BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER Star Initially "Objected" To Their Character's Surprising Fate - SPOILERS

BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER Star Initially "Objected" To Their Character's Surprising Fate - SPOILERS BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER Star Initially "Objected" To Their Character's Surprising Fate - SPOILERS

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever made a few surprising choices while setting the wheels in motion for a final showdown, and [Spoiler] has now addressed their character's fate...

By MarkCassidy - Nov 14, 2022 07:11 PM EST

Warning: If you haven't seen Black Panther: Wakanda Forever yet, major spoilers follow from this point on.

Ryan Coogler's Black Panther sequel opens with Shuri (Letitia Wright) racing against the clock to save T'Challa by attempting to replicate the Heart-Shaped Herb. Unfortunately, her efforts are in vain, and her brother dies from his unnamed illness.

This leaves Shuri devastated, but the hard times are not over for the future Black Panther.

In a somewhat surprising move given the heartbreak Shuri and her family had already suffered, Ramonda (Angela Bassett) also joins her ancestors when Namor (Tenoch Huerta) makes good on his word to come to Wakanda and take the Queen's life. As her heroic final act, Ramonda sacrifices herself to save Riri Williams (Dominique Thorne) after the Submariner floods the throne room.

While chatting to IndieWire, Bassett revealed that she wasn't completely om board with Coogler decision to kill-off her character

"I objected. Yeah, I was like, "Ryan, what are you doing? Why? You will rue the day! You will rue the demise of [Ramonda]. People are gonna be so upset." He was like, "Angela, I know, I know, but look, to die is not really to die in this world. It doesn’t really have to mean that."

Does this mean Ramonda could return? Well, she does show up again towards the end of the movie when she appears from the Ancestral Place to stop her daughter from allowing vengeance to consume her by killing Namor, so there's always a chance Bassett could be given the opportunity to reprise the role in future Black Panther films.

There's a lot of buzz surrounding the What's Love Got To Do With It star's powerful performance, and she is hotly tipped for her second Academy Award nomination. If she does land the nom, she'll be the first actor from a Marvel Studios movie to receive the accolade.

Have you been to see Black Panther: Wakanda Forever yet? If so, be sure to let us know what you thought of the movie in the comments section (you can check out our review here).

In Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, Queen Ramonda (Angela Bassett), Shuri (Letitia Wright), M’Baku (Winston Duke), Okoye (Danai Gurira), and the Dora Milaje (including Florence Kasumba), fight to protect their nation from intervening world powers in the wake of King T’Challa’s death. As the Wakandans strive to embrace their next chapter, the heroes must band together with the help of War Dog Nakia (Lupita Nyong’o) and Everett Ross (Martin Freeman) and forge a new path for the kingdom of Wakanda. Introducing Tenoch Huerta as Namor, king of a hidden undersea nation, the film also stars Dominique Thorne, Michaela Coel, Mabel Cadena, and Alex Livanalli.

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abd00bie
abd00bie - 11/14/2022, 7:40 PM
Angela, after the conversation: Guess I'll die
NegativeNerd
NegativeNerd - 11/15/2022, 10:10 AM
@abd00bie - now this made me laugh waaaay too hard.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/14/2022, 7:41 PM
Post credit scene hits harder when you remember how Nakia said T’Challa prepared them for his death and you recall this gem…
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 11/14/2022, 8:09 PM
@GhostDog - Did they say whether T'Challa and Nakia got married or am I misremembering?
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 11/14/2022, 8:12 PM
@MCUKnight11 - they don’t , the time between BP and IW and Endgame to WF is vague so they can fill in the blanks if they want and say they were married
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/14/2022, 8:15 PM
@MCUKnight11 - I don’t think they ever mentioned a marriage. Seems like she got pregnant, he got snapped away swiftly after, returned and then got sick soon after that.
Greetpack9
Greetpack9 - 11/14/2022, 8:42 PM
@GhostDog - - I just got back from theater. Did you understand what killed T'Challa? I don't get it. A mystery sickness? They just rushed through that part.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/14/2022, 8:52 PM
@TheRealBabyGrog - undisclosed illness. The hint they gave in the movie was that he kept his illness hidden from shuri and suffered in silence until it was too late. That mirrors Chadwick Boseman cancer fight.

