Dearest Frank Miller...

I am writing in regards to your recent comments on the Occupy Movement, but first want to express my great gratitude for your legendary contributions to the comic book world. Batman Year One and The Dark Knight Returns are currently the most influential takes on my favorite comics character, and have influenced such tremendous films as Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Sin City stands as arguably the best non-superhero movie in comics history. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Mr. Miller. Now let's get current.

Follow Dane:
By Dane Ingham - 11/14/2011
It's 2011, and your most prolific contribution to comics in recent years was All-Star Batman and Robin. It took you 3 years to get 10 books out, and when they did come out, man I was pleased. The story was insane. Just as insane as your take on Batman in TDKR and TDK2. Fun reads, man. Good times for all.

Except, Mr. Miller, not only did you experience diminished returns in these recent books, which may be what led you to become so angst-ridden, but these are not depictions of Batman. These are examples of you using your well-earned writing credentials from your early work to continue to make a name for yourself by bastardizing others' work and the legacy of popular characters. While TDKR was a milestone in comics, it was still an off-the-wall alternate take on not just Batman, but the entire DCU. Which is what made it great. Though your apparent lack of ability to write anything inside continuity begs the question of whether you can even relate to others in the industry or readers in the real world. Your characterizations are often far-removed from reality, blatantly mouthpieces for your own insane drivel, and by extension, self-involved, and lacking any hint of true human nature. Don't even get me started on Holy Terror. Mainly because it was so awful I couldn't read it. So the fact remains apparent, that your best work is behind you. All-Star Batman and Robin was also fun as hell, but Jesus, man, that ain't Batman. That's the Goddamn Batman, basically an entirely new character. Your attempts at being radical and fresh in order to garner a reputation worked well in your early career, but these days, the more you write, direct, produce, and even say publicly, the more you exhibit how out of touch you are. It was one thing when you were just slowly becoming a dinosaur in the comics industry. But now you've gone and spoken out about the current affairs of our country. Christ, man...take your Centrum and watch Jeopardy and shut up. Your time, not just as a comics writer, but as a positive member of society, is up.

Here are your remarks regarding OWS:

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Everybody’s been too damn polite about this nonsense:

The “Occupy” movement, whether displaying itself on Wall Street or in the streets of Oakland (which has, with unspeakable cowardice, embraced it) is anything but an exercise of our blessed First Amendment. “Occupy” is nothing but a pack of louts, thieves, and rapists, an unruly mob, fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia and putrid false righteousness. These clowns can do nothing but harm America.

“Occupy” is nothing short of a clumsy, poorly-expressed attempt at anarchy, to the extent that the “movement” – HAH! Some “movement”, except if the word “bowel” is attached - is anything more than an ugly fashion statement by a bunch of iPhone, iPad wielding spoiled brats who should stop getting in the way of working people and find jobs for themselves.

This is no popular uprising. This is garbage. And goodness knows they’re spewing their garbage – both politically and physically – every which way they can find.

Wake up, pond scum. America is at war against a ruthless enemy.

Maybe, between bouts of self-pity and all the other tasty tidbits of narcissism you’ve been served up in your sheltered, comfy little worlds, you’ve heard terms like al-Qaeda and Islamicism.

And this enemy of mine — not of yours, apparently - must be getting a dark chuckle, if not an outright horselaugh - out of your vain, childish, self-destructive spectacle.

In the name of decency, go home to your parents, you losers. Go back to your mommas’ basements and play with your Lords Of Warcraft.

Or better yet, enlist for the real thing. Maybe our military could whip some of you into shape.

They might not let you babies keep your iPhones, though. Try to soldier on.
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Here's a quote written by J. Michael Straczynski, written for Captain America: “Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world — "No, you move.”

