FEATURE: What I, Just Me, Not You, Want For BatFleck & The Future of Batfilms.

There are countless debates being held over Ben Affleck getting cast as Batman. I am not joining that debate, instead, I'm going to talk about what I would love Batfleck to be. Including what I would love to see the next Batfilms become. Read on for my minor vision into the future of Batfilms.

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By E.F. "Manny" Camacho - 9/3/2013


There are (virtually) countless arguments for and against Ben Affleck’s Batman casting. I've stayed out of the online debate, because there really doesn’t need to be another random argument for or against the controversial pick. Besides much of those arguments are pointless; many great debates for and against Affleck have already been made. A good chunk of those great debates are already on this massive website. There are 5800+ results when you search the site using,"Ben Affleck", feel free to read through them.

I’m not adding to that, instead, I’m moving ahead of said arguments and pointing out what I want from Affleck in the upcoming 2015 Superman/Batman crossover. For me, there are quite a few topics I think that need to be addressed for this film to be a pinnacle of comic book movie making.



We already know the storyline that pits Superman and Batman together; it was also quoted at the Comic-Con Panel which announced the film, by using the dialogue from the recent Frank Miller graphic novel based animated feature, Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Part II. We already know this crossover leads to a World’s Finest entry - heading towards the Justice League film. With that in mind, Keep true to the characters, and focus on a general take from Miller's works; move on from there. So long as the characters are represented properly, it should set the stage for the rest to fall into place.



I love the Nolan films, I thought they were both amazing "films", and amazing "comic book movies"; the films all happened to (also) be great summer popcorn flicks. There are people that argue a lot over these movies; to be honest, I don’t care about those arguments. Cry me a river, but I just don’t care. In the end, two of those films from Nolan's trilogy are in the top 2nd and 3rd spots for highest grossing comic book films ever. Call that the proverbial Bazooka kiddies, your arguments are invalid. Nolan’s movies resonated with millions of people and provided such a profit line for WB/DC that it's allowing them to overcome failures like the Green Lantern film, which can be summarized (now) as a pricey experiment.

However, the Nolanverse helped the studio move on to make Man of Steel, and this crossover movie possible. So arguments against Nolan’s films are pretty moot. Consider it this way, "he already won…He already won." It’s time to move on and go crazy with a new Batman film and his characters' portrayal.

Affleck has the opportunity to do with Bruce Wayne what Ledger did with the Joker. Completely redefine the character, make it his own and set the standard for how future incarnations will be measured. It doesn't need to be focused on realism. We already had realism in spades (in truth, we've always had realism with all the other incarnations). We want fantastical, jaw dropping, escapism. I believe in Ben Affleck (I kind of have to, it’s not like the studio gives a shit what I have to say, so I’m getting behind him!).



Go back to basics with the Batsuit; give us something akin to the beauty seen in the comics, that isn't so bulky and difficult to move in. Most of us should understand that the Nolanverse was as much a discovery and origins trilogy as much as it was a Batflick. We had to see Bruce stumble, make mistakes, and adapt to get it right. Just like many other issues in Waynes journey through the series, we spent so much time dealing with the suit; we lose screen time of Batman actually being Batman.

I’m old school, I love the simplicity of the Frank Miller suit, but I also think Burton had the suit that most incarnations emulated later on. With the exception of the (not very tactical) yellow emblem, and yellow utility belt. How about just keeping it simple and completely functional.

Batman was a highly trained martial artist that literally flipped and somersaulted over his opponents with extreme amounts of grace and poise; all the while throwing all kinds of weapons at his enemies while in mid air. That would never have happened in the bulky Nolanverse Batsuit. Eliminating a huge element we loved in other Batman media, his acrobatics.

I don’t want a Real Batman. I want my comic book characteristic Batman. I want the guy that makes our jaws drop because he is a good old fashioned, flesh and blood dude, using his wits, detective skills, extremely committed martial arts abilities against his larger-than-life enemies. I want the Dark Knight. I want a Millerverse! We already know that the crossover is steeped heavily in Frank Miller’s graphic novels. I do not want a Watchmen style adaptation. But I do want Batman himself, to be solidly based out of that text. At least in the spirit of the text. In other words, look no further for context and reference material; put Miller on the payroll, and have him help Snyder shape the character.



