SPIDER-MAN: There's A Chance Neither Jon Watts Nor Tom Holland Will Return For The Next Movie

Whatever the future may or may not hold in store for the Spider-Man franchise, it sounds like there's a chance that neither star Tom Holland nor director Jon Watts are going to be part of Sony's plans...

By JoshWilding - Aug 22, 2019 03:08 AM EST

Filed Under: No Way Home

As of right now, the plan is for Spider-Man to leave the Marvel Cinematic Universe and return to Sony's "Spider-Verse" for a continuation of the story which played out in both Spider-Man: Homecoming and Spider-Man: Far From Home. There will obviously need to be some changes made for that to work, but it's clearly Sony's intention right now.

However, they may end up doing it without director Jon Watts and star Tom Holland!

According to Deadline, Watts is done with his two-picture deal after Far From Home and is currently being "heavily courted" for other jobs. The trade speculates that Marvel Studios could end up talking to the filmmaker about working for them on a future release.

As for Holland, The Hollywood Reporter has revealed that the actor only has an option for one more Spider-Man movie. While a previous report claimed that both he and Watts are locked in for two more instalments, it sounds like the Avengers: Endgame star could wind up choosing to walk away from the role, depending on how he feels about this entire situation.

Some fans have already noticed that he appears to have unfollowed Sony on Instagram, and if he's loyal to Marvel Studios, that could force Sony to reconsider their position.

We'll keep you guys updated.

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How Will Marvel Studios Explain His Disappearance?

Marvel Studios can choose to just ignore Spider-Man's disappearance and pretend he never existed, but how do you explain the absence of a hero who was chosen to be the next Tony Stark by the man who sacrificed himself, in part, to bring Peter Parker back as his replacement?

The world learned the hero's identity at the end of Far From Home, and Earth's Mightiest Heroes were bound to have something to say about the wall-crawler using Stark Industries technology to seemingly attack London and kill Mysterio. Are we supposed to believe that they're just going to let that slide? Is Spidey going to be sent to limbo like The Defenders and just...vanish?

Will Sony Forget Five Movies' Worth Of Character Development?

With this deal at an end, Marvel Studios won't be allowed to reference Spider-Man and Sony Pictures will be unable to talk about characters like Nick Fury and Iron Man, not to mention everything that happened in the Avengers movies.

In many ways, that's easy enough to gloss over (it's not like Far From Home constantly referenced Civil War and Homecoming), but Spidey's arc has been tied to Tony Stark and The MCU, which means Sony will essentially have to start from scratch with a Peter who can't talk about everything he's been through up until this point.

His suits will vanish, as will his access to E.D.I.T.H. and any other Stark tech. Happy Hogan will no longer be around to help out, and if villains like Vulture and Mysterio do return, they're not going to be able to reference their own origin stories.

Is A Venom Crossover Now A Guarantee?

The answer to this question is more than likely "yes." We know Sony Pictures is keen to bring Spider-Man and Venom together, something that was unlikely when the wall-crawler was part of the MCU due to Eddie Brock really not fitting into that world (he could have been retconned in, but that seems unlikely given Feige's lack of involvement in the first movie).

Honestly, in order to escape the negative buzz surrounding them right now, Sony may very well rush straight into this in a bid to provide what they believe fans want. Now, there's no reason to think this wouldn't be good, but there are also a lot of ways a rushed crossover could go horribly wrong.

Will Spider-Man Get A New Costume?

Spider-Man has worn a number of costumes in the MCU, all of which have been designed by Marvel Studios' concept artists. Aside from his homemade suit, they've all been tied to other characters from Marvel's shared world (such as Tony Stark and Nick Fury).

As a result, Spidey's wardrobe is bound to receive a total overhaul as that red and black costume is ditched along with the Iron Spider suit he keeps in his closet. Sony has always done a pretty good job with the hero's costumes (aside from in The Amazing Spider-Man), so this might not be something we really need to worry about.

Is Avi Arad About To Regain Control Of The Wall-Crawler?

This is...terrifying? Avi Arad shoehorned Venom into Spider-Man 3 and, along with Matt Tolmach, he's responsible with pretty much everything that went wrong with The Amazing Spider-Man franchise. It's no secret that he doesn't get on with Feige, so now he's out of the picture, don't be surprised if he worms his way back into the web-slinger's world.

