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What is going on with Spider-man 4?

Trying to sort through the mess of Spider-man 4...
So it seems everyday there's a brand new "Spider-man 4" rumor. It all started way back when no one was sure if Sam Raimi was going to direct. It was unknown if Tobey Maguire was going to don the red and blue tights again. There was even a rumor that Sony had a list of replacements just in case they didn't sign him. Jake Gyllenhaal was said to be atop that list. Then even people close to the project, Raimi included, didn't know whether Kirsten Dunst was returning. Immediately after the three main people (Tobey, Sam, Kirsten) had signed, the villains rumors stared. From Morbious to Mysterio, Lizard to Kraven, to Venom returning and having Carnage emerge. There was even a rumor of Doc Ock returning and a possible Sinister Six.

Now that we actually have an idea of who is going to be in the movie, every rumor is now being aired. Whom will Bruce Campbell play? It's said he will have a significant role. If we look back, all his roles have been significant. He gave Spider-Man his name in the first movie. If it weren't for his being a dick to Peter Parker in number 2, there wouldn't have been tension between Peter and Mary Jane. In number 3, he was the one who held the ring when Peter was going to propose to Mary Jane. So I'm not saying he isn't going to have a larger and longer role in the movie, but let's not try to take it as anything but a major cameo role.





Now as to what has become the most talked about thing this week: Black Cat. Yes, it looks like she is going to be in the movie. But who will be play her-- we don't know yet. It seems like at least four actresses have tried out for the role. They are: Rachel McAdams, Julia Stiles, Alyson Hannigan, and Anne Hathaway. Now as for the first three, they all fit the similar description and age of each other and Black Cat. Now as for Anne Hathaway, I don't see her pulling off Black cat. Now if MovieScoop is right, she is playing this Valeria character then it could be setting up Vulture as a Villain for number 4. But it does not mean she will be playing Black Cat. I would say she could be a love interest, but how many girls are they going to throw at Peter Parker? Then it would be similar to number three, but throwing girls at him instead of villians.




Black Cat could still be portrayed by one of the other actresses, and if she is she would need a back story. This is just a thought of mine, not a rumor. But What if they took a page out of 'The Spectacular Spider-Man ' TV series and made Black Cat's father the man who killed Peter's uncle. No, not Sandman. The original who we all now is the true killer. The man who Michael Papajohn played. It would give him a viable reason to make a cameo appearance in the new one.




As for the Lizard, if he is not a villain in this film, then they have done another major foul up. He should play the main villain. It's been set up the past 3 movies. (He didn't appear in the first but was mentioned). They could have easily set up Eddie Brocks story in number 2. And easily mention the symboite in number 2. Just give a little mention of the the spaceship that John Jameson brought back the symbiote. But now I'm getting off track.




I'm just saying we all are trying to make out what these rumors mean. Until we get some viable information, (or conformation from Sony or Sam Raimi) we all are just going to give ourselves a headache. We're getting mad at what we think might happen or because we believe what other people are saying might happen.
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KiNGJohn472
11/19/2009

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21 Comments

Dude I so agree with you
X - 11/19/2009, 3:39 PM
hell yeah! and in spiderman 5,and 6 have more lizard and kraven,more dock ock,carnage,and venom,and a must scorpion.as for mysterio it should be bruce cambell or do not use mysterio at all.as for mary jane she needs to sex it up a little she just comes off as whiny in all the films give her some boobs and a thong,and add more gwen stacy she was hot,and whoever plays black cat had better have tatas and a black leather suite.bring us the lizard.
1chris2 - 11/19/2009, 5:19 PM
a scorpion is a spiders natural enemy.?!@#$%^&*()_-0=
1chris2 - 11/19/2009, 5:20 PM
I can see rachel mcadams as black cat, not the other 3.