Bale and Keaton’s cape killed fight choreography. To a small degree these franchises showcased some interesting points with the use of the cape; which was a nice attempt, but those were usually represented within static movement, or simply falling, not really in combat, not enough at least.

The fight scenes suffered because of a real world set of physics affecting the movement of the cape, that in the comics and animated series appear to be nearly alive and artfully graceful. This hindered those fight scenes greatly. Special Effects, creative editing, and solid choreography can control this aspect (well enough) to allow for proper movement that lets us, the audience, get completely immersed in the film.

Remove the issue of the cape getting in the way for the fights, and you have immediately improved the potential for the fight choreography. Nolan’s fights were simply, OK, “Elbows Up” style movement, with an extreme amount of cuts that really didn't let you experience the fights. Burton’s fights were a little more visceral with a few specific memorable scenes where the cape didn't really play a role, but was used in graceful movement; specifically the front kick scene against a martial artist coming at Batman with Twin Wushu broadswords. But other scenes seemed to just have him use the suit to protect himself without much activity on his part. Schumacher even tried to have more fights in his films, but really the best fights occurred with Robin in the alley scenes, without any costume or cape hindering the fight choreography.



Show Batman’s agility! His near Spider-Man-like swinging-in-the-streets and over buildings capability; including his Batman-esque parkour style chases of his villains.

Schumacher's Bat-films were, for all intent and purposes, over-the-top with a “toy” selling mentality; unable to accomplish Batman's abilities well. Consider, for most of the series, and animated films, we’ve seen Batman move, run, jump, swing, and fight in ways that would thrill (and scare) any normal person in the real world. We’ve seen him do things that seemed superhuman.

You try standing on the edge of the Empire State building without any rope attached to you, and jump off; go ahead, try and land on a building a block away. That’s extremely ballsy, perhaps really stupid; either way, it’s what Batman does normally on a daily basis. We've never really explored this concept in full with the live action films; save a few specific scenes.

We've seen (mostly) how “some” of Batman's abilities can be done in the real world, and Hollywood productions are constantly obsessed with how this translates onto the big screen.

Here's the answer: Treat Batman almost like Superman; realize that he has to be able to hang with Kal-El on the big screen. Nothing in any of the past live action films will ever convince me that this character can actually do anything more than save a cat from a tree if Superman existed in the same world. The failed Green Lantern film alone is evidence of the same argument. Affleck has the opportunity to use this to his advantage and MAKE us BELIEVE in Batman.




Affleck has the size, the build, and 10+ years age difference, to help him look the senior role; the world weary detective, that could have almost been a film-noir representation of a comic book character. The tough and intelligent type that doesn’t throw himself into a stupid fight.

Give us a performance that shows Affleck is completely a step ahead of the game. Always thinking, always planning. Always ready.

I want to hear him say those same famous words, even if the whole film is modified from the source. The same words stated to Superman when Batman defeated him. I want to see Batman get the upper hand on big blue and then walk away. But we need to get back to basics, back to the Batman that actually did detective work. Not the Batman that in TDK looked at luscious Fox (all) fanboy-mesmerized over a cell phone with sonar built into it; lacking the intelligent words to understand what he was playing with. That Batman was a different take, I still loved him, sure... But I want the Detective version of Bruce that could solve the mysteries confronted by Superman all on his own. The same genius that created all of his own gear.




Leave that shit for Lethal Weapon, and Bruce Willis movies! I expect a Batman that is tireless, fearless, stubborn, prudent, patient, and unflinching in the face of everything he has to overcome. I won’t chastise what we saw in TDKR; it was somewhat necessary. Yet the manner in which the flow went, from sickly and “I’m too old for this shit”, to ass-kickery (while) escaping strange awkward prisons was odd at best. We don’t need to see any of the issues Wayne deals with for his personal demons. Because a lot of TDKR was about his personal shit, his age, his will... We know all of this already! Moving on.

Affleck needs to Be cautious that a team-up with Superman is going to be about two types of personalities clashing; easy prey for a films screenwriter and director to fall into. Accidentally (and unintentionally) using the “Buddy Cop” theme; especially with the older Bruce Wayne wanting to retire. Bruce, may, in the end, respect Kal as his friend; but his attitude and behavior is analogous to the the United States (Sovereign), while Clark is more like the UN (and wants to play nice with everyone).

