Editorial: Superman's Physique

Editorial: Superman's Physique

In which I speak of something in modern times I disagree.

Editorial Opinion
By BobGarlen - Nov 24, 2010 07:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Superman
Source: Robert Garlen





First, this will be my last Superman related editorial for a while. I'm sure some of you are sick of my talking about Superman and my theory surrounding him. Second, it took a while to make the row of drawn Superman and put it together. It illustrates my point as well as the picture of the actor playing Supes/Clark.

Okay, let's beg. Superman was created back in the 1930's. Upon his, release his physical from was very different to how he is portrayed today by fans. Originally, Superman wasn't as buff as a tank, but closer to the average size of a man who lifts heavy stuff for work ( i.e. factory and dock work implied to those who do not know who Superman actually is). I believe there was a common reason for this being the fact that comics at the time were aimed to and bought for children of the ages of 5 to 14. For them to see a Superman about the size of their father who would more than likely be a dock or factory worker, would allow the kid to look onto his father with admiration, thinking "My dad looks as buff as Superman! I bet he's a hero just like him" mentality into the minds of young children.

Honestly, I don't entirely believe in that excuse for his size in late 30's. It fits pretty well seeing as we were getting out of the Great Depression and the Dust bowl was about to end. Upon viewing the physical stature of Superman until the mid to late 60's a common physique was established. Superman was about as physically big as an average hard working American on a good diet. This assisted me in the idea of his being super. I've always enjoyed the idea of a person who's not physically imposing being able to lift a car suspending the belief of a human mind, which works in many ways for someone like Spider-Man. With Superman, this is how I wish it was.

Why should Superman look like he could pick up a car when we know he can? Wouldn't it be more fun and creative and suspend the belief more if he was average sized in muscles? I mean it seems more unexpected and more fantastic. I enjoyed his physical stature in “Earth One” by JMS, because Superman was about an average sized guy in his 20's that (unlike me) doesn't embrace the dollar menu of Burger King or McDonalds. It really allows me to absorb this fantastic world where it seems anything can be possible. if some people, especially Superman, don't look big enough to lift something huge. I think it really draws back to the underdog sensibility. Seeing Superman as an underdog would cause us to root for him more, because the victory would be all the sweeter. For some reason the majority of the artists at DC have decided that Superman should look like if he hits you with even a fraction of his real strength that you'll be on a vacation to the moon. It takes me out of the story and makes little sense to see Superman looking like he’s staring without the heat vision will feel like you've been hit by a semi. Am I the only person who feels this way? I hope not. I like to see artists try new things. With Superman he doesn't need to look colossal. Look at the picture of the actors who've played Clark/Supes. Do they actually look like they’re big enough to kick a person into outer space?

I don't think so. To be honest Reeve was the biggest physically of the actors and yet he was only about averaged size for a person who jogs and works out on an average basis back in the 70's. George Reeves and Kirk Allyn and Dean Cain all look like averaged sized workers and yet they did some decent renditions of the character. George Reeves especially. Heck, for some people, George Reeves is Superman. Yet these actors don't look physically imposing, at least not to me. My favorite for physicality is Brandon Routh, my second favorite Superman. He has the body of a swimmer which gave give the flying scenes a natural feel that worked on every level. And even more so, it's stunning in “Superman Returns” when he lifts that huge Kryptonite mountain. Yet he doesn't look like he could. There was a moment in the theater when I was caught completely in "AWE" and ended up being the reason why I love Routh as Superman.

I understand many of you have clung to the idea of Superman having to be buff. I understand that. Don't think I'm trying to get people to make Superman a bean pole here. I just want to see Superman not being so big that he looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger back in the 60's. Instead, I’d rather see his being an average size so that there is some suspended belief in the grandeur of his doing something spectacular and beyond that of mortal men. It gives the story a unique subtext to it that really reaches into our minds and allows us to want to root for that character more.