iNsaneMilesy - 11/19/2009, 6:05 PM
why bring in black cat? such a lame villain or hero...esp when we saw how lame the gwen luv triangle played out? too much galz and villains make a shitty movie...as seen in sm3...simplicity bred success in parts 1 and 2...use that same formula...kraven and lizard in 4, carnage in 5...and sinister 6 in 6
Anil Rickly - 11/19/2009, 8:26 PM
I do feel that throwing a bunch of villains in it again will repeat the awful thrid movie. What I think they'll end up doing, if they follow by the fans suggestions, then Lizard will feature as the main Villain, but The Black Cat character will feature on the side as someone who assists spiderman at times, but suddenly turn her back on him when ever she feels like it. Possible storyline??
MikeSanderson09 - 11/20/2009, 6:41 AM
I don't think that the amount of villains made Spidey 3 poor. It was the way it was written that messed things up! Multiple villains can be awesome if done the right way. Here is the villain layout that I would love to see in the next 3 movies:

Spiderman 4- The Lizard and Morbius.
Spiderman 5- Electro and Scorpion.
Spiderman 6- Sinister Six (Vulture, Boomerang, Shocker, Beetle, Hammerhead, Hobgoblin.)
Bud - 11/20/2009, 10:41 AM
lol, bruce cambell made th cameo in SM3 as th french waiter who called peter "pecker." XD

id luv to see him play mysterio, but i wanna see lizard and kraven 1st!
RockNRollCC - 11/20/2009, 9:09 PM

spiderman 4- scorpion and rhino
spiderman 5- lizard and kraven
spiderman 6- lizard and chameleon
spiderman 7- electro and vulture

in 4 early fight with with rhino. early formation of scorpion with fights. longer, more in depth development of connors inner struggle with experimenting on himself. which gives him a much larger role in 4. in 5 have lizard and kravens last hunt. in 6 the capture of the lizard and the emergence of kravens half brother, chameleon. no black cat at all. no cheesy mysterio. no shocker. no more symbiote, except tie in at end of 4 with scorpion being taken over by symbiote to spinoff venom movie.
squirt - 11/21/2009, 2:20 PM
before making spider-man 4 go back and fix spider-man 3
deadpool21 - 11/21/2009, 2:57 PM
I would like to see something like in TDK where Spiderman fights rhino or someone and puts them in jail and you dont see him again
KiNGJohn472 - 11/21/2009, 3:12 PM

I WANT A DIFFERENT LINE-UP BUT SINCE RAIMI SEEMS TO BE LEADING WITH, THE VULTURE, THE VILLIAN ROSTER SHOULD BE...

4 - ELECTRO (MINOR) VULTURE (MAIN)
5 - LIZARD (MINOR) KRAVEN (MAIN)
6 - SCORPION (MINOR) CHAMELEON (MMINOR) SINISTER SIX (CLIMAX BATTLE FOR THE END WHERE ALL THE VILLIANS STAND UNITED, WITH KRAVEN KEEPING THE LIZARD ON A GIANT CHAIN LIKE A FEROCIOUS PET)