Bruce is never willing to give up his autonomy, and he behaves like a damn honey badger, “he don’t give a shit” about what you have to say; he does what he feels is right and necessary. He backs up his actions. Affleck needs to be able to convey this.




We really didn't get much of a Cave in the Nolan films, it was more of an aesthetic, we knew it was there, and yet again got partially destroyed. Just like in the Schumacher films. Although, personally Riddler’s “Joygasm” was more enjoyable and believable to watch than Bales rendtion of Wayne stood there while dudes casually set fire to the mansion.

The Batcave is synonymous to me in the comic world as is New York and a Natural Disaster, Terrorists, or Kaiju invading the city. We get it; everyone wants to mess Batman’s shit up. It’s been done. Be original. How about we get some of the Burton-esque Batcave that was actually functional. I don’t want the same thing, and it doesn’t have to be based on the comic, or as campy as the Burton and Schumacher films. But let’s use his lair, with some real purpose; and by-the-by (actually) keep that mofo a secret this time!




The MCU has 10 movies completed of 17+ already planned. What does DC have? One failed Green Lantern film, One failed Superman Returns film, and One Man of Steel film; that while successful, has been teetering on a see-saw of debate from the fandom vs the mainstream. Then account for a no-longer-being-used needing-a-reboot Batman Trilogy, with one new Man of Steel and one Justice League movie still in the works. So technically, one film...One F'ing film, with two incoming. DC needs to push forward without the fear of setting up future projects; like Marvel has been doing and get us to the JLA film and beyond.




I made a comment a while back on a different article that the name "Batman" can be said in a remote location in Africa and people will say “Kevin Conroy!” To illustrate an exaggerated example that everyone knows Batman. Focus the bulk of the screen time on pure story and action of the film. We don't need the flashbacks about his parents, we don’t need to see anymore breakdowns of why they died, turning him into who he is. Aside from a child sent from another planet, raised by farmers, Batman's beginnings are among the most well known origin stories in comics. Move on, don’t waste any time in the film with this aspect, give us pure screen joy; have us marvel at the fights, the grandeur of the enemy, the wonder and concern of the divide in mentality between our two principle heroes. Everything else is moot, because it’s already well known.




Get Affleck a vocal trainer, preferably someone that has worked with voice actors in the past, and help him train his vocal range. No one knows the vocal profiles of the characters in the DC universe better than Andrea Romano, I worked with her on Guardians of Luna for a while (in early development) when I was producing and watched her direct in the booth; she is absolutely amazing. She brought in Kevin Conroy, Tim Daly, Clancy Brown, and Mark Hamill in all of the original DC animated works; and has been their voice director for the bulk of over 20 years in those roles. If anyone should be brought in as a consultant to help make sure Affleck's voice is not whatever-the-hell Bale was doing in the Nolanverse, it should be her.

I read a lot of material and I laugh all the time when I read someone comment “He doesn’t have the chops” (RE: Affleck). This is (plainly) stupid, because Bale butchered the voice and Keaton, well he just used his own voice, as did both Kilmer, and Clooney. It worked, generally, but they could have done more with it. Keeping a strong mind to understand that the Schumacher films were really for children. Bale & Keaton both have tremendous acting “chops” but I bet they didn't have Andrea Romano working with them as a vocal coach.




Merchandise the film, sure! "Get yo money boo boo!" But stay true to the original tech Batman uses and keep it simple enough that its meaningful, purposeful, allows for action, mobility, and high levels of combat, without having to waste time explaining what it is, or money making random crap (affecting the overall budget). We know his tools, we know the gear. Take a Doctor Who approach and presume we just accept it without having to explain any of it "Timey-Wimey Stuff". We spent entirely too much time in the Nolanverse “discovering” his gear, playing with some of it and (sure) fawning over it; less time watching him actually using any of it.



Seriously, Superman saved the world from a gravity well style device terra-forming our planet by affecting it’s gravity and density. There is no realism here. It’s pure science fiction, and comic book fantasy. Do the same for Batman, make him over the top, don’t be afraid to follow some of the comic book characteristics. Just don’t turn it into a Schumacher-Burton world of strange color palettes. Keep the same feel as with Man of Steel and keep your reference material handy, and specific. Vary that material too much and it’s the same as a brainstorming session with multiple visions. If you end up compromising, you’ll end up with exactly that, a compromised vision, and it will be noticeable.

