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Vanillain
Vanillain - 10/7/2018, 1:41 AM
Imfunnyhow
Imfunnyhow - 10/7/2018, 3:22 AM
Oh yeah?.. Well I just realized that this is the first X-Men movie with out this guy
Luminus
Luminus - 10/7/2018, 3:56 AM
@Imfunnyhow - You sure about that? >;)
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 10/7/2018, 4:44 AM
X-Men was recently launched with an all female team
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 10/7/2018, 5:50 AM
@mastakilla39 - And there's not a single one of those characters (aside from Jubilee) who isn't a complete badass worthy of the limelight.
tugboy
tugboy - 10/7/2018, 6:00 AM
@Spock0Clock - Not worthy of the limelight? Check out this badass

Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 10/7/2018, 6:01 AM
@tugboy - (I actually like Jubilee, but it's more fun to pretend I don't.)
tugboy
tugboy - 10/7/2018, 6:01 AM
@tugboy - and while we're at it

Battabing
Battabing - 10/7/2018, 8:26 AM
@mastakilla39 -
Recently? It's been a few years and the concept eventually fizzled like, just like A-Force.
Luminus
Luminus - 10/7/2018, 1:43 AM
No, they should change it to the X-Flaws, because FOX can't bother to keep their own continuity straight. It's rocket science to the them. Hey, news flash, you SHOWED us that Jean had the Phoenix force in her at the end of Apocalypse.

ArthurFleck
ArthurFleck - 10/7/2018, 1:58 AM
@Luminus - while you are most definitely write, I believe inside her was merely a tiny amount of the Phoenix force and unleashing it was what called the rest of the Phoenix force to come to Earth to find her and join with her as she is the vessel for the Phoenix force, which will make Jean feel responsible for whoever died on the spaceship, furthering her transformation and descent into the Dark Phoenix.

Just my theory.
ArthurFleck
ArthurFleck - 10/7/2018, 1:58 AM
Right*
Luminus
Luminus - 10/7/2018, 2:14 AM
@ArthurFleck - Their track record says otherwise.
StormXmen123
StormXmen123 - 10/7/2018, 4:17 AM
@ArthurFleck - that's my believe to.

She is the predestined host for the Force and a small fragment is born within her. She's been suppressing it until Apocalypse.
There she not only embraces the power but shows she can hold it. Which draws the rest of the force to earth to fully bond with Jean.

I think something similar happens wiht Hope and Rachek summers. As the force gets closer to earth, the host starts to show "Phoenix powers".
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 10/7/2018, 4:38 AM
@Luminus - u know that phoenix force is differ from dark phoenix right? this film is about the dark phoenix
Darkknight23
Darkknight23 - 10/7/2018, 4:42 AM
@Luminus - Preach!!!!!
Luminus
Luminus - 10/7/2018, 5:15 AM
@mastakilla39 -

Dark Phoenix:
"With the new experience of a cosmic entity dealing with human emotions, Phoenix was thus an easy target for the illusionist, Mastermind, who needed a trophy to join the Inner Circle of the prestigious (and infamous) Hellfire Club. With the help of a psionic device, created by the club's White Queen, Emma Frost, Mastermind made Phoenix believe that she was his 18th-century lover, Lady Grey. Phoenix joined the club as their Black Queen, which would allow her to relish the extremes of human emotion and sensuality. When the X-Men came to her rescue, Jean's true love, Cyclops, faced Mastermind in a psychic duel and was defeated. Cyclops' "death" broke Mastermind's hold over Phoenix's psyche--as well as any control Jean's psyche had had over the Phoenix. It brushed aside the X-Men and departed for the heavens.

As the Phoenix was the light and life of the universe, the Dark Phoenix represented power and destruction. The Phoenix became Dark Phoenix due to allowing human emotions to cloud its judgment. In this state, Phoenix was the strongest, but also an evil entity that thirsted for power and destruction. Totally uncontrollable, Dark Phoenix was a force to be reckoned with as it was not bound by a human conscience. When Dark Phoenix flew back into space, her true firebird form was seen across the entire universe and even attracted the attention of Eternity."

Source: https://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Phoenix_Force_(Earth-616)#Dark_Phoenix

Same entity.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 10/7/2018, 5:37 AM
@Luminus - it's listed in your quote "As the Phoenix was the light and life of the universe, the Dark Phoenix represented power and destruction." Jean had the identity of phoenix before that saga too. It was not until mastermind corrupted her and subdued "jean's conscious" that the phoenix force took over.
Phoenix (Jean in control)

Dark Phoenix (Jean not in control)
shadowspider9
shadowspider9 - 10/7/2018, 7:53 AM
@StormXmen123 - Did you not watch the trailer?
The trailer literally hit the same beats as X3.
Jean has always been different and weird, Charles put block in her to limit her powers. Her powers are now growing out of control.
Just because they put in the space shuttle does not mean they intend to do the actual Phoenix.
Everything in the trailer basically screamed that this movie will be a repeat of X3.
StormXmen123
StormXmen123 - 10/7/2018, 8:16 AM
@shadowspider9 -

I did watch the trailer.

It's clear Xavier did something to the young Jean. He says he helped stabilise her. My assumption is that (unlike in X3) he altered her memories/emotions to help her cope with the grief/trauma of her being responsible for her parents death.
Which will likely fuel the rage and anger of the Dark Pheonix (which feeds on pure raw emotion).

Xavier knows from DoFP that if her tries to suppress the power in Jean that leads to the Last Stand (rember he sees Logan's memories). Thus, he is the one in Apocalypse who encourages her to accept her power and let go.

The director also mentioned directly in a video that the Phoenix Force is going to be a "cosmic entity", not jeans mutation.s
shadowspider9
shadowspider9 - 10/7/2018, 10:46 AM
@StormXmen123 - Since when has Fox given a shit about continuity?
Maybe your right. But everything about Fox's reputation and the trailer leads me to believe they are bulletining to try and sell the movie.
If the Phoenix Force really was in the movie they would have put some of that in the trailer to quite massive fears they know people have about this.
Instead it just fallowed the X3 trailer beat for beat.
TheUnworthyThor
TheUnworthyThor - 10/7/2018, 1:57 AM
Might be more powerful coming from someone other than Mystique.
Brave
Brave - 10/7/2018, 1:57 AM
2016:


2019:
"a mysterious golden entity (which is seemingly what put the ship in peril in the first place and stands a chance of destroying it) is approaching and ends up consuming the young hero"

DarthGrizzly
DarthGrizzly - 10/7/2018, 3:02 AM
@Brave - Ngl, I completely forgot about that, and x-men apocalypse so, yeah
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