DARK PHOENIX: New Details Emerge About What We Would Have Seen In The Planned Two-Part X-MEN Movie

As you may recall, there were once rumblings that Fox was planning to make Dark Phoenix an epic two-part movie along the lines of Infinity War and Endgame. Now, new details have been revealed about that...

By JoshWilding - Jun 09, 2019 07:06 AM EST

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At just under two hours, Dark Phoenix is a brief retelling of the classic comic book story which most fans seemingly agree fails to do the source material justice. Extensive reshoots changed the third act and it's said that the original plan for that was for aliens to attack the United Nations in New York City. Shots from that sequence can be seen in the teaser trailer.

As all that was taking place, a fleet of alien ships would have approached Earth and just like in Captain Marvel, Jean Grey would have powered up and destroyed them. While this all sounds epic, it's said the movie ran over two hours and the third act wasn't well-received, so clearly the execution wasn't particularly good (which is why we ended up with the train battle).

Now, you may recall Olivia Munn once revealed that Dark Phoenix would be a two-parter and while that never got past the scripting stages, characters from X-Men: Apocalypse would have appeared. It's also said that the Shi'ar was set to play a role, while Jessica Chastain was indeed expected to play Lilandra.

The D'Bari were going to be the Srkulls and while we don't have specific details about how the story would have played out, it would have clearly been given the chance to breathe. Unfortunately, there's no word on why Fox passed on this version but budgetary concerns could be a possibility, while Simon Kinberg helming a project as big as this no doubt also led to cold feet.

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Didn't Work: Jessica Chastain's "Alien"

Jessica Chastain is a fantastic actress, but perhaps she's just reached a point in her career where she's desperate to pick up a Razzie? While I'm sure her unnamed alien was supposed to come across as emotionless, that doesn't really explain her wooden performance and the fact that this villain has no personality makes her the least interesting part of an already uninteresting movie.

Her motivations are poorly explained, she's in no way frightening or intimidating, and some of the dialogue she delivers borders on being laughable at points. This was a complete disaster, and the decision to seemingly make her part of the little-known D'Bari race is just random.

Didn't Work: The 1990s Setting

X-Men: Apocalypse failed to make use of the 1980s setting. but at least it took us to a mall and featured some recognisable tunes and styles. Dark Phoenix is supposed to be set in 1992 but could be taking place literally at any time in history, as there are no references to current events of the time and the cast are decked out in generic, movie-style clothing.

Whereas Captain Marvel took us to Blockbuster Video and made use of some great 90s music, Dark Phoenix winds up being incredibly generic and the time jump is, yet again, nonsensical.

Did Work: Hans Zimmer's Score

These days, it seems Hans Zimmer will sign up to score pretty much everything (The Amazing Spider-Man 2? Really?!), but he's still an excellent composer and his work definitely elevates this film.

The big scenes, in particular, benefit from his presence and help make this movie better than it otherwise would have been. Ultimately, though, it's sadly far from his most memorable music.

Didn't Work: Mystique And Quicksilver's Speedy Exit

Man, Jennifer Lawrence really couldn't get out of there fast enough. After a wooden performance in the first twenty minutes or so, she's promptly killed off by Jean Grey and finally free of that makeup. Why she pushed for Simon Kinberg to direct is hard to say, but perhaps it was just for that "X-Women" line that comes off as a sickeningly forced attempt to make people think this is a feminist film.

It's not. In fact, its female characters aren't done any real justice at all (more on that later).

As for Quicksilver, he doesn't get a memorable sequence set to any music this time around. He just gets taken out by Jean and sits the rest of the movie out with no one too bothered about him.

Didn't Work: No Costumes

I'm not sure why those awesome costumes at the end of X-Men: Apocalypse were scrapped for more generic team outfits, but they look...fine. However, they're only around for the first act and by the time the team heads to New York to battle Magneto and company, they're all just in civvies.

Why Simon Kinberg is afraid to embrace the superhero elements of these characters in terms of their appearance is hard to say, especially in a world with movies like Justice League and Avengers: Endgame. Either way, none of them suiting up for yet another finale is simply beyond disappointing.