These are some of the things I want to see brought into action by Affleck in his role of Batman. I think he will do just fine in the much loved role. But I also think he has the opportunity to redefine this role. He has the chance, he has our attention.


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By @Emanuelfcamacho

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Jollem - 9/3/2013, 12:13 AM
dkhager - 9/3/2013, 12:16 AM
good article..well done..cant wait to see my dream on the big screen
thebug022 - 9/3/2013, 12:16 AM
yes, I would like this very much
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 12:17 AM
@jollem "...Batman! Yes, Batman!" haha!
ScottMontgomery - 9/3/2013, 12:17 AM
Great editorial agree with you 100%, all I can say is this movie better deliver it has the potential to destroy the CBM genre
SoundWave - 9/3/2013, 12:18 AM
NO STUPID VOICES!!!!!

KEEP IT FANTASTIC!!!!

HELL, YEAH!!!
dkhager - 9/3/2013, 12:18 AM
@Jollem..i found all those old serials on dvd not too long ago for 2 bucks..theyre a good addition to my vast batman room..and decent to watch through a few times
Neonzel - 9/3/2013, 12:25 AM
Lets have Superman kick Batman's ass, and maybe somewhere down the line when Batman actually has time to come up with a plan he can beat Superman in a later film. Wouldn't make sense if he beats Superman in their first meeting, how would he know Superman's weakness before Superman even knows it?
Jollem - 9/3/2013, 12:25 AM
lol, the serials are an interesting watch :)
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 12:29 AM
@neonzel I was actually talking about this recently, wondering if we should even get the same event as in the GN. It's why I want to see him demonstrate enough ability, know how, and do his sneaking around to get the dirt on his new "ally"; to make sure he can deal with him. Possibly because of the destruction he caused in his first outing. Very good point. I'd be happy if he gets some good licks in, before having to deal with something insane going on around them, forcing a "momentary" truce.
HulkbusterNYC - 9/3/2013, 12:31 AM
Awesome editorial
blkyank - 9/3/2013, 12:33 AM
The Justice League needs to have been formed during the 2 to 3 year gap between MOS2 and Justice League.

To make that happen, you have to establish in MOS2 that other heroes exist even if Superman has not met them. A way around this would be for Batman,the veteran superhero, to have files or even run ins with other heroes before he met Superman.

Green Lantern bombed, but I feel the film can be worked into a shared continuity especially if it ties into Arrow/The Flash.

We shall see when they cast Amanda Waller in Arrow as Angela Basset or an actress that looks similar to her.

It would be cool if Waller has a history with Batman the way she did in the JL animated series.

That would be a massive easter egg to drop during the Arrow series if she said The Hood was another vigilante problem like the guy in Gotham.
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 12:37 AM
@blkyank do you know what the massive problem is with what you just typed...

It's intelligent...and it would make a lot of sense.

113 - 9/3/2013, 12:48 AM
NO.

No Frank Millerization of the DCCU. None. Especially no Frank Millerization of Superman. I really hope Snyder doesn't give into this inane Bat Fanboy wetdream of having Batman defeat Superman. Don't take a dump on a character you just helped revive.

That's why I don't really give a shit about Affleck's casting, but what worries me is the TDKReturns bent they seem to be on. Get your heads out your asses Snyder/Goyer. There are PLENTY of better Superman/Batman encounters than TDKReturns. Loeb's run is the perfect example.

Also. KEEP the armored batsuit, nothing looks dumber than spandex. An armored suit makes perfect sense. Make a suit that is partially bullet proof. Nolan was on the right track, continue down that path with the suit. You can make an armored look AND make a agile costume, it just takes good designers. You can have your cake and eat it too.