IT SEEMS LIKE THIS FORMULA MAY BE SOMETHING THAT RAIMI APPLIES, THE STORY CAN BE VERY ORGANIC, SINCE VULTURE + ELECTRO HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO CONNECT WELL, AND WE ALL HAVE ADMITTED THAT A LIZARD/KRAVEN PLOT IS AN IDEAL WAY TO PRESENT THE CHARACTERS. THE SCORPION CAN VERY BE REMINISCENT OF THE WHOLE "EDDIE BROCK...JR" (LOL) PLOT FOR SPIDER-MAN 3, IN THE SENSE THAT MAC GARGAN WANTS TO BE CRAZY POWERFUL LIKE SPIDER-MAN AND THE LIZARD (WHOM MAC SAW BATTLING IN SPIDER-MAN 5), SINCE GARGAN COULD BE INTRODUCED IN SPIDER-MAN 5 ONLY TO BECOME A CRAZY BLOOD-THIRSTY SAVAGE SCORPION IN SPIDER-MAN 6. RAIMI WILL NOT TOUCH ANY SYMBIOTE AGAIN SO THATS WHERE THE SIMILARITES END I KNOW HE GETS THE SYMBIOTE IN THE COMICS, BUT RAIMI WILL NEVER TRY AGAIN, AND I FOR ONE AM GREATFUL! ALSO CHAMELEON AND KRAVEN ARE "LINKED" BY BLOOD (KRAVEN AND CHAMELEON ARE BROTHERS)...LAID OUT LIKE THIS COUPLED WITH THE WHOLE "OLD SCHOOL VILLIANS" THING, WHO THEN CAN BE "TURNED" INTO A SINISTER SIX THAT HAS ABSOLUTE ZERO TIES, WITH THE "FIRST" TRILOGY. AND WOULD ALSO BE "ORIGINAL" TO THE SCREEN ITSELF, B/C THAT LINE-UP HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED IN THE COMICS I BELIEVE.
dellamorte1872 - 11/21/2009, 3:23 PM
FELICIA HARDY CAN BE THE NEW "BEST FRIEND" TO PARKER A LA "HARRY OSBORNE" ONLY TO BECOME BLACK CAT SLOWLY (AND POORLY PROLLY LIKE "THE FLYING BLACK NINJA-SNOWBOARDING GOBLIN" IN SPIDER-MAN 3).
dellamorte1872 - 11/21/2009, 9:17 PM
how about someone keep following peter as he tries to change into spiderman to save someone else and he cannot be the hero in time because of this,and people start to hate spiderman even more. i hear alot about villains people want in the film but what kind of stories should be involved?
1chris2 - 11/22/2009, 5:50 AM
no lizard, vulture, or mysterio. they should at least do venom some justice and have him as the main and only villain in spider-man 4, then in spider-man 5 lizard or vulture, and then in spider-man 6 bring in carnage to end the series right because i cant see it going past 6 although it would be great if it did.
deadpool21 - 11/22/2009, 6:27 AM
I'm almost certain that Bruce Campbell is going to be Mysterio. That is the only way to justify his different roles in each movie. Also, I am watching Spiderman 2 right now. The scene in front of the movie theater, he tells Peter, ".. Oh, I'm sorry, sir. No one will be seated after the doors are closed. It helps maintain the ILLUSION."

Coincidental? I don't think so. I haven't rewatched Spiderman or Spiderman 3 yet to check for other clues but this is enough for me.
Thairese - 11/22/2009, 7:17 AM
@Thairese You could be right. Id like to see mysterio but Stan Lee has ahd 3 cameos as well. Does taht put him in the running for mysterio?
KiNGJohn472 - 11/22/2009, 9:13 PM
i know bro' all this...VENOM, CARNAGE, BRUCE "MYSTERIO" CAMPBELL...ITS ALL JUST "FANBOY" WISHES LOL...RAIMI'S VISION IS NONE OF THOSE THINGS. AND WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO "TWIST" THINGS THAT THEY "THINK ARE CRUCIAL AND RELEVANT TID-BITS OF RED HERRINGS LEADING TOWARDS WHAT THESE FANBOYS DREAM OF" ITS KINDA SAD GUYS. WHEN WILL YOU ADMIT DEFEAT. RAIMI WONT [frick] HIS VISION UP TO ADD MORE SYMBIOTES, OR CLARIFY SYMBIOTES. RAIMI JUST WONT. AND CAMPBELL? BRUCE IS A FRIEND OF RAIMIS HE GIVES HIM LIL CAMEOS FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES. THAT IS ALL! THERE ISNT A MASTER PLAN. THEY ARENT SITTING AROUND (BRUCE AND RAIMI) STRATEGICALLY SETTING UP "MYSTERIO", THEY JUST WONT! RAIMI WONT!
dellamorte1872 - 11/22/2009, 9:59 PM
mysterio does kinda make sense they could have him find out he is parker then show back story as to how he got him fired some way in each movie
Whargoul - 11/23/2009, 7:57 AM
kingjohn stan lee is cameleon lol.
1chris2 - 11/23/2009, 3:10 PM
and bruce cambell was a anouncer showing he is a show business man,and in the thurd he is a actor with a french voice he is mysterio.
1chris2 - 11/23/2009, 3:12 PM

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