That quote serves two purposes here. The first purpose is to show you that you don't have to take radical approaches to beloved characters to make them interesting. You simply need to redefine and reinterpret based on the central themes and relevancy of them; the colors are there for you to use if you are talented enough to find them and paint. The second, more direct point, is that no matter what you or anyone say, these people believe what they are doing is right and they have the freedom to express that. You certainly have the right to voice your opinion as well, but at least be responsible enough to be factual. Yes, there have been rapes, and drugs. This, unfortunately, is pure mathematics and human behavior. Enough people in one place, and these things statistically happen in any nearly any given scenario. For every rapist, there are 10,000 hard-working Americans who have had their chance at the American Dream shat upon by rising unemployment, unscrupulous corporations, via sub-prime loans and tax loopholes that ensure their(your) riches while the fortune of most Americans falls. I am not saying socialism or wealth distribution are the answer, but it is obvious when one views facts and statistics that the current system is breaking down. And since you were so baseless and without mercy in your calling out of OWS, it is only fair I return the favor.


Do you only watch Fox News? Do you tune into Rush Limbaugh daily to get your dose of angry tirades devoid of fact and heavy on slander? Is this a last gasp at relevancy? Has your career boom based on character rape and half-ass illustration that somehow got mistaken for true artistry finally seen its days as numbered? Well, kudos. Mr. Miller for realizing that fact. We could have told you that 5 years ago when you failed to follow-up on the success of Sin City(which was successful largely due to Robert Rodriguez's involvement).

I hope that the following excerpt from your Wiki is true, because if so it really appears as if you're trying to alienate the majority of your readers: "Miller is currently working on a new five-issue miniseries, tentatively titled "RoboCop and the Pond Scum". Some reports indicate it may involve the Occupy Movement, and features RoboCop beating the protesters until they are willing to get jobs. When most of them return to the camp, complaining that because of the recession, few jobs are available, RoboCop then beats them again, telling them this time to try their luck at being multi-millionaire comic book writers. He also confiscates all of their iPhones."

Your career was a fluke, forged upon the backs of real talent and iconic stories, with a couple of accidental revelations here and there(300, Sin City), neither of which beyond the surface, are anything more than cock-in-hand macho narratives that appeal to those of us who once in a while enjoy spending money on entertainment with no true emotional or thematic value. Your contributions to popularizing comics in a mainstream format are undeniable, but you could have the decency to do as other flukes before you, like Kurt Cobain did, and die before you become a joke with nothing to offer the world.

Apparently fear-mongering and the omnipresent and unkillable "threat" of terrorism and Islamacism have done what they seem to do to most out-of-touch old folks: Scared the living piss out of you and corrupted your mind to the point at which you can no longer see other, possibly more immediate, threats to our country. Your remarks are those of a man who lives inside his comfort bubble and occasionally casts detached glances down at the very peasants who have spent their hard-earned money to lift you up to your throne.

Does the Occupy Movement need to get its act together in order to accomplish anything? Yes. But it is a young movement that appears to be doing nothing but growing and collecting its popular beliefs and forming directives through a democratic system, which may take some time. Some point to the fact that OWS should be blaming government, not corporations, like the Tea Party. As with anything, the truth lies smack in the middle: Government is owned by corporations and lobbyists. The two sides have much more in common than they realize, just separated into two views. In order for real change to occur, these two seemingly opposing views should be reconciled. That's my take.

From what I can tell based on conversations with fellow comic book fans, articles, comments, box office returns, and critical reception of your work in the last 10 years, I am in the majority of folks who want you to just go away now. We are the The Goddamn 99% of people who don't give a goddamn about you anymore. And if I were to sum up your overinflated ego, and offer proof of its effect on your ability to create anything worthwhile; to further show evidence of your being out of touch with the world , I would simply use two words: "The Spirit". "Bowel Movement" indeed.