I'm fine with SOME fantastical elements, but I want to keep the DCCU as grounded as possible. Let Marvel be the more fantastical movie universe. DC should carve out it's own identity, and going for the "realistic" approach is the right move.
JediPhilosopher - 9/3/2013, 12:53 AM
Nice article. I agree with everything he says, I think. Except I think Ben Affleck was a terrible choice and wish they'd change their minds the sooner the better. Acting can be fixed, a voice can be fixed, a face can't. But we'll see what the audience thinks.
JediPhilosopher - 9/3/2013, 12:58 AM
@efcamachopmp lol, good burn on Warner Brothers. I hate to hate WB related to DC stuff, so I won't.. Til it's released.
SpiderParker - 9/3/2013, 12:58 AM
Wow, nice article, 100% agreed but Keaton's batman voice was different than his normal voice, it showed anger and was a little harsh, he just didn't overdo it like Bale did.
DEATHbyEXILE - 9/3/2013, 1:01 AM
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 1:01 AM
@113 the problem is DC has taken a snails pace to have any kind of moves. It's pretty sad that most of the work is no longer viable. MoS is pretty much ground zero for any hopes of a DCCU. They've been squeamish of pulling the trigger. Because a good chunk of their characters are, in effect, fantastical.

BTW - Superman is pretty much in a spandex suit...So is Green Lantern...Yeah we can keep going.

Batman having no superhuman strength will never really be acrobatic or agile in any armored suit, or anything at all similar to what the Nolanverse brought on. It was a great look, for sure. But the fights suffered for it. But I agree some nice tweaking and we can get a solid batsuit, that isn't a spandex suit.

Also, no offense dude, it's not a fanboy "wetdream"; that event is in the comics, Batman technically defeats Superman in it. They used the dialogue of that scene in the announcement of the teaser emblem at Comic-Con. Chances are we're getting something to that effect. Probably not the exact same thing, but more likely closer than we can speculate.
Neonzel - 9/3/2013, 1:03 AM
@133 I say have fabric over the armor,we could get some nice money shots of the fabric tearing away to reveal the armor underneath.
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 1:04 AM
@spiderparker I'm actually watching Batman Returns in the background, Keaton kind of makes his voice a bit lower. I guess that was good enough, but yes absolutely not on the level that bale attempted. I'm guessing when he asked for advice and direction, they told him "Jack Bauer that shit!"
SpiderParker - 9/3/2013, 1:05 AM
@113
The armored suit in Nolan movie looked nothing like a Batsuit, most of the times you cant even see the Batman logo but I would say to go with a armored look but not as Nolan did but as in Arkham series. The Arkham suit was perfect, it looked like the classic suit yet had all usefulness.
casanovagunny - 9/3/2013, 1:06 AM
Love this article! Great read and interesting points.
JediPhilosopher - 9/3/2013, 1:07 AM
I always though even the Keaton voice was strange. I had grown up just hearing a normal-sounding voice in the old cartoons. But, if he's supposed to manipulate his voice, I'd much rather it be more like Michael Keaton's did than Christian Bale's. This is one of those things that people worry Ben Affleck won't be able to pull off. Personally, I think they'll figure all that stuff out. It's just that his face doesn't remotely seem like Batman or Bruce Wayne to me. I keep reaching for a word to describe what he's lacking. I keep coming up with "masculine ruggedness". Batman has it. Affleck can't.
SpiderParker - 9/3/2013, 1:10 AM
@efcamachopmp
LOL, yeah he overdid the voice thing, his voice kind of got worse by each movie. But Keaton's seemed pretty good, it wasn't recognizable from his Bruce Wayne voice.

efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 1:12 AM
@jediphilosopher When I first imagined him behind the cowl, I kept thinking of the alternate universe batman, Thomas Wayne Sr.. Same gruff scowl on his face that Affleck had in Daredevil.
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 1:15 AM
@spiderparker lol Yeah, to me he just lowers his register a bit bit its recognizable to his normal voice. I'm hoping that when he starts doing some promo touring this month, someone asks him to say "I'm Batman" and we can get an idea of what he sounds like...
Ryden - 9/3/2013, 1:17 AM
I agree with most of your points but I just dont understand the obsession with Frank Miller's Batman. TDKR is good and all, but Miller's writing is insane. He doesn't write the CHARACTER very well, and that's what bothers me. Ben Affleck should be watching the animated series and nothing else if you ask me.
SpanX13 - 9/3/2013, 1:19 AM
All valid points...I believe in getting the right people to help set up this DCU. Romano, Dini, the writers of Men of action. The way they designed the Young Justice universe & made Sportsmaster & Ivo relevant again, you need that type of story tellers. Why because an Atlantean & Amazon are not going to fit into a "real world" setting. How do you incorporate them.