Did Work: The Action Scenes

Dark Phoenix's credits say that the movie's impressive train sequence was directed by the stunt co-ordinator, but I'm sure Kinberg must have had some input. Either way, the action throughout is definitely good and arguably quite a bit better than past instalments.

It finally feels less static and fake, and instead embraces what comic book fans want to see from these characters in action. It goes without saying that a more accomplished filmmaker would make the heroes and villains in the X-Men's world look even better, but I do think there's a lot that fans will appreciate here, and that train sequence, in particular, is full of memorable moments and great teamwork.

Didn't Work: Welcome To Genosha

So, you know how in the comics Genosha is a utopia for mutants and a city built by Magneto for them to find refuge from the humans who would persecute them? Pretty epic idea, right?

Well, in Dark Phoenix, it's a tiny island where a handful of mutants live with Erik in a field in some poorly built, makeshift houses. It's a camp site. What a way to respect the source material.

Did Work: X-Men: First Class Throwbacks

Surprisingly, Dark Phoenix is heavy on throwbacks to X-Men: First Class, a movie Simon Kinberg wasn't that involved in beyond being a producer. We get mentions of the one-time rivalry between Magneto and Beast, revisit the kitchen where Charles first met Mystique, and even see a touching moment in which Hank and Raven refer to themselves as the "last of the First Class."

It's just odd that it doesn't reference X-Men: Days of Future Past or X-Men: Apocalypse, especially when those movies arguably had a much larger bearing on what happens here than First Class.

Didn't Work: Storm

Were you hoping that this movie would finally deliver the badass version of Storm you've been waiting years to see on the big screen? Well, I hope that vision included her making ice cubes for Scott and Jean's punch! While the final battle sees her take flight and deliver some lightning bolts, it's not overly impressive or memorable, and not that different to what we've already seen.

Just the fact that Kinberg has her make ice cubes comes across as a massive disservice to the hero.

Didn't Work: A Lack Of Continuity

Eight years after Dark Phoenix takes place, Michael Fassbender ends up looking like Ian McKellen. Let that sink in for a second. Still, that's not the worst example of a lack of continuity.

While these prequels stopped building to the original movies after X-Men: Days of Future Past, Kinberg doesn't really bother to try and respect what's come before or after. It's a shame he makes no effort to tie the two franchises together, and he doesn't even bother to address that long-standing mystery about Magneto being Quicksilver's father and Mystique being Nightcrawler's mom.

Didn't Work: The Same Old Story

Kinberg doesn't exactly retell the events of X-Men: The Last Stand, but he sure as hell tries to put a new spin on moments in that film, something which comes across as a self-indulgent, ridiculous ego trip on the filmmaker's part. As a result, Dark Phoenix ends up feeling extremely familiar.

From Jean's childhood to her apparent death (but not really!), we've already seen this story. It's just a shame that Marvel Studios will probably leave "The Dark Phoenix Saga" well alone moving forward.

Did Work: Cyclops (Mostly) Gets The Chance To Shine

Scott Summers has never been treated particularly well in the X-Men franchise, but he does sort of get the chance to shine here. His leadership skills are more apparent than they have been in the past, while he gets to show off his powers in a far more impressive manner than before.

There's not enough here to make Cyclops fans truly happy, but it's still a mostly satisfying journey for him - even if he once again spends the vast majority of the movie chasing after his girlfriend.

Didn't Work: Nightcrawler

I'm not sure what Kodi Smit-McPhee was going for here but, man, he does some terrible work in this movie. Between the dodgy accent and amature level performance, he does not do the role of Nightcrawler justice and the character has none of his trademark wit or personality from the comics.

In fact, he comes across as a goofy coward, and only really comes into his own during the final battle when he teleports one of the aliens in front of the moving train with a grin on his face.

Didn't Work: The Phoenix Force

Remember how at the end of X-Men: Apocalypse we got to see Jean unleash her powers and seemingly reveal the Phoenix Force? Well, that's all forgotten about here and it becomes a cloud of energy that simply moves through the cosmos, destroying planets.