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StuckInPanels - 11/14/2011, 10:39 AM
bravo.
Trapdinsteel - 11/14/2011, 10:59 AM
@DaneIngham - Meh, I agree more with Miller than you. I think he was simply using Islamicism and Terror groups as examples of other issues that we should be focused on rather than a group of people who are sitting in the middle of major cities with no REAL focus whatsoever. Sure they have a large list of demands that vary depending on who you talk to and I believe that is Frank Miller's point. This is not an efficient path to change and him among a growing majority do not take these people seriously as they sound like cry baby socialists looking for handouts.

valeriesghost - 11/14/2011, 11:52 AM
Frank Miller can suck my iphone/ipad weilding spoiled balls. Whether we agree or not everyone has the right to stand up for what we believe in. Good commentary Dane Igham
Trapdinsteel - 11/14/2011, 12:27 PM
Valeriesghost - If everyone has the right to stand up for what we believe in, Frank Miller is also standing up for what he believes in. Why is the OWS crowd correct and him automatically wrong?

@HeroKiller - I see your point but what Frank Miller provided was a few paragraph response to this "movement" with his thoughts. To be honest, his point is more direct than the cloud of unfocused ideologies taking place at these occupy sites. He is simply stating that there are other things going on in the world that he thinks are more important than people giving a list of demands seemingly speaking for every other American when we all do not share their views nor their approach to solving a problem. Anyone can sit down on the grass and hold up a sign, it takes real initiative to get things done. To Frank Miller, some of the most important threats are terror groups and islamic extremists, is that really too far fetched? I don't really think so because I see global economic and political unrest in the news on a daily basis. Perhaps we need less people saying what is wrong with our own country and more people saying "this is what we can do to fix it"

I would personally start with congress. They are no longer listening to their constituents and continue to look out for themselves and the lobbyists that fill their pockets while enjoying a nice salary and a lifetime of retirement benefits...THAT is where this occupy crowd should be focused...the part of our government that actually makes policy.
Trapdinsteel - 11/14/2011, 12:50 PM
@HeroKiller - I think Frank Miller makes it clear in his post that OWS is not as important to him as terrorism. Perhaps he sees OWS even as a form of terrorism holding public property hostage with a list of demands, I don't know I'm not Frank Miller. Alghough, if I was someone like him who has reached the point of success and wealth, I would be pissed too if people were trying to take that away from me through some means of higher taxes and re-distribution. We only see those who are at a point of success and status already, we do not know the sacrifices and struggles it took to get there for anyone to judge them. And now that they are there on top of the pile this group of people wants the wealthy to pay MORE than their fair share being taxed at a higher amount...I would be pissed to.

My point was that while I agree with both of their rights to speech and opinion, the OWS approach is not a good one and there is a number of things that they could be doing BETTER to legitimize their cause including directing this march to the door of congress.
Hellsing - 11/14/2011, 12:57 PM
well done
Trapdinsteel - 11/14/2011, 12:58 PM
We all have a system of values based on our situation. Those values can changed along with the rise and fall of our status in society. While the OWS crowd is focused on their own issues like jobs, paying student loans and mortgages because that is THEIR situation, someone like Frank Miller has reached a certain level of wealth where his MAIN worries are people trying to take what he has earned away from him...whether that is terrorists blowing up buildings and attacking our financial institutions or internal citizens wanting to take the money he has earned through higher taxes.

I don't begrudge either of these groups their opinion of what they consider a threat. However, I fully support capitalism and I believe he is more entitled to the money that he has earned rather than they being entitled to things they they have not. If better policy and opportunity is what their goals are again, they are knocking on the wrong door...congress is the first place they should be organizing their efforts.
Trapdinsteel - 11/14/2011, 1:41 PM
HeroKiller - I disagree in justifying tax hikes. Just because someone has more money does not mean anyone else is entitled to take more from them than others if they are paying their fair share with a fair tax rate. Taxing the wealthy business owners is going to increase the cost then price of the products they sell to the consumer again having an ill effect on the economy.

Regarding corporations, I can agree with you that the relationship between them and goverment is toxic and should again be the focus OWS at CONGRESS not wall street.

However, corporations and small business owners also CREATE jobs so attacking them is not going to help either.

You want a productive tax on corporations then tax penalties should be enforced on companies/businesses that employ illegal aliens or ship jobs overseas while tax credits should be given to those who create jobs.