Am I the only one who wants to see Superman not being the man with a thousand large muscles and instead looking of average exercises routinely looking strength? I'm for an average sized Superman and hopefully some others share my perspective.
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BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 11/24/2010, 8:08 PM
I pretty much agree. People complained about Routh's build, but he was actually pretty muscular. I don't think Superman should be huge, partially because I think it should be believable that people wouldn't expect Clark was Superman. I say make him maybe a little bigger than average build but place emphasis on muscle tone rather than size.
patriautism
patriautism - 11/24/2010, 8:17 PM
Dude I agree 100%..
He can destroy whole cities without even trying, so why does he need to look like a meat head?
Obviously he doesn't have to work out to be strong.
You talked about Earth One, I love how he was the smallest guy on the football field in the comic, and the coach laughed at him.
Then he proceeded to score in every offensive and defensive position. The coaches expression was hilarious to say the least. Another point would be that if Superman is massive, Clark is also massive. An average build is much easier to disguise.
BTW great article !

ager
ager - 11/24/2010, 8:33 PM
Sometimes i wonder how he can get big when, for me to do so,i lift heavy weights. i mean, what the hell he is gonna lift to get that great physique. ther's nothing heavy enough. but then i also think that he should have a hardy, farm-boy body... under clothes... but in the cape he's gotta look muscular. it could go either way. great read
LP4
LP4 - 11/24/2010, 8:56 PM
Yeah, he doesn't need to be huge. Look at most of the big strong actors in hollywood that kinda suck at acting- John Cena and Swarzenneger. It's hard to find a bodybuilder type who can act as a convincing Superman.
superotherside
superotherside - 11/24/2010, 9:10 PM
agree dude! good article!
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 11/24/2010, 10:09 PM
@Superguy1591 Whats the deal with Joe? I personally would rather he stay away from Superman, not saying he's a bad actor its just: A.) Too many hardcore fans will remember him as Flash Thompson. B.) Just let Snyder cast who he wants, I feel that as good a director Snyder is and as passionate he is about the film I'm sure he'll exhaust himself making sure everything he's doing is for the greater good of the character and Film. I've grown to accept it won't be Routh. Rumors are it's going to be an Unknown
marvelguy
marvelguy - 11/24/2010, 10:26 PM
Comics in the 1930'3 were aimed at teens, not five year-olds.

I disagree. They have been matching the actors to the character's specs. The audience wants him to be a super man. He should be big enough to stand out, but not NBA tall which disallows the secret identity.

At 6'4" and a bit over 200 lbs, he has size but isn't ridiculous. Routh as a Reeve clone had the look and size. Reeve trained to put on 30lbs. of muscle for the part.

Remember, it was unusual to see muscle bound gym rats when they created Superman. With supplements and twenty-four hour gyms, we see sizable and muscular guys regularly that aren't professional athletes or professional body builders. Supes has to stand out. He just doesn't need to be Hulk big.
joe61478
joe61478 - 11/25/2010, 4:33 AM
The new movie should have Superman muscular and cut. It would be faithful to the comics and I would believe that no one would want to mess with him.
Angelus
Angelus - 11/25/2010, 6:22 AM
I totally agree with you! Finally its being said. Routh looked good! He could've gotten a tiny bit bigger but overall he was surely athletic. And its SUPERMAN! He is supercharged! It could be a mouse from Krypton and it could lift Empire State building. We dont want Superman looking like a mr olympia, no body is gonna take him serious. The physique Routh had pluss 10/15 kilos more. Thats Superman incarnated.

BMP!
LP4
LP4 - 11/25/2010, 8:23 AM
I just wish they'd cast the new Superman already. Damn it's taking forever. Ever since the reboot was first announced I've waited for a new actor.

@Angelus- Give it up- ROUTH AINT RETURNING. You can beg at Snyder's feet all you want from this day forward but mister "wooden-acting style brandon routh" will be kept away from this REBOOT. I am happy Supes will finally get a TRUE reboot ala "The Incredible Hulk" "Batman Begins" and the "Spidey reboot" in that they are RECASTING.

And what do you mean it's "finally" being said??? About nearly 90% of the posters here on CBM are "Routhbootists". He gets more cred than he deserves. He did no real acting in Superman Returns (he had nearly zero dialogue) I am not saying it was his fault but c'mon, you really think ONE failed Superman film where he barely even acted would qualify him to work with the talented likes of Nolan and Snyder????!

Matthew Goode is starting to grow on me, he seems more 'Superman' than routh could ever hope to be. Routh can be Superman again...in his DREAMS but even that seems a bit unlikely at this point. His Superman film will forever be tainted and sold on the $5 walmart discount aisles.