It's never called "The Phoenix Force" (instead, the kids in the school randomly start calling Jean "Phoenix") and has no real personality or connections to the comic books. As a result, it's totally underwhelming and the fact that it takes the shape of a Phoenix at the end of the movie is actually quite comical, especially when it's just random cosmic energy with no link to that mythical bird.

Did Work: A Satisfying Enough Ending

As the end of Fox's X-Men saga, Dark Phoenix is not a satisfying or worthy conclusion to a near twenty year series of movies. However, no one involved knew that's what it would be when the film was being made in all fairness, so blasting it for that definitely doesn't seem fair.

As endings go, though, this is satisfying enough as there are no real cliffhangers beyond Jean's silly return, and it's easy to imagine what happens next to the characters without being desperate to actually see it play out. Like it or not, this is Fox's final X-Men movie, and it's a finale we can live with!

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39 Comments

Kyos - 6/9/2019, 7:44 AM

bkmeijer2 - 6/9/2019, 7:51 AM

The more I think about it, they should've made a two-parter out of their fantastic four/daredevil/x-men team-up and days of future past projects. Make the first one about their civil war and as consequence of the sra the introduction of sentinels and DofP could've stayed almost the same

Kumkani - 6/9/2019, 7:52 AM

#ReleaseTheKinbergCut

OmegaDaGrodd - 6/9/2019, 7:53 AM

There's a joke to the benefit of CAPTAIN MARVEL and the detriment of SHAZAM & DARK PHOENIX somewhere in here and I'm determined to find it.

Will update immediately as I make progress

tmp3 - 6/9/2019, 8:22 AM

@OmegaDaGrodd - Shazam only cost $100m and got great reviews, but sure - it's comparable to Dark Phoenix.

OmegaDaGrodd - 6/9/2019, 8:26 AM

@tmp3 - You're completely misreading my comment and throwing me off the scent of this mysterious and elusive joke

We can circle back on this later but right now getting these takes off is my prime objective

MrCamw1 - 6/9/2019, 12:46 PM

@OmegaDaGrodd - were still waiting on the joke dammit I'm in suspense.

DalekCraigWasson - 6/9/2019, 7:56 AM

This is a terribly written post. Where are the sources, even mentioned in passing, for where this comes from? Skrulls being a typo doesn't help either...

Mrcool210 - 6/9/2019, 7:58 AM

@DalekCraigWasson - MCU Cosmic is the source, it's at the top. I like to rag on Josh as much as the next guy, but that s sadly something that he does have is a source.

CorndogBurglar - 6/9/2019, 8:14 AM

@DalekCraigWasson - This is a terribly written comment. The source is posted clearly at the top of the article.

DalekCraigWasson - 6/9/2019, 8:30 AM

@Mrcool210 - My mistake, I didn't see that. I was referring to in the body of the article itself. The tiny link is helpful, I genuinely didn't see it, but if you are writing an article based on someone else's scoop, it wouldn't hurt to say that in the body of the text.

Mrcool210 - 6/9/2019, 7:57 AM

I'm betting the reason it wasn't two parters is because they probably originally wanted brian singer to come back to do the Phoenix force properly like they thought he would for Last Stand, then when he dropped out and kingberg came in they were like...

IronMandarin - 6/9/2019, 8:00 AM

Good to have confirmation that the aliens were meant to be Skrulls. That seemed pretty blatant in the movie considering they can shape shift, but had different designs and the only mention of their name came in a subtitle.

Curious though if Disney was the one that made them change it since they were appearing in Captain Marvel (maybe to avoid another Quicksilver situation???).

Spock0Clock - 6/9/2019, 11:35 AM

@IronMandarin - Maybe "made them" isn't the right construction, but it makes all the sense in the world that once Fox was on its way to Disney that they would streamline their releases to fit better into Marvel's plans.

The aliens of Dark Phoenix don't seem to have a huge or deep role in the story itself. They are mostly observers until the late-second/third act. They frankly don't really matter that much except as climax fodder. (The original movie may have been a bit different, but that structure seems to be there.)