Im also not sure about your Reagan example. It is my understanding that overall in his term while the economy boomed and regulation was decreased, personal debt and homelessness skyrocketed.
Trapdinsteel - 11/14/2011, 1:43 PM
Its all good man, I like these types of conversations on here and appreciate and respect the fact that you can coherantly communicate your points without resorting to name calling and bashing of other users. I also tend to play devils advocate often if I feel one side is being expressed more than another so all in good fun :)
OptimusBurgundyMaximus - 11/14/2011, 2:40 PM
but you could have the decency to do as other flukes before you, like Kurt Cobain did, and die before you become a joke with nothing to offer the world.

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lol nice
ravennpilot - 11/14/2011, 3:12 PM
"but you could have the decency to do as other flukes before you, like Kurt Cobain did, and die before you become a joke with nothing to offer the world."
and frank is the A-hole?

If the OWS movement had any answers that didn't involve government support maybe they would be worth listening to. Instead we hear all kinds of complaints and all the answers seem to involve the government doing more.
ravennpilot - 11/14/2011, 3:56 PM
But what reform. They needed some sort of idea to press a reform. Im in Chicago and I go to school in the loop, or downtown, all I ever heard from the Chi OWS people were, "Where are our bail outs?" and "something something something corporate greed." When I asked people individually all I got was, "the government needs to do this or that."
Also I find it really aggravating that they claim to be the 99% percent. All the people protesting in Chicago made up for less then 1% of Chicago residents.

ravennpilot - 11/14/2011, 4:26 PM

@ TheGODDAMNSUPERGUY

pff... non-partisan. I want blood!
SuperDan89 - 11/14/2011, 5:25 PM
I agree with what Cully Hamner said on Twitter:

"I think Frank Miller saw them filming the giant fight scene for Dark Knight Rises in NY & confused it for #OWS. No wonder he was pissed...!"

XD
valeriesghost - 11/14/2011, 6:17 PM
@trapdinstell I respect Franks opinion, but i'm not going around calling someone a rapist and cowardice for standing up for what they believe in.
Danemesiter - 11/14/2011, 7:12 PM
Another wanna be hip candy ass punk heard from.
So who's this Ingham when he's at home? Oh? A
nobody!
DarthMarenghi - 11/14/2011, 11:20 PM
The sad thing to me is that Miller's comments are as poorly put together as his comics script writing for the last couple of decades. He actually manages to come off as sadly out of touch and a dilettante at the same time. Even if you agree with him (I don't), one would have to admit that his is not the voice you'd want to make your case.

Obviously, he is religiously intolerant and quite possibly insane (rapists? really...), and if it was someone else saying this, I think both sides of the coin would have written him off immediately as an unreasonable loon, who's clearly losing his grip on reality.

Brinksman - 11/15/2011, 12:18 AM
Powerful response to Miller's right-wing rantings and ravings. I love the guy's work, but boy, when he opens that mouth of his he makes Batman look real...
xcrementus - 11/15/2011, 4:18 AM
I'm aethist, but I consider anybody using the word "islamicism" in a derogatory sense to be completely ignorant, I thought Frank was a little more open minded and tolerant than that.
That's like using the word "catholicism" in a bad way. Religion in itself isn't an inherently bad thing, fundamentalist zealots are. And there's plenty of them in your own backyard, Frank. You've probably had some over for BBQs and hung out with them in church.
Frank, if you want real change, then write something with a substantial message. Or shut up.

PS Mark Waid writes a better Daredevil than you haha.
YipCha - 11/15/2011, 4:38 AM
This article made my day!

Great response, thumbs up!
blipmode - 11/15/2011, 9:18 AM
Let's get it in context, this guy writes comics for a living, he is not someone I would look to for an accurate appraisal of what's happening in the "real-world." But, anyone who is still pedalling this kind of crap about "terrorism" is deluded in the extreme.

Sure, if you are a capitalist, who has bought into the free-market economy, as a means of acquiring and amassing wealth, I can see how you might feel threatened by such a "phantom menace," but to dismiss the sentiments of a group of people who perhaps feel aggrieved by the actions of Wall Street (the financial terrorists), particularly since 2008, is a mistake.

