Could Captain America 3 Also Initiate A Team-Up?

With Captain America 3 going up against Batman vs. Superman, allegedly, in May 2016. Could Captain America 3 try to beat Batman vs. Superman at its own game?

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By TheDarman - 3/14/2014
Well, it appears it is official: Captain America 3 will be going up against Man of Steel 2/Batman vs. Superman/Justice League (whatever it will be called). And, while I do think that DC will be the one to have to back down, as I would imagine that Marvel can afford the loss of money on its properties, and DC needs this next movie to really succeed to warrant a full-fledged DC Cinematic Universe, I also think that Marvel could really pull out all the stops to push Man of Steel 2 off of their pre-secured spot.

Marvel has the benefit of having a huge (and still growing) cinematic universe. Captain America is nowhere near its biggest property. Many are wondering why Thor 3 wasn’t selected instead as Thor has always been a slightly larger franchise than Captain America. However, Thor’s stories have always resided in other realms, with stories focused on him. Captain America’s story has resided on Earth and in the United States of America (duh). This means other established Earth-dwelling characters are more accessible.

One of these is…Iron Man.



Now, I know what everyone is thinking. People are going to want to throw Kevin Feige’s words that the contract is to allow for new players to entire in Phase 3 and that Robert Downey Jr. doesn’t want to do a solo Iron Man film. And they’d be exactly right: Kevin Feige does want to expand on the Marvel Universe and Robert Downey Jr. has NOT signed a contract for any solo Iron Man film and I think it’s pretty clear Downey is doing nothing but team films from here on out.

The reason Marvel re-signed Downey seems to be pretty self-explanatory. Many analysts were thinking Downey’s removal could cost the studio up to 15% of its potential profits. When we’re talking about a movie essentially guaranteed to make $1.5 billion that is a lot of money lost, especially when Downey’s contract would reportedly cost only about $50-100 million per movie at most.

However, this would raise the question: why bring in such an expensive player for a franchise that is doing pretty well? Captain America: The Winter Soldier, while making a lot of money, will likely (no, will not) make nearly as much as Iron Man 3. Now, it isn’t hard to deny that coming RIGHT off of The Avengers probably boosted it a lot and great marketing made it even better but one thing is for sure: Iron Man is the key to Marvel and is clearly the most popular character of the bunch.

DC clearly has pulled the same trick. The Dark Knight Rises, alone, made over a billion dollars…without 3D ticket prices which is truly astounding (regardless of your opinions of the film, as I personally hated it). Batman is arguably the biggest or the second biggest superhero in the world (maybe behind Iron Man, but I’d say that is a stretch). However, Ben Affleck being the new Batman won’t go against it as much as it technically being a rebooted Batman after they just an old Batman on screen just four years previous (not even).

That being said: Batman is still a huge seller and putting him and Superman in one movie is sure to kill any solo movie Marvel has. The answer seems simple. Instead of doing a massive team-up like with Avengers: Age of Ultron, Marvel could re-sign Downey to have a supporting role in Captain America 3. Captain America will still be the main presence and, sure, Downey will end up shooting a little longer than he did for his solo films, but him being a secondary character limits shooting schedules but increases his pay for increased screen time.

Not only would this make Captain America 3 a bigger hit (probably not on the level of Man of Steel 2) but would also make it at least a competitor against the giant of a film that is Man of Steel 2. While I think both will still make an incredible amount of money, both of the movies’ profits would take a hit if they competed with each other. DC may just be able to accept that until you make Captain America 3 a real competitor.

This doesn’t end the point though that this may just be for money reasons. And I think to a certain extent that would be true but, at the same time, massive creative possibilities are opened up by the idea. Captain America and Iron Man’s relationship in the books is an interesting and complex one, one of the best ones because of the amount of history that they have. To have Iron Man and Captain America be able to interact outside of Avengers films would open up growth in the relationship much better than it otherwise could.

All-in-all, I think it would be a smart move to pay Downey a little more and sign him for one more co-operative movie in Captain America 3. Not only would it likely make DC back off but it would allow for Captain America 3 to get more audience recognition and also get people more excited for future Captain America sequels.

So, what do you think? Possible or impossible. Comment below and let me know. And I know this site has fallen victim to useless DC vs. Marvel debates and I would appreciate if everyone in the comments could set aside childish debates and exercise more mature discussion. Thanks!
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BatManHeisenberg - 3/14/2014, 11:04 PM
Wow, THAT would be a weekend to remember forever.
Praetorian - 3/14/2014, 11:05 PM
I'd like to see that except without Iron Man. Cap 3 Allies: Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, The Punisher (Enemy turned ally) Winter Soldier (unless he dies in Cap 2)
Praetorian - 3/14/2014, 11:06 PM
Plus they've already made that movie. It's called the Avengers
AgentZero - 3/14/2014, 11:11 PM
Iron Man doesn't have to be in it.

