@MUTO123 -

The "Marvel Formula" for all the world to see how they do it.



Quick someone send this to WB, especially the part about screening the film for internal company members who are honest and not "yes men/women".

@LongMayHeReign - Yeah...Capt Marvel may not be the best example for showing the "Marvel Formula" Infinity War and Endgame would be better Capt Marvel is..a mess.

@LongMayHeReign - "And regardless of how the minority feels about it, the film made over a billion"

Boxoffice doesn't = quality

@LongMayHeReign - "Also I find it funny how you only mention the part of my comment that mentions the box office but not the part that mentions the well above average RT score."

Because RT means nothing really. Anyway this isn't an "MCU sucks" kind of thing it's a Captain Marvel sucks kind of thing, at least Aquaman had character growth even though it was a mediocre film. Carol was the same at the end as she was at the start except she could melt spaceships, and the final showdown was ridiculous Yon Rog was NO threat to her at all.

@LongMayHeReign - "they gave us her display of power that ending was closure for her character"

That's it? so you didn't disprove anything I said, Carol is the same at the start as she is at the end, except she can melt spaceships.

"Captain America has been the same character throughout the entirety of the MCU"

Cap's character changed SO much through the MCU if you never saw that you weren't really watching.

@LongMayHeReign - "Cap does not change as a character at all in TFA"

Nope YOU said Cap doesn't change character through the whole MCU. which is bollocks.

@nikgrid - Go ahead and tell me what Cap's arc is and how he changes as a character. Don't worry I'll wait.

@nikgrid - So in essence you're saying Cap disobeyed orders and went against the established rules right? Well guess what he's been doing that since day 1, he tried to cheat his military acceptance exam and kept applying even though he was repeatedly turned away. He then disobeyed direct orders and went to save Bucky and the entire regiment.

Cap's character is and always has stayed true to his own beliefs of right and wrong, nothing in Winter Soldier changes this aspect about his character. The only reason he distrusts the government is because he learns that they aren't doing the kind of good he believes in. Cap was never loyal to the government system, he is only loyal to the people around him who earn his trust. He only worked with the government until they deviated from his moral beliefs on what's right and wrong. Clearly you don't understand what character growth is, Cap is literally the same guy he's always been hence why he and Tony go back and forth in Civil War over the accords.

Also guess what, the example you just gave, if you deem that character growth then Carol did the same thing in her film. She was extremely loyal to the Kree as a people and her duty to serve them and prove herself to Yon-Rogg, yet she begins to doubt their motives and breaks free from their influence on her turning her back on them.

If that wack ass example of Cap's growth is all you got then it looks like Carol has more growth than him.

@nikgrid - I like how you make stuff up out of thin air. Cap is an expertly written character, but that doesn't change the fact that he has no arc and doesn't change at his core. Superman is the same way in like 80% of his comic runs. He has a moral code that he never deviates from no matter what the circumstances, and that is why he is praised as a beacon of hope because he stays true to who he is and has always been. The world constantly tells Cap he has to change the way he is but he doesn't, he experiences new things but who he is never changes. Stark changes A LOT during his run from being a self centered and ego driven person who always believes he can solve anything with his mind to a true hero willing to sacrifice everything for for not just his friends and family but for the world. Thor was an arrogant warrior god who was willing to commit genocide just to establish his dominance as the eventual new King of Asgard. He then lost everything he had including his home and ENTIRE family, he lost his confidence in himself and his will to fight. But he then became a true hero not just a god and found humility and love for those around him and now his story will continue in Thor 4.

So I ask again, what is Captain America's arc and how did he grow as a character from where he began?

@nikgrid - I wouldn't want to read it either if I knew I was wrong. Good strategy!

@tmp3 - didn't want to get booed probably

@JustAChillFan - Booed? Nah, they didn't want to get assaulted.

@tmp3 - shocking development

@JustAChillFan - Didn't Richard Madden get nominated (and win) last year?