They have seen almost exactly the same pattern of behaviour by the financial institutions since they were "bailed out," despite the fact that Western economies are failing and are facing double-dip recessions, mass unemployment, and stagnant wages (BTW they have flat-lined in the US since the mid-70s).

There is a real problem, a serious problem in fact, Western economies are in trouble, and the people who are being hit the hardest are those who can least afford it. In the meantime, CEO salaries continue to rise.

We could ramble on about just how f**cked things are, and it would be no exaggeration, there is a crisis, we are just seeing the beginning of a public response. Amoral and exploitative capitalism is pushing people to the brink.

Governments have pushed things forward since the collapse in the hope that people will eventually forget what happened, unfortunately for them, the crisis is terminal. People will not forget if they have no jobs, can't afford education, can't afford to keep a home, and those who can find jobs, are then working for pittance just to get by.

Miller has feathered his nest, and now feels entitled to spout this drivel, the best response is to stop buying his products, watching his movies, or supporting anything connected with him.

Boycott Frank Miller.
ravennpilot - 11/15/2011, 2:01 PM
Where do people fall on this idea that OWS has many issues but no solutions? If the point of the movement was to cause discussion. Then it worked. If the idea is to fundamentally change government then I think we hit a wall. You then have to pose solutions.
Ghostt - 11/15/2011, 10:49 PM
nice article. had no idea Miller was bitterly standing on the right pissed off at the people who are pissed at Wall Street.
MrReese - 11/16/2011, 6:32 AM
Sometime life seems so unfortunate Thats why I don't give a shit The poor stay poor the rich get richer its just soo misproportinate
golden123 - 11/16/2011, 1:13 PM
@blipmode: The big problem is the masses of people who are part of the movement are doing illegal things (such as trespassing and/or staying on private property), and they're making ridiculous demands (such as free college). They think it's all right because they're mad. Yeah, I get mad too doesn't mean I'm going to quit living and go to some place to make my own rules for a little bit. If they really wanted to help things why don't they get a job. If they really hated those CEO's, whose "salaries continue to rise", then why don't they stop buying their product/service. Why do they half to whine and protest and be lazy? they could try to change things, instead the decide to be part of the crowd (pun intended). Contrary to what you think this crisis isn't terminal. People can get a new job, things can get better, and people can work harder instead of quitting.
DarthGeoffPeterson - 11/16/2011, 2:09 PM
Sorry, but there has been reports of rape & violence. I'll be honest. I don't like Frank Miller, but he is right about these occupy assholes. The latest I've heard were calling to "burn New York to the ground", & let's see what a molotov cocktail can do to Macy's".....REAL classy!
Godzillafart - 11/16/2011, 8:24 PM
Mr. Miller,

Your bullshit political commentary has always been the weakest part of your work...and it has been all over the board.

Slam Reagan

Slam Bush

Slam OWS

Just shut the [frick] up about all that and bring classic detective noir to Batman. 300 was shit.
BellHorneKing - 11/16/2011, 11:29 PM
[frick]ing SNAP!

Extraordinarily well-put, my intelligent, witty, level-headed friend.
BellHorneKing - 11/17/2011, 12:44 AM
Here's a narrated version of Mr. Ingham's response, for the hearing impaired;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNn1Pgy-c2U
rightsaid - 11/17/2011, 1:24 AM
Whenever some creator/artist/musician says something from the left and we don’t like his politics we’re told to “separate the art from the artist,” but when he’s from the right we aren’t supposed to do that? Screw you, and screw your double standard.