Batman would be the one who recruits the heroes, he would be 1step ahead of everyone, including the government. The worlds most dangerous man, should be portrayed as such.
SpiderParker - 9/3/2013, 1:19 AM
I guess every fan he meets from now on will be asking something along the line to show his Batman voice, I guess that's the reason he is not talking to the media about the movie, by this time he should have talked something about the role. Maybe the fans scared him. :/
SpiderParker - 9/3/2013, 1:22 AM
@SpanX13
I don't think so that Batman will get everyone together, he works alone, I guess he will keep a tab on everyone and everyone will want him but he wont join them until imminent danger.
JediPhilosopher - 9/3/2013, 1:23 AM
Forget the cowl. How he looks as Bruce matters too.
113 - 9/3/2013, 1:23 AM
@Ryden Agreed. Frank Miller is way overhyped. He has been for 30 years. Can't stand the dude.

And also agree about the animated series being better than Miller's own work, despite the animated series being based on his work.

Bruce Timm really should be part of making the DCCU a reality. He understood how to let each character shine and not let one overtake the others. He showed Superman the respect he deserves, while also doing Batman justice.
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 1:27 AM
@ryden It's not an obsession with Miller, although I do love and follow all of his work (potentially like an obsessed fan O_o). It's simply that they are basing the bulk of the initial meetup on that GN. Some rumors had floated around intermixing that GN with new 52 and the general mood and setting of MoS - which could be awesome, or possibly very odd.

I completely agree with all the thinking some of you guys have commented - Batman, who should totally be a vigilante monikered "criminal" by the media, be the one that brings the JLA together. More than likely this is the reason for his and Superman's meeting. The government asks him to look into bats, realizes he's not a bad guy, but still tries to control him, or at the very least the condescending, thanks but I don't need you running around fighting crime bit. Pretty much what happens in the GN, where potus asks Sups to do the dirty work. Leading to some nasty encounters...
113 - 9/3/2013, 1:34 AM
@efcamachopmp

That's exactly what I'm afraid of, what you just described. Supes being just some government lacky. Again, this is the blatant disrespect Frank Miller shows the character and that has no place in the DCCU.

Superman should be the one that forms the Justice League, he's its' inspiration and its' leader. Batman is also a leader, alongside with WW, but Superman is the lead.
PenditaMarah - 9/3/2013, 1:36 AM
I agreed most of the point,accept that 'cheesy and new tech" for batman.I guess in tdkr,it is should and must have for a batman to have some kind of things that batman used to shut down the electricity.and batman is a creative person,he creates a lot of unique gadget for his use.

I hope that,the next director batman will mix the nolan and burton style,which is meets a little realistic with some fantasy in it.I'm sure,not only us as a comic book fans,also can attract the general audience.
AvatarIII - 9/3/2013, 1:37 AM
Yeah, I agree with those saying don't emulate Frank Miller,

I say don't Miller-ise the DCCU, Morrison-ise it.
113 - 9/3/2013, 1:42 AM
@Avatar3

Agreed. I'd much rather a Morrisonised DCCU as well. Despite Morrison's extreme weirdness he still gets the characters more than Frank Miller does.
JediPhilosopher - 9/3/2013, 1:42 AM
If Superman were real, there would be serious trouble. A guy named Lysander Spooner knew what I'm referring to. Upon doing a little research, Superman would likely not help any government.
JDUKE25 - 9/3/2013, 1:43 AM
The Arkham world is an obvious template to base the style around. It has comic, fantasy and realistic elements combined.

- Batman needs to be more acrobatic in his fighting style.
- Use gadgets he's created and batarangs in his fighting.
- Use his detective skills more often.
- and have Robin in solo films, and Nightwing later on.

Definitely agree on the vocal coaching, which I'm sure they'll do anyway. Heck, maybe even had a voice modulator for Batman to wear to deepen/disguise his voice.

Suit needs to be black and grey. So tired of the all black look.


And give him lenses. Different types of lenses for him to use. Just another tool to assist him in being a detective.


Joker needs to be more like the Hamill version. But they should still be able to make it there own.
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