Amy Pascal will reportedly remain on board as a producer, but if Arad makes his presence felt, Spidey's world is inevitably going to become a whole lot more convoluted and messier.

Will That Cliffhanger Be Addressed?

There's nothing stopping Sony from continuing the story that kicked off in Spidey's first two films, and that means the big cliffhanger ending with his identity being revealed to the world is likely to be touched on in some way, shape, or form. Now, it probably won't play out how Feige intended, but that doesn't mean Sony won't still come up with some cool ideas.

However, it's also possible that they'll choose to gloss over this and continue the character's story without referencing anything that came before, just like how The Incredible Hulk ignored Hulk.

So, Who Does Own Avengers Tower?

Well, Marvel Studios must be extremely relieved that they didn't go ahead and name Oscorp the new owners of Stark Tower before sorting out a deal which would extend Spidey's time in the MCU beyond Far From Home. That would have left them in a tricky position, but they're now free to either leave that plot thread unaddressed or to have the Fantastic Four move in and rename it.

The next time we see Spider-Man swinging through the Big Apple, though, don't be surprised if you can't spot Avengers Tower as that building is going to end up disappearing from the city's iconic skyline. Beyond that, there won't really be too many changes to where Spidey calls home, but it will be interesting to see whether Sony continues using the same sets or returns to Los Angeles.

Will Jon Watts And Tom Holland Return?

Tom Holland is almost certainly contracted for more Spider-Man movies, but, for all we know, he may have a clause where he can get out of that. The actor loves the character, though, and he's always worked for Sony so there's nothing to say that will change - assuming he's happy with the script.

As for Jon Watts, he's not currently signed up for the next Spider-Man movie and if Marvel Studios offers him another project set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Sony could end up looking elsewhere for a filmmaker to take the helm of the franchise. After all, he may not want to work on the character without Feige's overseeing the creative side of things.

Does This Mean Spider-Man Is About To Enter The Spider-Verse?

We know that Sony has a long list of Spider-Man spinoff movies in the works, including films featuring characters like Black Cat and Morbius, the Living Vampire. Now, Peter Parker is free to swing into any and all of those, something which means we won't have to endure any more awkward Spider-Man-less adventures like Venom.

One of the spinoffs we know is being worked on revolves around Kraven the Hunter and reportedly gives Spidey a key role, so don't be shocked if that now becomes the Far From Home sequel...

Can A Deal Still Be Reached?

We never thought we'd see Spider-Man in the MCU, so it's entirely feasible that a deal will be reached despite how bleak things look right now. We know that Sony offered Disney some alternatives, and while they flat out refused to accept those terms, the negative response may very well lead to both parties reconsidering their current stance.

In the eyes of many fans, Marvel Studios can do no wrong, so the last thing they want is to be tarnished with being responsible for Spider-Man leaving the MCU. Sony, meanwhile, will not want to release a movie which is surrounded by negative buzz because the wall-crawler can no longer interact with The Avengers or even appear in any of the team's upcoming adventures.

Is This All Just A Negotiating Tactic?

It may not have started that way, but it could now become one for both Sony and Disney.

Let's assume that Disney leaked the news to try to force Sony to give them what they want. Well, the latter has done a pretty good job of making it look like Disney are the ones to blame, so that might now force them to relent and accept something below 50%.

It's hard to say, but, as of right now, no one is going to come out of this situation looking good.

Who Will Replace Spider-Man In The MCU?

Spider-Man brought something very different to the Marvel Cinematic Universe as we got to see a superhero in high school dealing with problems vastly different to those faced by characters like Captain America and Iron Man.

Peter's absence will leave a void in the MCU that doesn't necessarily have to be filled, but does close the door on many of the stories Marvel Studios could have otherwise told. There are a lot of possibilities for who could take Spidey's place, including the Sam Alexander version of Nova, Ms. Marvel, or pretty much any member of the Young Avengers.

Will that be as satisfying as seeing Spidey in action, though? Nope.

What Will Happen To The Rest Of The Cast?

The cast of the first two Spider-Man movies presumably signed deals with Sony Pictures rather than Marvel Studios, but this change behind the scenes could have a significant impact on those contracts and the likes of Marisa Tomei and Zendaya may have the option to not reprise their roles.