Frank Miller has written some of the best comics of the last 30 years, the fact that he has a different opinion that YOU doesn’t invalidate that. Get your panties out of your ass and move on.
Jackwagon - 11/17/2011, 5:57 AM
Can't we all agree to just go ahead and hate each other because we're different? I thought the liberal agenda was to openly accept one another because each and everyone of us is unique? Well guess what douchebags? You've been duped by your own arguement? We're ALL unique just like EVERYONE else, which makes us what? The same! Frank is right. Truth hurts. Your cause is nothing but a lie. You hate labels but are the first to do so. Instead of using your energies to wreak havoc, why not come up with solution? You should just go and call yourselves the intolerant tolerants. To kill capitalism is to kill progress. Do you begrudge the cave dweller that came up with the idea of the wheel? Are you really ready to give up your means of transportation, communication, food and shelter? Because guess what? Somebody is getting rich off that shit! Do you hate them as much as you hate these banks? Just what exactly do you expect to gain by destroying those that have more than you? What then? Lets do some math here. Lets just say for once, society gets together and decides ok, we're gonna start over. We all agree to take all the money we have and put it into one big giant happy pool and redistribute it evenly. Guess what? Some of us are spenders and some of us are savers. Those that spend will eventually run out and the ones that save will become the evil rich. And why do you hate these banks so much when it's the politicians that are the ones that stole the money from the taxpayer (who according to 47% of you, don't pay their fair share) to give to the banks after they forced those banks to give out loans in support of your cause to make sure everyone had a home! Did you really expect these execs to not try to line their pockets? If someone walks out into the middle of a crowd and throws out free money, you're gonna sit there and tell me that you're not gonna grab some? If you give an alcoholic booze, will he not drink it? It's hard to make the argument about big oil if you're driving a car. Besides, it's politicians that are pointing the finger at them and like good sheople, you're blindly following their lead. What this country needs to do is start voting out all encumbents, whether they have one term under their belt or thirty. Keep the rotation going and things will eventually work itself out. My parents busted their asses so I WOULD do better for myself than they did for themselves. They didn't expect me to be a 26 year old dead beat living off their goverment mandated insurance policy.
DarthGeoffPeterson - 11/17/2011, 8:46 AM
@Jackwagon: Bravo, sir! Well said!
DarthGeoffPeterson - 11/17/2011, 8:55 AM
These days ppl think that they are entitled to whatever they want. "That guy has the latest whatever? I want one too!" "Where's my million dollars?", guess what. Most ppl actually work their asses of to get into a position of prosperity. U can't sit on your lazy ass, playing videogames & expect everything to be handed to you. I guarantee you that 90% of these occupiers shouting about "where are the jobs" would turn one down if offered. All the experience I've had with these babies is exactly the same! They don't have the slightest idea who they NEED to be protesting against. Just go after the ppl that have what they don't. I've worked alot of shitty jobs in my life. Did I like it? Hell no! You gotta do what you gotta do to survive, life isn't handed to you on a silver [frick]ing platter.
BellHorneKing - 11/17/2011, 9:51 PM
@DarthGeoffPeterson

The billionaire jet owners are very glad you're working hard...for them.

I have a job, my dear. And every afternoon after work, I make sure to take a detour downtown to go exercise my Civil Right, and denounce corporate/political tyrrany that marganilizes my hard work.

Don't be the chicken who wants to stick up for Colonel Sanders.
BellHorneKing - 11/18/2011, 1:50 AM
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marvelguy - 11/21/2011, 11:18 PM
I'm late reading this, here goes: If you think his work is irrelevant: don't buy it, don't listen to him. Whether you're in agreement with him or not, he is just another celebrity voicing his opinion. He is just someone commenting on a current situation and not an authority on the matters of which he speaks.
I am sad that you attacked his work with the same vitriol you attacked his comments. Again, don't like his stuff, don't buy his stuff.
He is no more the authority on anything political or otherwise than Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin, or Bruce Springsteen.

That said, the movement has outlasted its impact and point. It has degenerated in to a gathering of the homeless and criminal behavior (I am not equating the two). These people are protesting on the subways and in the streets wherein hardworking people are working and attempting to get to work. The entitlement mentality in this country is out of control. It is one of the reasons the country spirals deeper and deeper in to debt.

You guys have given Miller far more press than the mainstream by attacking what he said. I'm not insulting you--I am merely saying your Frank Miller vote is cast by overlooking his work.

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