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Murdock857859
Murdock857859 - 7/24/2019, 1:52 AM
[frick]! That's an amazing perspective actually. Never thought about it that way. A villain who actually teaches the hero a lesson through suffering.
Matador
Matador - 7/24/2019, 5:35 AM
@Murdock857859 -

mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 7/24/2019, 6:45 AM
@Murdock857859 - All the Sam Rami films did that.

SM1 - Responsibility
SM2 - Sacrifice
SM3 - Forgiveness

Rami's original plan was to make 6 films using 1 of the Sinister 6 per film to teach Peter the struggles and joy of being a superhero. Sony is still using Rami's "formula" even today, cant blame them. Don't fix what aint broken I guess. If Marvel had Spider-Man at the start of the MCU, he probably would've just had a polar opposite villain like all phase 1 heroes.
IKidYouNotMan
IKidYouNotMan - 7/24/2019, 2:05 AM
That’s something I would expect Jake Gyllenhaal to say and he’s right.
AdmShran
AdmShran - 7/24/2019, 2:05 AM
Does nobody remember that the Dr. Strange's movie was ABOUT the multiverse?

It was shown in Dr. Strange. Ant-Man 1 & 2.

And people are now saying that the multiverse doesn't exist because this Mysterio 'lied' about being from another Earth....I mean...seriously?

#FanLogic
Origame
Origame - 7/24/2019, 2:08 AM
@AdmShran - even the people behind the scenes seem to think this way. They're asked about the multiverse and these guys are like "well mysterio lied so its hard to tell if the multiverse exists". It's ridiculous
Flurb
Flurb - 7/24/2019, 4:04 AM
@Origame - I think the question that remains to be seen is less that it exists but in what capacity it exists. And I wonder if they are playing coy specifically because there's the question floating in the air about whether this Spider-man could eventually connect to the next Spider-verse movie.
Origame
Origame - 7/24/2019, 4:36 AM
@Flurb - but dr strange has visited other dimensions. And endgame dealt with direct travel to alternate realities as well. Not to mention the announcements from comic con shows more and more stories about the multiverse.

Also, considering the people behind this franchise haven't seen a spiderman movie before, its clear this is just because they also haven't seen dr strange.
Origame
Origame - 7/24/2019, 2:06 AM
No don't bring up the ending to homecoming. It just reminds us that this cliffhanger can be abandoned with throwaway jokes like aunt may learning Peter's identity.
AbidNaga
AbidNaga - 7/24/2019, 2:27 AM
@Origame - I was hoping we'd get some form of "the conversation" or "the talk" from Ultimate, but I get that with the whole infinity war/endgame stuff it made it kind of difficult and the whole europe story. With all the advantages of a cinematic universe, it sort of gets some of the cons of a comic book universe where a big event breaks up a story. I do hope, and believe sort of, that with Peters life possibly going to shit with the whole "framed as a villain" thing in the next one, we might get some post variance of it.
Origame
Origame - 7/24/2019, 2:30 AM
@AbidNaga - i don't know what they can do with it at this point. Being labeled a villain seems like what may should've been warning peter about with this.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 7/24/2019, 6:56 AM
@Origame - Aunt May finding out that Peter is Spider-man wasn’t a “cliffhanger” ending. Neither, for instance, was Tony telling the press “I am Iron Man”. Last minute surprises? Yes, definitely... but neither were incredibly bad situations that the character absolutely had to find his way out of... as opposed to being unmasked and framed as a villain before the world.

There was always 2 ways the Aunt May thing could have gone... she could be supportive or disapproving. That’s pretty much it. I suppose I can understand some people being disappointing that they went with supportive (Although many, many versions go this way, including Raimi’s and the Spider-Verse’s), but that’s your issue, not the film’s. I can also understand being disappointed that you didn’t get to see the drama of ensuing conversation, but Infinity War and Endgame happened inbetween Spidey films, so they couldn’t pick up exactly where they left off, and doing a flashback to that conversation wouldn’t really add anything to Far From Home’s plotline.

But nothing was abandoned... they followed up Aunt May knowing his secret with her being supportive. It might not be what some wanted, but it’s clearly a valid choice.
Origame
Origame - 7/24/2019, 10:36 AM
@Chewtoy - ...yes they were. They were designed to make you wonder what would happen next. Thats how cliffhangers work.
RamonSuarez
RamonSuarez - 7/24/2019, 2:19 AM
What a very thoughtful take on the Far Away From Home ending. He's spot on right about Mysterio being a character who aids in Peter's maturation into a moral adult. If you look at the past two Spiderman villains they work because those characters serve as adult mirror images to Peter's youthful adolescence who've been corrupted by dealing with the difficult life choices that dealing with adulthood force people to make. Adrian Toomes becomes the Vulture because he realizes the world isn't fair, the little guy gets squashed by the uncaring and powerful, and decides that playing by society's rules put him at a disadvantage in providing for his family. Quentin Beck, a driven scientist, becomes Mysterio because to take a shortcut towards being a hero after his life's work is disregarded by his disinterested boss in a quest for respect and admiration at all costs. Both characters are forcing Peter to stake a moral position in his coming of age story that will instruct him in becoming a better person.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 7/24/2019, 6:44 AM
@RamonSuarez - dope take
FilmStudent
FilmStudent - 7/24/2019, 3:12 AM
Really thoughtful insight from Gyllenhaal, obviously a lot of it is down to how the next film handles it.

