CAPTAIN AMERICA Star Anthony Mackie Is Disappointed FALCON AND WINTER SOLDIER Didn't Get A Second Season
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CAPTAIN AMERICA Star Anthony Mackie Is Disappointed FALCON AND WINTER SOLDIER Didn't Get A Second Season

THE FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER Did Indeed Cut A Potentially Controversial Subplot Prior To Release
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GhostDog
GhostDog - 2/8/2021, 8:19 AM
GREAT TRAILER! Can't wait to see Madripoor.

Anyone notice the figures behind US Agent in the center of the poster? Could be the Thunderbolts.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 2/8/2021, 8:38 AM
@BlackBeltJones - It's just the Flag Smashers.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 2/8/2021, 8:44 AM
@SonOfAGif - It looks like they're occupying the low left of the poster, but it could be more of them in the center too.
Vigor
Vigor - 2/8/2021, 9:17 AM
@BlackBeltJones - there's somebody with a shield back there too
GhostDog
GhostDog - 2/8/2021, 9:24 AM
@Vigor - could be Isaiah Bradley and the other black soldiers experimented on.

Showing the complicated history of the shield that Sam talked about.
90caliber
90caliber - 2/8/2021, 9:35 AM
@BlackBeltJones - I Noticed John Walker is dressed as U. S. Agent. He has on the black and red. I wonder if they actually give him the Captain America name. He was the Super Patriot as well. I also wonder if they will address his mental state. John Walker in the comics wasn't all there.
DerekLake
DerekLake - 2/8/2021, 10:34 AM
@SonOfAGif - It’s just the dancers on the half-time show stage.

https://ibb.co/12bNFDY


DerekLake
DerekLake - 2/8/2021, 10:35 AM
@BlackBeltJones - It’s just the half-time dancers on the center stage as shown in the trailer. Embed didn’t work, but if you contrast the image, you can see that it’s just concept art of them: https://ibb.co/12bNFDY
GhostDog
GhostDog - 2/8/2021, 10:36 AM
@DerekLake - thanks!
MotherFuckerJon
MotherFuckerJon - 2/8/2021, 8:27 AM
I wonder how if at all Wandavision affects this. I know FWS was supposed to come out first and Black Widow post credit was supposed to tie in to FWS. I am just realizing how tall of a task Marvel Studios is facing with this pandemic. All movie studios really. But with Marvel Studios relying on cohesive storytelling, they face an uphill battle keeping everything on track and being able to do the 1 billion dollar draws we are used to.
inkniron
inkniron - 2/8/2021, 8:38 AM
Here's hoping #2 is The Power Broker
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 2/8/2021, 8:40 AM
I wonder how Zemo will physically hold his own. Hand to hand he might take down Sam as he was a trained soldier and trained himself to be an assassin. But against Bucky he would get bodied big time. So it will be interesting how they handle that
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 2/8/2021, 8:45 AM
@SonOfAGif - I'm hoping this series can fix a lot of things with Zemo. I want them to reveal that his grandfather was Baron Zemo in WW2 and worked with Hydra. Current day Zemo discovers this, learns that the Baron Zemo moniker has been passed down their family line for generations, so he takes it up in current days.

But that still doesn't explain how he would be able to fight Sam and Bucky. He was just a mastermind type villain in Civil War, he definitelg didn't strike me a badass fighter with a sword and pistol like the comics. And saying he's been training to fight after Civil War isn't enough to make it believable that he could stand toe to toe with Sam or Bucky.
MotherFuckerJon
MotherFuckerJon - 2/8/2021, 9:05 AM
@SonOfAGif - hopefully with a sword.
90caliber
90caliber - 2/8/2021, 9:40 AM
@SonOfAGif - Hey, you can't just discount Sam as a fighter. He is a combat vet, and his teacher was Captain America. A couple of years together hunting Bucky and another couple on the run, with Black Widow as well, he learned something. And I hope they show that.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 2/8/2021, 2:36 PM
@CorndogBurglar - Well, he’s ex-special forces... Sokovian Special Forces, truthfully, but leader of a kill squad. It suggests that he can do decently well in combat.

I mean, Batman trained his whole life and he still has trouble with a clown, a short, portly guy with a monocle, and an ex-District Attorney. I’m sure that Zemo can give Sam and Bucky enough trouble.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 2/8/2021, 6:04 PM
@Chewtoy - I don't remember him being special forces. So that makes it much better.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 2/8/2021, 6:39 PM
@CorndogBurglar - Yeah, in Civil War Friday says that he’s a colonel who ran a covert kill squad named EKO Scorpian for Sokovian Intelligence.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 2/8/2021, 8:40 AM
This trailer was so good.

But I'm willing to bet that the Government doesn't let Sam become Cap, based on him being a fugitive after the Sokovia Accords. So they take the shield and give it to John Walker, someone they believe to be more willing to blindly follow their orders who won't put personal morals first.

But then he ends up getting caught up in something villainous, possibly with Zemo or the Flag Smashers, and Sam and Bucky have to stop him, so the government allows Sam to take the mantle because its really short notice and they can't get a replacement quick enough to take down Zemo.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 2/8/2021, 8:48 AM
@TyrantBossMedia - Haha. Very nice. It just makes more sense to me. Sam turning it down willingly seems weird to me. Why wouldn't he want to honor Cap's wish? Who better to take on the responsible and embodying the Cap mantle than the person that Steve picks?

I could understand him having serious thoughts about not being able to live up to Steve's expectations, or representing an entire country. But I still don't think he would turn it down. He even told Cap in Endgame that he would do his best. Which tells me he accepted it.

CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 2/8/2021, 8:51 AM
@TyrantBossMedia - Also, it would make perfect sense, be more realistic, and just more interesting for the government to be hesitant on Sam taking the mantle. Why would they want someone thats similar to Steve Rogers? Whose moral code will have him go directly against some of the shady stuff the government might want him to do?
MrCamw1
MrCamw1 - 2/8/2021, 8:43 AM
The thumbnail shot of Sam reminds me of whenever they zoomed in on Will Smiths face in the Men in Black movies.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 2/8/2021, 8:43 AM
Liking the Buddy Comedy vibe of this one.
UXASIS
UXASIS - 2/8/2021, 8:45 AM
Can't wait to see my man, the Alienist!



Anyway, action in the trailer was fine, but I hated the music.

And the staring contest (wtf) doesn't give a darker CAWS-type feeling.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 2/8/2021, 8:53 AM
I hate that shot in the thumbnail.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 2/8/2021, 8:53 AM
I think Sam and Bucky are mandated by The Accords to work under a the Joint Terrorism Task Force to hunt Zemo, who has escaped custody. Sam broke the Accords and was broken out of custody by Cap. Sure, Sam helped in the battle against Thanos, but the Accords are still law.

Clint and Scott agreed to house arrest to appease their noncompliance with the Accords, so Sam and Bucky will have to put in work for the government as a kind of "time served" deal. Catch Zemo and your infringement of the Accords is forgiven.

Toss in the supporting plot of the SHIELD being taken, John Walker being made US Agent, and the reveal of Zemo using those affairs to benefit his plan and everything collides.

Some oversight and therapy between missions is probably a condition too.
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