The way they did it proved a powerful means of creating an in-world space to recognize and honor real-world grief and appreciation.  By not naming T'Challa's illness, it both leaves room for it to be something other than cancer and quietly honors Boseman's choice to be private.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 11/14/2022, 8:55 PM
@GhostDog - well said, bro. That's exactly how I felt
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 11/14/2022, 8:57 PM
@TheRealBabyGrog - That was intentional I think. They didn't mean to give us a clear answer. But it was meant to reflect the real life loss of Boseman.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 11/14/2022, 7:52 PM
Something positive:



Something negative:

MrDandy
MrDandy - 11/14/2022, 7:56 PM
@DrReedRichards - people should just stop posting critical drinker. It just gives him attention. He’s not really a reviewer. He is primarily a culture warrior who uses movies as his platform.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 11/14/2022, 7:59 PM
@MrDandy -

Respectfully but strongly disagree. Every disease should be looked at with focus, so that it can be appropriately dealt with. Otherwise its hazard expands and evolves into that of a plague.

Look at that video's comments for instance. More than a few celebrating that this is a video at the expense of the MCU than any of the (baseless) issues mentioned in the video itself.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/14/2022, 8:11 PM
@MrDandy - He’s a prick. Complains about diversity and unoriginality and yet he mostly focuses on Star Wars and Marvel. A sad sack online who grifts his miserable and hateful base with reactionary videos. He’s one of those “I’m so insecure in my beliefs that I have to tell people their opinions are objectively wrong so I feel better about myself”

He wouldn’t understand film criticism if it slapped him the face.
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 11/14/2022, 8:15 PM
@DrReedRichards - I'm just going to say it. Hi-top, browntable, and mauler ruined film criticism.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 11/14/2022, 8:29 PM
@MCUKnight11 -

MauLer needs to be upfront about whom he doesn't like in the projects he criticizes. I love his ZSJL two-hour rant because I share his disdain for Snyder, but his six-hour take on DS:MoM because of Waldron is full of needless emphasis on stuff that is explained in the movie. And yeah, I did sit through all six hours of it.

Browntable is so-so, plus he does try to create something. Definitely not as bad as HiTop, who's just a pretentious hipster. I mean, can you imagine trying to justify TASM2 as retroactively misunderstood and (pardon the pun) amazing?
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 11/14/2022, 8:34 PM
@DrReedRichards - My problem with Mauler is that his essays are triple the run time of the subject he's criticizing. I hold the other 2 responsible for making Spider-man discourse up until NWH a toxic wasteland.
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 11/14/2022, 8:40 PM
@MCUKnight11 - YMS and Cinema Sins say hi too
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 11/14/2022, 8:43 PM
@MCUKnight11 -

He does tend to drag his case out, yeah. Plus, he clearly enjoys his exaggerations:

"Do you know what you just did? Do you realize what you've done? Do you comprehend the consequences of your actions? You imbecilic mongoloids. You incorrigible homonculi!"

Like... Dude, we get it, you have rage and eloquence. Get to the point. It's not the fate of humanity at stake here.

As for Spider-Man discourse, I blame that entirely on Hi-Top and his "Raimi good! MCU bad!" tantrums. Browntable just sadly drank the same contrarian kool-aid, only much much later.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 11/14/2022, 8:45 PM
@Spidey91 -

YMS is actually pretty great. He's not that much into mainstream stuff, but he doesn't pretend otherwise. He comes across as someone who's comfortable with where his interests and his preferences lie.
EZBeast
EZBeast - 11/14/2022, 8:47 PM
@MrDandy - to be fair isn’t that every YouTube “reviewer”? My usual go to yt reviewers are angry Joe, Jeremy jahns, (occasionally) stuckman, Tyrone Magnus, ign (yes I know it’s multiple ppl), and the drinker and they all have their different platforms they use to promote their own perceptions of how the film is shown. Drinker definitely can be more vocal than the others on certain issues but overall I still enjoy his actual reviews of tv/films.
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 11/14/2022, 8:51 PM
@DrReedRichards - maybe he is, I tried to watch him a couple of times and he kinda came off as one of those stuck up CINEPHILES ⟨™⟩ whose Twitter profile pic is Tyler Durden or something.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 11/14/2022, 9:08 PM
@Spidey91 -

So long as he doesn't go out of his way to take unnecessary jabs at whatever trend (cough MCU cough) out of nowhere, which is not something I think YMS is guilty of, I see really no issue with liking whatever highbrow or indie part of the industry.

Whoever it is, let them like what they like, love what they love, enjoy to their heart's content. But one ought to know why that, be earnest about it, and don't use others as scapegoats for one's own shame and spite.
Ojeet78
Ojeet78 - 11/14/2022, 11:04 PM
@DrReedRichards - Critical Drinker had to chew on glass in order to give the new Predator movie a decent review after trashing the trailer when it first came out. The sole reason for his pain being that the lead was a woman. I find him to be quite the imbecile. The only film critics that are good maybe Chris Stuckmann and Dan Murrell.
NicholiB
NicholiB - 11/15/2022, 1:03 AM
@MrDandy - Yeah, I find it quite embarrassing that he comes from my home town of Glasgow in Scotland.