His comments about Mysterio potentially forcing Peter to change for the better and how not how everyone who has to teach their hero a lesson has to be good guy actually reminds me of Killmonger.

T'challa changes based on what he learns from Killmonger (such as the murder of his Uncle) but also from what Killmonger has become because of how he was raised. T'challa goes against his tradition and his fathers way of doing things because of Killmonger.

It would great if the next Spider-Man goes in a direction that allows Peter to grow in a similar way.
WeaponXCII
WeaponXCII - 7/24/2019, 3:39 AM
Something I’ve never seen asked yet is this: how do we know the whole scene wasn’t an illusion?
Demba
Demba - 7/24/2019, 4:33 AM
@WeaponXCII - I mean the implication is that EDITH cleared that up. But Beck has her for a while so who knows
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 7/24/2019, 7:01 AM
@WeaponXCII - Which scene do you mean? The end credit scene itself, or the video that JJJ played?
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 7/24/2019, 7:05 AM
@Demba - Well, Beck and his team were faking the Elemental attacks before they had access to EDITH. I think that EDITH just allowed for greater scale and flexibility.
WeaponXCII
WeaponXCII - 7/25/2019, 8:25 AM
@Demba - Exactly: implication. We don't know if all illusions were really disabled or if Beck truly died.
WeaponXCII
WeaponXCII - 7/25/2019, 8:28 AM
@Chewtoy - See, this is where it gets tough for overthinkers like me. Maybe it was the whole scene. Maybe it was just the screen. Or maybe Beck is the MCU's Tommy Westphall and the past 11 years were all an illusion. There's really no limit to how deep the rabbit hole can go.
MartinTanley
MartinTanley - 7/24/2019, 5:11 AM
I really hoped he faked his death
Twenty23Three
Twenty23Three - 7/24/2019, 6:42 AM
The second he brought up Donnie Darko I half expected him to say ‘the great thing with films about growing up is they can be total nonsense and they’ll always be some idiot who thinks it’s deep’
Super12
Super12 - 7/24/2019, 6:46 AM
I mean I get what he's saying, but I was still really disappointed they did that. He was one of the few heroes whose identity wasn't known to the public, which made him special and is a big part of Spidey's story. Now that effects every story with Spider-man in the MCU from now on.

LOVED Mysterio, but was not a fan of that decision.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 7/24/2019, 7:26 AM
@Super12 - I agree that there is a lot of value in Spider-man having a secret identity, largely because unlike most other heroes he really benefits from storylines with civilians. I think that you do lose something when superheroes only interact with each other.

That said, there’s no room in an “Avengers” style team-up for civilian subplots that would require a secret identity, and “Into the Spider-verse” has proven that you can tell an engaging Spidey story with very little reliance on that aspect as well. I’m willing to wait and see what they do, because it’s become clear to me that none of these franchises will last long enough in the MCU to really bother with a status quo. (For instance, people were upset that the Red Skull and Crossbones were “wasted” in single appearances, but Chris Evans did 7 major appearances as Cap before he was ready to move on and they didn’t hurt for adversaries in those appearances so there really was no need for a second round with those two.). The MCU is actively working to avoid going stale by constantly changing their heroes’ situations. Maybe Peter Parker is thought dead by the end of this next film, and maybe he comes back in the following one living under the name Ben Reilly. Throw in a couple of Avengers style team up films released by Marvel in there and that’s 4 more Holland Spidey appearances, bringing him to 8 major ones. Maybe they do one more to hand things off to an MCU Miles Morales or another Spider Legacy character and you’re at 9 at least (assuming no other big cross-overs), and realistically Holland is going to want to do something else eventually.

So basically while I agree that the secret identity is a valuable part of the set up, I’m willing to go along for the ride and see what happens knowing that there’s no time to let his story settle.
CassianAndor
CassianAndor - 7/24/2019, 8:26 AM
Finally got around to seeing this the other day. I’m shocked the movie’s been received so well. Never was it more apparent to me that they make these movies for children. I also saw Toy Story 4 and THAT movie was less juvenile. It reminded me so much of Ant-Man and the Wasp which had very similar problems, but at least that one had Paul Rudd in it and jokes that actually landed (the theater was dead silent after almost every joke in this. It was awkward). The only time I really enjoyed myself was when they let Jake Gyllenhall chew the scenery. I never expected Sony would make one of the best Spider-Man movies with Spider-Verse and then Marvel would make one of the worst here. I’m very disappointed.

But I learned my lesson. I’m staying away from the smaller scale generic Marvel movies they clearly don’t put much thought or effort into writing. Just give me more Waititi and Gunn.
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 7/24/2019, 9:24 AM
I wish more MCU Peter naysayers would realize this
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