Joss Whedon Talks About The Current Tropes Of The Superhero Genre.

Whedon recently sat down with the Huffington Post to talk about the the superhero cliches and tropes, calling Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight the "The Godfather" of superhero movies. Check it out!

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By McNyagano - 6/16/2014



"People have made it very clear that they are fed up with movies where entire cities are destroyed, and then we celebrate,"
said the director in full recognition that he used the same cliche ending in the Avengers. He added, "
Now, I watched 'The Dark Knight' and I thought of that as riffing on the genre," he said. "That was a superhero movie as 'The Godfather.' And I was like, 'But I just still want to see a superhero movie!' We had just gotten the technology to make it awesome, and I wasn't ready to be post-modern about it yet." Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight is considered by some as the epitome of superhero movies, so do you agree with Whedon's statement, comparing it to The Godfather? The director finally talked about the important things he finds in his work, referencing next summer's Avengers: Age of Ultron, "People come in with a certain amount of emotional baggage," he said, "So, whether we're in our larvae stage or our decadent stage, I can't really say, but I try to make my superhero movies as if there's either never been one or there's only ever been them. I work with the idea that it's just a natural way for people to be, so that you still make a movie about people." Whedon here is obviously emphasizing the humanity of the characters, do you guys agree with him? Leave your thoughts down below.

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Chcl - 6/16/2014, 8:49 AM
Starfox - 6/16/2014, 8:49 AM
Whedon is Da Man!
Starfox - 6/16/2014, 8:49 AM
Good find @McNy!
yossarian - 6/16/2014, 8:52 AM
There is only one thing which can save CBMs.
batz11 - 6/16/2014, 8:55 AM
Stick with seeing movies way before us, asshole! ;)
Jollem - 6/16/2014, 8:56 AM
the avengers was an avengers movie. the batman movies were batman movies. i don't see a problem
JamesMan - 6/16/2014, 8:59 AM
Whedon should know a thing or two about tropes, practically his whole filmography has more tropes than there are dicks in my wife.

cipher - 6/16/2014, 8:59 AM
I think we need more drunk heroes.

Somebody needs to represent the drunks of the world.
cipher - 6/16/2014, 8:59 AM
*booze enthusiasts

Ahem.
0megaDaGod - 6/16/2014, 9:00 AM
I have no idea what he said but Joss Whedon is awesome

And he made one of the dopest CBMs of all time

Now....

Sumitsjc - 6/16/2014, 9:01 AM
great that He knows this stuff..
Sumitsjc - 6/16/2014, 9:07 AM
Yo cipher this i what you want?

TheRationalNerd - 6/16/2014, 9:08 AM


Sike nah, do your thing Joss! lol
Mechagino - 6/16/2014, 9:08 AM
Watch how in AOU, there's a large amount of city destruction.
MrNiklander - 6/16/2014, 9:08 AM
People have made it very clear that they are fed up with movies where entire cities are destroyed, and then we celebrate,
Then excuse me if I sound ignorant Mr Whedon but isn't that how the comics usually end or any heroic story we were told throughout the time.That's the damn point of celebration afterwards it shows us that good has triumphed that people no matter what move on.Waht exactly do the people want?In the end of every superhero movie our main guy should fall to his knees and [frick]ing cry.Really?!That's what we want as an audience?! Arent superheroes supposed to teach us that no matter what's happening in the world that there will always be a shinning beacon of hope that hope has triumphed no matter the casualities the destruction that people move on.Ok folks let's have every superhero movie end on a [frick]ing downvote because Nolan did it in The Dark Knight ALTHOUGH they missed the point that Batman took the blame as for Gotham to still fight the madness surrounding it.What is the all talk about heroes should be treated as people now.THEY HAVE BEEN TREATED AS PEOPLE SINCE COMICBOOKS STARTED they are not gods they are people who happen to have powers but still they are treated with dilemmas,emotions,decisions which can change their life for beter of for worse. Seriously this is what Whedon just said.Shaking my head with this
batcheeks8 - 6/16/2014, 9:09 AM
He's right about that.
MrNiklander - 6/16/2014, 9:10 AM
It's like Whedon sounds that previous superhero movies never focused on the humanity part and NOW HE WILL FOCUS ON IT
Gusto - 6/16/2014, 9:11 AM

MrNiklander - 6/16/2014, 9:12 AM
I am not ranting on Whedon dude is ace on his work but still that sounds pretty stupid.Why struggle for your heroes to have humanity which they already have?
Sumitsjc - 6/16/2014, 9:14 AM
@TheBlackNerd

damn... ..
Yutz - 6/16/2014, 9:14 AM
THRILLLLAAAAA!
charlie2094 - 6/16/2014, 9:14 AM
Definitely agree with everything he said! Dark Knight definitely set an incredibly high bar, really changed what a CBM could be.