It could just be a Tony Stark : Director of Shield type thing.
Just show Robert Downey become director at the end of Avengers 2 and people will flock to see Cap 3
Destined - 3/14/2014, 11:14 PM
No Iron Man. While I do think Cap 3 will have heavy hitters on both hero and villain side, I do not want Iron Man in it. But do you guys think they will actually kill Cap off in this one? I know some speculate it'll be the third Avengers, but a lot of articles been making strong assumptions it could be the third Cap. Talk about a game changer going into Avengers 3 if that happens.
Reasonnnn - 3/14/2014, 11:15 PM
The thing is, WB will be moving the date. It's going to be a "win" for Marvel if they just dent BvS's potential box office receipts since Marvel has so many other properties that prints money, unlike WB, who needs BvS to be a massive hit.

Forbes' Scott Mendelson actually has a logical, unbiased take on CA3 vs BvS.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2014/03/14/batmansuperman-will-lose-showdown-with-captain-america-3/
TheIncredibleHulksta - 3/14/2014, 11:15 PM
not gonna happen
Destined - 3/14/2014, 11:20 PM
@ShadowPimp ya boy about to get his shine on in AOU. Relax lol.
TheWolfman - 3/14/2014, 11:22 PM
As a DC fan, they'd have to have someone either pretty big join Cap or a big team up in Cap 3. I'm thinking Black Panther or Punisher or *fingers crossed with prayers* Cap teams up with Defenders: Daredevil, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage for their first time on the big screen. It'll be hard to pull off with the defenders but a guy can dream. I'd like to see both Cap 3 and MoS2 do extremely well....
TheMadman - 3/14/2014, 11:23 PM
I think if anything it'll be Cap, Hawkeye, Falcon, maybe BW
CoulsonLives - 3/14/2014, 11:26 PM
Cap and Iron Man?
Civil War?
MsDarkPhoenix - 3/14/2014, 11:26 PM
Heey I just found the second member of the Hawkeye fandom!!! Welcome Shadow!! Our little archer is the coolest archer in the world but Feige can't see it!

Now, instead of Captain America 3, we should get Cap's Kooky Quartet! Including everything from Hawkeye's crush on Scarlet Witch to Quicksilver's obsession with circus!!
DrDoom - 3/14/2014, 11:27 PM
sick news story bro
MsDarkPhoenix - 3/14/2014, 11:31 PM
Sweeties <3 Best Avengers team ever!!!

batman1216 - 3/14/2014, 11:32 PM
I don't know Captain America teaming up with Ironman seems like not such a big deal after 2 Avengers movies. I agree with others here in introducing other big Marvel characters to team up with Cap, like Punisher, which I would personally love as a huge Punisher fan. Black Panther would also be awesome. This battle will not happen though. Don't delude yourselves. One will move, because there is just too much money at stake for both these franchises. Yes it is true Marvel has less to lose than DC, but I doubt they want to lose millions of dollars on one of their biggest franchises and characters either. DC will win this battle head to head, but they are going to take too big a hit on the most important film they have ever made, so they will probably move. Personally I just think Kevin Feige is a smart man and is using this whole thing as a publicity stunt to drum up a lot of attention for the new Cap movie plus comic movies in general. This publicity isn't really going to hurt either property and is actually is doing bot a favor. One will move though. I can almost guarantee that.
Moohika - 3/14/2014, 11:33 PM
Maybe. I'm a fan of both, but I just can't see the majority audience choosing CA & Iron Man for the 5th time as opposed to Superman and Batman together for the first time. Both companies would take a big hit either way.
JasonBlue - 3/14/2014, 11:34 PM
It'll probably be a Captain America and Buckey movie. Or maybe Captain America and the Agents of SHIELD :P haha...
Destined - 3/14/2014, 11:35 PM
@MrHulkSmashin I def could see that. Everyone from TWS is already pretty much returning so adding Hawkeye would be a no brainer as well. After seeing Jeremy bro'ing it up with Chris at the premiere, that would be dope.
batman1216 - 3/14/2014, 11:36 PM
@Moohika They won't, but it is definitely going to dent potential business for both movies, which is stupid. I would of course choose to see Batman/Superman over Cap if put into a position to choose, but I really love Captain America as well and would rather they opened separately,so I can look completely forward to that when it comes out.
Destined - 3/14/2014, 11:37 PM
@ShadowPimp they'll probably bring it to surface in AOU. Whedon seems to have some things up his sleeve for Clint.
MsDarkPhoenix - 3/14/2014, 11:38 PM
@Shadow There's always hope for the Hawkeye fans... All three of us.
MsDarkPhoenix - 3/14/2014, 11:41 PM
Remember when Clint kissed Wanda but it was actually Loki?? Remember when he had sex with Wanda but it actually was a Doombot??

