Joss Whedon Already Talking AVENGERS 2

We're still a little ways away from the premiere of The Avengers but director Joss Whedon is already thinking abstractly about what he wants to do in a sequel.

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By Mark Julian - 3/8/2012


Joss Whedon has said that a sequel to The Avengers needs to be "smaller" and "more personal". So those of you making comparisons to Michael Bay an Transformers can at least have the comfort of knowing that an Avengers sequel will be drastically different.

The Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly creator told SFX that he doesn't want a follow-up to "rehash" what worked in the first film.

When asked how Avengers 2 could top next month's epic, superhero blockbuster, Whedon responded: "By not trying to. By being smaller. More personal, more painful.

"By being the next thing that should happen to these characters, and not just a rehash of what seemed to work the first time. By having a theme that is completely fresh and organic to itself."


Shifting focus back to the first film, Whedon stated that he's attempted to give each character in The Avengers, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor and Hulk, enough screen time to see "what makes them awesome".

"I want to know what makes them tick, what makes them flawed, what makes them fight - and ultimately, what makes them awesome," he explained. "I go to these movies for those moments when the heroes define themselves, either through action or deliciously overwritten speeches."



Hmm. So smaller and more personal for Avengers 2? Does that mean no global threat and no S.H.I.E.L.D.? Clearly, Whedon's done a little bit of thinking about where he wants to go next and I'm seriously wondering if he's already written a treatment.


A possible Avengers 2 lineup, Black Panther and War Machine join the team?



The Avengers is an upcoming American superhero film produced by Marvel Studios and distributed by Walt Disney Pictures, based on the Marvel Comics superhero team of the same name. It is the sixth installment in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The film is written and directed by Joss Whedon and features an ensemble cast, which includes Robert Downey, Jr., Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, Jeremy Renner and Samuel L. Jackson. In The Avengers, Nick Fury, director of the peacekeeping organization S.H.I.E.L.D., recruits Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Captain America to save the world from destruction.

Development of The Avengers began when Marvel Studios received a grant from Merrill Lynch in April 2005. After the success of the film Iron Man in May 2008, Marvel announced that The Avengers would be released in July 2011. With the signing of Scarlett Johansson in March 2009, the film was pushed back for a 2012 release. Whedon was brought on board in April 2010 and rewrote the screenplay that was originally written by Zak Penn. Production began in April 2011 in Albuquerque, New Mexico, before moving to Cleveland, Ohio in August 2011 and New York City in September 2011. The film was converted to 3D in post-production.

The Avengers is scheduled for release on May 4, 2012 in the United States in 2D and 3D.









Running Time: Unknown
Release Date: May 4 2012 (USA)
MPAA Rating: PG 13 for for intense sequences of action and violence, some disturbing images, and language
Starring: Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Samuel L. Jackson, Tom Hiddleston, Cobie Smulders, Jeremy Renner, Clark Gregg, Stellan Skarsgård, Mark Ruffalo, Amanda Righetti, Scarlett Johansson and Lou Ferrigno The Incredible Hulk (voice) .
Directed by: Joss Whedon
Written by: Zak Penn (initial screenplay), Joss Whedon (revised screenplay)


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BlueMex - 3/8/2012, 11:26 AM
well said Whedon!
PaulRom - 3/8/2012, 11:35 AM
I like the sound of that. I think being bigger is the flaw of many sequels these days and ultimately forgetting about the substance (Pirates Of The Caribbean, Transformers
RunDTC - 3/8/2012, 11:39 AM
have Coulson be a Skrull and kill somebody.
kurekurcubic - 3/8/2012, 11:41 AM
if that really does end up to be the case(which i seriously doubt) then im sure disney/marvel will have one word for him-FIRED!!!
Chiyonosake - 3/8/2012, 11:44 AM
"By being smaller. More personal, more painful." sounds like Civil War.
ROBBEATZZZ - 3/8/2012, 11:50 AM
IDK bro civil war wasnt small
ROBBEATZZZ - 3/8/2012, 11:58 AM
also civil wars numerous characters would make it bigger..which many of those characters marvel studios doesnt have the rights to
Shaman - 3/8/2012, 12:00 PM
I'm all for it ONLY if he's the one that writes it. [frick] anybody else!
Shaman - 3/8/2012, 12:01 PM
Make the sequel about MS. MARVEL!!!
IronHood - 3/8/2012, 12:01 PM
Ant-Man & Wasp Better be in Avengers 2. They should have been in the first movie seeing is how their original/founding members.
StrangerX - 3/8/2012, 12:02 PM
Hmmmm. what could it be. I like the Black Panther being involved idea but that's too obvious. Lets hope Hank Pym gets to create Vision.
GingerBird - 3/8/2012, 12:02 PM
Joss Whedon is one handsome devil...
Brady1138 - 3/8/2012, 12:03 PM
Sounds like Whedon knows what he's doing! Hope they'll go with what was said earlier by expanding the Marvel universe on screen and that "The Avengers" only concludes Round 1.
TheBaroness89 - 3/8/2012, 12:04 PM
I would go for Ultron in a "Rise of the machines" type of conflict or The Masters of Evil
SageMode - 3/8/2012, 12:05 PM
The Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly creator told SFX that he doesn't want a follow-up to "rehash" what worked in the first film.


