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L0RDbuckethead
L0RDbuckethead - 9/3/2019, 11:46 PM
Sure, JJ. Sure.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 9/5/2019, 2:37 PM
@L0RDbuckethead -
J.J.Abrams himself admitted that he had no plans for anything beyond the movie he made. So all this is nonsense.

Episode 9's plot has leaked over on /r/starwarsleaks and appears to be getting more confirmation each day. Its a trainwreck that devalues the remaining strength the franchise has.
L0RDbuckethead
L0RDbuckethead - 9/5/2019, 2:46 PM
@Scarilian - I don't disagree.
KingEmperor
KingEmperor - 9/4/2019, 12:38 AM
It didn’t derail anything because there was NO plan.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 9/4/2019, 12:51 AM
He should have been in charge of the whole trilogy, either way I still have faith! Nothing can be worse than TLJ, which beats ATOC for worst star wars movie lol just sayin'
DEVWoulf
DEVWoulf - 9/4/2019, 12:54 AM
Rian Johnson... always there to help.
Gmoney84
Gmoney84 - 9/4/2019, 1:12 AM
I just wanted to see Luke be a badass with a green lightsaber. Rian ruined that for me.
Kevwebsz
Kevwebsz - 9/4/2019, 1:17 AM
I mean...lets just say he teleported at the end.
ElvenKingSlayer
ElvenKingSlayer - 9/4/2019, 1:20 AM
"Rey's parents is retconned into something a little more satisfying."

That's actually one of the things I liked from tlj. You can actually matter, be of importance and can accomplice something without having important parents. Find the strengh within yourself, go on a journey and grow without being born of "Royal blood". It's a nice message
inkniron
inkniron - 9/4/2019, 1:53 AM
@ElvenKingSlayer - Lifting yourself up by your bootstraps/coming from nothing is fine and whatnot, but save that crap for secondary characters or her own trilogy. This is the Skywalker Saga. If she ends up the ultimate hero and not part of the Skywalker lineage, I'm going to be pissed. If she ends up a Skywalker and Luke couldn't sense that, I'm gonna be pissed
nikgrid
nikgrid - 9/4/2019, 2:19 AM
@ElvenKingSlayer - Except Rey should have been Luke's daughter...then it would truly have been a generational story. The protagonist in the ST is not even a Skywalker. The Skywalker saga concluded in 1983.
Nebula
Nebula - 9/4/2019, 4:49 AM
@ElvenKingSlayer - Because Obi-wan, Yoda, Han, even Anakin's parents are so important.
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 9/4/2019, 9:01 AM
@ElvenKingSlayer - Agreed but all the fans what more derivative nonsense
LadiesmanBumble
LadiesmanBumble - 9/4/2019, 1:23 AM
@JJAbrams
inkniron
inkniron - 9/4/2019, 1:29 AM
Yeah, the financial crisis of 2008 didn't derail my 401k either but it sure [frick]ed it up real good and left a horrible stain that still trying to recover from years later.
Kyos
Kyos - 9/4/2019, 1:42 AM
What amount of planning went into this connected trilogy when the director of the first and third entry has to clarify that the second entry didn't "really derail" anything they "were thinking about" while making the first movie? And that "thinking" happened back when Abrams wasn't even supposed to do the third movie as well.
TheUnworthyThor
TheUnworthyThor - 9/4/2019, 2:07 AM
@Kyos - Not planning out trilogies is kind of a hallmark of Star Wars.
MyBeard
MyBeard - 9/4/2019, 10:35 AM
@TheUnworthyThor - So true. To understand what ideas Lucas had in 77 as a follow up to Star Wars, look up Splinter of the Mind's Eye. It wasn't originally intended that Vader was even Luke's father. I'd say that change in the story turns out to be rather significant...
TheUnworthyThor
TheUnworthyThor - 9/4/2019, 2:09 AM
Well I would think not considering The Last Jedi leaves the world of Star Wars beautifully open to tell any kind of story you wanted. Unless those plans included space Hugh Hefner.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 9/4/2019, 2:15 AM
Y'all:
Nebula
Nebula - 9/4/2019, 4:54 AM
@OmegaDaGrodd -
case
case - 9/4/2019, 3:10 AM
I believe this.

Go back to bed Josh.
nibs
nibs - 9/4/2019, 4:51 AM
there was clearly never a plan tho
Tasmaniac
Tasmaniac - 9/4/2019, 5:33 AM
I call bullshit.

Luke will be back.
Philvis
Philvis - 9/4/2019, 5:54 AM
Seriously, what is he going to say...oh yeah, he screwed the pooch for me as I play clean-up. Lucasfilm is as much at fault as Johnson. How do you create a sequel trilogy to the most iconic and beloved movie series and not have a hard plan/outline. I think the biggest issue is you bring back the iconic heroes of the Skywalker saga and essentially crap on them, as you try to introduce new characters, whom unfortunately just do not resonate with most of the audience. Had they fostered the new 'kids' relationships with the OG's of the saga, by the last film, you would have had a more engaged audience, ready to see what's next with those new characters. Instead, you have some long time fans completely done with the series, a good chunk of people indifferent, and a smaller subset excited.

Dave Filoni is the best thing to happen to Star Wars, but unfortunately he is stuck in the animated world. I do look forward to his contribution to The Mandalorian though. It's ashame he wasn't given the sequel trilogy. I really WANT to be excited for the last film, but I'm just not.
Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 9/4/2019, 6:03 AM
I mean the second films really don’t affect much of you really think about it, even with how much was changed from TFA to TLJ ultimately as long as TFA properly tees up what they were going for it doesn’t matter. The second act of a movie while the longest is ultimately the least important in terms of plot usually, the first and third are the set up and pay of of the plot but the second is just fleshing our characters usually not much really happens. As amazing and empire is very little of the actual overarching plot of the trilogy actually happens it’s just moving the characters (mainly Luke) forward emotionally and it’s not really until the end that anything of consequence happens, same with Attack of the Clones same with most sequels. I’m not worried although I enjoyed TLJ a lot more than most bc ultimately I don’t think it really matter to the end all that much what happened aside from TFA
Pitydafool
Pitydafool - 9/4/2019, 6:49 AM
actually coming from JJ, "it allowed" & "Really didn't derail" really don't scream one unified vision with one story to tell. This is more like of a saga being made by improve.

I don't blame the directors I blame the head of lucasfilm. A self professed non star wars fan who saw the series "like any other blockbuster" who thought the saga after the OT did not require careful planning and respect to the OT. This is on her.
Super12
Super12 - 9/4/2019, 6:53 AM
This smells like bull and we all know it. Every major plot point and seeds of questions planted were ripped up, trampled on, and thrown aside, because Rian wanted to make his own movie and totally sUbVeRt ExPeCtAtIoNs. Well good job, Rian no one expected you would destroy the legacy of the greatest Jedi Master, ignore the mystery of Snoke, abandon the Rey/Finn romance, waste the last chance to give Luke & Leia time to grieve Han's death togther...the list goes on.

We expected quality story-telling. Consider our expectations subverted.
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