Whoever is cast as Superman in the Snyder reboot will be THE SUPERMAN OF MY GENERATION. =) I can just feel it.

whysoserious1900
whysoserious1900 - 11/25/2010, 8:58 AM
First off WELLING DOESNT BELONG Up THERE he
doesnt even have the suit on hint hint hasnt
portrayed the Man Of Steel!! Great read and I
agree with you especially about ROUTH. If you
know SUPERMAN and his stats he's 6'3" 225lbs
exactly the same size of ROUTH. I wouldnt think
Kal-el would be huge ,but slightly big with great
muscle tone and definition..like ROUTH. There hasnt
been a better looking SUPERMAN than ROUTH no one had
the combination of his size 6'3" 225lbs muscular n cut
no one!! Chris Reeve was 6'4" 225lbs and he was
somewhat
smallish not as muscular or cut as ROUTH.
WELLING had the look somewhat back in 01-02 now the
guy is just plain FAT!! The rest either didnt have
the hgt,wgt,muscule tone,or facial features. One more
thing I'll point out you said ROUTH had the body of a
swimmer are you kidding? Have you ever seen photos of
ROUTH SHIRTLESS? THE GUY isnt just toned but he's RIPPED
also I've never seen a ripped musculed up swimmer. ROUTH
HAS THE BUILD of a nfl wide-out or MMA FIGHTER.

LP4
LP4 - 11/25/2010, 9:09 AM
routhbootists need to give it up. He isn't returning (thank GOD) Superman deserves a proper REBOOT. Reboot= RECAST c'mon people.

It's funny how ever since the most recent news had confirmed Routh wouldn't be brought back, all the routhbootists are now coming out in force to defend him all of a sudden.

We need a NEW Superman and an actual- GOOD actor this time. Routh and Welling can't act.
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 11/25/2010, 10:27 AM
@LP4 I'm a Routhist, and to be honest a lot of what Routh did was good in my book, personally i'd like to see him take the role and turn it into his own, but i'm being realistic and wondering what unknown they're going to get for Superman.

@Xenix, well it's not a picture i put together, but one thing you can notice is he's not Ultra Mr.Olympion sized like many artist draw him. and Chris Reeves is wearing a cup, Alexander Salkind said on set "Either Superman has a Big one or he doesn't have one."
whysoserious1900
whysoserious1900 - 11/25/2010, 10:31 AM
Personally Im not pulling for ROUTH to come back.
I dont think he is so why waste the time
commenting on it..I just think phyiscally he
was the best out of the bunch.
LP4
LP4 - 11/25/2010, 11:18 AM
@Garlen- I'm just saying- Supes has been tainted with REALLY shitty actors as of late. I just want him to be blessed with a good actor for once. Look at Batman- Christian Bale, GL- Ryan Reynolds and heck Spidey has- Andrew Garfield.

I honestly can't envision Routh leading Bale and Reynolds in a team-up scenario. Bale and Reynolds are both classically trained, A-List actors. Both filled with amazing talent in many films spanning the years.

Routh is a newcomer and starred in a failed Superman film where he barely even talked and did no real acting. I just can't honestly see him with Bale and Reynolds, let alone LEADING them into battle.

Matthew Goode is a pretty great option. Like Bale and Reynolds- Goode is classically trained AND he's a fresh face for the reboot- just what Supes needs at this point rather than 'more of the same'

@whysoserious1900- Routh was skinny. "Angelus" made an article BEGGING for Routh to come back and he posted pics of Routh from Superman Returns and in those pix you can see just how skinny he really was. IN most Superman comics i read- Supes is BUILT. He has MUSCLES. I'm not saying he's a [frick]en bodybuilder but he has muscle. Routh had none.

I would say Reeve was the best physically for Supes. Hopefully our NEW Superman will be built but if they do go the CGI route then we can expect the Superman we've always wanted to see on the big screen- BIG AND STRONG like in the comics.

Routh looked more like a pool-boy, than a MAN OF STEEL. Like i said- Routh WILL be forever remembered as Superman- The FAILED Superman that is. His 'Returns' film will be in the "Return" aisles of every store from Frys, Walmart and heck maybe Target too.