On the other hand, it's equally as likely that they're locked in to whatever comes next, and they'll be forced to star in those next two movies whether they like it or not.

What Happens To Dark Avengers?

Well, it's probably not happening for starters! It's no secret that Marvel Studios has a number of rough drafts lying around their offices, and based on countless reports, Dark Avengers is among them. Now, a movie like that doesn't need to have Norman Osborn in it ,but it would certainly help and if this is something Feige had planned, you have to believe it's now been scrapped.

There was no mention of the wall-crawler at Comic-Con, but seeds for the Dark Avengers could have been planted in at least some of the Phase 4 movies and TV shows, while common sense says that another Spider-Man movie would have been added to the slate for a 2021 release.

We may never know what might have been, but Spider-Man's disappearance will send ripples through the MCU.

Can Spider-Man Survive Without The MCU?

Sony definitely ran the wall-crawler into the ground before partnering with Marvel Studios, but Venom was a box office hit and Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse - made independently of Marvel - won an Oscar. While it's easy to imagine scenarios where the next Spider-Man movie is as messy as The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Sony could easily continue this story without any references to the MCU.

The MCU will certainly survive without Spidey, and there's no reason to think that Spidey can't survive without the MCU. Things are definitely going to be different, but the character isn't doomed...yet.

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bkmeijer2 - 8/22/2019, 3:42 AM

Holland said he is willing to play Spider-Man to the end of his days, so it wouldn't be surprising if he does return. If it is only for one movie, then let it be a live-action Spider-Verse

Kumkani - 8/22/2019, 3:43 AM

Apparently Sony unfollowed Tom Holland as well on social media so I don't know.

Someone just un[frick] this mess. I predict Sony may be worse off but both parties don't need this. Sony will get most of the hate and boycott and this may cost the MCU instability it does not need transitioning into this new phase.

Origame - 8/22/2019, 3:44 AM

This is just pure speculation. This exact situation would still be present had the deal between marvel and sony hadn't followed through.

tmp3 - 8/22/2019, 3:44 AM

Jon Watts is doing Methusaleh for Michael B. Jordan & WB next, so I always expected him to either not return or them to delay the third one till he's done. Also, the CEO of Sony Pictures Tom Rothman forced the upcoming Uncharted film to de-age Nathan Drake just so they could get Holland in that role, since he likes him that much, so they're gonna try as hard as they can to keep him locked in for at least the one more film in his contract.

DetectiveCinema - 8/22/2019, 3:44 AM

This is just going from bad to worse.

AFriendFromWork - 8/22/2019, 3:44 AM

This level of anger has not been experienced since Vin Diesel learnt the rock got a Fast & Furious spin off!!

Kurne - 8/22/2019, 3:45 AM

Tom Holland was literally cast by Sarah Finn and the Russos. The MCU is the only playground he knows, so he can't be OK with this.

At this point I think everyone dares Sony to reboot again.

Spock0Clock - 8/22/2019, 3:45 AM

"...he appears to have unfollowed Sony on Instagram and if he's loyal to Marvel Studios, that could force Sony to reconsider their position."

Drama.

KWilly - 8/22/2019, 3:48 AM

I swear... I mofo'ing swear, if they reboot this crap again...

This has gone from upsetting to infuriating.

manofillintent1 - 8/22/2019, 3:49 AM

Why would either of them want to really? After everything they’ve been building towards has been tossed out the window

Brave - 8/22/2019, 3:49 AM

Sony: look Tom I know you're still sad about not being in the MCU anymore but we've got some ideas for the next Spider-Man movie that you're gonna love --

Tom Holland:

EgoEgor - 8/22/2019, 3:51 AM

This is a shits shoe. If they don't come to a deal, EVERYBODY LOSES. Disney/Marvel really needs the Spider-Man tentpole in their MCU and Sony needs the machine of Feige's MCU to churn out more successful hits. If there's no deal then it's just both parties wanting a relatively bigger slice of a smaller pie rather than a relatively smaller slice of a much bigger pie.

TheUnworthyThor - 8/22/2019, 3:52 AM

If that turns out to be the case then have fun with your non-MCU non-Tom Holland third reboot of Spider-man. You’re going to need all the luck you can get.