The test screening leaks/rumors sound like they always had a heavy inspiration from the D'Bari (being the planet that the Phoenix destroys), so if there was a decision made to lean away from Skrulls, then part of that consideration could definitely be not stepping Captain Marvel's toes.

For all the animus fans may have about these two studios, these people do work together as cooperative partners. Their goal isn't to sabotage each other. They do try to stick to their own lanes as much as possible.

IronMandarin - 6/9/2019, 11:57 AM

@Spock0Clock - Precisely. That's my line of thinking. Especially as the two studios will soon be one.

Battabing - 6/9/2019, 1:15 PM

@IronMandarin -
Frankly, both versions of the "Skrulls" were kind of ridiculous.

Feralwookiee - 6/9/2019, 8:07 AM

Is this gonna be one of those Zach Snyder things, where the director spends the next 3 years saying shit like, "There's a good movie in there somewhere. It was a masterpiece before the studio interfered. This thing was high art; Stanley Kubrick × 3,000 bro!"

I honestly don't understand why these directors and producers feel the need to make excuses for the shitty movies they've made. They all got PAID. They made their money off these IP's and couldn't care less about the "quality" of the films. You made a cash-grab piece of garbage. These people don't need to bother with excuses; they have their money to console themselves. 😜

Spidey91 - 6/9/2019, 8:17 AM

@Feralwookiee - nah, the diminishing returns of the mainline X-Men franchise show that, unlike the Snyderbros, X-Men fans have some semblance of common sense.

ShimmyShimmyYA - 6/9/2019, 9:16 AM

@Feralwookiee - deflect blame , get your fans riled up , get another job , make another bad movie and the cycle repeats

Feralwookiee - 6/9/2019, 9:28 AM

@ShimmyShimmyYA -

Battabing - 6/9/2019, 1:18 PM

@Feralwookiee -
Well, in all fairness, directors who make good films also muddy the waters with background noise.
See the Russos.

TheUnworthyThor - 6/9/2019, 8:14 AM

Well a lot of this sounds really cool so it makes sense that Fox chose to go a different way. I wouldn’t have expected anything different.

rabid - 6/9/2019, 8:15 AM

This is just someone guessing. There's no truth here, no source.

Vigor - 6/9/2019, 8:19 AM

Just realized that Phoenix costume from the comics, matches iron spider from the comics

ComicBookPsycho - 6/9/2019, 8:23 AM

"DARK PHOENIX: New Details Emerge About What We Would Have Seen In The Planned Two-Part X-MEN Movie"

Reeds2Much - 6/9/2019, 8:27 AM

Last thing I remember from Conrad was his spreading the "Kronos is in Avengers 4" reddit fan theory for clicks.

tmp3 - 6/9/2019, 8:28 AM

@Reeds2Much - Jeremy Conrad is a hack

smallvile559 - 6/9/2019, 9:07 AM

For the life of me I’ll never [frick]ing understand why they gave such a huge project with a massive budget to a first time director.
Producer or not, it makes no goddamn sense.
On really any kind of level.
MCU, Take 3.

Forthas - 6/9/2019, 9:11 AM

It is unclear to me who is responsible for these changes. Is it Fox Corporation because they did not give a crap...or Disney because they wanted to protect Captain Marvel. In any event the movie that resulted is not bad. But what could have been.

Feralwookiee - 6/9/2019, 9:56 AM

For those interested, here's an article explaining some of the changes to this flick. I suppose I should warn there's spoilers, not that you can really spoil a shit movie like this imo.
https://screenrant.com/dark-phoenix-movie-reshoot-changes-explained-fox-xmen/

unsocial - 6/9/2019, 10:28 AM

Lol.. Lets get real for a moment. They scrapped the 2 part movie because they'd have to deal with a basic concept the entire franchise has been completely unable to grasp..

Continuity..

TheOverseer - 6/9/2019, 9:14 PM

When are they going to get that Simon Kinberg should never be allowed to direct any property ever?

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