Whoever is cast in the reboot, if the film is successful and they actually ACT in the film, then that person will be the SUPERMAN OF OUR GENERATION.
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 11/25/2010, 11:49 AM
@LP4 I understand the whole Recast him with another actor cause it's a reboot thing, but i like Routh, i feel Routh putting on some muscle would be good enough for me. And to be honest I'm not a Fan of Ryan Renolds as Hal, he seems more like Guy in my Opinion. Not to say i'm not liking what i'm seeing, i'm just not seeing Hal as much as Guy.
Bale had to really claw to get into A-List films and partly he is because of Nolan and American Psycho, Ryan Renolds plays the same old part over and over. So i can understand you wanting a new actor. But no Matthew Goode, He's either Dr. Doom, Lex Luthor, or Brainiac. I want to see an unknown more than a current A-Lister.
Ibz
Ibz - 11/25/2010, 12:04 PM
great article agree with you on everything except for one thing i dont think its right to have routh back i aint saying he did a bad job but he was'nt great either, and this is a fresh start snyder will not want to be connected with superman returns in anyway and i think the best thing is to go for a unknown, it seems superman film/tv have a tradition of going with unknowns, and i agree he dosent have to be a body builder but i think its important for him to have the right height atleast
Ibz
Ibz - 11/25/2010, 12:14 PM
so what are you going to do next now that your finished with superman
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 11/25/2010, 12:18 PM
Nice article.

But I am not with you at all. I want a Superman who is indeed big and just rippling with muscles. I think that is the proper image and the one that makes the most sense. It is indeed how he has been presented for most of his 75 years.

If I understand your logic you are saying that Superman should not look like he could actually lift a car because it is better that his strength seem like magic? This somehow leads to us seeing the invulnerable, superstrong, superfast, Man of Steel as the underdog?

That is a very interesting construction and I give you full points for the effort. But what I see is you saying the opposite of what I think it is true ie:

If Superman looks like he could match any human power-lifter then when he does indeed lift a car we are much more likely to accept it. The idea in modern films is to reduce the number of times you have to resort to 'magic' to make things work.

I think Superman should indeed be one big guy. He should look like the unstoppable force that he is. I think he needs a new suit badly but...



That guy on the Left. That is what I want Superman to look like. Well within human range but looking powerful.
steelrocks
steelrocks - 11/25/2010, 12:28 PM
"Why should Superman look like he could pick up a car when we know he can?"
-hummm because he is.. superman?

"Wouldn't it be more fun and creative and suspend the belief more if he was average sized in muscles?"
- no that would be dumb. He is constantly depicted as an imposing figure in the comics, by professional writers. Many of them. Thankfully

"I mean it seems more unexpected and more fantastic"
- couldnt disagree more


Like mentioned before, in the first movies there was nobody with strong physique in the cinematic universe period. Doesnt mean that things should stay that way


I agree that Routh was not tiny, he had some muscles but not enough to look strong enough with the shirt on.
steelrocks
steelrocks - 11/25/2010, 1:01 PM
Darqueone, my thoughts too.
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 11/25/2010, 4:20 PM
@TheDarqueone Well I'm just saying i don't want Superman to look like he's a body Builder, doesn't make much sense I'm supporting the idea that it would be Clark Kent hitting the gym on a regular basis, but not looking like his arms are about as big around as an adult persons head. Superman looking to buff in a spandex suit on screen would look very ridiculous.

@Steelrocks30 He's Superman, does that mean he should looks like a 6ft Tall Hulk? NO! He should look average size in my opinion, plus some people actually go to the movies for Disbelief to be suspended in a world that doesn't exist for an hour or two. For Superman to be presented as an Imposing figure isn't right, Superman isn't about Scaring people or looking threatening, he's about giving people hope. So the idea of Superman presenting him self as an imposing figure doesn't fly in the least. Yes Superman should have muscles but he definitely does not need to look like a Mr.Olympia Contestant.
BLADE4040
BLADE4040 - 11/25/2010, 5:45 PM
I agree that SUPERMAN should be big and strong
but at the same time check out hollywood there's
not many actors fitting that bill. Either they
cant act but have the look or can act and dont
have the look.