People for sure are getting tired of the same old structure, in regards to just huge destruction followed by celebration. Why films like Dark Knight are so well received, wasn't afraid to be different. Only so many times you can just use the same good guy fight bad guy, good guy win, people celebrate. Many ways to do that, but still good to try something different.

Really excited to see what he does with Age of Ultron
TheRationalNerd - 6/16/2014, 9:14 AM
If the Alien invasion ran throughout the entire film of the Avengers (like a disaster flick if you will) I think it would've benefited more from the finale of all the explosions and etc. It just felt like the Transformers endings of the finale battle with a few surprises of teamwork by the team. Even Joss said himself that he was more interested in Ultron than Loki. So seeing that Ultron is "supposed" to be his biggest crush of villain. Avengers 2 should live up to all the hype and more. lol
rabid - 6/16/2014, 9:17 AM
The number one obnoxious trope is the love story. Not every hero needs a damsel to save. Whedon knows this. The other Marvel directors don't seem to.
TheRationalNerd - 6/16/2014, 9:17 AM
I honestly favor a mystery ending or unhappy ending over the happy ones. It keeps the suspense rolling. However it all depends how much you're trying to expand the balloon (franchise)
ezio619 - 6/16/2014, 9:18 AM
Theblacknerd-instead unlike the Transformers films , which im not a fan of at all, the characters were still there and i atleast cared about what was happening
ManCalledSting - 6/16/2014, 9:18 AM
I'm confused, cuz he's saying people are fed up with cbms where cities are destroyed, but his cbm destroyed a city, and his second one will probably have a lot of destruction too.
kevberg - 6/16/2014, 9:18 AM
heres the thing--Its how BELIEVABLE the destruction is. that who last bit in Man of Steel LOOKED LIKE A SOUND STAGE. Y'know the part where Clark meets up with Perry and Lois and Zod. It was just a big FLAT AREA OF CONCRETE. IT LOOKED FAKE.


Which is whats is Jarring because the fight in KANSAS-- looked far more ' real" and didnt take you outta the scene.

Joss is right in that respect.
ezio619 - 6/16/2014, 9:20 AM
Theblacknerd-yeah whedon has wanted ultron since he even signed on to do the first film..Ultron , besdies Thanos, was his favorite marvel villain when he was reading comics and by casting one of his favorite actors in James Spader,i think he will do justice
LexHairFight - 6/16/2014, 9:20 AM
Fair points all around, but I don't think of The Dark Knight as post-modern, but a key point of the evolution. It's the opposite side of the spectrum showcasing the broad range of the genre with The Avengers sitting on the other side. Sure TDK would have been a great entry into the genre once the Super Hero fatigue set in, but being early to the game probably helped postpone the effect.

Personally I thank my lucky stars for both. The Avengers fulfilling everything we could want in a CBM and TDK expanding horizons of what a CBM can be. All other CBM's tend to fall between the two.
ezio619 - 6/16/2014, 9:21 AM
Mancalledsting-it says in the article..said the director in full recognition that he used the same cliche ending in the Avengers
cipher - 6/16/2014, 9:21 AM
YES!! We need a league of alcoholics. I guarantee that shit will make two billion.
cipher - 6/16/2014, 9:22 AM
*booze enthusiasts

Ahem. Yeah.
Liderc - 6/16/2014, 9:22 AM
@TheBlackNerf totally agree.

I like Inceptions ending much more than some tightly wrapped up ending, I talked about that film for weeks after seeing it.

These comic book movies have become like fast food, you eat it really quick and an hour later you forget you had it at all.

If Joss wants to keep me interested, he better get Marvel to create some films that have lasting effects. I'm just not interested in another superhero group-up and battle to the end and while he says he's not either, I don't believe him yet.
ezio619 - 6/16/2014, 9:23 AM
even though i do show my MCU bias alot of times,i fully acknowledge that, the dark knight is a great film and whenever its on,i will sit down and watch it,its so engaging with great performances and a intense story, i love variety,the DC films are dark, serious films and when done well , can be quite good imo, the MCU , while having its , dark serious moments and themes still is on the more fun, entertaining side of the genre and i appreciate that, i just want a good superhero film at the end
Odin - 6/16/2014, 9:23 AM
Dark Knight-trilogy is too new and modern to be Godfather of CBMs, I think Raimi's Spidermen films are more of a Godfather-trilogy of CBM genre.
shabat - 6/16/2014, 9:24 AM
He is right about the city destruction though. With Transformers, Avengers and Man of Steel, it needs to be different again.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 6/16/2014, 9:25 AM
Avengers 2 is the only Marvel film I am looking forward to.
McNyagano - 6/16/2014, 9:26 AM
Captain America: The Winter Soldier is the perfect CBM for me, taking elements I liked from both TDK and The Avengers and meshing them into one.

Yutz - 6/16/2014, 9:27 AM
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
Agreedo.
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