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OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 9/6/2019, 4:57 AM
Kevin Feige made Sony's highest grossing movie on a deal he didn't even necessarily want to get done because they were such crazy ass hoes
Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 9/6/2019, 5:01 AM
It’s actually really annoying how much the sentiment has flipped to Sony being the good guys on a lot of other sites bc it’s now cool to hate Disney as this big bad conglomerate as if Sony hasn’t continually mishandled this property at most turns and now it’s clear from Pascal’s comments from years ago that this was their plan all along. Use the MCU to bolster their brand and when it was at it peak take it back and fuse it with their awful Venomverse
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 9/6/2019, 5:05 AM
I dont mind really, Spideys MCU story is pretty much finished now. Everything they want to do with the character can happen in its own universe
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 9/6/2019, 5:06 AM
I'm sure Feige will keep fighting to keep/bring back Spidey in the MCU.

OT, anyone else seen IT Chapter Two already?
Lobo89
Lobo89 - 9/6/2019, 5:29 AM
Sony has Avi Arad so it’s only a matter of time till Spidey gets screwed over again.
CLTMAN29
CLTMAN29 - 9/6/2019, 5:37 AM
I have to disagree with this. As much I love what they've done with Spider-man, and I loved Civil War, I said it from day one. Civil War would have absolutely worked without spider-man. He is completely superfluous to the entire movie.
Mclane
Mclane - 9/6/2019, 5:42 AM
Without the majority of the Marvel universe to sample from Sony may think they now have a fully beefed up character but they will struggle to keep that open world use of characters and lets not forget that Sony HAVE to make Spidey movies or lose the franchise. They may get one film that hits the needed target but if fans rebel Sony are going to have a huge hole to fill.
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 9/6/2019, 5:55 AM
"This is the right decision for the franchise, for our business, for Marvel, and for the fans."

And it still is...Tom Rothmans just too incompetent to realize that.

whynot
whynot - 9/6/2019, 6:03 AM
If there’s a extremes boycott of Sony and venom 2 makes under 400 million Sony will panic and make a deal. Or If spiderman 3 makes under 700 million then I see Sony calling marvel up to make a deal. It’s always been up to the audience. Even if the audience is pissed now majority will still watch spiderman 3 that’s the reason why the above won’t transpire. Money talks
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 9/6/2019, 6:05 AM
@Ha1frican



Finally someone else who can see past the bullshit, I love in particular how people still think Disney leaked all this news complete with numbers that make them look like the bad guy, as if Sony hasn't made statements capitalizing on this news.

And yes Pascal was 100% letting it slip that it was always Sony's plan to snatch back Spider-man even before Homecoming was released. It makes me laugh every time I see @regularmovieguy talk about how Disney's greed sabotaged the deal when Sony was never negotiating in good faith to begin with. Another victim of the Sony media spin, or just another anti-Disney guy to begin with I guess.
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 9/6/2019, 6:08 AM
@KingCipher
Origame
Origame - 9/6/2019, 6:12 AM
I still don't get this logic. They keep talking like spiderman was integral for civil war, to the point they needed to figure out how to not include him. But then all he contributed was to the end fight, and even then it was just as a counter to ant man. Just not include ant man or have hulk fight giant man. Other than making the teams even for the airport fight, i dont know why spiderman is so integral. Especially since it kinda goes against stark's concept of accountability. Where's the accountability in sending an untrained kid into battle with some of the most dangerous beings on the planet?
Thing94
Thing94 - 9/6/2019, 6:12 AM
Now, no one is picking up the phone to work this deal out.
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 9/6/2019, 6:13 AM
@LongMayHeReign

I’m not a fan of Sony or Disney ... they’re both shitty corps that I’m not going to wave a flag over. Still not a bad financial move on Sony’s part - as long as they keep the Spidey budget to 150-175 million.

But even if they weren’t planning on bringing Spidey back - do you think a 30-50% cut would change their minds any more?? Why even make that offer if Sony said “[frick] it we’re keeping Spidey”?

Does Disney need to own every IP? Lol
Origame
Origame - 9/6/2019, 6:14 AM
@LongMayHeReign dude disney owns like all the news outlets. I dont think sony can really do much to manipulate the narrative here.
Catmanlives
Catmanlives - 9/6/2019, 6:19 AM
@regularmovieguy

hmmm. I feel it's pretty clear why it would be important to fans of this particular ip.
Mando
Mando - 9/6/2019, 6:22 AM
[frick] sony

i hope venom 2 flop hard at the Boxoffice
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 9/6/2019, 6:26 AM
I sincerely hope all of Sony’s movies flop.

Every. Single. One.
LeonNova
LeonNova - 9/6/2019, 6:27 AM
I’m not seeing any of their Spider-Verse films unless the reception is overwhelmingly positive, I really hate Sony right now.
Matador
Matador - 9/6/2019, 6:29 AM
@regularmovieguy - the answer is yes mother [frick]er Marvel/Disney owns the rights to Spider-Man. Marvel did create the character Disney owns Marvel.
Sony only has a license to make Spider-Man movies. Hell even Men in Black is a Marvel property.

OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 9/6/2019, 6:34 AM
@Ha1frican

I think we've reached a point where the only people saying Disney were the "bad guys" are the people who were going to say that regardless, either because they're haters or because they just associate Disney with evil. That said, there isn't really a "bad guy" here. Sony have always been dumb, desperate and awful with Spider-Man since 2005/06, so it's not like they were doing anything out of character here either.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 9/6/2019, 6:38 AM
@Ha1frican

I don't think anyone thinks Disney are the "bad guys" here except for those who were always going to say that, either because they just kinda have to hate whatever Disney does or because they legitimately buy into the "Disney=Evil" narrative. Really, there isn't a real "bad guy" here. Disney were asking for a fair split that was still largely beneficial to Sony, and Sony wanted to make as much money as possible regardless of the health of the IP. Sony have been dumb, desperate and awful with Spider-Man since 2005/06, and nothing they've done here has been nefarious or out of character
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 9/6/2019, 6:39 AM
@regularmovieguy

The last I checked Spider-man was an IP owned by Marvel who is owned by Disney. You act like we are saying Disney should be given the rights to Bond or DC, Disney literally owns the Spider-man IP in everything except films and certain length tv shows. Sony had the merch and gave it back, it's like saying WB shouldn't have control over Batman films even though they own the character makes no sense.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 9/6/2019, 6:41 AM
Can CBM.com function properly
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 9/6/2019, 6:47 AM
@Origame


If Disney owned all the media outlets this news never would have seen the light of day especially days before D23 when they were unveiling an Avengers theme park in which the main attraction is an MCU Spider-man ride. I know you hate Disney which is all well and good, but use some common sense for 2 seconds. All those reports paint Disney in a negative light as being greedy and bullying Sony, why would Disney let negative press get out there if they own the media and can control the narrative?

Come on bruh, I know you're smarter than that, or at least I want to believe that you are.
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 9/6/2019, 6:50 AM
@KingCipher

Then so be it, give me 5 years of great X-Men, F4, BP, and Shang Chi content until then, then bring him back into the fold.
GodHercules20
GodHercules20 - 9/6/2019, 6:59 AM
I'm fine with this. I wanted to see Spider-Man with the Avengers in the MCU and I got that.

More interested in seeing underrated characters like Shang Chi,Hercules,Darkhawk,Wendell Vaughn and Wonder Man
dragon316
dragon316 - 9/6/2019, 7:03 AM
Hard get two companies play nice when one of them is greedy and own theme parks and comic company
sKeemAn
sKeemAn - 9/6/2019, 7:09 AM
Both companies are $#itty. But I would rather marvel have control of all of their own characters. I dont see Sony truly doing any justice for SM.

I think Civil War could definitely been done w/o SM. However, I understand the need to get him re-introduced in the earliest movie possible. I think he was central to Stark's ending story arc.
OuzoPowerMan
OuzoPowerMan - 9/6/2019, 7:10 AM
@Origame - I totally agree with you. Maybe they had in mind what they could do with Spider-Man in the future, e.g. how important Peter would be for Tony in IW and EG. But I doubt it.
There's a pantheon of characters that the MCU had, and still has, its hands on. Spider-Man was in no way a must-presence for Civil War, especially considering how different his role turned out to be than the one in the comics.
You know who'd be a great alternative? That kid from Iron Man 3. He had already been introduced in the MCU, and there was already a bond established between him and Tony.
I'm glad we got Spider-Man in the MCU, but come on, he was definitely unnecessary in CW.
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 9/6/2019, 7:18 AM
@Matador

We could get into technicalities all you want...but they don’t have the rights to Spidey on film.

This is the extent of what we’re getting from Disney when it comes to Spidey:
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 9/6/2019, 7:20 AM
@Catmanlives

I get that - but anyone who thinks giving up 30-50% revenue from Spidey movies isn’t thinking clearly. If Sony came to the table and said “no we’re taking him back” with nothing to offer then absolutely they would deserve all the shit they’re getting.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 9/6/2019, 7:30 AM
I personally feel like there is no reason to hate either party. I know the popular thing to do is act like every single Spider-Man by Sony has tanked critically and commercially but lets be honest, that's not the case. Yeah they've stumbled here and there but so has disney. Disney/Marvel were doing fine before and I'm sure they'll continue to do so. As for Spider-Man, its a waiting game.
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 9/6/2019, 7:40 AM
@LongMayHeReign

If DC sold the film rights of Batman then they’d be in the same boat.

I’m not taking Sony or Disney’s side on this (they’re both dicks as far as I’m concerned) - and I get being pissed about him being taken away like this but it was always in the cards. But I also get the financial move from Sony to keep the revenue coming in. He’s their golden IP. And people are always going to see Spidey unless he hits the bottom of the barrel like the Fantastic Four franchise did.
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 9/6/2019, 7:49 AM
@regularmovieguy


It's funny because this is the first time I've seen you intimate that you have no side in this, because every time I see you comment on a Spidey article you always bring up Disney's greed and nothing else. You always bring up the merch which has nothing to do with this deal in the first place, and fail to mention that Disney doesn't just want 30%-50% but were willing to pay the same percentage as well.

I know you know the details, but the optics of your comments say otherwise.
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