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GhostDog
GhostDog - 5/4/2018, 7:12 PM
"His power is unparalleled"
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 5/4/2018, 7:13 PM
So Graviton wants to use Earth's gravitonium (thought it was more an invention from Franklin Hall) to fight back Thanos' invasion which was pretty much taking place soon in Wakanda and also use Quake? A nice tie-in. Would be better if the movie's writers and directors had worked with the show for possible ramifications in "Avengers 4".

This pic is cool, from Sreen Rant's Twitter.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 5/4/2018, 7:15 PM
@NinnesMBC - I'm pretty sure they're going to stop Talbot before he attempts to "save" us all.

Seems like his attmept to stop Thanos is what lead to the alternate tineline where the earth cracked.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 5/4/2018, 7:15 PM
@BlackBeltJones - exactly what you said
JDL
JDL - 5/4/2018, 7:16 PM
@NinnesMBC - No TV show shall ever have implications for the movies. It only works one way.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 5/4/2018, 7:44 PM
@BlackBeltJones - Well obviously.

I think the gravitonium going unstable is what would eventually lead to the destruction, Talbot's involvement is a new twist into this.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 5/4/2018, 7:46 PM
@JDL - It should be both ways if it is all connected which is the premise of the MCU. Chloe Bennet has issued her complains about that like 2 and a half years ago in fact and it is what pretty much all MCU wants to see.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 5/4/2018, 7:48 PM
@NinnesMBC - you already know the answer about why its not both ways. Don't come off as a broken record...
JDL
JDL - 5/4/2018, 8:14 PM
@NinnesMBC - The difference between when a May 2018 movie is written and when a May 2018 TV show is written is 2 to 2 1/2 years. That makes coordination impossible. The movie side is NOT letting their story out. Get over it.

Luckily for Marvel TV SHIELD is the only show that, in a perfect world,
would seriously connect to the movie side at all anyway.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 5/4/2018, 8:23 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - Um no I don't and I am pretty sure that the same reason that is always given is a mixture of a broken record and an excuse as used as "the dog ate my homework". I feel that no one ever wants to really admit why it isn't in fact both ways. Some do here but when a little push comes those that don't get defensive.

NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 5/4/2018, 8:26 PM
@JDL - There is no impossible at this point for a franchise like Marvel that has managed to make projects like Black Panther and Captain Marvel wait longer than it's original due date for new aditions like Spider-Man and Ant-Man and The Wasp and to get back the entire mutants and the F4 but there isn't time to coordinate with Jeph Loeb, the mind behind the shows for something like the 10th year anniverssary?

There is nothing I have to get over it. It's vice versa.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 5/4/2018, 8:27 PM
@NinnesMBC - Some people do understand why it isn't both ways. We have literally been told why over and over. And then there are those that don't understand, and keep asking the same question over and over... hence broken record.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 5/4/2018, 8:37 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - We have literally read the same evasive answer from higher ups like Feige who dodge the question over and over through the years. I only said that it would have been cooler that they had worked all together to further tie-it in. It isn't because they've never been in touch since at least late 2014/early 2015 when Feige drifted from the one that has control over TV who is Perlmutter.

Nothing's perfect, doesn't mean it isn't cool but you keep trying to hide the sun with a finger and it doesn't help much either.
JDL
JDL - 5/4/2018, 9:06 PM
@NinnesMBC - The problem isn't the lack of time to tell the TV side anything. It's that they aren't going to tell ANYONE anything that they don't have to in order to protect the story from getting out. Which it would.

As for Jeph Loeb he still works for Ike and they hate Ike. It might get a little better if Feige et al ran the TV side but not a whole lot. And since they have made crystal clear you will NEVER have to have seen a TV show in order to understand something in a movie a two way connection is not going to happen. Get over it.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 5/5/2018, 5:47 PM
@JDL - I just think that they put a lot of effort in coming up with new ways of branching out their universe through TV shows, they even went to negotiate with Fox before the X-Men and F4 deal to get back Silver Surfer but they managed to get back DD, LC, JJ and IF and in what is their 10th year with their biggest event these properties are missing out. Not even included in the big photo group that was taken last year and released months ago .And the only ones they've got to protect the story from getting out are Mark Ruffalo and Tom Holland, known spoilers as everyone has comes out to admit. :P

It has never been a requirement to go and watch the TV shows in order to know the plot of the movie(s). You only have to know the characters that have been developing outside the movies which literally half of people know.

Seriously its like one can't point one a tiny crack in a great honed armor without getting silenced.
Luminus
Luminus - 5/6/2018, 2:25 AM
@JDL - Star Trek and the X-Files affected their movies.
JDL
JDL - 5/6/2018, 1:38 PM
@Luminus - You're reaching. The first 6 Star Trek and all of X-Files movies are direct outgrowths of the TV series. That's not the case so far with the MCU.