Odinborn - 8/22/2019, 3:53 AM

It's all speculation until either Holland or Watts (hell, even Sony) break their silence on the matter and provide actual facts.

MotherGooseUPus - 8/22/2019, 3:53 AM

Dear Sony:

Dear Sony, from Tom, the MCU and all the Fans:

tmp3 - 8/22/2019, 3:56 AM

@KingCipher - this Spider-Man news was such a shock it took down the whole site with it

Brave - 8/22/2019, 3:57 AM

Sony took Spider-Man from the MCU and dragged the CBM servers along him.

WakandanQueen - 8/22/2019, 3:57 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/ctfm4e/tom_holland_in_2017_im_not_giving_up_my_ticket_in/

FireandBlood - 8/22/2019, 3:58 AM

Even on the off-chance Tom Holland does stick around, this iteration of the character is far too ingrained in the MCU for Sony to make a direct continuation without Marvel Studios involvement, so we’re either going to get a terrible sequel that doesn’t reference anything that’s happened or Peter’s been through in the last five movies, or another reboot. Either way, this franchise is totally screwed.

OmegaDaGrodd - 8/22/2019, 3:58 AM

It's not that I don't think it's possible for Sony to make a good Spider-Man movie, it's that the percentage chance of them making a good one outside the MCU shadow only increases when they're kinda tangentially still in it

Losing Watts pretty much vacates any remaining adults in the room from Feige's team, and we aren't even having a conversation anymore if they lose Holland too

Brave - 8/22/2019, 4:00 AM

@tmp3 -

WakandanQueen - 8/22/2019, 4:01 AM

There is one way for Marvel Studios to still make a Spider-Man film...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECgj5uoXsAAPiFc?format=jpg&name=900x900

IronMandarin - 8/22/2019, 8:38 AM

@WakandanQueen - Imagine this weekend at D23 Night Monkey confirmed for Phase 4.

FireandBlood - 8/22/2019, 4:03 AM

@Sony -

Make the deal.

tmp3 - 8/22/2019, 4:06 AM

@UrkelBot - not excited for the next spider-verse?

WakandanQueen - 8/22/2019, 4:06 AM

@UrkelBot

Disney were willing for 70/30. They also wanted to pay for 50% of the film.

Brave - 8/22/2019, 4:07 AM

Sony: What really happened was Disney wanted 50 per--

Every Marvel fan and their grandmother:

FireandBlood - 8/22/2019, 4:12 AM

@UrkelBot - Even after Venom and Into the Spider-Verse, Sony still weren’t in a position where they can continue on with this iteration of the character with Marvel Studios, nor are they in a position where they can reboot the character again, so quickly, especially coming off a version character that’s been so well received and is a part of the biggest franchise in the world, so they’ve played themselves. They need Marvel, so no matter how unappealing the deal was for them, turning it down was always going to put them in a wider situation.

As for Spider-Man PS4, Sony doesn’t have those rights, so there’s really nothing stopping Disney from pulling the game from Insomniac and giving it to another developer and making it cross-platform. And with how petty Disney has been about X-Men and Fantastic Four march in the past, I wouldn’t put such antics past them.

Spock0Clock - 8/22/2019, 4:14 AM

As this article now reaches 40 comments, we must now bid farewell to the comments as they disappear to the mysterious second page that will ever keep its secrets...

nikgrid - 8/22/2019, 4:17 AM

Tom Holland would be an idiot not to play Spidey again, and everyone has to remember EVERYONE IS TO BLAME.

Disney wanted 50/50 share, and Sony said no, they would like to extend the current deal (The deal everyone was happy with) and DISNEY WALKED AWAY.

Tom Rothman and Sony are [frick]ers for not being flexible but c'mon let's be honest Disney caused this cluster[frick] just as much.

Brave - 8/22/2019, 4:17 AM

Farewell first page and onto new adventures

Spock0Clock - 8/22/2019, 4:18 AM

Just out of curiosity, is there anyone following this story who is happy with the idea that Sony would make their own non-MCU Spider-Man, but also wants them to keep the MCU continuity and cast?

(Maybe not the best time to ask when replying is down, but) I would have thought the entire appeal of getting Spidey away from Feige would be the prospect of a recast and reboot.

Kumkani - 8/22/2019, 4:21 AM

@Spock0Clock - Goodbye 41+ comments. We may never know thee :(

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