Not to start a flame war, but this is exactly why i I think Nolan's Batman films are EXTREMELY overrated. He pretty much REHASES the same Motive of the villains in each Bat movie he's made as them trying to accomplish the exact same thing that brings them into conflict with Batman. That's not innovated or original. But rather lazy and selfish and not exciting.

That's why i respect Joss Whedon's approach to the AVENGERS ALOT MORE than I do Nolan's approach to the Baman series, and it shows.

@GRAPHICCITY

That pic of ULTIMATE AVENGERS with War Machine is actually Tony Stark in the armor. Just in case you didn't know.
AstroZombie - 3/8/2012, 12:05 PM
When asked how Avengers 2 could top next month's epic, superhero blockbuster, Whedon responded: "By not trying to. By being smaller. More personal, more painful.

OK, but isn't that what the solo movies should do? The Avengers movies should be about spectacle and going big with the action, thats kind of the whole point of putting all these chacters together in the first place. The solo films should be about character development and The Avengers films about Earth shattering events that bring the team together.
HelaGood - 3/8/2012, 12:06 PM
SMALLER??? like Wasp-size? ;)
Shaman - 3/8/2012, 12:07 PM
0SageMode0- I entirely agree!
DudeLove721 - 3/8/2012, 12:08 PM
Hmmm, that's an intriguing... doing storylines like that for the second movie would be interesting. Question is would Disney even allow that? Also, Marvel has said that their film division would only make PG-13 movies so they would have to be careful. (When I say Marvel Films, I mean the ones they still own the rights to.)
FrankInStereo - 3/8/2012, 12:08 PM
Brilliant idea. Think about it. One of the greatest sequels ever, "The Empire Strikes Back," really pulled the story back and focused on the characters. The stakes in the second film were undoubtedly smaller and it allowed room for character growth. I don't need bigger spectacle if it allows for a great, dynamic story to be fleshed out. I think the knee-jerk reaction, ala Michael Bay, is to go bigger, louder and more 'splodier. It's the exact wrong approach to take to a sequel.
MarkJulian - 3/8/2012, 12:09 PM
@SageMode0 ShhhhhhH! The colors work!
Benjamitesandwich - 3/8/2012, 12:09 PM
How about Marvel gets all movie rights and make an Earth X movie?
ROBBEATZZZ - 3/8/2012, 12:09 PM
Its going to be very interesting to see how he follows the Cap, Ironman, Thor sequals..also the new introduced solo films..like Dr. Strange & so on

@Nomis ..possible....Ultron
mrHJK - 3/8/2012, 12:10 PM
Smaller as in a god isn't using an alien army to conquer the planet so earth's mightiest have to stop it, but instead perhaps they are betrayed by a member of the team (Black Widow, Hank Pym, etc.) and the villains they face aren't the cosmic sort, but more personal (Masters of Evil kind of thing hopefully). That's what I think they should do with the sequel. Kind of like Ultimates 2.
StrangerX - 3/8/2012, 12:11 PM
ULTRON ULTRON ULTRON
headlopper - 3/8/2012, 12:12 PM
Wow. It's refreshing to hear someone in the film industry with his head on straight.