Yeah, I want to see Hawkeye having a huge crush on Scarlet Witch!!! And making 'Cap is too old' jokes!!
Moohika - 3/14/2014, 11:42 PM
I am positive WB will move the date though, when they finally announce the official title of the movie.
jmartinez986 - 3/14/2014, 11:47 PM
i know the F4 rumor has been debunked, but would it be too out there to consider maybe cap teaming up with the human torch(rep. original torch), somehow getting the rights to namor, and bucky to form the invaders. given how it seems that shield will not be trustworthy/funcitonal after CA-TWS..
Destined - 3/14/2014, 11:50 PM
@ShadowPimp yes! That's who I'm waiting for too! I love Mockingbird, she should've been in the MCU tbh.
AsgardianHobo - 3/14/2014, 11:54 PM
all speculation. Someone will move from that date, its all just free press and attention for the movies. I'm thinking WB will move ad replace it with another big movie to compete. Just my 2 cents
Destined - 3/15/2014, 12:02 AM
@ShadowPimp I wish Mockingbird would've made an appearance in TWS too with her having a definite role in AOU or Fury sending her on a mission with Clint and they report back in AOU. Idk...something.
Destined - 3/15/2014, 12:04 AM
It would be dope to see Hawkeye and Mockingbird in Cap 3 though joining the team. I would love that.
erth2drew - 3/15/2014, 12:09 AM
IRON MAN/CAP IM CALLING IT IT"LL BE IRON MAN 4/CAP 3!!
MsDarkPhoenix - 3/15/2014, 12:12 AM
Yeah we definitely need Mockingbird!! She is an amazing character!
DutchMovieFan - 3/15/2014, 12:24 AM
Ohmygod Hawkeye fans! Yeay! Wou would you guys cast as Mockingbird? Personally I could see Maggie Lawson (from Psych) playing her, she kind of got a good personality for the role. I could also see them adding Kate Bishop as a agent on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
DutchMovieFan - 3/15/2014, 12:51 AM
Did I just kill the comment section?
xStarLordx - 3/15/2014, 2:33 AM
You said having Batman and Superman in one movie would kill any Marvel solo film. I stopped reading the entire thing. AND LAUGHED MY BUTT OFF! At this point the movie doesn't even need Ben Affleck to screw up. With all of their budget problems and being delayed is just really bad, especially so early on. IMO, the only way the movie will be good is if they write an amazing script and if Ben Affleck is a good Batman. At this point I can only see the latter.
godproject - 3/15/2014, 3:03 AM
It would be an excellent opportunity to do A Civil War movie. The main focus of that is Cap giving up on the government. Also, since it would be post Avengers 2 they could easily add in expanded roster for bigger strife between the factions. Ant-man will be out. "Guardians of the Galaxy" will have paved the way for extraterrestrials as enduring characters. Who knows who all they will introduce into Avengers 2. I just hope they can get the rights to X-men back. They could stand to have some mutants in there for an even more unique set of views.
sameoldthing - 3/15/2014, 3:24 AM
Why bother with 2 heroes..forget all the messy Avengers..just use the Big 3:
Cap,Iron Man & Thor in one movie fighting Modok & his minions.
CaptainSporty - 3/15/2014, 5:41 AM
get a whole shield team wih mockingjay, falcon, punisher, hawkkeye, black widow, and MAYBE an intro to ms marvel
Pasto - 3/15/2014, 6:08 AM
I know for a fact Marvel won't just sit there with their thumb up their arse. They'll have Cap team-up with someone. I just know it.
marvelstudios - 3/15/2014, 6:27 AM
Maybe Captain America 3 will be a team up movie of sorts. Former SHIELD operatives join Captain America and fight to take out the last remnants of Hydra lead by Baron Zemo, Baron Von Strucker and Red Skull.

I can imagine Captain America's team consisting of the Winter Soldier, Falcon, Hawkeye, Black Widow and Mockingbird.

I can see Hydra trying to invade Wakanda and Captain America and Co with Black Panther fights them off.
TimL - 3/15/2014, 6:37 AM
BvS will win anyways. There is no way anyone would choose Cap3 (even with Iron Man) over a more serious and dark BvS. It just doesn't make sense to me, especially after the circlejerk that was TDKR (which, tbh, got its ass spanked by BB and TDK, the worst out of the trilogy).
MrSotoMan - 3/15/2014, 7:28 AM
A team up movie from Captain America, now it's obvious both are really jealous.

Well, it all depends on the trailers folks! THE TRAILERS
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