@Nightwing1015 - Wish took a screenshot of it, but back about a year and a half ago during the whole Sony/Disney Spidey deal drama I called that this would happen.

I said Feige would cut a deal to allow Venom (and probably the other Sony Spidey characters coming) to interact with the MCU in exchange for keeping Holland's Peter and possibly the introduction of live action Miles in the MCU long term.

Do I like it? No! But if it means more Spidey and Spidey rouges characters interacting with the ever expanding MCU...

@Nightwing1015 - I haven't seen the sequel, but the first Venom was so inoffensive to me that I had no problem with it being in the MCU. I'd say I even liked it better than The Incredible Hulk.

As long as there is some distance in people's minds between "Marvel/Avengers/Whatever" and "Sony/Spider-Man Villians", I think the franchise can survive a few stinkers (assuming something like Morbius is a stinker).

Playing footsie with new Sony movies is much less dangerous (I think) than toying around with the Raimi and FoX-Men stuff. In those cases, there are a lot of nostalgia-driven outspoken internet nerdboys who can be quickly emboldened to #CastTheRealMagneto or #BringBackKinberg or whatever it is.

I love Molina and Dafoe, and while they're not my favorite interpretations of Doctor Octopus or Green Goblin, there's no denying that they gave a great performances with the material they were given. I fully understand wanting to bring them back. But I've also seen how creative and insightful the MCU's adaptation of Vulture and Mysterio were. Those were B or C list villains that got reworked with some really sharp social and meta-commentary about the MCU itself.

I kind of hate to lose that with these earlier villains (and I'd hate to lose that with Professor X or Magneto or whoever else might make the jump from Fox, even in a multiverse-context).

@Nightwing1015 - I actually don't think the MCU will have it's own Norman Osborn or Otto Octavius after this. Holland's Spidey franchise will probably only go on for another solo trilogy at most, and there are plenty of other B list rogues to revamp. Maybe they do a Lady Dr. Octopus (in the vein of Spider-Verse, though I still feel like it was as much an adaptation of Carolyn Trainer) or they do an MCU version of Hobgoblin, but the desire to keep things fresh will probably mean they don't say "here's Norman and Harry again" after featuring the Raimi incarnation.

I'm not mad about it, exactly. I always thought there was a chance Feige would steer clear of Raimi's legacy. But where I'm really concerned is with X-Men. If Feige could, I think he would get Steward, McKellan, and Jackman back just because of how perfect they were (in his mind and in the minds of a lot of fans). That impulse could end up squishing a proper reboot. Though, I do think Fox helped soften the blow on that with their own semi-rebooted cast...

Anyway, I'm venting. Sorry, to vent.

@Spock0Clock - perfectly said. I totally agree and would’ve loved Marvels take on the other spider villains after seeing Vulture and Mysterio. But the saving grace could partially be Marvel getting to do Spidey vs Venom in Spider-Man 4 than Sony doing it in Venom 3.

@Jeight8 - I do hope that this was only because of the Sony deal, and that this doesn't mean Marvel Studios will ever consider bringing anything over from the FoX-men films

@PsychoBatemen -