Bravo Mr. Whedon!
DudeLove721 - 3/8/2012, 12:12 PM
Ugh, I can't type. I meant that's an intriguing possibility and my comments were referring to the whole spousal abuse storyline. Not sure if they could get a PG-13 rating with that or if Disney would allow them to do it.
LucasMend - 3/8/2012, 12:12 PM
Make them departing from shield at the end of the first. then introduce wasp and hank pym! hank on the avengers 2 should be something like the new cartoon, be able to be both ant man and giant man!
Optimus83 - 3/8/2012, 12:14 PM
¡¡¡Good!!! Joss Whedon Assamble
headlopper - 3/8/2012, 12:15 PM
So rational and realistic.

Marvel , you make sure you give this guy his breathing space to create film as he visualizes it ,because you have a good talent here.

Don't bully him into doing things studio's usually do to make more money - or so they think.

Spider-man 3 anyone?!
mrexcellent - 3/8/2012, 12:16 PM
@ TheDukeOfNY:

IMHO, the answer is yes and no.

Yes in the sense that the Avengers need to have a reason to join together and fight, the movie has to have a purpose. Also, the solo films need to be personal, otherwise we have lost potential to get the heart of the character on screen, and that's supposed to be the point of Marvel Studios handling their characters in house.

No in the following sense:
Whedon has emphasized that this is to be a true team movie, and in many good team movies, the personal stories are still very important. Especially when you get to see how the personal characters evolve during these team ups. So by going more personal and examining all the little microcosms within the framework of the big team set up, you appreciate the team aspect a little more.

Of course, not all good team movies follow Whedon's "smaller, more personal, more painful" approach (X2 is fantastic, but I don't consider it to be a super intimate look at any one character, maybe Wolverine...maybe), but I think this is just his way of going about the whole thing, and I think he knows what he's comfortable with and how to do a good job using his approach.
sexfoodcomics - 3/8/2012, 12:17 PM
Sounds like a psychological villain like Thanos can do pretty well Ina small painful movie. :)
Denn1s - 3/8/2012, 12:20 PM
i love this guy. he knows exactly what he is doing. marvel, don't you dare fire him like favreau....
Lockjaw - 3/8/2012, 12:22 PM
I just hope we get hank pym, wasp, ultron, vision and maybe even wonderman !
StrangerX - 3/8/2012, 12:24 PM
Something tells me Marvel will be trying to make Iron Man III will as big of an event as the Avengers with a possible armor wars. So maybe that's why he wasnt to make it smaller and more personal.
Lockjaw - 3/8/2012, 12:26 PM
Oh and a hawt ms.marvel !!
superotherside - 3/8/2012, 12:27 PM
I agree. I'd say the next line up should be:

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Black Panther
Vision
Antman/Giant Man (This could be either Hank Pym or Scott Lang)
Wasp
Ms Marvel

Hawkeye, and Black Widow could do their own spin off film and they could but wouldn't necessarily be needed in Avengers 2. But if they can include them that's fine IMO.

Hulk could be in Avengers 2 as well, but it might be better to put him in a Defenders movie or something perhaps or another solo film.

My plot for Avengers 2:

Hank Pym creates Ultron's to take over for the Avengers in facing global threats. He malfunctions and begins taking over the world, trying to gain not only the world communications but gathering the Infinity Gauntlet gems. The Avengers defeat Ultron but the gems are gone. Then it shows Thanos was the one who made Ultron malfunction and try to take over the world, Thanos wanted someone to keep the Avengers busy while he collected all the gems and the gauntlet. Now he has them and this would lead directly into Avengers 3.
RaleighAntrobus - 3/8/2012, 12:28 PM
@Lockjaw -

Yeeeaaahhh, not gonna happen.
dellamorte1872 - 3/8/2012, 12:30 PM
it'll be B.W. spying for someone else so in the end she'll be reluctantly working for the bad guy. the sequel will have 2 new members then b/c i doubt the HULK stays. if he does that's uncharacteristic of the HULK. i vote for ANT-MAN + WASP of course. but i have a feeling we will be getting BLACK PANTHER and MS. MARVEL
dellamorte1872 - 3/8/2012, 12:32 PM
THE GREATEST CLUE IS "PERSONAL" AND WE ALL KNOW THAT MEANS ultron and a "betrayal"
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