Someone mentioned REEVE was the most
phyiscally impressive of all the SUPERMEN every casted. He
was the tallest but certainly not the most muscular!
Now Im a big guy 6'2" 265-275lbs with a 38in waistline
I know good size when I see it.

ROUTH wasnt huge, but he was tall and muscular fit and cut. He doesnt have the
big bulky frame I think most of you want for SUPERMAN
which is fine, but to call a guy skinny at 225-230lbs
is kinda funny to me.

Right now to this point ROUTH has come the closest to
me in size for SUPERMAN Im open to a fresh face, but I
wouldnt mind ROUTH coming back either.

Anyway like most things everyone is going to see things
slightly different Im just one who's famailar with
fitness says that ROUTH was by far to this point the
BEST LOOKING SUPERMAN to hit the screen so far!

Like I mention earlier only REEVE was taller and that's by only an inch..name someone who was bigger.
Knightstalker
Knightstalker - 11/25/2010, 6:30 PM
I never liked the "Returns" suit. It's just wrong on every level. As for those people who don't like Welling to stand with the rest of the people in the Super suit, get over your bad selves. I'm NOT a big fan of Welling but he has every right to stand with his fellow Supermen. He's a great young Clark Kent (I don't think he can carry on as a Superman) and CK is every bit a part of the Superman mythos. Remember, in the picture at the top of the page, Welling is the only one in street clothes.
YourMomNaked
YourMomNaked - 11/25/2010, 7:46 PM
Superman has been drawn BIG and so he should be BIG. What's next, a blonde Superman?!
LP4
LP4 - 11/25/2010, 7:59 PM
I agree with "Knightstalker" and to be honest I feel Welling has more of a right to be in that picture than Routh (suit or not) because he has been Clark for 10 freaken years, routh was Supes in 1 REALLY BAD movie that nearly re-destroyed the entire Superman franchise. Welling's lack of a suit does not disqualify him from standing with the others. I prefer to pretend routh never wore the suit
LP4
LP4 - 11/25/2010, 8:27 PM
Dean Cain was always my fav live action Supes. People can hate on him but the man by far portrayed the most modern and believable Supes. He was more relateable than the others for me and he gave a more 'ethnic' appearance which was interesting outside of the comics. The show had its corny moments but Cain was a good Supes but an even better 'C.K'

I hope the new film will at least bring 'Big Blue' back to his former status as being ABOVE all other CBM's because with media CRAP like- "Superman Returns" and "Smallville" both basically taking jabs at Superman and belittling his image through the years, God knows Supes is overdue for a great movie.
YourMomNaked
YourMomNaked - 11/25/2010, 8:39 PM
@BaneKill77...Muscular definition doesn't transfer through the suit. I think Superman just needs to look BULKY enough to look BIG. I'm all for Welling.
mastarockafella
mastarockafella - 11/25/2010, 10:07 PM
They need an actor who is huge, mascular and bulky because those cuts won't be visible once the suit is on and this i think, that they would use a little touch of CGI so they can add a definition in the suit.
mastarockafella
mastarockafella - 11/25/2010, 10:08 PM
I wouldn't mind Routh bulking up again for the man of steel.
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 11/26/2010, 4:04 AM
Superman has always been shown with very visible muscles. Considering how strong he is that is what people would expect. To date no movie or TV version has come even close to doing him right. I may have enjoyed most of those but in was in spite of what Supes looked like not because of it.

As long as you are looking for an unknown it would not be impossible to find a big guy who can also act. The number of people who wish to get into acting is always many times the number of those who are currently doing it.

Superman is supposed to be the toughest guy in the Solar System and he should look the part. That is how he has always been drawn and it is what makes the most sense.
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 11/26/2010, 4:15 AM
I missed this but I just cannot let this one go by...

Arminies said...

"ok so some of you want Superman big and huge. how about Clark? that ruins his character when he looks like Arnold walking around"

That is how it works. Superman still runs on his original ideas despite how silly and illogical they all are. He still wears the silly suit and hides behind a pair of Glasses. It does not matter that he is gigantic because he hunches up and makes Clark so wimpy nobody ever makes the connection.

Somehow I doubt we are going to see another classic Superman movie. You just cannot make all of that stuff work anymore in a movie, obviously you can in comics.
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