As you say he doesn't do reviews he does anti Woke rants.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/15/2022, 6:12 AM
@Ojeet78 - This isn't true at all. He did a review based on the marketing that was pushing it as a "updated for modern audiences" and as a bad-ass feminist movie so called it out. Those are almost always used for woke stories and characters. He did the same with Game of Thrones. Then when he saw the shows when they came out he saw the marketing was deceptive and reviewed what was on screen.

Your entire point is negated by your own words. You imply he hates women in movies and will review them badly yet you also point out he literally didn't do that in his review. Also a quick gander at his page and reviews will show your hate for him his unjustified and your accusation as incorrect.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/15/2022, 6:20 AM
@GhostDog - He sounds awful! Could you show us some specific examples of what you claim about him? I watch him and have no clue why you would make these general accusations about his character. Sounds like you hate him because he reviewed stuff you like and you didn't like the points he made about them and instead of calling that out you are attacking him personally. Don't shoot the messenger attack the message.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/15/2022, 7:31 AM
@WarMonkey - it’s easy to attack him personally when you consider his rhetoric. Anybody who still uses the "edgy alcoholic" shit as a personality trait sucks. He’s a caricature. I could care less if this guys doesn’t like something I like because he’s bereft of integrity and legitimate acumen to critique a film adequately.

I gave an example. Go on his page and see for yourself. He's one of those people that says "The film industry is dead and there's no real film makers anymore" when all he does is watch Marvel, Star Wars and Hollywood remakes and reboots. But if you actually decide to step out of the usual places when it comes to films you'll find plenty of screenwriters and directors that are making films that are different and made as passion projects.
IronMan616
IronMan616 - 11/15/2022, 7:36 AM
@DrReedRichards - Yeah, the Rock has always been classy, unlike the classless trolls on here that were complaining and complaining about Black Adam and every other thing not in the MCU/Disney banner.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 11/15/2022, 7:48 AM
@IronMan616 -

Pretty sure there are more trolls bashing the MCU than supporting it.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 11/15/2022, 7:51 AM
@Ojeet78 -

Yeah, his earlier take on Prey aged like stale milk. I used to watch Stuckman a lot more back in the day, but not as much any more. Same with Jahns.
IronMan616
IronMan616 - 11/15/2022, 8:07 AM
@DrReedRichards - Bullshit, there are way more that bash anything that isn't associated with the MCU. The ones that complain about sites like Critical Drinker, Geeks and Gamers, etc. are just as annoying as the ones they're complaining about.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 11/15/2022, 8:24 AM
@IronMan616 -

Cool story, bruh.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/15/2022, 8:33 AM
@GhostDog - Nothing you just said is remotely true, except for showing your irrational hate. You can't even give a concrete example of why you hate him. Hating him just cause you can't counter his observations is ridiculous.

He's working on a movie right now BTW based on his book character and just released a prequel comic with Sly Stallone that is canon to the Rambo movie universe. So literally everything in your second paragraph is made-up lies.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/15/2022, 8:37 AM
@NicholiB - Fun Fact: Glascow population is around 1.7 mil people in 2022, and Drinker has about 1.5 mil subscribers currently.
Ojeet78
Ojeet78 - 11/15/2022, 9:49 AM
@WarMonkey - Why does a bad-ass feminist movie have to be called out?
Besides he's not just an imbecile, he's somewhat of a moron too. His interview with Mark Millar shows that. Given that Millar was a fellow Scot and somewhat of a fan of Drinker's reviews, he kept trying to get Millar to trash what he assumed was woke cancel culture but Millar didnt play that game and kept giving diplomatic answers. He may have had a point when he started but I feel like he's leaned too far right now and has kind of lost the plot.
NicholiB
NicholiB - 11/15/2022, 3:49 PM
@WarMonkey - Fun Fact no 1 is gibberish Glasgow's population is just over a third of that.
kg8817
kg8817 - 11/14/2022, 7:55 PM
Yeah people can think this movie doesn’t deserve a Best Picture nom (people thought the same of the first one so it’s whatever) but I’m not getting into that debate.

What I will say is I do believe she absolutely does deserve to be nominated.

There was a level of authenticity in her performance that deserves to be recognized.
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 11/14/2022, 7:58 PM
This could be an opportunity to use the Djalia plot line and make Ramonda larger spiritual aspect to the Black Panther movies.
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