But there is nothing stopping them from doing a movie based on one of the TV shows. That imo would be the best way to get a foot in the door.
Luminus
Luminus - 5/7/2018, 12:41 AM
@JDL - I am reaching... and yet it's there. Ike Perlmutter is the problem that no one wants to admit to.
JDL
JDL - 5/7/2018, 5:00 PM
@Luminus - Expand on why Ike is the problem with the film people refusing to play.
JDL
JDL - 5/8/2018, 3:12 PM
@Luminus - ::sigh:: Look I know there are some disagreements. For one thing Ike is frugal as hell. But that doesn't explain what you think it does. Feige has to justify his actions to Alan Horn and a dislike for Ike doesn't cut it.

As for the Inhumans that is all on the showrunner & writers. Even with a TV budget it could have been a lot better. I don't see Feige having any part in this particular pile of excrement.
Luminus
Luminus - 5/8/2018, 9:57 PM
@JDL - Inhumans was announced as a movie, then it suddenly went to TV. That's the fiasco I'm referring to. And, yeah, it explains it as far as I'm concerned. There's nothing AT ALL stopping them from writing at least a line or having a news broadcast in the background pointing to the the Marvel television series. Someone's in the way.
JDL
JDL - 5/9/2018, 2:07 AM
@Luminus - Hmmm. Inhuman's was dropped from the movie side when they made the deal for Spidey. That had zero to do with Kevin hates Ike.

As for not directly referencing the TV side. What you are suggesting is just cheap-ass fan service which weakens the movie. They don't have the time to spare for that. It would be wasted on much of the movie audience who are not familiar with the TV side in any case. So yeah there is something stopping them; avoiding bad writing traps.

Here is how I see it. The CBM's with large groups of heroes fall into two basic types;

1) Groups comprised of individual heroes joining together to achieve some larger goal.(Avengers, Guardians) Avengers differs from Guardians in there are solo outings providing character development and backstory.

2) Groups comprised of heroes already joined together. (X-Men, F4,). They normally operate as a unit and have similar origins.

All of the failures and mediocrities have come from type 2. Inhuman's fit that mold and likely would have sucked similarly. The only way I can seem them in a movie as a group is if they are the opposition. As always YMMV.
Luminus
Luminus - 5/9/2018, 2:16 AM
@JDL - "All of the failures and mediocrities have come from type 2. "

That's rather disingenuous, when you know that Marvel had nothing to do with those movies. In any case, we aren't going to agree on this one. So, I'll leave it at that.
JDL
JDL - 5/10/2018, 9:28 PM
@Luminus - Not at all disingenuous. These are Marvel characters and Marvel Studios were consulted on every movie. But you're right, we aren't going to agree on this one. So, I'll leave it at that as well.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 5/4/2018, 7:15 PM
Holy crap this was episode was crazy, great episode! So much awesomeness going on, need to rewatch. But some observations:
- the opening scene with Talbot and Phil going up to the ship was excellent
- the visuals in this episode were OUTSTANDING. Fantastic. The alien ship looked excellent, the Zephyr going into space were excellent, all was great. Goddamn SHIELD is second to none.
- they played Flint's tune when the Zephyr went into space!! Gave me chills and the feels at the same time. So beautiful.
- Deke was hilarious, blaming Fitz for the lemons, etc. But also sad because of what Deke wants but as of now can't get with Daisy. Well done
- the Daisy/Yoyo fight was great
- Graviton is a freaking badass!! I can tell he will already join the list of great Marvel TV villains. So ruthless, love his powers of negotiation. Pasdar is doing a great job.
- Daisy vs Graviton- Talbot barely even budged!
- the confederacy of 6!! Kasius' father!! When they initially named 4 of the Confederacy races, I knew the Kree were one of the other 2. And I couldn't help but think that the Skrulls could be the other race.
- the prophecy is coming true. Now they have the gravitonium installed in the Zephyr
- THANOS IS COMING!!!! Great tie in with Infinity War. So this episode was seemingly set right when Thanos' forces start invading Wakanda.
JDL
JDL - 5/4/2018, 7:18 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - Actually the Thanos drop is a week off because Disney moved up the premiere date by a week.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 5/4/2018, 7:19 PM
@JDL - right... but this episode clearly takes place the same day as last week's episode. So... it works out well.
JDL
JDL - 5/4/2018, 8:15 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - Point ! :)
ScionStorm
ScionStorm - 5/6/2018, 2:35 AM
@JDL - Actually they referenced it last week when the Candyman asked Daisy if she heard about what was happening in New York at that moment.
JDL
JDL - 5/6/2018, 4:29 PM
@ScionStorm - Imo the the Thanos drop would have been better the week before. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 5/4/2018, 7:18 PM
Next week's episode is going to be crazy!!! Big WTF at the end of the episode with Kasius' father receiving Quake. This must be how his sons hear of her...

Also, notice that the promo says SEASON finale rather than series finale...
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