "I've seen this before..." referring to Vader. I think the films so far have made it clear that Kylo feels an enormous amount of expectation based on who he is but is annoyed because he's actually quite mediocre.

On a side note, maybe there's more to this since Hayden Christensen was at Celebration this year. Maybe he does have a role in the film as a ghost?
CaptainElrond
CaptainElrond - 10/10/2017, 7:53 AM
Theory: Rey and kylo will form there own order of the grey jedi.

Rey asks what her place is because she isnt in the darkside or the light.
DerekLake
DerekLake - 10/10/2017, 8:20 AM
My prediction is that Kylo turns good and helps Rey escape Snoke. I'm betting Kylo does try to blow up Leia's ship, but she and Poe escape.

I hope this film redeems Luke. Right now it's looking like he's just a failure, and in fact Obi-Wan and Yoda were wrong to place their faith in him to rebuild the Jedi Order.

My personal feeling about all this: I would not have as much of a problem with the central story (the Luke-Rey-Kylo one) if the Resistance-First Order context wasn't so similar to the Rebel-Empire one. It would have been much better if they kept the Knights of Ren as a sort of resurgent Sith Empire, rather than this pale imitation of the Galactic Empire with its pseudo-Vader, pseudo-Tarkin and pseudo-Palpatine. They did not need to rehash the broader story.
Alizaire
Alizaire - 10/10/2017, 1:35 PM
@DerekLake - Exactly...it was lazy writing just like what JJ did with Star Trek Deuce. Don't do it to your fans twice...or you'll suffer the box office consequences of your failure. Cover new territory.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 10/10/2017, 8:26 AM
Considering crait is the opposite of an ice planet, I doubt that that fox an ice fox thing. The last scene is definitely a clever editing trick, and so is the kylo is gonna kill leia (I think). Also, Kylos face doesnt have that mesh-thing in his face in the last scene, making me think that it could be another flashback
ODanil
ODanil - 10/10/2017, 9:07 AM
I firmly believe Snoke is talking to Rey.
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